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The weather in Huatulco is perfect this time of year; the food on the Oaxacan Pacific is fantastic; the area is incredibly safe; the people are open, warm, and friendly. And the forums are back so we can keep talking about it all.

ultraman is here where is everyone else??

I moved to a new server. I have the old comments in a big text file but I got errors when I tried to restore them. [%sig%]

I will be driving up in the mountains to oaxaca city this trip while visiting huatulco. how cold does it get at night up there say a 8000 ft. and what kind of clothing needed. should i pack a parka and long underwear???

There are also two new forums, Oaxaca (City) and La Manzanilla, Jalisco. Additionally, there are some new features. You can log on and create a user profile. This allows you to reedit your own posts, create a personal signature, and to change the menu language. Right now the default language is Spanglish. Expect some bugs with these new features. [%sig%] Post Edited (01-18-03 04:39)

Cold enough for a heavy coat. I wouldn't bother with the long underwear. We missed a loud fireworks display in San José del Pacifico in March because we didn't have anything warm enough to wear outside. [%sig%]

Stress: at night. Daytime is quite warm, even at San José del Pacifico. But at night, you're glad that there's a fireplace. Oaxaca City is not nearly so high nor so cool. But away from the beaches, best to respect local sensibilities: skirts for women, trousers for men.

vic, im ok with the jameson 1780 , the tullamore jug and tryconnel is back ordered since christmas. ill try another sorce if i can find one if not ill just surprise you but jameson for sure

Tom - please continue to try to restore the "old" > Just wanted to put some comments in here until the old are restored. Hualtulco is a great place with gorgeous bays. Up or down.. the coast is Puerto Angel, a relaxing little village. Further up the coast is Zipolite, San Agustinillo and Mazunte, all great places to stay and bask in the sun. The tortuga museum is in Mazunte (sea turtles) and Ventanilla (up the coast) has a river coming into the sea with some BIG crocodiles. There is a big, beautiful ocean out there full of fantastic creatures. It's 2° up here in Wisconsin and time for me to leave. Save me a bowl of that fantastic tortilla soup, guys!

ive been to the bahamas a couple times and they serve green turtle soup and turtle steak in some of the restuarants still. is there anywhere in the huatulco area that serves this fantastic food?

Why is there an echo now on this page?...hellooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! Come to Huatulco, it's a great place......great place....great place.....great place. Come on Frank, John, lets have an argument see if we can't fill this new baby up. For the remainder of January, and all of February, "Rent a Row Inc" are giving away arguments FREE....so, what's ya got?? I'll even start the ball rolling...President Bush is an > I am on my way Sunday. I think my plane is full. Air transat charters starting now as well as skyservice. Some good last minute deals and very cold weather should help the next few months. I will be shure to drop in so save some cold ones for me. Greg from Buffalo

I'm on my way too! We're arriving tomorrow night for a week! Can't wait to leave this brutal Chicago weather, even it is only for a week! maura

I posted this on the Puerto Escondido board and since some of it takes place in Huatulco I will post it here as well. It has been a while since I have had a chance to spew forth as I had been in Puerto Escondido for a month. It was a hard trip down and I will share it with you now. We made it down to Puerto Escondido but it was not easy. When we left SF there was a huge storm and we were do to take off at around midnight . Well, we got to the airport and they told us that we could not take the dog. As you can guess that was not an option. My wife made a big scene and after about 20 minutes they relented. They told us the dog could not go because there was not enough room even though we had less stuff than everybody else. You can imagine how that went over with us. Then they told us the flight was delayed for an hour. We got on the plane and sat there for 5 yes 5 hours. The storm got worse so they could not take off. 80 mph winds over the Golden Gate Bridge. So we sat and sat. My 7 year old fell asleep but we could only dose a little. The plane was rocking and bouncing and we were just sitting there. At 6 am the plane started to move but the weather did not seem any different at all. I think the pilots just got tired of waiting. We took off and it was the worse 45 minutes in a plane I have ever experienced. But we made it out of the storm. We were suppose to stop in Guadalajara for a minute to let some people off but when we got there we ended up changing planes and waited for 2 hours. Connection to Puerto Escondido missed for sure but they told us there would be another plane to Puerto even though there is only one flight a day to Puerto. Also remember that the dog was on the plane or somewhere. We finally got on the plane to Mexico city but as they were loading the baggage we saw them drive away with the Dog. "Hey that's our dog". They told us that he could not fly on that plane because the cargo hold was not pressurized. He will be on the next plane out and we will make our connection to Puerto. WRONG. We get to Mex city and there is no other flight to Puerto but there is a flight to Huatulco but where is the Dog? We don't know, they don't know and Guadalajara is not sure. Of course we will not go without him. They find out he is coming sometime soon. Meanwhile where are we going to sleep? At first they told us they would not put us up in a hotel because the storm was not their fault. After I explained that they should not have sent us 6 hours late if they knew we were not going to make our connection they seemed to understand. Cool. But we cannot fly to Puerto anyway because the plane that goes there does not have a pressurized cargo etc. (we found out later that was not true but who are we to argue at that point) Huatulco it was. Meanwhile where is our little boy's Dog. "Oh yea". He will be here. In the baggage area. Well 2 hours later with all the baggage personnel looking and running around and calling all over the world, they tell us he is here. He finally shows up. And he didn't seem to care one bit. He even seemed to enjoy the whole thing. I think he wanted to tell us about his trip to Guadalajara and the plane rides etc. He is definitely a stress free dog. So they gave us a hotel and 3 meals for each of us. Not the Dog though. We gave him our leftovers from the buffet. He ate more than us, needless to say. Ok, so we get to the airport and the lady asks us how we are going to get from Huatulco to Puerto. I had not thought to ask the previous day and told her so. At that time I was more concerned with getting a free hotel room. She took our tickets and left for about 15 minutes and came back with a voucher for a ride to Puerto. Worth about $120 US. if the fare is not negotiated down and the airline is paying for it. I saw the receipt. Cool. We get to Huatulco and guess what. The dog does not get off the plane. What? We saw him get loaded so this plane is not going anywhere until that Dog is with us. So they open it back up and sure enough they did not see him the first time. His box is only about the size of a Volkswagen. They thought it was funny. We didn't. And that is the story of the worse plane trip we have ever been on. Oh by the way we had a wonderful time in Puerto .....and so did the Dog. I will write about that later with a chapter about the plane ride home.

Gotta be some kinda animal, that dog. Golden Retriever? English Setter? Other mellow breed? Any pictures of dog in surf? Inquiring minds...

Victor, sounds like the Huatulco pricing dance. Say traffic in a restaurant on the zolcalo is down 30%. Elsewhere, in the more commercially savy world, the owners would do promotions, sales, and price reductions to bring in more traffic. In Huatulco, they raise the prices by 30% and act surprised when even FEWER people walk in the door! Ah, "zero-sum-game" thinking in action... And it's President - SELECT Bush, Vic. He still hasn't won an election for any office higher than Governor of Texas.

Solid Gold Urinal. Before the inauguration, George Bush was invited to a get-acquainted tour of the White House. After drinking several glasses of iced tea, he asked permission to use Bill Clinton's bathroom. Of course, Bill said "OK". Well, when George walked in, he was astonished to see that the President had a solid gold urinal. That afternoon, George told his wife, Laura, about the urinal. "Just think", he said, "when I'm president, I'll get to have my very own gold urinal." Later when Laura had lunch with Hillary at her tour on the White House, she told her how impressed George had been with his discovery of the President's gold urinal in his private bathroom. That evening, as Bill and Hillary were getting ready for bed, she turned to Bill and said, "Well, I found out who peed in your saxaphone."

A few days after Christmas, A mother was working in the kitchen listening to her son playing with his new electric train set in the living room. She heard the train stop and her son said "All of you sons of bitches who want to get off, get the hell off now, because this is the last stop. And all of you sons of bitches that are getting on, get your asses in the train cause were leaving". The mother went in and told her son, "Young man! We don't use that kind of language in this house. Now I want you to go into your room for two hours. When you come out, you can play with your train again, but I better hear you using nice language."

Two hours later, the son comes out of his bedroom and resumes playing with his train. Soon the train stopped and the mother heard the son say, "All passengers who are disembarking the train, please remember to take all of your belongings with you. We thank you for riding with us today and hope your ride was a pleasant one. We hope you will ride with us again soon. For those of you who are just boarding the train, we ask that you stow all of your hand luggage under the seat, and remember, there is no smoking except on the club car. We hope you have a pleasant and relaxing journey with us today". "For those of you who are pissed off with the two hour delay, please see the big ass bitch in the kitchen."

Thank you to those that posted great advice for the Palenque trip. Would it be too much to ask you to re-send it. Ultra Man I think we will leave the ski masks at home. We arrive for a week in Oaxaca, next Saturday, then a month in Huatulco then hopefully some time in Palenque before heading back up to Oaxaca. Hope to meet some of you then. We believe we have the best recipe for margaritas, and would be willing share. Sandra

Victor (and other business owners), the Nomads Travel Club is heading down to Huatulco from Detroit on 1/25. We're known to spend a few bucks so we should give the local economy a boost for a week. What golf course(s) are near the Gala Resort? What are greens fees? Do they rent clubs? Any other information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Victor - Do you serve Smithwick's at your place? My wife and I were in Ireland in August and enjoyed drinking several pints of "Smiddick's" (I learned quickly that the "w" is silent and the "th" is pronounced like a double d). Hope you have it because we cannot get it in the States (although it is available in Canada and WIndsor is close).

yea the weathers cold in chicago but , but im making lots of money up here to bring with me to help the local economy down there, just get lots of that hornitos COLD for me.

Black Lab/Puerto Beach Dog mix. Very rare. He is the one that won the lottery when we bought him from some kids on the beach. We were winners also. PB

anybody in town on valentines day, lets all meet at vic's bar for an ultra party!! vic you round up all the single senoritas and ill get the roses and bring the video of the st valentines day massacre.,,,,, we will have a grand ol time

ill be in town for all of febuary and part of march, see you then im sure. bring used toys and used clothes for the poor village kids,,they need our help.

I agree - GW is an > Does it make any sense to bring laptop to Zaashila for communicating with home (family and a LITTLE work). It would be nice to email our kids everyday...anyone know what connection charge at the hotel is? We leave tomorrow and don't want to lug something we can't afford to use. Thanks.

To email you need a connection and a server. The cheapest place to get the two is in any of the internet cafes all over La Crucecita. Unless you have files and programs you can't live without, dragging the laptop along would be yet another unnecessary thing to tote and worry about getting stolen.

My advice was to go to Bar La Crema, tell the owner (Lalo) that you're going; ask directions to his brother Mario's place; and see if he knows any current news about the area.

One golf course: the Fonatur course which starts up in the selva and finishes up on the beach by the Barcelo. A beautiful course with almost no traffic. Last figures quated were $63usd for green fee and a shared cart. The rental clubs suck. Have fun!

I love it; they say the journey is often the best (interesting) part of the trip. I want to hear more. Linda

The Tongolunda course is located about a 10 minute cab ride from the hotel. Yes they do have rentals but I'm not sure of the cost or quality these days. They have carts or caddies. The course is not all that busy usually, but you'll definitely want to play in the morning. The course is different. On a short par 3 (129yds) you shoot over a tree that guards the green in front. It was in pretty good shape last year at this time. Any specific questions let me know. My wife and I get down their to the Gala late Saturday night on the 25th. This is our 4th time back and the last 2 times I brought my own clubs. Were out of Chicago and we'll robably see you down there sometime during the week. Barry [%sig%]

Here is what I found in the backup files about Palenque: INSERT INTO huatulco_bodies VALUES (2328, 'Gary,\n as to driving to huatulco from merida, may i suggest the route through palenque, san cristobal, tuxtla, then on through salina cruz to huatulco... a much more memorable route than through villahermosa and down the isthmus...\n\n lee dorsey', 2235);

INSERT INTO huatulco_bodies VALUES (7938, 'We read about a Mayan archeological site at Palenque. I understand they have a paved airfield but don\'t know much else. This may be a great side trip for a day or 2? Any information about the sites, ground transport, crowds etc..... is appreciated.\n\nThank You\n\nMike Knight', 0); INSERT INTO huatulco_bodies VALUES (7940, 'Palenque has been a top Mayan site for decades. The architecture is unlike any other Mayan site; the tower building is an icon in most books on Pre-Colombian edifices. You should probably attach a full travel day in each direction as well as a day to explore the sites. You can go by bus, rent a car, even hire a taxi and driver (in ascending order of expense!) There\'s no commercial air service. You might stop by Bar La Crema; Lalo\'s brother has a restaurant/bar in the area and Lalo is knowledgable about the facilities.\n\nThere are Zapoteca ruins a lot closer. There are some ruins near Puerto Escondido in the early stages of exploration; apparently, Gina the Information Goddess in Puerto Escondido (see Main Menu) is offering walking tours. Some VERY small groups leave Zipolite twice weekly for two day camping expeditions, but you would likely find the experience a bit...intense. Gina\'s tour would be a lot more...conventional(?)\n\nYou might catch glimpses of a small Zapoteca or Mixteca sight during the horseback ride at Playa Conejos; ask the guides.\n\nAnd this is not to mention the Oaxaca City area. Monte Alban may be the most spectacular of all Pre-Colombian sites. Tagul and Mitla are a little less spectacular.\n\nPossibilities are endless.', 7938); INSERT INTO huatulco_bodies VALUES (7941, 'right on josh,, tell them the truth maybe they go there for 3 hours and buy 1 beer with no tip and then expect first class service. if they dont like papaya they can go to cancun and spend twice as much.. papaya will be the place to be and be seen new years!!!', 7765); INSERT INTO huatulco_bodies VALUES (8571, 'Talk to Lalo at Bar La Crema. His brother has a restaurant/bar/etc near Palenque and he can probably give you immediate advice.', 8565); [%sig%]

dont feel to bad bill, i came down new years week and only had a ticket to mexico city but mexicana told me when i called info in chicago there was a 4pm flight out from mexico city to huatulco so i could most likley buy a ticket on my arrival or go standby.when i got to mexico city after 2 connections and what was left of a going away party hangover from the night before. there was no plane at 4pm. i wound up having to go to tapo bus station wait 2hrs where i tried to sleep a little on the floor and then take a 14 hr bus ride into huatulco on an exejutivo bus that wasnt exejutivo at all if you ask me. i was a zombie on arrival at 8 the next morning on arrival. no sleep for 2 days and a 27hr trip. so dont feel to bad it could of been worse.

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You are right frank. After all was said and done it was just another experience to add to my Mexico collection. Also I have to say that as bad as it was, Mexicana did a good job of trying to make us happy. The icing on the cake was the free voucher for the Suburban from Huatulco to Puerto without even asking. PB

Can you change the date? The time is getting closer. Oh and thanks for all your hard work Tom. PB

what language is spanglish? it that slang spanish ?

I know this has been covered before, and if I were brilliant, I would have saved it, but alas, I am not... haha Can I change Canadian money in Huatulco, and if so, where? Is the exchange rate going to make me cringe? Hubby told me tonight he wants to bring Canadian money, said they accepted it in Puerto Vallarta, Merida, even Progresso, they will in Huatulco too! They will, won't they? haha Thanks, Kathy

you must be kidding thats like asking for jack daniels in somalia

yes

make sure you get the official tangalunda golf balls with the tangalunda official seal on them . dont know how they play but they look great.

Just got back from Huatulco stayed at the Barcelo the golf course is in great condition played it 3 times. prices are $635 pesos for 18 holes and a cart was $325 pesos for 2 persons. Barcelo gave us coupons for 30% off so for my wife and I it was $1207 pesos for the two of us or about $60.00 US each. We took our own clubs so can't tell you about rentals.It cost us $20 pesos for the cab ride there, which seems wherever you go in Huatulco it cost $20 pesos or $2.00 US. Also if your looking to exchange money or use an ATM the Banamex in Santa Cruz has the best rates and are very friendly towards us tourist.

Yes, but it is against the law here to have or eat them. Sea turtles are protected. But the meat and eggs are part of this areas culture. Beware.

Hi Kathy my wife and I just got back from Huatulco and yes you can exchange Canadian money very easliy there in fact if you go to the Banamex in Santa Cruz the are very friendly and when we where there Jan. 13 2003 they where giving $6.44 pesos to $1.00 Canadian dollar. Also if your interested they have an ATM at the Banamex which I used a couple of times and when I got home I checked my bank account to see what they charged me and was surprised to find that for $1,000.00 pesos it cost me $152.49 Canadian which is about $6.5 pesos for every dollar, so if I was going there now I would likely take some cash but would use my bank card for the most part.

I just opened a new Bed and Breakfast in Chahue. Huatulco B&B is a six bedroom, 8-bathroom home on a nice neighborhood street in La Crucecita/Chahue area. There are three bedrooms available at this time. Each bedroom has its own Private Bath, Zoned Air-Conditioning, Satellite Cable Color TV w/VCR's, King or Queen beds, fountains, hair driers and more. Common and dining areas are with AC and beautifully furnished too. Quiet, Affordable $65USD, All New. I am working on my Web Site at this time, more to follow.

Hi...Was on your site a couple of nights ago and realy enjoyed it...it crashed (bummer) Glad to see you back up and running. I have a silly question...we are heading down for a stay at Gala (Jan.25 - Feb 1) and I was looking forward to a "curling iron free" vacation and was wondering if I can get my hair braided on the beach or somewhere. I know, stupid question but...hey it's a girl thing!! If anyone knows this info I'd appreciate a holler back. See ya in a week!

hey curt,,, place is about done i hear, will check it out on my arrival. bet it looks great. hows the electric working??? maybe we can cook up a nice turtle steak on the old barbaque??

there are plenty ladys on the beach, in fact probably to many compeating for hairbraiding. they will also braid under your arms if interested too

Hey me again....was wondering if there are any boat trips that take you to all the bays and not just 1 or 2 with snorkeling. I'd like to see them all...after visiting Cancun the > The ATM's at the banks (note that qualifier) pay the Interbank rate computed on the day it clears your financial institution back home. This is a better rate than you will get on currency. Especially avoid changing your money at the hotel; you may only get five pesos per $CA. Don't try Candian currency at the shops.

Instead of taking a cattle boat, negotiate for a panga particular just for your party. Then it goes where you want, when you want. To cut costs, you can probably find another couple at the hotel to share with you. Catch Adrian or Valentino on Tangolunda and you can roll up fishing and snorkeling as part of the package!

The locals really push the 7 Bay tour (aka the Booze Cruise) That's an all day trip with 2 stops, and its OK, kind of fun really. But, it is also crowded, and you end up snorkelling with a large group of people. They discourage you from going off on your own and try to insist you wear a life vest. Also, they do the tour pretty much completely in Spanish, (since the majority of the passengers tend to be Mexican). If you don't speak a lot of Spanish, you'll miss most of what they are pointing out. Still, its not a bad way to spend a day, and the price is usually really reasonable. It seems like everyone in town sells tickets, and they are willing to negotiate the price. (They might also tell you you're going on a 20 person boat with an open bar and interpreter- don't believe everything you hear!) But, if you are willing to spend a little bit more, its pretty easy to hire a panga for a day to take you pretty much wherever you want to go, at your own pace without a big group of people. We're going to do that this year. Have fun!

I don't know about the arm pit hair, but there are plenty of girls to braid your hair on the beach. Any of the larger beaches- Tangolunda, Maguey, La Entrega, among others. They'll charge about $15.00 or $20.00, and they do a pretty good job. These girls work hard and by US standards, that's a bargain, so I never even try to negotiate the price. Remember the sunscreen, though! That newly exposed scalp can burn pretty fast!

Hey me again....was wondering if there are any boat trips that take you to all the bays and not just 1 or 2 with snorkeling. I'd like to see them all...after visiting Cancun the > Author • Autor: Kellie C (---.as0.prsd.wi.voyager.net) Date • Fecha: 01-18-03 08:31 Hi...Was on your site a couple of nights ago and realy enjoyed it...it crashed (bummer) Glad to see you back up and running. I have a silly question...we are heading down for a stay at Gala (Jan.25 - Feb 1) and I was looking forward to a "curling iron free" vacation and was wondering if I can get my hair braided on the beach or somewhere. I know, stupid question but...hey it's a girl thing!! If anyone knows this info I'd appreciate a holler back. See ya in a week!

Thanks John, knew about the server and connection..just wasn't sure what the cost would be to make it from the hotel.

Sounds like the "donkeys" are still kicking about the election! No Al "Bore" and Joey is the best thing you could hope for.See, the difference between a democrat and a republican is a follows: A republican and a democrat see a homeless person and the republican hands him $20.00 to help him out. The democrat thinks this was very nice and when he sees a homeless person, he takes $20.00 from the republican, keeps $15.00 for the administrative and fees, and gives the homeless person $5.00. Think about it and he-haw.

I'm wondering about getting mine through customs...is it a problem? Holly

We're staying at the Gala and wondering about the trip from the airport. How long of a ride is it? I know we take a bus, but wondering the time for the trip. Holly

Hi Kellie, We are also heading to the Gala that week and my only piece of advice for hair braiding is, bring a hat to cover the scalp that will be exposed, as it burns VERY badly within a day! Also, an option to full hair braids is just do the first few front ones, to keep hair off the face, and leave the rest long, hair braids can be awful trying to take them out at home, and many a person has lost a ton of hair during removal, never mind the breakage! Cheers and see you on the beach!

about 20 minutes 14 kilometers roughly

Sam - two bucks each way for the cab ride from Tangolunda - but you'd be spending it anyway to get away from the resort to eat a decent meal. If you're AI, you will learn why I say that. And the internet time will be even cheaper than the taxi.

Naw, Randy, that's only Republicans out of the leadership loop. The top elephants know that the poor person is poor because (s)he has a poor work ethic; the poor person shouldn't get money because (s)he isn't paying his/her share of taxes; and that there has to be some way to block him/her from voting or at least having his/her vote counted because it may be too hard to use smoke and mirrors to hide the economy from them as they are under the wheels of the economy. And since the children of the poor are more likely to be cannon fodder in wars of distraction, they might not wave their flags hard enough. (Lessee, 15 of 19 hijackers are from WHAT country? Financing of the hijacks came from WHERE? Bin Laden is a native of WHAT country? WHO set up the radical fundimentalist schools? And we are attacking a DIFFERENT country and why?)

Thank you for the responses... counting down the days to get out of this deep freeze we are in!!

Christo, looking forward to seeing you and your club, for God's sake get down here and spend freely:) There re goodbars in the town, more notably La Crema and the night clubs, Café Dublin has what I guarantee to be the coldest beer and best hamburger in town, it's an oasis of English speaking, U.S./Bristish etc music playing, normal hamburger serving amongst the touristy stuff. By all means do the tourist routine, what I find is a lot of Americans/Canadians/Brits though after a few days of eating local cuisine enjoy coming for a colder beer and a hamburger thicker than the wafer thin variety served around here. I've just had an > Frank, the place is too comfortable!! Alejandra and I were invited over for a turkey dinner last week, and about 3 minutes after sitting in what has to be the most comfortable sofa I'd sat in for about 16 months we both were fast asleep, much to Curt's annoyance as I'm sure as you know him as well as I he was looking forward to a good chat. This may partly be due to Alex and I working flat out until 5AM in the bar a few nights over the high period, but beleive me Curt's living room is very, very comfortable. Vic.

Christo, you can't even get Budweiser in Huatulco!! I don't know about Mexico City, or the other major cities in Mexico, but you just do not see foreign beers in Huatulco. Every now and again I see Heineken in the local supermarket, but that's it. Smithwicks, (I'm glad you got the pronounciation correct, I found in The States a lot of people said Smith Wicks, but I can almost be certain from your "double d" comment that you spent a lot of time in Dublin City drinking Smithwicks, yes, no??), anyway, Smithwicks is a Guinness product and Guinness do not distribute in Mexico, nothing! When I opened the bar I contacted Guinness in Dublin and offered to become the distributor for Mexico, they turned the offer down citing legal and technical difficulties. This is why I've been on this board day and night for the past few months pleading with good people from U.S.A. to bring me a few cans if they have the room in their luggage. Luckily, and thanks to the generosity of many good citizens too many to mention, I've got a small stock of Guinness at the bar, regularly I'll be working behind the bar and someone will come in asking for Victor, then hand me a few cans, this is really nice, I can't thank these people enough and it kinda reaffirms one's faith in human nature. This situation may change in the near future as I've made contact with a potential distributor, he informed me that Pres' Fox was recently in Ireland and while there signed a free trade agreement with the Irish. This guy has a ton of Guinness sitting at the border waiting for paperwork to be completed, if it all comes together I'm hoping to become the Guinness rep' for the state of Oaxaca...watch this space. Vic.

Frank, I'll get the señoritas, you bring the whiskey and roses, I'll try to find also a video of "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre", lets really get these ladies in a romantic mood! Vic.

Come on by Frank, it is ready and you know a good dinner party is always a favorite of mine. A filet with bearonaise or Chicago style BBQ ribs is more the order. Be kind to the turtles Frank life is rough enough out there for them without dragging them to a Barby Party as the guest of entre. See you soon. Imelda and Curt.

I think Spanglish means an informal language composed of a mixture of Spanish and English vocabulary. What I mean by Spanglish is slightly different; I am adding Spanish translations next to the English words. I am doing this to make the forums easier to use for those for which Spanish is the primary language and also to help expose unilingual people to a second language. If you log in you can change the menus to pure English or Spanish. About the Date: I have semi-corrected the date/time but am waiting for an additional correction to the server clock that should make the time appear correctly in Central Standard Time (Mexico/Texas time). Is there a demand to make the time zone user-selectable? [%sig%] Post Edited (01-21-03 01:31)

There have been other Presidents elected via the electoral college system that went against the popular vote. Kennedy was one. No complaints when whats wrong with the system works for your behalf or wish list. Anyone that pulls a single party lever has personal interests that are more important than OUR nations needs. A third or forth real party at this point would help the US and the other two dangerous partys much more then just more of what we currently have to pick our noses from. The end goal of both Ds & Rs at this point is to control, control, control not only the tax pool but there life time jobs of being "professional" polititions. War has been declaired on the USA, the first attack took 4000 men women and children- no soldiers, there is more to come here and elsewhere. The solution will probably expand before it is limited or shrinks. These are real sad times. It is a time to unite and support, this aint no Vietnam over again. Pray for peace and may God protect the inocent. The cost of the world moving forward has always been dear and will continue as such until people the world over are with a higher level of education. The key is knowlege and power OF the people. Wew! I need a Corona.

We are not AI and are leaving for the airport in an hour..can't wait!

Well said Curt....and when people realize the gov.has a revolving door of circulating the politicians (like NFL coaches), passing their own raises, not paying social security, receiving 80% of their salary when they retire ( by the way, the spouse gets it too if he dies) who would not want to "say or do anything" to get elected....and you wonder why so many are corrupt? As far as helping, 2 to 3 months salary on most peoples part in taxes should go along way in helping the needy....that is the true needy. Did we not break away from the British because of taxes? Oh yea, we supposedly now have representation.

My husband and I are thinking about taking a vacation to Huatulco the first week of March and I had a few questions, well a lot of questions. I've been looking at the Gala Resort - do they have snorkling right off the beach, which room section is the best, what is the food like and what is the night life like. One other thing can you rent scooters and is it safe to take them out to the little towns that are around. I think that's all right now, I'm sure I will have more questions to follow. Thanks for all the help. [%sig%]

i got that video vic one of my most romantic

let end term limits so bush can be president for 16 years

Since I wrote my question on the night the system went down I will ask again. Does anyone have any suggestions of side trips along the east coast from Tangolunda? We will be returning to the Gala for the third time and have done most of the excursions and side trips up the west coast as far as Puerto Escondido but it seems like civilization ends at Playa Conejos. What if anything is there to see to the east?

God help us if 16 years of Bush were a good thing. Sorry to all you Bush lovers out there. The guy's chomping at the bit to go to war. It's wrong. ] And it's sooooo damned cooooold here!!!!! Hey, I'm from Massachusetts and damned proud of it; opposed to the impending war; single mother of a senior high Army reservist (1/2 Salvadoran 1/2 totally gringo - by product of another US sponsored blood bath in Central America) but the boy loves his family and his country.... His 18-year old friends with whom he trained last summer in Ft. Leonord Wood are now in Kuwait, IRAQ and Afganistan. The boot camps all over the country have been stockpiling their bullets and using blanks instead of live ammunition during basic training. Kids are being pulled out of college to go overseas. It's going to be a chemical ground war (my son -- a "Chemical operations specialist" I know this as facts. It's twices as big as the Gulf War. I'm scared for all of us. Saddam has to go but do we have to blow up the whole world in the process? How are you all doing in other parts of the country? Don't ya'll wish we were sitting somewhere warm and sunny in Huatulco? I read this bulletin as a form of escapism since I don't have the bucks to go at will. John, one positive thing about being poor, when times are tough the fall isn't so far. Sherry

tell my dad ww2 was wrong and my grandfather ww1 was wrong. people just and got the guts and stamina to fight for freedom anymore. why dont you flower children update your passports and leave and dont come back EVER!

are there any pygmie tribes in the jungles of southern mexico and if so are they friendly?

no, there is no snorkling at all in tangalunda bay unless maybe your a pro diver looking for lobsters in the rocks... it gets to deep to fast and is wavey with undertow sometimes...you need to take a bay tour with the boat guides right on the beach at the gala, the will take you snorking at a small coral reef a few bays down... the vip rooms with ocean view are best and most costly..the food is excellant. i was there this last new years and the buffet was a winner. the fish is some of the best ive ever had and ive had alot alot of places... night life is fair....huatulco is not about nightlife its about daylife...yes you can rent scooters across from gala or barcelo. ask for roger the canadian,, tell him chicago frank sent ya...and you can just about go anywhere you desire on them... huatulco is very safe almost anywhere you go... ... huatulco is the best!

What is the taxi fare from the airport to Tangalunda bay ?

if you go by private suburban truck about 360-400 pesos per truck for all in your party,,, if you go collectivo suburban which means all the people they can squeeze in around 70 pesos each . if transfers are included with air nothing of coarse.

Hey Kathy.... Maybe we should try to hook up...I can't wait to get out of this 3 degree weather!!!! We have been to Mexico a few times and every time I have had my hair braided and it is a wonderful way to go...the only way! Yes I know about the sunburn it happened the first time and I vowed it will never happen again....where do you live? We live in Wisconsin and it is cold! Again, I can't wait for some HOT weather...see ya on the beach! K.

Hmmmm. If you take a kayak from the beach, there's some excellent snorkeling out by La Montosa most of the time. That's the big rock at the mouth of the bay, to your left looking from the beach. On very rare occasions, the snorkeling can be ok by La Tortuga, the smaller rock just offshore from the Barcelo. La Montosa is a neat place, really. There's several small beaches and usually it's quite private. There's also some decent snorkeling over by the Las Brisas property if you can get access, Otherwisw, I concur with Frank. Get a boat.

Hey, ultra, maybe if some politician told the truth...naw, Jimmy Carter tried that and the truth didn't work either. I do feel the Constitution is far more imprtant than the Bush/Ashcroft agenda. I just hope that hallowed document survives their abuse of it. And typically real veterans are a lot more hesitant about this war than the "chicken-hawks" running the show.

Anyone flying on AIr Transat on Thursday Jan 30th and going to the Barcelo? We are really looking forward to the warm weather, friendly people, and many Coronas. ANy last minute tips from board members? We need a recommendation for a really nice beach front restaurant in Santa Cruz. Thanks

My curling iron is packed and I'm ready to go Hate the sleet, the cold and snow Don't like flying - makes me afraid Love my hair in curls or braids

Hey me again....was wondering if there are any hair salons close to the Gala that I could visit every day? I can pass on the deserted beach, the tropical breezes, and the culture, but I need a good shampoo and blow dry every day, or this vacation will be a disaster. Thanks!!

No pygmy tribes....although a few of us have ran across a handful of tricky bribes!

I'm shaking with excitement Ultra Man!

no nothing close to gala but theres a great transvestite in town that is great with hair

ve el mar,,,santa cruz beach

ultra man wrote: > no nothing close to gala but theres a transvestite in > town that is great with hair

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Hi Kelly... I will look for the only person with braided hair that DOESN'T have a sunburned scalp... haha See you in Paradise, flying out of Montreal on the 24th, starting vacation on the 23rd tho...soon as we get rid of the kids! haha

Sam, we would like to know if you have a 4 pin debit card, or a six pin one. We have a six pin RBC card and have heard that it might not give us access. We have used it in other parts of Mexico, and find it a great way to travel. Thanks for any info you can share. Sandra

Hi! I have a question regarding Mexican pesos. Since I'm going in Huatulco next friday, my step father, who had made several trips to Mexico, has gave me lots of Mexican coins that are from late 1970's to the early 1980's. Now I know that the money changed in 1994, but I do not know if those coins are valuable today. I went in places that change money here, but they just wont give me any information. I have some that says 20$, 50$, diez pesos, un peso, 5$ (with the quetzalcoatl god on it). So, should I bring them or not?? And if they are valuable, is it still 10 Pesos = 1 USA Dollars?? tanx so much stef, who just can wait till friday!!!

they are worthless, i find even 500 peso coins in the sand with my metal detector and are told they are worthless except to a collector of old coins

Hey Vic, What hours is the open the bar? Staying at the Gala 1st week in Feb. and by the rave reviews Chicago Frank gives the Gala about the food, sounds like its going to be hard to leave and go into town for some chow. Still going to come to the bar for some "Big Assed Shrimp???" Do you need Guinnes or Dew? Would also like to try the candle lit table right on the beach at the Ve El Mar in Santa Cruz. Heard they have great shrimp and lobster. Who knows, a guy just might get lucky with that kind of thing. Hope to see ya in a couple of weeks. Tom Nafziger 2 1/2 hours south of Chicago Frank in Bloomington, IL And Damn is it cold today.......

Has anyone stayed at the new Las Brisas Huatulco? It used to be a Club Med. My wife and I spent many January one week vacations at this Club Med and loved it!! Wonder how the place is now?

Tom, usually I open from 6PM until the last person leaves, which can be anything from 1AM until 6AM. Please let me know in advance if you want the shrimp, and how many, as they're really expensive for me to buy and I'll only get them in if I know for sure they'll sell. I can always use a few cans of Guinness :) Victor Ginesi 5 1/2 days south of Chicago Frank in Huatulco, Oax And Damn it is apathetic here today.

Ted and Sandra: I also had a 6 digit PIN and was concerned it may not work. All you have to do is go to an RBC ATM machine in Canada and when the screen comes up for "deposit, withdrawl, etc." push the button for other options. You can change your PIN right there on the ATM, to a 4 digit number. The new 4 digit PIN will work right away. Tim

John...what is the difference between a"real veteran" and a veteran? Anybody that has served is a "real veteran" and if it means those in the National Guard, etc. are not, then I ask what do you call one who condems the military from another country....Big Bird, ie., Bill Clinton? I agree with Sherry on the chemical part and I worry for the guys and hope the air strikes eliminate the possiblity of getting the chemcials involved at the ground. For so many years, we were at odds with Russia and now we are the only super power...unfortunately it comes with alot of baggage. The problem we have now is if we let Iraq go, we have another Korea in the future and as you see it becomes alot more difficult to deal with. Yes, oil is part of it too and there again, you control the oil flow and you control the US. We can make better cars but, do you think for a minute the unions would allow that to happen? All the jobs that would be eliminated. And lastly, it would be hard for me to believe that any president, republican or democrat, would want to see people die for a cause that does not protect our freedom in the future.

Does anyone know if you can go to the fiesta at the Gala, I believe, even if you do not stay there? I believe they have it on Tues. night? What is the cost?

Tim, thanks will give it a try. We are leaving next Saturday for six weeks and can't wait as Ottawa is quite cold at the moment. Sandra

Funny, when the buying public showed it'd buy a car that lasts, even if Japanese, the American cars were forced to improve and the unions didn't try to stop them - they'd rather build a quality product. Management, not union, foisted planned obsolescence onto the consumer. Today's National Gaurd and Reservists are veterans. The Vietnam era, where it was a safe place to WATCH the war, was a far different story. And unlike Cheney, at least Bill could site principals. 2000 was like 1960 only in as much as Daly's Chicago was like Jeb's Florida - both elections were stolen outright. But we do stry rather far from dear Mexico, where Vicente Fox has learned the hard way how far American politicians can be trusted.

Yeah, the big 94 devaluation moved the decimal point three spaces to the left.

Your new Huatulco B&B sounds interesting. Please write me more about it, availabililty and your new web site information when it is ready. Do you have any photos of the suites or home you could send me? Curt what is your email address so I can write you direct? We are 4 people coming for a month Feb 21 to March 23 and we like the > Hey, So, who's been to Barcelo, Huatulco? Anyone have any good tips? Anyone heading there this week? This is our first trip to Mexico. Actually it's our delated "Honeymoon". Can't wait to have fun in the sun! :-) [%sig%]

thank god we dont have gore in time of war leading this country. clinton and him gave away the house. that one > you are about to step foot in the best vacation spot for honeymooners in all of mexico, a lucky pick if i do say so. the barcelo is a fine place too.

ultra man---chicago franks neighbor. got the 1780 today now working on the rest. might have to substitute for that tyrconnel, its dam hard to find.

anyone flying in from the states bring a 6pack of guiness irish beer for victors irish pub. they dont sell it in mexico and whats an irish pub without lots of irish beer. dont worry about customs they wont bother you for a 6.

Ultra Man are you the transvestite? Should I bring my own rollers?

Five more big sleeps - not to fret All is packed - from combs to barettes Weather forecast calls for fair Let it rain - I don't care Wait till Victor sees my hair

Right on Ultra man! Gore would be like he was at the temple with the monks...he would be running around Iraq hoping he was at fund raiser...hoping no body would know....could show them a picture of Hillary and when they all screamed and turned their heads...we could sneak in and get Sadam!

The detention facility in Gitmo is a paradise by comparison.

Great, do you guys want to go to Victor's one night?

no im not,,, but im telling the truth. the one in town(and probably the only one) runs a hair salon and is supposed to be the best i hear. she or he has a very nice shop and does great hair

will you dare be there in febuair???because if you are we'll slip in my car and hit a good bar

no, its new again but im sure its very nice and up to huatulco standards. it is sorta secluded out on a point, so you need a car or cab to go anywhere.there is nothing near the hotel.

Actually it sucks. They did a cheap remodel of the club med and we were very disappointed. This is not a 5 star place and it is not up to Las Brisas standards in the rest of Mexico. The Camino real in Huatulco is far nicer.

I love it. It always happens. You say you're against the US of A going to yet another war and inevitably you are labeled anti-American. Some hippie liberal without a clue. For those of you who have that tendency to think like that -- here's a new concept: We "anti"Americans love the good ol' USA as much as the people who feel the need to march off to war! Fortunately, we still have the freedom to express our opinions - at least for the time being -- Oh, and another thing. Just because we don't like war doesn't mean we like Gore. Bush never really needs to worry about the majority thing. He got to be president without it didn't he? If only his daddy had taken Saddam out 12 years ago. Why didn't he????

actually, we are heading there january the 24 th stef

They are so worthless the locals use them to paint on or to use as some other form of art piece. I really doubt if the banks will take them even if you have sacks full Wayne

I will be there on Feb 2nd,will try to find you ,sounds good.

Thanks Frank, if you do have the extra space I can always use a can or four. They come in packs of four, and I will of course pay for any that anyone brings. With or without Guinness, you're always welcome at Café Dublin...winner of Huatulco's prestigous "Best Irish Pub Award" for every year since we opened. Vic.

Looking forward to seeing your hair Bring some Guinness if you dare Because there's none for sale in this old town It's really starting to get me down Come to Café Dublin with Frank in his car You'll find yourself in a very friendly bar I must end this poem right away Because the problem I have with poems is I always make the last line too long and can't get it to rhyme with anything

Frank, please don't worry, the 1780 is plenty. See you soon. Vic.

Stephanie, they're not worthless, bring some clean ones, I'll give you a couple of beers for them, maybe they'd look good on a wall in my bar. Frank, if I put old Mexican coins on my bar wall are you going to come in with your metal detector and headset and tune into my walls? Vic.

You can buy shrink-wrapped assortments of bills and coins in gift shops for from $6-9us. I saw a bunch at the Guad airport ... mint condition as well! [%sig%]

Dear Ms Sivey, Hello my name is Curt Morrow and I am the owner of the Huatulco B&B. Thank you for your interest in vacationing in Huatulco and staying with us in our home. My E-mail address is curtmorrow@aol.com Please contact me there for a more private conversation. Once my web site is done and I pay tomzap for a link and advertizing I will be more officially conected to the world of internet. Pardon the inconveienence at this time. Sincerely Curt Morrow.

Nobody likes war that is right in there mind. Hitler (who should and could of been stopped early, but diplomacy, talking and talking for and from fear of war, ruled till the nightmare was almost unstoppable), Saddam, I fear the powers of Egypt, Talliban and other of like do not fear war, feel it is thier destiny and an honor, have thrown many stones (dead bodies) first, hold down half of thier people (women), kill thier neighbors, gas thier own and on and on. History should not be allowed to be ignored. Bush's father would of committed political suicide if he continued into Iraq. The same people worried today about any war for any reason stopped him back then. We Are At War not at any ones choice but the people who declared it and are attacking at many differant locations globally. This is not another Vietnam, which I was VERY active in the anti-war movement at the University of Wisconsin. For the sake of ours and others soldiers, the future of the peoples of the world that support or believe Isrial should exist, woman are equals, an individual is everything, proper muslems And the good people of the middle east - please stop with the Hawks/Doves, Bill/George, D's/R's political crying and spin. It is time to go to the fair and see the BEAR. September 11 and more deaths sence then is as real as Pearl Harbor not only with intent but like necessary responce. May God insure what is good prevail. I hope and pray WE are on that side of good and all sons/daughters return home to a better world. The price for right has always been dear, the cost for wrong has always been more.

Hi, I'm heading to Huatulco at the end of the week, and would to know if anyone of yoou will be there in tis period of time. We are traveling from Montreal to the Barcelo hotel. Wanna party or go eat some place... let me know. stef

I will bring a "new" bottleing type of Guniess! Ofcourse I'd love to chow down on some of them shrimp!! Guiness has "draught" bottles now! Will be there starting the 15th of Feb. Any suggestions on Fishing charters and Scuba?? Lost all the old info when the topics vanished!! Muchos!!

Any good news on this hotel?? Anyone just get back from there?? We will be there from the 15th - 23rd of Feb.

I am working on arranging a trip for my daughter and her college roomate for thier spring break. We have a quote from apple vacations for a Chicago departure on March 8, for 1 week. Gala - $1150 (all inclusive) per person Camino Real - $1100 (no meals) per person We have visited the area recently, via other travel arrangements, and loved the Camino Real - so that would be our choice. These are our questions; Is this the best price we are likely to see? Are there any "hidden" charges we should know about? Thanks FB

GROOOOOOOOOOAAAN!!!!! I like that one Vic:) FB

That's great, I'm also heading to the Barcelo on 24th and thinking of getting my hair braided. I'm from quebec canada, and if you think your 3 degrees are cold, think about the poor Stef who is living with a minus 35 todays. stef

Mtn, Roberto at hurricanedivers.com would be the man for the scuba, I just had my neice in town for two weeks from Dublin, she and her boyfriend completed the diving course with Roberto and were totally happy with his service, I personally would not have trusted her with anyone else in town as I know Roberto runs an extreemly professional operation. Dave Garcia at Ventures would be my choice for the fishing, email ventures@huatulco.net.mx I've tried the new bottles of draught Guinness and know them to be excellent, are you sure they'll survive baggage handlers? Thanks, Vic.

Hi all, My wife and I just returned from Huatulco January 19, spending a fun filled week at the Gala Resort, with a few day trips,and several trips to town. Once I get settled in here and adjust to the -10c temps, I'll post a more detailed trip report. John ps: to Victor... It was great meeting you and Alejandra, and keep the whiskey flowing

Hola, I am going to travel to Huatucvo, I´d like to know where can I find a place where I can meet gay people, are there places in Huatulco like bars, disco or something like that?... thanks for your help.. good luck!!!

Don't forget to also bring clothing donations for those who are less fortunate. Victor will steer you to the best people to distibute your goods. It just adds more joy to the Huatulco experience ! John

Just got a Visa statement posted Jan 14 with a rate of 6.73 pesos per Canadian dollar. Also to let you know that the ATM in Tangolunda at the Barcelo doesn't seem to be adding a transaction surcharge anymore. Still, it is more fun to use the ATM's in town, for better shopping. My buddy was really amazed to find a Scotiabank ATM in La Crucecita, and it happily accepted his TD green card ! JOHN

ah! did not think about glass! back to the four-pack cans then..are you aware if the hurrican divers are a Paudi Certified operation? thx THINK SHRIMP

i bring bringing clothes and toys for 3 years and know exactly where to hand them out, maybe i can show you!

no gays sorry. think you best steer clear of huatulco, its not there cup of tea. try key west or cuba, castro has a special island just for your type.

chicago tribune this week 1 19 2003 999$ gala for 1 week febuary thru march sat. departures apple

Hi Victor... With any luck, tomorrow is the booze store run, why don't you send me a list of wants, and I will see what I can do for you. I assume that I can tuck a bottle of something or other in my carry on without causing a riot at customs? Course with my luck I will slip on the ice heading to the airport and fall on my ***

get vic a bottle of tullamore dew in the green jug not the bottle. i think he will like that alot

I just got 7 nights at Zaashila, with air from Chicago, for $963 per person thru Expedia... Feb. 26 - March 5.

yes but gala is all inclusive for 999$!!

John--- Not to rush you, but I'll be arriving at the Gala next Tuesday for 11nights and just wondering you impressions of the place. We were there 2 years ago and had a great time, wondering if anything has changed. Holly

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Hello Holly, we were there Xmas for our sixth visit, the only thing that has changed is the date !

i hope when i meet kellie she has a skinny bellie for if she is fine from front and behine i hope to take her to wine and dine but if the ladys pressed for time i guess ill see her the next time.

I don't know who wrote the above original message but for the record, it wasn't me! I can't wait for the deserted beaches, tropical breezes and wonderful culture Hautulco has to offer. The whole reason for the braids is so I have a "hair worry free" vacation to enjoy all of the above. See ya in 4 days and not at the salon but the saloon!!! K.

Cute verse....I like it! K.

Joshua, despite the attitude of some of the regulars, as reflected above, I think you'll find Huatulco quite gay - tolerant although the numbers do not justify any special bars or resorts. Near-by Zipolite is also quite gay-friendly though far more primative and bohemian. Ultra's comments on this topic reflect his politics, not the area ambiance.

ultra man wrote: its cold up here i got no beer i wish i had the money to buy a lear [%sig%] Post Edited (01-21-03 00:30)

Hi John, It's me Libby and i'm still as depressed about leaving as we were yesterday...this cold weather is killing me...Holly I just returned from the gala after staying there a week with my 2 daughters 11 and 13 and we had the best time of our lives...my kids never had a spare moment of boredom...those galvanants are not only fun, energetic, helpful, and very friendly but they are so DARN good looking that its a total bonus. They pretty well occupied my kids most of the week. Looking forward to our vacation again next year and hoping John Mc and his wife, and Denise and Ryan will be there again so we can continue where we left off.

The closest hair salon to the Gala would have to be at the barcelo right next door,,,although there is a woman who does hair braiding right onsite at the Gala,,she charged 20US for a full head and 10US for half a head but she does a great job and lasts a while....u can also get it done on the beach for half the price as long as u dont mind non-sterilized combs that go from head to head.

Sorry Frank....I'm bringing the hubby along for our annual "connect" week (I think you know what I mean and I don't mean we only do it once a year...I think I'm catching on to how you guys think..ha ha) No kids, no jobs, no worries....just FUN!!! Maybe we'll see you at Vic's and I'll buy you a beer (for a dime?)

Hey Vic....At least you can write a poem (not bad either). All these poems that have been written as Kellie C. as the author are not mine! Wish I could take credit for them. See ya soon!!! K.

dont ask,, dont tell ah yes who said these famous words. Post Edited (01-21-03 00:39) [%sig%] Post Edited (03-24-04 22:25)

jam,,dont waste your time with these people,their not worth it..when tom has enough again as before he will put it on delay again to stop all the garbage. its only one or two people going under many different names just as before.....we need to get together sometime up in lake geneva when the weather gets a little better, although today was beautifull......im picking up a nissan pathfinder this weekend in millwalkee and will be driving down in may most likely again... my jeep is always to hard to get serviced or find parts for in huatulco so im getting something where parts and service are allways available locally.... summer is just around the corner and ill be heading up to hayward to do some good fishing,,,cant wait.....frank

John: Look fwd to your post on your recent impressions of stay at Gala. My wife and I and 11-year old daughter will be flying down there from Montreal Feb. 14 for a week (1st time). Libby, thanks for your echos too, especially since you were there with kids. Sounds like our daughter won't get bored ! Let us know if there is anything else we should know. Yves in Montreal

Libby, I heard that the hair salon at the Barcelo is no longer operating, Can you confirm? Love Kellie

Prell and pantene, tame and breck About my hair I'm circumspect Head and shoulders, suave, finesse I like Victor's beer the best

Hey me again....was wondering if there are any boat trips that take you to all the bays and not just 1 or 2 with snorkeling. I'd like to see them all...after visiting Cancun the > Sorry can't confirm it, but when we were looking for someone to braid my kids hair caroline our signature vacations rep gave us a card with the salon name from the barcelo so I guess it must still be running cause she said it was but we didnt end up going cause I had the kids hair done right at the gala next to the pool...and the woman was fast...the kids have had their hair done for almost 4 days and it still looks great not a bead out of place.

Joshua, could you do my hair one day down there? Love Kellie

There are many good reasons for drinking,,, one has just entered my head,,, if a man dosent drink while hes living ,,, how the hell can he drink when hes dead! [%sig%] Post Edited (01-21-03 02:24)

Cabs and beer and golf and fags Conditioner, mousse and luggage tags All I want is a style and set A deep dark tan and a chia pet

Love the stef !! You may inspire my next poem. Kellie

Scott, have you got any repies yet? I will be next door starting on the 25th, and I will check it out and let you know. Kellie

there once was a man from narobi,,,who set out to find the great whale moby,,,up came a squall,,,he had no way to call,,,and all they found left was his hobbie.

Curt. Sorry I was unable to take a look at your place before I left, Victor and Alejandra kept me up until 5am nearly every night I was at the Cafe Dublin, and by the end of the week had almost forgotten how to walk!

Tom. I stayed at Gala for a week, Jan 5th to 12th. Then spent a week at a small family hotel in Crucecita. Ate Mexican food at lunch, and Victors Burgers and BLTs at night. I would stand on his doorstep waiting for him to arrive. You can have a small dinner or an early one at Gala and still get to enjoy Victor's cooking. Unfortunately I could not try the cheese plate or Steak sandwich with peppercorn sauce because of lactose intolerance to dairy, but the smell was almost good enough for me to forgo my doctor's advice. Sorry about the apathy Victor, I managed to catch my flight this time. George---used to be Curt's neighbour across the St. Clair river at Stag Island.

Any not so picky brides?

There is a trip that takes you to 7 bays. Check at your hotel or one of the tourist info centres in town.

The snorkeling equipment is included in the AI at Gala, but they don't want you to swim out of the designated swimming area because of all the motor boats which means you see sand and other peoples feet and not much else. Make sure to ask for a room away from the Nightly entertainment if you go to bed before 11pm and if you tend to sleep in late or take afternoon naps steer away from overlooking the pool which has day-long entertainment and DJs.

What Fiesta? I was at the upstairs bar so I probably missed it!

Hey Stef, Well, we should meet there somewhere?? Who is all going with you? There is eight of us going (3 couples and a couple friends). We leave tomorrow morning for a long drive to Toronto, from NB. So the count down is on!! See you soon! [%sig%] Post Edited (01-21-03 07:53)

Actually, only my boyfriend and I are heading there. We are 24 years old. It is our first trip ever... stef

Well we just got back too on the 19th... Great trip... But becarefull of the trip out side the resort... That Coffee plantation tour is a killer...3++ hr in the back of a truck we sat in front of you John. On a side note the little boy Conrad was air lifted to New mexico for treatment and hopefully returning home this week. Some kind of bug...!!!!

Thanks for your kind words Victor. Yes Mtn, we are a PADI Gold Palm Instructor Development Center. If you have any other questions or want to make a reservation in advance, please send us an e-mail. Roberto www.hurricanedivers.com hurricanedivers@hotmail.com Tel/Fax: (+52) 958 587 1107 Santa Cruz Beach, Huatulco

he could do your husband too!

Libby--- I'm at my desk looking at a photo that I taped to my computer two years ago from our last trip to the Gala. The good looking faces of Fabio, Lalo & Jimmy keep me going each day. These were just a few of the guys that kept the show running at the Gala. Do you recall if any of them are still there? Can't wait to see for myself. Will be there in 1 week and can't hardly sit still anymore, I'm so anxious to get there. Into the sun and out of the Windy City of Chicago even if it's only for 12 days. Holly

We are also leaving Montreal on the 24th.... there is also 8 of us going (4 couples)..... only three more days of -30........ can't wait....

Josua, there are a lot of gays in Huatulco, I get quite a few in my place regularly, my previous bartender was a lesbian. John, there's a new gay bar opened around the corner from The Entrega Bar, I'm not sure of it's name, or how it's doing, but the last time I went to The Entrega about 10 days ago, it seemed lively. Vic.

George, I'm sitting here applauding your discipline, way to go mate, it took three attempts to get out, but you made it! Thanks for the nice words on my food, see you next time. Vic.

Ah George, the old "chicken and egg" debate. Who kept who up until 5am every night you were at Café Dublin?? Only since you and "The English Drinking Team" left have Alex and I got to bed before 3am for a change. We miss you :) Vic.

Victor's beer is clean and cold His clientelle not very old His hamberguesas do the trick Try the rest...then take your pick

Ah, phantom peom scribblers, the scourge of a free message board. See you in Café Dublin. Vic.

Kathy, thanks for your help, I really, really appreciate it. To clarify ( I hope), I'm trying to build up a good selection of Irish whiskies in the bar, regular bottles of Jameson are available in Mexico City and I can get them sent down very easily. What I have at the moment are Jameson not aged, Tullamore Dew bottle and not aged, Powers and Paddy. As Ultra Man points out, I'd love the little green jug of Tullamore Dew, from what I can remember it's the same whiskey inside as the bottle, but I'd love that jug for decoration after the whiskey has fought it's way through my liver. Tullamore Dew also make a bottle of 12 year old whiskey which is absolutely superb, I'd love one of those also. Please don't take any risks, with Mexican customs or a nasty glass bottle/ice on street situation. None of the above requests are that critical. Thanks again. Vic.

Frank, it's getting quite chilly here at night. Could you give the Guinness to the 3 year olds and give me the clothes? Vic.

A group of us (4 couples) are going .... we'll be on the same flight Friday morning.... We never turn down a good party!!!! With a -30 outside, can't wait to get on that beach!!!!

We are looking at travel plans for my daughter and her friend at thier spring break. Any of you Chicago travelers who would be willing to share travel cost and > Yves your daughter will have an amazing time as soon as she gets to meet the sports/entertainment group (get her to join in on the activities at least once and then she'll be hooked)...my kids are very outgoing and not shy at all so they got to meet all of the entertainers and hang with them most of the week (they are very down to earth and would have lunches with us) Holly I dont think any of the guys u mentioned are there unless they were maybe on vacation during that week....but Fernie,Oscar,Fernando,Adolfo,jasmine and so many others are there...If you see any of them tell them Amanda and Christina say HI....I'm just waiting to go pick up my pictures so I can use them as screen savers on my computer also...makes life so much happier.

George, I'm pretty sure you saw most of them on your between BLT and hamburger rambles. A certain tall, dark, Corona drinking, admirer was in last night asking for you, and showed just a little irritation at your belated departure :) Vic.

i can get the powers, i saw it yesterday

Hola Amigas and Amigos... My wife and I travelled to Huatulco on January 12, 2003 and stayed for a week at the Gala Resort. Here are just a "few" words to describe our trip. We arrived in sunny Huatulco at about 10:30 am and spent a rather long time in the only open immigration line. After the tourist cards and passports were stamped it was on to red light/green light where we breezed right through. After a 25 minute or so bus ride,and being entertained by the Signature Tours Rep.,we arrived at the Gala for check-in. Twenty minutes later we were on the beach. We had taken 2 bags of clothing for donation to the local people, and it was only minutes before we spotted our friend Valentino, and offered to give him the clothes to take back to his hometown. Valentino wanted to have us come to his town to see where the clothes would go, but we politely declined, wishing to remain anonymous. We gave him the clothing the next day. It gave us a great feeling to give something back to the community, who provide such good services to the tourists. The Gala is situated in Tangolunda Bay, where the bulk of the tourists to Huatulco stay. It shares the beach with the Barcelo and the Quinta Real. The Zaashila has its own beach just over the rocks next to the Gala. The Las Brisas (former Club Med) is in the bay, just the other side of the marina inlet. The beach is very clean, with a few local "entrepreneurs" willing to sell you just about anything. For the most part these vendors are polite and don't hassle you. If you say "no gracias", they usually just head on to the next person. The ocean can be a little rough at times, but is fine for competant swimmers. I snorkelled just about every day beside the rocks, and although the visibility isn't great, the colourful fish are breath taking. You can do as little or as much at the Gala as you want to. Their entertaing team of Galavants do their best to ensure a fun vacation for all, by constantly organizing activities and performing in nightly shows. Eating at the Gala buffets is all right, but the food becomes recycled in a hurry, and it isn't hard to spot the same dishes, cleverly disguised later in the week. The a la carte is much better for dining, with the restaurants rotating between Italian and Mexican Themes. The food off the resort is great and varied in La Crucecita, and generally affordable. I had the best onion soup in my life at The Oasis cafe by the zocalo. I would suggest that everone at least spend some time (and money) off the resort. It is a great way to see how the locals live, and gives you a greater appreciation for Huatulco. We met some great new friends on our first day. Libby and her young daughters Amanda and Christina first contacted me through the Tomzap website, and we met by the pool. We met Denise and Ryan by the pool bar a little later. Turns out that Ryan had just proposed to Denise on top of the rocks that separate the Gala from the Zaashila. We also met Anne and Lou from North Bay, who were really nice people also. We had a large table for dinner that night and really had fun, with Ryan and I putting on a "comedy" show for the girls.By weeks end, Amanda and Christina knew ALL of the Galavants by name. It was hard to distinguish who was entertaing who, as the staff had a blast with these two girls. We decided to take a couple of day trips off the resort to get to see some of the sights. We went on the tour to The Magic Falls/Coffee plantation as well as the bay tour on the Fiesta Catamaran. The Magic Falls tour takes you on a long, bumpy and dusty ride up the mountains to a beautiful waterfall. Our guide was Edgar Pedraza, who was very knowledged about the area, its plants, wildlife and scenery. He spoke English very well (better than me at times !), and was a big reason why this trip went so well. Our driver, Jesus (or Choucho as he was known), handled the rough roads, and the many obstacles with ease, and was a hoot ! We asked Edgar why the falls were known as the "Magic Falls", and all he would say is "you'll see". He was right ! The Falls were breathtaking ! It was amazing to swim in such fresh, clear water. The only drawback was the long arduous walk to the falls. You should be in good shape for this one !! After the Falls, we had lunch at the coffee plantation. After a shot of Mezcal and a toast, we ate a fine meal of Oaxacan food. Some of the foods served were: chicken in a mole sauce, black beans, rice, tuna casserole, and fajita meat with warm tortillas. Then it was off to tour the plantation. Edgar took us through the woods, showing us the coffee trees, and other interesting things, as well as the plantation home. We also had the chance to purchase some Pluma Oaxaca coffee right from the estate. Then we had the long ride back to the Gala for the evening fun. The next few days were spent playing and lounging around the hotel, as well as a few shopping trips to La Crucecita. On Friday, we went to the Santa Cruz marina and boarded the Fiesta Catamaran for a bay tour with two stops for snorkelling and lunch. On the way to San Agustin, we saw many dolphins along side of the boat as well as a whale and her calf. The calf put on a show by doing a few jumps. That was one of the highlights of any trip that I have ever taken. We then got off at San Agustin for some snorkelling. The water is much clearer than in Tangolunda, with the colourful fish standing out against the black coral reef. Next stop was Maguey beach for lunch, where we were seated at a restaurant that was conveniently staffed by the boat crew. Co-incidence ? The only drawback to Maguey was being bombarded by beach vendors. They were very aggressive and didn't mind disrupting your meal to try to sell you something. You have to realize, that the tourist season is short, and vending is how they make their living, so cut them a little slack. On the way back to the marina, we passed the "stone face" rock formation for a few pictures before passing a couple of sea turtles doing the "horizontal mamba". All the while, the catamaran staff were handing out drinks(water, pop and beer), and providing commentary in both Spanish and English. This was a fun trip !! Saturday afternoon was shopping day in Santa Cruz for the ladies, while Ryan and I stayed at the Gala, enjoying the pool activities and cocktails. In the evening, Adrienne, Libby and I headed to la Crucecita for some last minute shopping as well as drinks at Cafe Dublin. It was great meeting Victor and Alejandra and bending their ears for a while. Victor gave us a rundown on the town, and its dependance on the tourists. Sure was nice tasting Irish Whisky, after a week of tequila and mezcal. Unfortunately, Sunday was the departure day, with a 6 am wake up call. A final breakfast with the gang before heading to the airport signalled the beginning of the end of our vacation. We all seem to have said a common phrase: SAME TIME NEXT YEAR !!!! and we hope to be there. Adrienne and John McFarlane

Wind chill tomorrow night (Wed.) is supposed to be minus 20 to 25 with 30 to 35 MPH winds. Does anyone know of a good website for the weather forcast for Huatulco?

Hi everyone, My wife and I just returned from Huatulco Jan 19 and would like to give the latest exchange rates. We withdrew 2000 pesos from the ATM in Tangolunda, and were charged $295.64CDN. That works out to 6.76 pesos/$1 CDN. My bank imposed a withdrawl fee of $3, bringing the total exchange rate to 6.70 pesos/$1 CDN. The machine used to impose a surcharge of 25 pesos per transaction, but doesn't anymore. That is a much better rate than in the hotels, and is much more convenient than travellers cheques. You need to provide ID at the bank to cash travelers cheques. Bringing Canadian cash is a waste of time, as practically nobody accepts it. As far as telephone calls to home are concerned, Signature tours is selling telephone pass cards at 100 pesos. That gives you approximately 20 minutes calling time to Canada. Their supply is limited and sometimes they don't even have any. Your best bet is to purchase a Ladatel card for 100 pesos across the street. These cards have no annoying access codes and are also good for approximately 20 minutes. Just make sure that they are good for "larga distancia". All you have to do is insert the card and dial 001+ area code+phone # Hope this helps. Adrienne and John McFarlane

Hi Willie/Libby... Hope that you had a safe trip back home. Yes it sure is tough getting used to the cold temperatures. Today was my first day back at work in the great outdoors, and it was a killer. I'm taking Wednesday off as it is Adrienne's birthday. The forecasted -30 wind chills also has something to do with it. Libby, I've got over 200 digital pix, and am waiting for films to be developed, so I'll mail you a cd ASAP so you can pick a screen saver. I'll e-mail you a couple of teaser pix. By the way, did Christina get her Viking project done ? Glad to see that Conrad is on the mend and we wish him a speedy recovery. By the way Willy, count yourself lucky that you were in front of me for the ride home from the plantation tour. The bumpy ride caused some mixed emotions with the 3 helpings of black beans, if you know what I mean ! SAME TIME NEXT YEAR !!!! John

Hi Tom, Try this link, if it doesnt work just navigate around the site to find Bahias de Huatulco. John http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/WMMBT.html

ANY DAMAGE AROUND HUATULCO FROM THE QUAKE YESTERDAY? DID ANYONE EVEN FEEL IT?

One thing I have learned about the weather in Huatulco is to not worry about it the weather is always nice Wayne Overby

What a wonderful and informative report To bad you did not go with Valintino you would have been in for a wonderful at the place where he lives Wayne

Wonderful and very well put. Sounds very much like our last visit. We are returning to the Gala again on Sunday! I can hardly wait. I live in Bruce County Onatario the snow capital. Nearly minus 20 C today. I would love to see the falls but my husband won't be able to make the trek.

Excellent report, thanks a bundle... heading to the Gala on the 24th (counting the hours) and looking forward to HOT WEATHER after suffering this arctic blast that has enveloped us!!

We will also be on the same flight out of Montreal, got to love Mirabel Airport at 4am (check in time) with nothing to do, no place to go, and now no airport hotel either!! YIKES! Waiting anxiously for Mirabel to shut down and Dorval to take over once again!!

Just heard about a massive Earthquake hitting Manzanillo area..hope all is well in Huatulco!!!!

Hi Mtn, Yes, everything is ok here in Huatulco. We did not get affected at all, it was still pretty far away from here.............. Roberto www.hurricanedivers.com

Hi Tom Wayne is right, from November to May it is always sunny and 30ºC. There are several websites you can check for (current) Huatulco weather. During the Hurricane Season though all they predict is thunderstorms everyday and we get maybe two a month. And for the current season you don´t need any predictions. In other words, those sites are pretty useless, at least for the weather in Huatulco. Check the weather section in this website, it´s got plenty of info. Roberto www.hurricanedivers.com

Frank, Powers I have, my neice brought me a bottle from Ireland. Thanks, Vic.

George I am sorry you did not find time to break away from duties calling you at Cafe Dublin to come by Huatulco B&B too. But soon I will post my advertizing on tomzap with a link to my web page once it is completed. Since Victor will be taking the photos and is now able to find his bed before 5AM this need could occure sooner than later. Thank you for your interest and hope your return was safe. Get some rest from your vacation and good luck in learning to walk again. Next time we will hook up.

an ABC News story on the Colima earthquake is at <http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/mexico030122_quake.html>

I thought my E-mail address would of posted automatically on my first public anouncement in this Visitors' Comment section of tomzap concerning my new Huatulco B&B. If you wish to contact me directly for more information about Huatulco B&B or what ever else during the interum periode of time with no web site Please write me at curtmorrow@aol.com or call me at 958-583-4132. Thank you, Curt.

No damage here in Huatulco and could not feel it either. All is fine in Huatulco.

Alex and I have been thinking long and hard about the damage some of our customers are doing to themselves, it's kept us awake at night and reading these posts has only served to highten our urgency in addressing this problem. Starting in February we are introducing our "Café Dublin, End of Vacation Rehabilitation Programme". Two days before you are due to fly home we will be meeting on Cacaluta Beach, chosen for it's lack of bars and alcohol available, to reaquaint customers with some basic functions necessary for a safe return to life in North American corporate society. 1. Learning to read the time. Watch and clock reading classes, both in daylight and flashlight assisted nightime reading. You really don't want to stay in the office, or on the jobsite past 3AM, it creates problems with spouses and co-workers alike. 2. Learning to walk straight. Necessary when you return to the office for avoiding collision with co-workers' desks, walls etc. This class is invaluable if you're returning to a possible promotion or maybe you have romantic > Ok, got the list, wish me luck, tied pillow to my *** in case I slip on the ice, not to mention wearing snow pants/ski jacket/hat/mitts/boots/scarf OH GOD I look like the ABOMINABLE SNOWMAN!!!!! (Course this might be a good thing as I lost my girlie figure somewhere around late 30's.... haha) Can't promise anything, but will do my best, otherwise will just have to show up empty handed at the bar and invest in the local economy!! Cheers

Very, Nice report, I can't wait untill we are back down there again. Only 18 more days !!!!! I can't take the sub zero weather up here anymore. Julie

We are coming to Huatulco in February and were wondering about the coffee plantations tours? Any recommendations or suggestions?

We're arriving next week and the selection of summer clothes and beach wear here is limited!! What is the availability and price like in La Crucecita or Santa Cruz? Can anyone help?

Find out what the tour company plans to use for transportation. Air condidioned suburbans, yes. Open truck, no. Both are in use.

Lovely report! Pity I'm starting a new job right now and can't get down 'til probably May. At least the vacation builds fast on this one...

That has a nice ring to it. Vic and Alexs' 14 step program. Drink, drink, drink for 10 days and then go on the four day reintegration program. I think only # 2 and 4 apply to me, especially #4. That means I get 12 days of drinking at Cafe Dublin. Another > Pilar's a tough cookie. She can handle the open truck. :-)

I was justs wondering what brands of beer they serve at the Gala are there any brands better than Corona?

how about kilbeggan can get that easy

they got old millwakee light and pabst blue ribbon

today 22nd , 0 ... tomorrow 23rd, 0... friday 24th, -5 below 0... saturday 25th, -10 below they say. the hell with cold beer, im putting mine in the microwave [%sig%] Post Edited (01-22-03 16:01)

anything you need im sure

this is spooky,,,i called my friend pepe last night who owns the posada michelle hotel at exactly 8pm as i told him i would and during our short conversation i asked him about any quakes recently and he said no none and i was relived for i allways worry since i have a place of my own in huatulco to care for. i hung up about 5 minutes after 8pm and the quake struck at 8:07 2 minutes later.. hes going to think im a voodoo man or something. i ask about earthquakes and 2 minutes later it hits!!!

its call "long dong silvers". [%sig%] Post Edited (01-23-03 23:07)

the circus usually arrives sometime in febuary,, does anyone have any info on when it will be in town this year???

Hi Dave and Jeanine, I just returned from the Gala, and they serve Superior from large bottles at the pool bar. They also serve Victoria, which is a darker beer. They also give you 2 mini Coronas in the mini bar fridge each day. Whatever beer thet serve you, it always tastes great !! JOHN

Read my trip report, as it contains info about the coffee plantation/Magic waterfalls tour. It would be more comfortable to go in an air conditioned Suburban, but the open air Machito Bananas trucks are a lot of fun, albeit very dusty. Have fun !! JOHN

Who said life is rough! Life is easy compared to recovering from an over earned vacation 16 degrees from the equator in SUNNY HUATULCO. God knows someone has to do it. And Cafe Dublin "thee cultural english speaking oasis" of Huatulco is the place to give it all you got. Long live Ireland and Irishman who own bars. Huatulco B&B is a good place to sleep, recover and repair or prepare for the next night to come. It is within 3 blocks walking distance to Cafe Dublin and the only worry one has coming home at night is avoiding having your fingers run over when your rounding the last corner before the streight away to the bedroom.

My family was the very first to stay at Huatulco B&B. Curt and Imelda had just finished setting up the B&B and we were last minute guests.The house was very clean and well kept. Curt and Imelda were very helpful in advising us and arranging local tours, restaurants, beaches etc. Continental style breakfasts and fruit are included in the daily rate, but we hired Curt to cook us three additional excellent meals. We particularly enjoyed beautiful Conejo beach, and the tour to the coffee plantation and waterfalls should not be missed!

I would not know what they serve at the Gala but the best beers are Negro Modelo, XX dark (abscura). Superior (There was a > I guess no chance of a labatt's blue, real Canadian beer. Not that I'm concerned about it. Is Mexican beer better than USA water. I mean beer?

Corona, Victoria & Negro Modelo.

How primitive!!!

Having done the "organized tour thing" once too often, I would prefer to hire a guide or taxi or driver for a day instead, and have them tour us around rather than pay too much (in my opinion) for a tour where they rush us thru what we want to stay for, and linger on parts we don't! I know how to get around to the various beaches and bays, but now where would I connect with a good driver that can pile 6 people into a suburban type vehicle and show us around the countryside, see some wild life, tour some nearby villages, see non touristy magnet stuff? We did this in Telchac Puerto, had the best driver who was a riot, didn't speak much english, but what a sense of humour! Charged us $10USD an hour for the 8 of us, took us all over the place, we paid for all his meals and drinks (by the end of the trip we almost had to drive as we gave him "One Too Many" cervezas... haha) Anyway, if anyone knows a good driver who might fit what we are looking for, a name and means to contact, or where to find him would be appreciated. Cheers... (22 hours till takeoff - and counting the minutes!!)

The Barcelo is a good resort and the view is of the Ocean and or the Pool and the Ocean. The food is good but limited in choices due to the smaller size of the Hotel. The Pool is great and the Ocean is good for swimming next door at the Gala. Do not go on the coffee tour if you do not like a long back road ride 2 Hrs each way but the stop before the plantation to swim at the falls is great. Boat trip to visit Bays is well worth it and if you can go on the sailboat out of Vancouver it beats the main boat in class and service. Temperature is sunny and hot and a very dry area with 290 dry days a year. So get up early to get shade for later in day with your blanket on a chair. Have a great trip

The falls are great but the 2 hour ride each way through the back roads would not be pleaseant in a open truck. These are true back roads and all dirt unploughed. the plantation is difinatley not worth it though it is where you get fed. lots of misquitos at the plantation. Roads are washed out in places and very rough unless it has changed in a year. Does show you how true Mexicans in the country live.

hey julie,, lets get primative together!!!! [%sig%] Post Edited (01-23-03 23:05)

I posted last week regarding how to get from HUX to P.E. All suggestions were helpful. Thanks. I am posting this on the Huatulco board because there is way more traffic here, and the frequents are most knowledgable. Me (mid 30"s) my girlfriend (very cute! - mid 20's) are arriving in P.E. on March 9. We want to spend 2 or 3 days in P.E. before Hualtulco, (where we will spend some quality time on a barstool at Vic's Cafe'.) Previous posts have indicated that reservations are not necessary upon arrival in P.E., but here is my (actually her!) concern. When we arrive in P.E., where should we get dropped off? It has been told, to walk around and check out a few places before settling in.. We (her!) are going to have more than a backpack of luggage. I guess I just can't picture wheeling the luggage around, in search of accomodations. Am I correct? Should we make a reservation somwhere? What is the best way to go about this? Thanks again!

In my humble opinion Negra Modelo and Modelo Especial, a dark and a lager beer respectively, are the best in the region. They both sell for a couple of pesos more than Corona, possibly due to a better brewing process which shows in the flavour. Montejo, another lager priced the same as Corona, would get my vote ahead of Corona any day, it has a crisper, more hoppy flavour. Victoria is a good darkish beer. XX and XX Oscura (dark) are both first class beers and sell for the same as Corona. Puerto Bill, how come you didn't come down and see us?? And Guinness is not merely a "beer"...it's liquid engineering! Vic.

Frank, I've never heard of Kilbeggan,but like I said I'm trying to build a good selection of Irish whiskies so it fits the bill. Worse case scenario is it's not great so I just use it in Irish coffees etc. Kathy, showing up empty handed is fine...you won't be for long! Vic.

Ralph, there's a great outdoor market about 5 mins walk from the main square, you'll find what you need there at a great price. Go to www.freewebs.com/cafe_dublin/ check out the map, and it's about a block off the top of the page further north. You can find clothes in and around the main square area but they're priced for tourists. Vic.

John, work lots of overtime...bring Guinness!!

Check out Victor's website for some aerial photos of the bays you should try to visit. His web address is www.freewebs.com/cafe_dublin There are some great shots that show you how beautiful the local bays are.(And of course, also his bar!)

Thought it be great to get around and be more mobile are there any places where you can rent scooters etc.. Sure appreciate the help!

There are scooter rentals, but you can rent a VW bug from Budget for less money.

As those who are regular readers of these posts know, I am not a fan of Tangolunda. If you're after maximum luxury, the villas and rental homes are a far better choice. The All-Inclusives are for those with bottomless pits (read:teenagers) to fill with little regard to food quality (the ala carte restaurants are a little better though still no where near the league of the restaurants in La Crucecita and Santa Cruz) or else for those who want to sit by the pool or on the beach with a drink in their hand and vegetate - nothing wrong with that, ofc course, but I'm more of a "go back to work to recover from the vacation" type. To get the most out of a vacation to the Oaxacan Pacific, you've got to get out of the golden cages on Tangolunda. Nightlife tends to be on the Mexican pace - it never gets really going until after 11pm. Irish bars excepted. While the restaurants tend to be less than fancy, the regional cuisine is exquisite. The area is extremely safe. The people are marvelous. The scenery has to be experienced to be enjoyed. The mountains crowd right to the sea - look at the altitude gradients on the maps provided on this site. And after you've looked at the maps, continue your pre-vacation prep by perusing the Main Menu for the points that interest you. There's great hiking by Piedra Los Moros. There's great fishing, snorkeling, diving, and remote beach exploration by panga. Get out and experience this paradise!

There's also an artisans market accross from the marina in Santa Cruz. And if you stray from the tourist Huatulco (Tangolunda, Santa Cruz, La Crucecita), you'll find a MARVELOUS traditional market in Santa Maria Huatulco, inland near the airport. The market is near the pretty little church, also well worth a visit. The market is kept scrupulously clean. It's in a cobblestoned area. The whole little town is well worth a few hours' visit. If you REALLY need something, the market in Pochutla is a bustling madhouse, not so tidy. The luncherias there have incredible food at low prices. There is the institution of the "Mercado Tanguis", which is a traveling group of vendors who come in for the weekly market day, usually setting up in the streets surrounding the permanent market. I don't recall the market day for Santa Maria nor Pochutla, but I do remember Sunday as the market day up in the industrial part of La Crucecita. This is actually not anything you want to visit, though, unless you want needles, tools, cheap clothing, or sub-standard boom-boxes. Every town has its mercado. As you travel into the mountains, you find the articles for sale more and more different. On into the smaller communities, you can find local handicrafts that would make a truly unique memento of your journey. Get out there and spread the pesos around!

I guess all the Noche Bueno from Christmas has been consumed by now? Back when my body let me do alcohol, I'd have driven to the Deposito in Pochutla for a few cases of Superior! It's a very non-bitter beer. And yes, any Mexican beer is better than our US yellow water.

John, I think he mentioned he did want clothing, that "Sunday market" has tons of it, priced to sell to the locals, and it is open 7 days. Vic.

Careful of the rental VW Bugs. We rented one and it had almost no clutch and no brakes. It was a convertible though. [%sig%]

Scooter rentals can be found at the north western corner of the main square, next to Tropicana Restaurant. All they have are 100cc automatic 2 strokes, price ranges from $30 per day, and downward for more than one day.

I Believe scooter rental to be cheaper then any car and they can be great fun But please be very careful of taxis they do not drive like we do in the US Also watch out to Topes (speed bumps),falling coconuts and missing man hole grates. I drive my scooter all over and have a great time but I drive very defensive Wayne

Hi, Vic. Sorry I could not make it to your part of the Oaxacan coast while I was in the region. I tried to make it but something always came up. Plus I only had a month and I didn't have any room in my travel bag to bring any Guinness so I was a little embarrassed. In reality there is no good excuse except that I was too lazy. I hope to be back down before the summer equinox, maybe before Easter hell week, and I will surly come and visit and I will surely not leave home without a gift. PB

Hmm - So what about renting a moped to get to Pto Angel/Zipolite for a few days? Suicidal? Whatever-the-corresponding-adjective-is-for-begging-to-get-ripped-off? (e.g.: Stupid?) or Fun?

Hola, Josua, yo estare en Huatulco y Puerto Angel Feb. 21-25 con amigos "bugas" pero non primitivos como Chicago Frank. E-mail me si quieres conocerme luego. Get that right, Frank?

See you down there on the 30th.

Jack. Killing turtles in Mexico is a Federal offense (and I'm glad for that, they are considered endangered and they are protected by the law). The chicken, fish or beef soup is also great. Try a "chilpachol" in a seafood restaurant and you'll forget the turtles' soup for ever. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. ACTION SPORTS MARINA HUATULCO Barceló Huatulco Resort Tel. (958) 58 100 55 ext. 842 Bahías de Huatulco, Oaxaca, MEXICO < www.bahisplus.com/huatulcoscuba >

Kellie. The hair salon at the Barcelo is working. Her owner is Meche who also owns a hair saloon in the downtown. SAludos de tu amigo. Charlie. ACTION SPORTS MARINA HUATULCO Barceló Huatulco Resort Tel. (958) 58 100 55 ext. 842 Bahías de Huatulco, Oaxaca, MEXICO <www.bahisplus.com/huatulcoscuba>

Frank, I think he want's to meet you

i dont think he will like what he gets [%sig%] Post Edited (01-26-03 12:05)

how about i bring some good old budweiser with me

Wayne is absolutely right.. scooters are great.. and the trip to Pochutla/Puerto Angel/Zipolite and back is a great one.. but watch for other drivers. "Alto" seems to be advisory rather than mandatory.. as are solid lines. Folks will pass on curves.. and hazards aren't as well marked as you're probably used to.. so do it.. but drive defensively. Look for Roger on the square in Crucecita.. he has scooters.

Mtn, I've known Robert & Hurricanie Divers for several years know... and went thru his Padi certification last year. Robert is an extremely knowledgeable, responsible, professional. He knows his stuff, has great equipment, patience and local knowledge. I recommend them unequivocall... unreservedl... with no hesitation!

Oh yeah, Mtn... David & his boat Ventures is the way to fish... a little more expensive than the pangas, but a much better, more seaworthy boat... with Penn International reels, knowledgable staff (Lako) and more...

So, that's what you call it, hey Frank???

The scooter renters don't allow you to go out of the town onto Hwy 200. The previous posters are not exaggerating, local drivers here drive like they have total faith in an afterlife, it's not safe. I am a qualified motorcycle instructor, with about 23 years on 2 wheels, and drive with 3 eyes on the road, yet I'm terrified to take my motorcycles out on any 2 laned road here. There simply is no defence against a truck coming straight at you, on your side of the road, as you exit a bend. Vic.

Not for me Frank, I prefer the "Ciel" brand of fizzy, bottled water.

Hi we're heading down from the deep freeze in Ontario (isn't half the province) on Sunday and staying at the Costa Club anyone have any comments or experience with this hotel ? It was all we could get when the cold snap sent everyone fleeing south. And this is an awesome bbs by the way i feel like i know some of the people already. Packing my sunscreen, Janet

Is David Back now and is his boat working again Wayne

Scooters are fun

When you get to town; CLOWN!

Kudos Vic on your site with the great pics... the pub looks great and my husband Ken and I will be sure to stop in next week.... should we enroll now for the rehab program? :) Looking forward to sun and relaxing. Janet

Well, thank you all for the advice..I will definatley be going with Hurricane! 2 of us are certified, one needs a refresher course/dive. I am interested in doing a ship dive..I have heard of one or two down there..Hurricane, do you go there? As far as fishin, Ofcourse you pay for what you get, so we will be looking at a better fishing outfit to secure. Also, does anyone know if you can send the fish back to the states in Dry Ice..Fed-Ex??? We will leave some for the locals, but would love to smoke some back here. 21 more days!

In answer to your question about fish I have brought fish,shrimp and lobsters What I do is use a cooler as luggage and return with it packed with ice and my catch have not had a problem yet Wayne Overby Villa Soly Mar

Hi Mtn or Scott, I will send you some info on our service and prices directly. What shipwrecks are concerned: I´m sorry to say that there is no real wreck diving in Huatulco, although there are still websites out there saying the contrary. There used to be a wreck around the corner from Santa Cruz but that was completely smashed to pieces by hurricane Pauline. It´s still a very nice dive site with big schools of fish but no wreck diving. There is a small wreck way out, passed San Augustin but it has also fallen apart. That and the currents there don´t make it worthwhile anymore. There are some other wrecks, but they are far over the depth limit for recreational diving. Maybe somebody can drill a hole in one of the cruise ships that anchor in Chahué? Roberto www.hurricanedivers.com hurricanedivers@hotmail.com Santa Cruz Beach, Huatulco

First let our experienced alcohol technicians assess your reaction to our treatment. From there we can estimate which level of rehabilitation, if any, will be required to get you safely returned to corporate life. Looking forward to seeing you. Vic.

I'm right on it Roberto, heading down to the marina now with my Black & Decker and 100ft extention cord. Is it safe to dive into the Pacific clutching a power drill plugged in, do I need to wear rubber soled shoes? Vic.

Touché

No one has mentioned Bohemia which is a fine beer, although I've never understood the reason for the premium price on most menus? I agree completely about Corona and Sol being the least of Mexican beers, however if you have to sacrifice something yellow to make a michelada... They also work with a vasso con agua and limon instead of ciel.

I'm sure you can find some terrorist group to tell you how to perform such a stunt Vic! you guys are funny! Roberto, Thanks for the email, I forwarded it to the other interested party, and we will contact you as soon as we figure out what our plan is..

Janet, the Costa Club is the AI option on Castillo Huatulco in Santa Cruz. This puts you walking distance from Playa Santa Cruz and Playa La Entrega plus they have a beach club on Tangolunda to which they will shuttle you. There's some great places to eat around the square in Santa Cruz as well as in La Crucecita when you get tired of the All Inclusive fare.

Doesn't it seem that the most gay-hostile are those who have hidden issues with their own sexuality?

go try to convert somebody else will ya. Post Edited (01-26-03 12:19) [%sig%] Post Edited (03-24-04 22:26)

just take a cab ride into town(la crucecita) there are so many good restuarants you will surley find some you like and in all different price ranges

kiss my @#& [%sig%] Post Edited (01-25-03 11:44)

in fact kiss it twice [%sig%] Post Edited (01-24-03 16:35)

So nice you said it twice!

What does "bbs" mean? I already know I am an > Thanks, guys, I'm taking Victor's advice this time out. May putt around Huatulco, tht'll be it.

Then there was the Aggie who thought that Moby Dick was a venereal disease...

You Said just what I was thinking Frank But you but in a much rougher way then I would Wayne

Can anyone tell me when marlin, sword, or sailfish season is? I've heard that it's not untill May-July- is this correct? Also can anyone recommend a good charter for myself and some bussiness aquaintances for this type of fishing season. I've heard that David from Ventures is supposed to be good, but I heard that he isn't operating anymore and that the boat was for sale. Any info would be most helpful Richard

I must concur with my fellow conservatives. Huatulco is not a place for homosexuals. Gays aren't wanted or excepted in our family oriented vacation paradise. If you want to vacation with queers, go to Amsterdam- they love them there.

Nah, you aren't an > we spent the holidays there from oklahoma. great place, food great and the rooms were great. had a real good time and will go back again. have been to huatulco 3 times. enjoy, enjoy, enjoy

did it and loved it. just don't forget sunscreen you'll burn bad if you do. wear alot of leave in hair conditioner at all times or hair will break. I wore braides for 6 days and no problem and no hotrollers. pay nomore than $20 and you'll be happy with what you get

how about fallstaff beer i like that beer or colt 45 malt liquor

if you want to take a scooter out of town a little then go east of the gala about 10 kilometers to the town of copilita and have lunch at the big palapa. its a quiet road and fairly safe and the coastline is beautifull. ive done it many times on a scooter with no trouble. you will also pass horseback riding on the way and beautifull bocana beach. stop at the beach and ask for a mud treatment, youll love it. stay off the road to the airport with a scooter, its way to dangerous and youd have to be nuts to try for puchulta!! [%sig%] Post Edited (01-24-03 23:14)

I can't believe I forgot Bohemia. It really is an excellent beer. Because it is the first brand of beer I ever drank in Mexico, every time I take that first sip of a new bottle it brings back memories. Kind of like when I am walking down the street in California and a diesel bus drives by. It just reminds me of Mexico. PB

are you alcohol technicians board certified with a masters??

three will be plenty rooms in p.e. dont worry. there are lots of hotels right on the strip along the beach. just pick one that looks nice, they are sure to have a room, spend the night and start from there.....

Thank you Mark, Debra and family for visiting our new Huatulco Bed & Breakfast. We were blessed to have such wonderful people in our home. The help we gave you to get you what you wanted out of Huatulco was easy for us to do and our pleasure too. Imelda and I look forward to hearing from you again and we hope to see you even sooner. You and yours are always wecome at our home. Thanks again, Imelda and Curt.

Kellie C. I have a friend who does private panga bay trips by the 1/2 or full day. This way you get what you want or point at.There are more secluded beaches then you could visit in a month out there. His cost is about $125 for a 4 hour 1/2 day trip. Call me at the Huatulco B&B when you get to the GALA at 583-4132 ask for Curt or Imelda.

Stephanie: Your coins can be valuable for collectors, but they won't be received for shopping. Victors offer sounds good, "old" mexican coins by beers is a good deal. If you have a one peso coin dated in 1945, bring it and I'll buy it. During the six years presidential period of Carlos Salinas (the Devil keep him well far away from Mexico in Ireland), the mexican money was adjusted removing three zeros. If your coin is a 5 pesos, its actual real value is 0.005 new pesos. Carlos C. Ramos Mantecón PADI Inst. 157092 DAN Oygen Inst. 10451 ACTION SPORTS MARINA HUATULCO Barceló Huatulco Resorts. Tel. (958) 58 100 55 ext. 842 Bahías de Huatulco, Oaxaca, MEXICO <|www.bahiasplus.com/huatulcoscuba|>

It's a shame that this page has, or has almost fallen to the level that it reached some four months ago. Not to be a prude but it is unfortunate that Tom has to edit some posts, however I hope those that have a real interest in Huatulco can see beyond the transparent comments of a few who only want to fuel the fires. We would like to visit this area soon, having been to many other areas of Mexico, but I guess we'll have to pick our time when the circus isn;t in town. Bob

I don't know what you guys require and there is plenty to choose from. Here are some suggestions. These are on Zicatela Beach and you could start at the Santa Fe and if you wanted you could leave your bags there and walk to the others that I will mention, to check them out. Your bags will be perfectly safe in the "lobby" of the Santa FE. I promise. If you want real nice but relatively expensive go to the Santa Fe. I think around $100 US and good restaurant & 2 pools. Next is Las Olas. Run by a Dutch mother daughter duo. Clean. $30-$40 I think. They have dogs which I am cool with but some people could do without. Arco Iris is down the street and kind of mid range about $35-$40. Has a pool. Bring bug repellent. It is right in the middle of things. Has a decent restaurant. A lot of people stay a little further down at the "Ines" hotel. About the same price as the Arco. Has pool. If bungalows are what you want a little further is Rockaway. Has pool and is very clean. Rocky runs a tight ship. Another nice place not on Zicatela is Flor de Maria. Good food, nice people, pool on the roof, around $50. Maybe less. Taxis will know all of these places. Taxis are very cheap. $2 US. PB

Hey Jim if you do not have a place in Huatulco I just opened a new B&B here called the Huatulco B&B. My site should be done soon so you can see what we have done here. Located 3 blocks walk to Cafe Dublin (my watering hole) write me at curtmorrow@aol.com for more infoe if you are still looking. Victor knows me and my place well.

Frank you have way too many cervecas in your microwave. Bob

there is no snorkling at the beach. the water is too rough and there is a bad undertow there, but there are plenty of places to go to if you just ask at the hotel. Have fun in huatulco

las brisas use to be club med, been there and it's very secluded and kind of hard to get to town from, pick another hotel, try the barcello it's nice. just spent the holidays there and loved it.

get your hair braided and forget about it. i had my hair braided for over 6 days and it looked great. just don't forget the sunscreen your head will burn. sit back and let the ladies a the beach take care of it, you won't be sorry

we spent the holidays there and loved it. you made a good hotel choice now just sit back and enjoy your holiday.

Ah Yes, Right Wing. I remember that Amsterdam was one of the last places that "excepted" (I think you mean accepted) many people back in the early 40's before some other Right-Wingers exported them to concentration camps. I haven't been to Amsterdam, haven't spent much time in Huatulco for that matter -don't think I will now - but, folks, I haven't experienced hostility anywhere south of the border like I just have in these few > One certifiably bored with his mistress so he's technically an alcoholic

Bohemia is a Sol product and not available in all bars, if a bar or restaurant has signed an exclusivity deal with Corona or Sol, they're not allowed to sell the other's products. Most restaurants and bars prefer to deal with Corona. I think La Crema is one of the few establishments that do sell both camp's products. Vic.

Agreed Frank, that road is a dual carriageway, well maintained, billiard table-esque in smoothness and completely safe if you ride with normal awareness. Vic.

Thanks Mtn, I just got off the phone with a Mr Bin Laden, he said he tried it once but the resulting electric shock rendered him a slabbering > Michael, gay people are everywhere, Huatulco included, I can assure you that you will never encounter any hostility in Huatulco towards gays. It's probably the most easy going place in the world, everyone's having too good a time to care about the sexual orientation of the person next to them. If some people would concentrate on improving their own sad, meaningless lives instead of verbally abusing others from the safety of their keyboards, maybe they'd have a chance of finding happiness. It's a known fact that people condemn in others, what they fear most in themselves. Lighten up folks, this is a BBS on Huatulco, not the Last Judgement, live and let live.

Warning...warning... Just returned from the Barcelo in Huatulco via Air Transat on the 24th Jan...we were there two weeks....while it was very relaxing, something that seemed to happen despite some issues the hotel had. The food for the most part sucks...breakfast is okay if you get up early (by 7am) and get to the restaurant before the lineups form for an omlet or cooked eggs and fresh food. Somedays lunch and dinner were just plain gross! Recycled from the day or two before in a "sauce". I read some other reviews of this hotel, but there seems to be a variance in what people will accept as edible. If you live on take out or frozen dinner type food on a regular basis then you might feel the selection is good...but if you have tastebuds...not at all. The service was highly irregular. Everything from room cleaning to getting a drink. This is no four and a half star hotel. Maybe a three. There were several people we spoke with who were preparing letters of complaint. Take your own hairdryer...ours was so old and dangerous the only way I could use it was to wrap a facecloth around the grip as it got so hot. Chairs around the pool and beach under palapa's are gone by 6:30am. Get up early and reserve with your towel or book and shoes despite what they tell you not to do. As for someplace to eat...go into La Cucecita...eat at El Patio....it was awesome. Ate there four times. It costs $2.00 US to go into town...there is way more in La Cucecita than in Santa Cruz...(P.S. Stay away from the Silver Store in Santa Cruz...near the marina...it was way overpriced!) The waitress there is very helpful and speaks English pretty well. We sent several people from the hotel there and everyone had a wonderful meal there...enjoy yourself despite my negative comments...there appeared to be more interest in looking after the guest as we left...they actually had a drink of the day at the bar....the day we left...first time for everything!

Hola Check out my reply to Anna in Toronto to see how our visit was....just got back...it will give you some > Las Brisas has been closed for sometime....they were opening it up this week...construction continues on part of it. We just came back from the Barcelo and watched for the two weeks we were there what was going on...which was nothing...nobody by the pool...nobody on the beach until our last day when we saw 6 people on one beach...the plane we met with had guests who were going to stay there...so you won't get much in the way of reviews as it has not been open. It is going to be huge when it is done.

Vic, If your extension cord will reach, take out a few tuneros also. Mike

We appreciate all the advise, our whole family is looking forward to coming down next week, anxious to explore what sounds like a bit of paradise. Something out of the closing scene in Shawshank Redemption.

Read somewhere on this forum that people sometimes bring clothes down for the locals. Got two teen boys who have clothes that they've never worn that we'd like to give away. Where can we drop it off??

Just got home yesterday!! We had a wonderful time!! there were 14 couples that went and did we have the time of our lives. We have been to other places in Mexico but this one takes the cake. Some of us did the day tour on the catamaran, and it was an amazing day. Some of us just sat back and enjoyed the resort at Barcelo, the food was great, the people were wonderful, the drinks were plenty. (be sure to ask for a "ticket to fly", its a drink that has wayyyy too much booze in it, but sure was tasty. We met loads of people there too. Our rooms were nice and clean, the water was warm, no boogie boards though. We did go sailing everyday. One day we went deep sea fishing and came back with 8 yellow fin tuna, nice and big. Took a cab to the nearby villages, and also checked out the flea markets. I have lots of digital pics if your interested email me and i can send them. In all we had an excelent holliday! We would recomend this place to anyone, the beauty and the weather are like a piece of heaven! Hola! ~Jackie~

......if you can find a way to bring me a couple of cans of Guinness, I'll perform Gene Kelly's "Singing in the Rain" scene for you!

i bring clothes and toys everytime i come down. go see senor VALENTINO on the beach in front of gala or barcelo hotel... if he is not there ask for him,,everyone knows him on the beach...hes a local fisherman. he will either take you directly to his poor village to hand them out yourself or he can do it for you.... when will you be in town ???

Ralph, the local Rotary Club meets every Wednesday 8PM, at The Hotel Marlin in Santa Cruz, they care for under privilaged kids. Depending on how much stuff you have, if you like I'll pick you and the stuff up at your hotel and take you there. If you prefer you can just get a taxi by yourself. My location, can be found on the map at <www.freewebs.com/cafe_dublin/> if you need my help come and see us. Vic.

guess ill have to pack away a 6 pack of guiness sounds like your in need how about draught???

hello vic whats up 11;35 am

I just got back from the marina and am lucky to be alive. Having dressed up in my ski gear to look like a Navy Seal, I joined 76 extention cords together to get the power from my house to the marina, jumped in with a Black & Decker 1/2" Chuck Drill complete with 1/2" masonary bit (in case of barnicle build up on the hull) and almost drowned due to getting tangled up by the cord. When I started drilling the hull, the bit got stuck in a rivet and I ended up rotating violently in the water, like some flimsy, star shaped, black propeller, to the extent that I floated out looking like The Michelin Man completely wrapped in orange extention cord. I'm going to look into a 12v battery drill as soon as I can get out of this orange cord suit. Vic.

Hello Frank, just woke up and am trying to shake off the couple of Jamesons I had as a nightcap. My mouth tastes like a rat slept in it!

God bless ya Frank! Actually the draught comes in 4 packs, so you can either bring 4 or 8...I'd go for the 8 as it will give your luggage a more balanced feel.

Just spent 15 days in Hux and also was the 10th year in a row at the Sheraton/Barcelo. The hotel is not the same as it was a few years ago but the only thing I see that has gone down is the food. I gather this from people I meet as I wouldn't ever go All-Inclusive, and I only ate breakfast there a few times and it was an OK buffet for breadfast. I recommend everyone to visit Huatulco and dine with the locals at their establishments in Santa Cruz and especially La Cruciceta. For breakfast the Oasis and Los Portalas in Cruciceta are by far the best. For dinner in the evening, the best are Los Portalas for Al Pastor, a specialty, El Patio, which is really an up and comer and trying really hard with excellent food such as seafood,Oaxacan, pollo, and just about anything you tell the waitress you would like and also the French Restaurant at the Hotel Marlin in Santa Cruz. This place is owned by Ms. Anne Gillett and serves only french food and wonderful desserts. The Oasis Restaurants are good as always,(both of them) and El Patas is great for anything seafood.For pizza, La crema was great as we tried it more than once.Also Los Almendros, which is a family owned restaurant about 3 1/2 blocks from Oasis off Zocalo is good. This year I did not care for the Italian restaurant and also El Sabor, as the only thing that seems to change is the price and not the flavor. Going back to the Barcelo, it is a bummer to have to get up so early for chairs by the ocean and pool but it has been that way for the last few years. Only thing worse about it, is having to listen to people fighting like kids over who was first or already had towels on them. Our rooms have always been clean, and this year hot water was in great supply as it wasn't for the last few years. There is very poor service by the pool by waiters and waitresses but when I asked someone in management why this is so I was told because they want everyone to go All Inclusive. Not a good answer, but at least an answer. For trips on the ocean, there are some really good young men there to serve you all with your fishing needs, bay tours, snorkeling trips with stops at other beaches for lunch or 4-wheeling and whitewater rafting on the Copalita river. Also trips are available for tours to Puerto Angel, Zipolite, Augustonillo, or St. Maria Huatulco. Jesus Vasquez is probably the most versatile of all the young men on the beach as he speaks fluent English, French, some German, and of course his native Spanish. Jesus also offers tours of all day to his home town, called Benito Juarez about 40 minutes past St. Maria Huatulco, and takes you to his parents primitive holdings, and visits to the village and to the school he attended as a child. Then if you want he will take you to a restaurant for lunch and then to Puerto Angel and other communities. Jesus is available on the internet at sharkv74@yahoo.com. Tell Jesus what you are looking for and when you are coming and he will email you back and also give you his cell phone number which he answers 24 hours a day. 2 of his good friends who also own boats are Roberto Ortiz, and Eutichio(nickname is Rich Light Man) These men from the beach have just bought a 48 foot larger boat for groups and deep see fishing called Zorro. Give them an email and they are ready to go. This year in Cruciceta there seemed to be a much more relaxed atmosphere in the sales areas and more articles for sale. And a few of my friends went to the Dublin Bar a few times and yes they said it is a very nice place for a relaxing evening. I didn't make it, as for years I have always stopped at the Iguana Bar for a few cervazas before dinner. Sorry Victor I promise I will stop next trip. I was by your establishment a few times but you weren't open till later. Many other wonderful places of business to stop at in both of the villages and also down at the end of Avenue Chahue where there are a lot of new nice places to eat, drink and also new hotels. Have made reservations for 15 rooms for next Jan. 10 for 15 days or whatever the folks who come along want to stay. There is not better place than PARADISE!

keith wrote: > Just spent 15 days in Hux and also was the 10th year in a row > at the Sheraton/Barcelo. The hotel is not the same as it was a > few years ago but the only thing I see that has gone down is > the food. I gather this from people I meet as I wouldn't ever > go All-Inclusive, and I only ate breakfast there a few times > and it was an OK buffet for breadfast. I recommend everyone to > visit Huatulco and dine with the locals at their establishments > in Santa Cruz and especially La Cruciceta. For breakfast the > Oasis and Los Portalas in Cruciceta are by far the best. For > dinner in the evening, the best are Los Portalas for Al Pastor, > a specialty, El Patio, which is really an up and comer and > trying really hard with excellent food such as seafood,Oaxacan, > pollo, and just about anything you tell the waitress you would > like and also the French Restaurant at the Hotel Marlin in > Santa Cruz. This place is owned by Ms. Anne Gillett and serves > only french food and wonderful desserts. The Oasis Restaurants > are good as always,(both of them) and El Patas is great for > anything seafood.For pizza, La crema was great as we tried it > more than once.Also Los Almendros, which is a family owned > restaurant about 3 1/2 blocks from Oasis off Zocalo is good. > This year I did not care for the Italian restaurant and also El > Sabor, as the only thing that seems to change is the price and > not the flavor. > > Going back to the Barcelo, it is a bummer to have to get up > so early for chairs by the ocean and pool but it has been that > way for the last few years. Only thing worse about it, is > having to listen to people fighting like kids over who was > first or already had towels on them. > Our rooms have always been clean, and this year hot water was > in great supply as it wasn't for the last few years. > There is very poor service by the pool by waiters and > waitresses but when I asked someone in management why this is > so I was told because they want everyone to go All Inclusive. > Not a good answer, but at least an answer. > For trips on the ocean, there are some really good young men > there to serve you all with your fishing needs, bay tours, > snorkeling trips with stops at other beaches for lunch or > 4-wheeling and whitewater rafting on the Copalita river. Also > trips are available for tours to Puerto Angel, Zipolite, > Augustonillo, or St. Maria Huatulco. > > Jesus Vasquez is probably the most versatile of all the young > men on the beach as he speaks fluent English, French, some > German, and of course his native Spanish. Jesus also offers > tours of all day to his home town, called Benito Juarez about > 40 minutes past St. Maria Huatulco, and takes you to his > parents primitive holdings, and visits to the village and to > the school he attended as a child. Then if you want he will > take you to a restaurant for lunch and then to Puerto Angel and > other communities. Jesus is available on the internet at > sharkv74@yahoo.com. Tell Jesus what you are looking for and > when you are coming and he will email you back and also give > you his cell phone number which he answers 24 hours a day. 2 of > his good friends who also own boats are Roberto Ortiz, and > Eutichio(nickname is Rich Light Man) These men from the beach > have just bought a 48 foot larger boat for groups and deep see > fishing called Zorro. Give them an email and they are ready to > go. > > This year in Cruciceta there seemed to be a much more relaxed > atmosphere in the sales areas and more articles for sale. And a > few of my friends went to the Dublin Bar a few times and yes > they said it is a very nice place for a relaxing evening. I > didn't make it, as for years I have always stopped at the > Iguana Bar for a few cervazas before dinner. Sorry Victor I > promise I will stop next trip. I was by your establishment a > few times but you weren't open till later. > Many other wonderful places of business to stop at in both of > the villages and also down at the end of Avenue Chahue where > there are a lot of new nice places to eat, drink and also new > hotels. > > Have made reservations for 15 rooms for next Jan. 10 for 15 > days or whatever the folks who come along want to stay. > There is not better place than PARADISE!

no ,, i was just at the liquor store the draught is 6 packs not 4 ....how about------- murphys irish pub ale in 16 oz.er's, they got that too........this is chicago,,,,,we got it all.

Frank, that Murphy's Ale is good stuff, I don't want to ask for everything! I'm sure your space in luggage is limited. I'll leave it up to you. Those 6 packs are cans or bottles?

Anyone been there and can comment on the food, service and atmosphere? Thanks

Frank are you shure you lived in Key West Fla for a long time? How could you carry on like this and live THERE. Why I ask is it some obligation to respond so rudely to this person? And Michael1713 why would you expose such a private portion of your life in a public chat forum. Does it make any difference in where you go to see more of this world? Huatulco is a great destination with cooool runin waters and has no problemas as to your concerns. How did that song go - All We Need Is LOVE! You can find love every where here especially at Cafe Dublin. And your welcome to come over to the Huatulco B&B - Mi Casa.

Greetings; My name is Jesus Vasquez, and I am a tour guide and fishing boat operator in Huatulco. My email address is sharkv74@yahoo.com.If you can contact me before you arrive in Hux I will meet you on the beach in front of your hotel or at any other location you so want. I can assist you with making your vacation a pleasant experience and I guarantee I do my best to help you in any way I can. I offer deep sea fishing, small fish trips, bay tours with snorkeling and lunch offered at a different beach, 4-wheeling, and also white-water rafting on the Copalita river. I also offer personal tours of the area to include a visit to my home town in the mountains and other beautiful communities in the area. Again contact me at sharkv74@yahoo.com and I will return an answer as soon as possible. Take care and hope to see you soon. Jesus Je suis Jesus Vasquez, et AM un operateur de guide d'excursion et de bateau de peche dans Huatulco,Mexique. Mon email address est sharkv74@yahoo.com. lf que vous me contactez avant que vous arriviez je vous rencontriez devant votre hotel sur la plage pendant que vous demandez moi ou n'importe quel autre endroit vous ainsi indiquez. J'offre des voyages de peche, de petits poissons et poisson d'eau de mer profond, excursions de compartiment avec snorkeling et dejeuner sur une plage fers le haut de la cote; 4-wheeling les voyages, et voyages blancs de l'eau sur le Copalita river. Also je ferai des excursions personnalisees a ma ville natale dans les montagnes et egalement a tous les autres endroits uniques que vous pouvez vouloir pour voir svp l'email j'un sharkv74@yahoo.com. JESUS Ich bin Jesus Vasquez und morgens ein operator des tourfuhrers und des Fischerbootes in Huatulco Mexiko. Mein email address ist sharkv74@yahoo.com. lf, das Sie mit mir in Verbindung treten, bevor Sie ich treffen Sie vor Ihrem Hotel auf dem Strand, wahrend Sie um mich bitten oder jedem moglichem anderen Platz Sie ankommen, also kennzeichnen Sie. Ich biete Fischenreisen, klein Fische und tiefe Hochsee fischerei, Buchttouren mit dem Snorkeling und Mittagessen auf einem Strand herauf die Kuste an; 4-wheeling Reisen und weise Wasserreisen aus dem Copalita river. Also tue ich personifizierte Touren zu meinem Hometown in den Bergen und auch zu allen anderen einzigartigen Platzen, die sie email bitte sehen wunschen konnen ich ein sharkv74@yahoo.com. JESUS [%sig%]

Kathy, Esteban Monje at 044-958-589-0652 (local cell number in Huatulco has a big new ACed van seats 10 comfortably cost is $120USD for a 10 to 12 hour day go where you want. Buying his food and soft drinks is expected. He will not drink and work as a rule. Speaks good English. You can contact me if you want to discuss some of the "where's" around here. I own the Huatulco B&B, my name is Curt and my home # here in Huatulco is 583-4132. Enjoy!!!!

Fellow Huatulco Lovers, I've just figured a way to beat the 50 image maximum allowed on my free website, (you'd need a free one too if you tried operating a business here!), by pasting 4 photos together to make one image. So, I've posted some more aerial shots I took, with Mike Knight's help in his wee plane, on www.freewebs.com/cafe_dublin/ A couple of the beaches I've left untitled as I've no > My Partner and I just returned from the Barcelo Huatulco. (Partner, meaning my Boyfriend). We had a wonderful stay at this hotel. We found the Hotel to be very Gay Friendly. We were one of say 5 to 6 Gay Couples I spotted at the hotel during our week. There were also a number of Gay employees working for the hotel. In visiting some of the local establishments in town -- it was a real mixed environment. Yes, Mostly Straight; however, you did see the occasional Gay Single or Couple, Japanese family, Inter-racial couple, Black girlfriends, Italian Man, Aunt, Uncle, Grandma... etc. etc. "Just People Being People." We found the people of Huatulco to be both tolerant and welcoming.

Yes, I've been there. Very nice atmosphere - right on the beach. Get the seafood platter for two !!! (It's enought for 4). Also, best Margaritas in Huatulco ! Enjoy !

one of the best in santa cruz. ive eaten there many times

enough with gays on this web page. they are twisting are morals enough in american society and our children in school .we dont need it on this web page . just drop it!! [%sig%] Post Edited (01-26-03 12:08)

all bottles murphys cans

Why, Frank? You've solicited for women to be riders on your drive down, dates, etc. Isn't it just as much a site for all who enjoy Paradise or is it only for those who agree with you? It's quite valid for someone of an alternative lifestyle to write so that they may try to ascertain their safety in the spot they are considering for a vacation. And it is a VERY safe place for straights and gays. And the merchants certainly don't want to scare off a potential ten percent or more of their possible clientele by NOT refuting anti-gay sentiments.

Does the Rotary Club meet on a year-round basis, we will be coming in June and had planned on bringing down a suitcase of things to 'donate'. Also, are there any items of particular need? Thanks

the kids like toys too. bring small dolls and action figures.

We have just returned from Barcelo Huatulco, stayed there for two weeks (January 9 - 23, 2003). We loved the hotel and the beach. Stayed, in my opinion, in the best wiew room, # 352 - which is directly overlooking the beach, the ocean and the little island, gorgeous palms etc..... Food was good. Did not like the service and the food at the fancy Italian restaurant, took very long for an average food... Liked the restaurant beside the beach for breakfast and lunch. Swiming pool was very nice, ocean wonderful. Take a walk the left of the hotel, cross the little rocks beside the Gala hotel, and you will be in another beach front of the Zasheela Real, walk a little further to the end of the beach. It is so gorgeous there. We rent a car, Nissan Centra and did a 2 days trip to Oaxaca city. Took the hgw 200 to Salina Cruz, and than 190 to Mitla, went to see the Hierve el Aqua (very bad road), than we went to el Tule tree (2000 y. old , oldest and largest in the world). We wisited the Mitla ruins - small compare to Monte Alban, which is just outside the Oaxaca City, it is amazing... Than we took the HGW 175 down to Puerto Angel and back to the resort. The roads are VERY curvy, but in good condition. The mountains are just unbelievably beautiful, It changes from very dry subtropics to a high altitude greenery, reminded as of Alps. Temperature there was about 10C. We also took the Barcelo organized trip to the seven bay boat tour and snorkling. This was very good. Took the organized shopping tour US $ 20.00, which I did not like. I think is better to hire a taxi driver to show you around. There was a guy - called himself Raymond(suubrban truck # 014), who we took as a guide to show us around. Took us the the Santa Maria Huatulco town, also took us to some of the hotels on Tangolunda Bay - Hotel Quinta Real has wonderful view... We really loved our vacation. Wish you all the best. Hana

Anyone know what the season for marlin or sword is? Who's the fishinh guru in Huatulco... I am looking for a larger boat that has good results... doen't have to be durring the high season... Any help would be appreciated guys !! Rick

Orale my buen Sharky! Ahora si me apantallaste. Saludos de tu camarada. Charlie. [%sig%]

our experience is that the restaurants on the water in Santa Cruz are actually pretty interchangeable. Ve El Mar is the best known for some reason, but is really no better or worse than the adjacent restaurants. All are equally informal but quite atmospheric - watching the moon come up over the mountains, with the waves lapping at the shore only yards away, is hard to beat - and all have good but not great food, with prices higher than elsewhere but still cheap by US standards.

I have been very quiet during this rampage on the gay thing. I would of thought living that close to Chicago you would of been more open minded. We should all be open minded to others. How can one person judge another? We are all people. Just relax and let people ask questions on the board. This is just my opinion. Thank You.

Hi Ralph. My name is Carlos Ramos (best known as Charlie). I am PADI scuba diving instructor and I work in the dive center located inside the Barcelo Resort. The history about the donations started a couple of years ago, when somebody asked about bringing some used clothes and wishing to give them to the people in need. I suggested to give the donations to "El Nuevo Amanecer" (New Sunrise) a non for profit center created years ago and built with the effort of several locals to fullfill the necesity of a center to provide care of people (specially kids) with different capacities. I suggested this organization because I participated with them in some beach-snorkeling picnics held in La Entrega beach during the "Children Day" (April 30) and I got moved with all this kids (Down, cerebral paralitycs, blinds, etc) having fun snorkeling helped by their relatives, teachers, psychologists, and a bunch of volunteers asisting them to enjoy the magic and beauty of the coral reef of La Entrega. The response of the people like you was very impressive: almost every day during the winter, me or my wife used to take people to the center to deliver the donations and to allow them to know more about it. The list of persons involved with this action is very large! By the same time, my friend Frank (aka as one thousand of akas) suggested to give the donations to the poor people of a even poorer village near to Huatulco. Valentino, the Freesbeeman, lives in that area and he has taken lots of tourists there to give the donations directly to the kids of his village. Both options are worth and equally appreciated. Last year, some members of the Rotary Club decided to get a piece of land and raise funds to build a new center for the Nuevo Amanecer. That deserves a big big aplause, and hopefully the center will be a reality soon. I don't know the details, because I'm not Rotary and I don't go to their meetings, but I think they are doing their best to achieve their goal. But if you can't wait until the Rotary's meeting, or if you are going to stay in the Tangolunda's resorts (Barcelo, Gala) I could take you to the Nuevo Amanecer place (as I've done many times) to drop your donation and let you know first hand the wonderful job this people is doing for the handicaped, or if you decide to give it to the poors of the village, contact me at the Barcelo (ask for water sports or dial ext 842 if you are hosted in the hotel) and I'll introduce you with Valentino. He'll be glad and hapy to show you his neighborhood! If you review the old visitors comments (just click the link in the upper part of this page, 2000, 2001 and 2002) you may have an > Scott. Of course Hurricane Divers is an option to dive and I would be more than happy to provide you our services. We are located right inside the Barcelo, in the water sports facility. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. www.bahiasplus.com/huatulcoscuba ACTION SPORTS MARINA & SCUBA BARCELO HUATULCO BEACH RESORT Carlos C. Ramos PADI Inst. 157092 DAN Inst. 10451 [%sig%] Post Edited (01-26-03 00:44)

Georgia, as far as I'm aware they meet year round. Vic.

Do they not do the cans of draught Guinness anymore?

hey vic,,, i went out bar hopping to night which i never do,,, and hit so many irish pubs in chicago you cant imagine. after 3 or 4 pubs i finally found the tyrconell with the race horse on the ;label which i had a feww ... i half to go to bed now.....see yoo soon

From some comments added to your initial inquiry, I want to add some pointers. Despite what has been said about the great time had by some, (just having returned from Barcelo from two weeks vacation) the great food etc..there are some things you need to know...there was a couple groups of people who took over the pool bar and the service went in their direction because of their loud and abnoxious behavior. They went on holiday and spent most of their time in the pool bar. They were overbearing and rude, including jumping over the bar and helping themselves when the "service" was not up to their speed. One French Canadian from a group, took over the entertainers microphone one evening and screeched and screamed some sort of symphony until the room cleared and security was left standing in awe of this display of this crass behavior. Quotes..."they're not going to forget us!!" were heard from a group of "Canadians". They didn't care about the fact that there were other people also on vacation who did not need to hear their crude, loud behavior. The piano player told us he was "thanking god they were gone" after the group left back to Canada. Why some people feel it necessary to behave like animals so they can claim they had a good time is beyond me. The hotel itself is in a beautiful location. Not far from the airport and not far from the two towns nearby. Take a taxi into either Santa Cruz or La Cucecita. Shopping in La Cucecita is better as are the choice of restaurants. However, when one is going to a 4 1/2 star hotel, they would expect that they would eat mostly at the hotel they are staying in. Not so at this place. The food is not good. It is repetitive and sometimes just bad. There is always plenty of fresh pineapple, melon, cantaloupe. Salad fixings varied from okay to brown and wilted. One day the melon had been partly frozen. Tomatoes, cucumbers varied in quality and availability. The meat choices were horrible (with the exception of the barbequed chicken). If you are a hamburger fan...lunch will keep you fed as they fry up hamburgers at lunch. Soup is available but beware....one day the soup had hot dogs in it!! Desserts and bread/rolls were available to fill in, but with varying degrees of quality and taste. They have ice cream, but you have to ask for it...the vanilla was awesome. The ala carte restaurant is a joke. As stated by a reviewer, took too long for ordinary food...nobody there to seat you when you come into the restaurant until you go to seat yourself and then someone came running...dress code in effect...men need pants...but then again...the second time we ate there a bunch showed up in shorts...first time the guy was asked to go get pants on, second time...nobody cared...and they can't make a spanish coffee or anything like that...they just bring you basic food on a plate with a silver dome on it and call it a specialty restaurant...Mexican Italian...no not Mexican and Italian...just Mexican Italian...why they didn't stick to what they know how to prepare is again a mystery. Oaxaca is supposed to have some excellent cuisine...could they not have served it here? There is two regular restaurants here...they only open both at breakfast...both with outdoor eating areas but both with the same food for breakfast...La Tortuga, serves a little later than the other...Lunch is always at La Tortuga...and is cramped up and overloaded at lunch...go early.....Supper is sometimes served in the ballroom with the show...I will leave the show up to you...as this type of thing is up to the individual...some loved it...some stayed away. Lunch is a fight with birds...the seagulls got a little aggressive when we were at the end of our second week...stealing food off of plates... In La Cucecita go to the El Patio, Oasis or to the Iguana. El Patio was wonderful atmosphere and food. They have huge Jumbo Shrimp for $180 pesos...$18 U.S. or have a whole fried Red Snapper....they will also grill it for you on an outdoor barbeque but the bones become a bit of a hassle...easier to get out of the fried fish. Steak is also great here. Have a Cappacino after supper...dessert in a cup! And the Limonada is great here...just perfect to cool off before you dig into the Victoria beer. At the Iguana beware of the salsa and mixed vegetable bowl they serve with the tortilla's....FIRE!!! Don Pofinos, near the hotel and their "crazy lobster" apparently is not great..we did not go but heard from others it was not good. We tipped the maid in our room on a regular basis..we got swans and butterflies and flowers on the bed every time. A nice treat to come back to the room. Rooms are clean...changed sheets and towels everyday.. things are a little rough around the edges...basic finishing...were on the fifth floor and had a great view of the sunrise everyday. No bugs in the room. The elevators are a bit scary...but seem to work okay. They were doing repairs on things while we were there for some inspection being made by Barcelo, so things spruced up all over the first week. The mini bar has two soft drinks-non Pepsi/Coke and two Pepsi/Coke..four bottles of water and two mini corona's. That's it. Some people didn't get their minibar restocked...or it was only partly refilled. Don't expect a stocked beer fridge...two sips and the Corona is gone. Change your towels at the end of the day and put them out next day on your favourite chair by 6:30am or you won't get a place to sit. They are all gone first thing in the morning...sometimes chairs were gone by 5am in prime areas. You will need a palapa...that sun is so strong...two weeks and I got such a tan! I used 15 sunscreen and it just sweated off or got washed off in the ocean or pool. The pool is too small for the size of the hotel...the kids pool is part of the main pool and although they specify "childrens area and adults only" area ...kids are all over. The hotel has organized tours...through Apple or Air Transat...but as per Keith's message...go see they guys on the beach. Air Transat clients were told not to go with the guys on the beach or they would be left stranded overnight on some beach someplace....B.S.......that means Air Transat doesn't get a piece of the action....the guys on the beach all have plastic I.D. tags...some kind of "union" to keep the service quality and price standard...they do this for a living...lots of people went out with them and came back happy...after a day or two you will see on the beach who you should approach or contact the fellows who have messages on this site for info for fishing or tours...Eduardo in the lobby can set you up with an English speaking taxi driver to take you on tour wherever and however long you want...buy the driver lunch and give him a tip...go for a walk....it is a nice stroll early in the morning when it is cool....take water...nobody bothered us. There is a safe feeling here. There is a Scotiabank in Santa Cruz...A Bital Bank machine in a little glass building right outside the entrance to Barcelo...in La Cucecita there is a Scotiabank ATM and a Banomex ATM. Funds in peso's...so it is really nice to see your bank balance....used the Bital machine with no problems. $2.50 fee to take out the funds withdrawn from the account. On check in you need to get a lock for the safe in your room...they give you two towel cards and a remote for the TV...if any of it is lost....big fees in US dollars is charged to your room. The hotel has a good doctor, who I saw (unfortunately). Speaks english too. The hotel has lots to do waterwise....catamarans, kayaks...snorkel...people snorkeled around the island in front of the hotel. We had rough waves a few days that prevented snorkeling there. Beach vendors are always around...hoping to sell you silver, blankets, carvings, necklaces made of shell, hair braids, t-shirts...even bathing suits and coverups..bargain with them. We watched a fellow dive for oysters...then later he comes up the beach to sell fresh raw oysters with lime and hot sauce...never had the guts to try it... You will have a great time here with a little forewaring....Hope this helps...and a footnote to all those people who feel the need to come to a vacation spot and act like those insolent and arrogant touristas who give Canadians a bad name....I hope you got Montezuma's Revenge!! Hola

My brother and i are going down to club barcelo next thursday and we promised our friends that we would bring them homer some stuff. I was just wondering where i can buy sunglasses potery and some chains.

HI I'm a 13 year old from canada and I was just wondering how big the waves are down in club barcelo. My brother and i want to go swimming in the waves. We were also wondering hopw quickly the water drops off down there.

We just returned from Huatulco, taking down a couple of bags of clothing for donation. We gave them to Valentino on the beach. Just look for the man with the frisbee in front of the Gala. His English is excellent (better than mine at times !!) , and he will offer to take you to his town to see the clothes donated directly. We didn't go with him, but were really touched by the gesture. It just adds to the whole Huatulco experience ! JOHN [%sig%]

are there any places to go four wheeling in bercelo and huatulco.

Hey Vic, will be down on the 15th of Feb....they have draught Guniness in cans in Chicago ...will bring some.

Good night Frank.

God blesses the mother of a brewer! And yourself Randy, thanks.

THANKS for understanding and writing in, Victor, Curt, David, John, Jam. Brightens my day! Guess I will include Huatulco on my itinerary this time around after all. Just long enough to convert or pervert Chicago Frank <wink> ... relax, Frank ... you're not my type. Curt, I "exposed such a private portion of my life" here in response to josua's question: "where can I meet gay people"? If a single straight gay asked "Hey, where can I meet women?" - would you think he was exposing such a private portion of his life? Well, if so they do it all the time. especially in vacation spots... even if they're just looking for a drink, not for sex. Same with us gay people, even for those that are already partnered. (Straight people, too. right? You like to be around other hetero couples, am I right?). So when we ask where can we meet other gay folks - it's not just for sex - it's for companionship, it's for friendship, it's for love when that happens and -sadly - it's for safety when we're threatened by folks who won't understand. Frank, I won't just drop it. (You don't have to open this > just wanted to say that I was part of that "Canadian Group" and never did WE jump the bar to get a drink, nor did we disturb the "quiet" pool. In fact by the end of our week we were no longer a group of just 14 but a group of many! If you were disturbed by us you should have moved to the "quiet pool". We also were bothered by the "louder French Canadians" as they were not polite, and were rather rude . So, we just moved away from them and let them have their fun. Too most around us, they enjoyed our company, and our conversation. That included the younger and the older crowd. If you did not like us....you should have moved. We must not have been to wild, we had a personal invite to the ala carte, as our group was too big, and we were not going to go. As well as the chef prepared a special meal as there were 18 of us dining. They also made a birthday cake for the 3 that were celebrating birthdays that night. I want to clear up that "the Canadians" were not at the looby bar long enough to make a noise, in the evening we were at the disco bar. Just so you know that was not us the piano player was talking about. We also never stole the mic, we watched the show just like you folks did, in fact a few nights some of us participated in it, as no one would volunter. They asked us if we would join in. We never had trouble getting a chair as we were up by 6:30, first come first serve i guess. But there seemed to be lots of chairs still left at 10:00. The mini bar in our room was fine, its not ment for a party,yes it is a 2 sip beer but nice at 10:30 when your sitting on the balcony and watching the resort ,Go to the bar for a beer and take it too your room if you really need more. We took a few tours from the guys off the beach, they were wonderful, and the price was right. Have a great time, its a place of beauty and wonder. a piece of heaven. ~the Canadians~ oh...by the way...we never got Montezuma's Revenge. but we sure as hell enjoyed our holiday, and made a great many friends! oh...to Hana...we "wild Canadians" were right beside you ..rooms 324 to 360...(did we bother you?)

give the beach towel man a big tip every few days,,,,say 100 pesos and your beach chairs will be waiting for you even if you sleep till 2!!!

Are you sure that they were not Americans with Canadian accents ?? Heh heh... JOHN

hello just woke up trying to shake off this hangover,,,,one to many tyrconnels, my mouth tastes like i ate a pair of old socks....think ill lay off thr booze for a while. was at a pub with at least 10 different irish and english beers on tap. i had lots of paddingtons(i think its called) english pub ale , really good stuff. had some funny ball in the can for the foam they say. think i saw a leprecon playing darts too..............

maybe they were anglo saxsons with canadian accents, could of been aussies too you know

That could just be the case...hee hee. I do know that there were TWO groups, and we were a tad loud our first day...but not nothing like that other group!! Hola~ *damn its cold here today*

yes

in town or right at your lounge chair on the beach from the beach people

should I have said that in my best accent?? hmmm let's try Spanish?? how bout......cerveza por favor? (note how I said please..Because I am polite)...hee hee

Paradise makes no distinction between gays and straights. As long as you are coming to Huatulco and spending money, you can be anything you want to be. Remember Frank, that intolerance of others isn't just rude, it is a sure fire way to get into trouble, whether it be in Huatulco, Chicago, or on the world stage. Lets all just be happy and get along !! My 2 Canadian cents !!

Michael, I'm glad you changed your mind. Huatulco is a very beautiful and special place. In all the time I've lived here I've never experienced the slightest bit of hostility towards anyone, for any reason, sexual orientation, race, creed etc..and I'm a bar owner and "on patrol" every single night! Both Café Dublin and La Crema enjoy the patronage of many local gay people, and I certainly hope, and beleive, that Lalo and I are not condemned to an eternity burning in hell for this!! For God's sake, let's live and let live, we can't all be white, Anglo-Saxon, hetrosexual, Christian, middle class and perfect at the same time. It's a lack of tolerance and understanding that flew 3 airliners into buildings in U.S.A. a while back, killing thousands of people...not to mention The Holocaust etc etc. Chill out and find something to love! Vic.

A Canadian and an American step up to the bar at the same time... how do you tell them apart ?? 1. The Canadian lets the American go first. 2. The Canadian orders twice as much. 3. The Canadian says "please" and "thank you" (probably in Spanish !!) Just a joke... and Have a Nice Day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JOHN

Couldn't have said it better myself Victor !!!! Cheers !! JOHN

Frank, I think you drank Boddingtons and it, like Guinness, contains a thing called a "widget" for releasing the gases that give them both their creamy heads. Was that leprechaun wearing a green suit and hat? If so tell the bastard he still owes me $50!! Vic.

While you may not have been part of that "Group" of fun seekers, you apparently got special treatment from the ala carte restaurant due to the size of your group. This also goes to show how uneven the service is at this hotel. Why should a large group get preferential treatment? The price was pretty similar for all of us who paid to go to the same hotel. As for the "Quiet" pool...pretty hard to go anywhere as the pools are all connected with service at two bars a hundred feet apart...we did go down the beach to get away from the noise. Also as an additional piece of info, there was only a couple days during our week at the beach location that someone (Maria) came and asked if we wanted a drink...but only two or three times in the day. We spoke with someone who stayed at the Barcelo in Ixtapa who said they had drink service every 15 minutes at their hotel...not that you necessarily needed it every 15 minutes, just to demonstrate the difference in the Barcelo service at different resorts. P.S. They too complained of the French Canadian take over of their hotel and entertainment. As a matter of fact, they were upset to the point they were going to complain to Barcelo about the hotel letting that occur. Apparently someone thought Sangria was for pouring on guests and liked to throw people including the staff into the pool...maybe they were blessed with Montezuma's Revenge!

Mtn. Scott, Action Sports Marina at the Barcelo is also an excellent dive shop. They are PADI certified and Charlie is an excellent dive guide. I have dove with Charlie for many years and had some of my best dives with him. Unfortunately the ship wrecks are now gone, but there are still a lot of other things to see. I have seen many octopus there, (with thanks to Charlie's trained eye). Large groupers, dolphins, countless puffer fish, many rays, turtles, and an occasional seahorse. Boy I wish I was going there now. Well have some great dives and have a beer for me at Victor's bar. I was there when he was remodeling it, but had to leave just before he opened :(

None of that crap went on at the Gala last week !! Service there is the same for everyone ! JOHN

I hope that no one was blessed with Montezuma's Revenge, as that is not the Canadian way to say hope your holliday was good. If a good time was not had , then perhaps look deeper into your travel books and go to a place that is "quiet" . As for our price of travel...we got it "cheaper by the dozen", Air Transat group rate. I will say that "Maria" came to us every 30 mins, a few pesos go a long way. Sorry if we were a bother to you..we never ment to be. Hola~

Love that joke John, i gota remember that one!

I received a request to delete some of the comments in this > it drops off almost instantly as you step off shore, be carefull. have your folks keep an eye on you if swimming and watch out for the giant sea serpent who lurks in the deep....and yes somedays there can be big waves it depends on the wind but if they are big while your there ,,use caution they can knock you down pretty good and also pull you back out with them. if you want nice beaches you can walk way out in,,,go to playa santa cruz(which i prefer) or playa la entrega which has a coral reef right up to the shore you can snorkel over. they are both less then 10 minutes by cab. have a nice stay,huatulco is great for familys. [%sig%] Post Edited (01-26-03 12:16)

will this gay > maybe i should complain to president bush about america being taken over too.

Good for you Tom. In my opinion you made a very wise decision. Most of the time these heated "discussions" work themselves out on their own. There is a lot of things to be learned about people and places if one reads between the lines of this > Costa Club's (The Castillo) beach club is in Chahue Bay, not Tangalunda. The shuttle leaves every half hour, I think, and its only 3 minutes from the hotel. The facility is beautiful, and very quiet and peaceful. No beach venders, but we did get our hair braided there. It is also the home to the laziest waiter in the state of Oaxaca. Don't expect any service on the beach, just get your own..... maria (hope this works, I'm having a hard time posting my messages.....)

Check the Apple vacations website for their "sizzling specials." Personally, I think the girls would be happier at the Castillo, which would make your wallet happier as well. We just spent a week at the Castillo, air and hotel, for about half the price you quoted. Its a nice hotel and a great location. College age girls aren't going to want to be couped up at a resort anyway. The night life, shopping and restaurants are mostly in La Crucecita, Santa Cruz and Chahue these days. The better snorkelling beaches are also away from Tangalunda. Let them have an adventure! maria

Hey, I've got to plug my friend Charlie as well! He's a great instructor and he knows all the good sites! maria

We just got back in the wee hours this am. We met a wonderful "muchacho" on Playa Entrega, Jose. He has a panga, the Tangalo, and took us on our own private bay tour. It was fabulous!! Trip report to follow when I get a bit more settled! maria (wishing I was still there.....)

Check apple vacations website, and seriously consider the Castillo. Its probably about half the price of the Tangolunda hotels. Its a nice hotel in a great location, and I think college age girls would be much happier closer to town and where all the "action" is. Tangalunda is a bit isolated, don't you think??? PS, if you are worried, like any of the resort hotels, they are protective of their female guests and no male visitors will be allowed upstairs. maria

Puerto Bill, I must clarify that I made those statements from the heart, and not from the wallet. Not everyone is welcome in Café Dublin, and indeed I have gained a reputation in town for throwing out, or letting people know they're not welcome, people usually when they were very rich, spending lots of money but were in my opinion too arrogant, disruptive and overbearing for my liking. Some wealthy Mexicans have a habit of trying to take over establishments, expecting the owners and staff to kiss their rich asses just because they spend a lot of money there. This is not an Irish trait, and I've thrown out 2 such big-spenders, one with such venom that I broke one of my own windows, because they either treated me or my staff with less than acceptable respect, or annoyed other customers. The little poor people who sell tattoos and chewing gum around the town get free iced water in my bar...rich, arrogant, annoying, overbearing, condescending loud mouthes get ejected, with venom!! Sorry for overextending this unhappy > We just returned from Huatulco and can't believe anyone would want to damage their liver with anything but Mezcal, the official drink of Oaxaca. So many Mezcals, so little time. When in Huatulco, do as the Oaxcans do, twist off a few mezcals and call the hotel doc in the morning.

Pilar: We just returned (1-19-03) from Huatulco and did the coffee tour. The roads have been recently graded and were not that rough. We did an air-conditioned van for the ride and it was just fine. We would encourage anyone to take this side trip, especially if you can take it with Alex, the tour guide. Waterfalls were cold, but spectacular. Lunch at La Gloria cofee plantation was very good and the bugs were nearly non-existant. Take it, you'll have a great time.

Josua, Obviously, this > Perhaps it was not your group being abnoxious...but if you wish to apologize on their behalf...I accept...We did tip Maria...but she disappeared...later to show up in the lobby bar...then not seen again at the beach...tipping is a requirement here for service despite it being AI...as for digging deeper into the travel brochures...that effort was done before we left with the help of this website...nice to know one can get some accurate info here..between the digs...4 1/2 star or 5 star this Barcelo is not...next visit....maybe the Quinta Real....or maybe a villa...I hear Sylvester Stallone might rent his out!

Vic it is obvious that your attitude comes from the heart. That is why you are popular on this site and since I have never been in your bar I can only assume you are popular at your bar. There is a difference throwing somebody out because they turn out to be arrogant, disruptive and overbearing meat heads and telling people not to even show up in town because you have pre judged them without ever meeting them. Yes Vic, you seem to have your heart in a good place even though I'm sure you can be a jerk sometimes (even I can be a jerk sometimes as my wife lets me know all too often) but not on the level as some of the clowns who have commented here. I don't think you have it in you. Ok, enough of the back slapping and get back down to the marina and get that boat sunk. There are some people coming in who want to dive on a shipwreck and I'm sure you don't want to make anybody unhappy. PB

Juanita, now you have opened up a whole new can of worms. u....mmmm...aaaa.......so to speak. PB

I agree that it was not a 5 star resort, but it depends on how they rate the stars, we did have elevator access, that gets you a full star, as well as non smoking rooms gets you a half star. (we did our homework, as one of us was a travel rep, the Barcelo had 3 rooms that were non smoking..what a joke). But again I agree that it was not a 5 star resort as listed. And many that we tiped took off never to be seen again too. Oh well the joys of being in Mexico. If you get Slys room, hey let us know, we just might get the one beside it! ~hee hee~ just kidding ya MV. ~the Canadian p.s. I was not apologizing for the other group, just us..if there was a need.

i was just wondering what the rooms and food are like at barcelo. Do you have a nice view of the beach? is the beach really packed or are there only a few people on it at a time. if there are people on the beach selling stuff are they nice? What sort of stuff do they sell on the beach?

Only 3 non smoking rooms.Room 360 has a nice view. The place is full of a bunch of loud Canadians or overly sensitive Mexico Vacationers. The beach is only crowded at around 6:30 am with people putting towels or books or something on the beach chairs.The beach people sell hair braiding, boat rides and scuba lessons. PB

Rooms from 3 to 4 star. If it's not peak - Christmas, Easter - you can usually get them to move you to a better one if you don't like the first room they show. Staff is great, especially the watersports concessionares - Charlie Ramos comes to mind. The buffwets on the all inclusive - the less said the better; go EP and eat in town if possible.

Oh, the worm-flavored mezcal salt at La Iguana bar is SO good!

Hey Victor, I tried to access the www.freewebs, no go ! What is wrong ? Our local grocery store, I came across some Canadian Cheddar cheese with Guinness as part of the ingredients, I enjoy both but did not try. Can you import cheese to Mexico ? Coming down in February, saludos, Terry.

Great conversation, gang! Tomzap, u the MAN! I see no need at all to censor any of this (though I've seen the need to censor stuff before ...) Chic Frank is obnoxious and I suspect he's the "Huatulco Man" sending me really censorable e-mails, but hey ... he gave a decent reply to me in another topic OK, OK in the spirit of goodwill & diversity, I have to tell this joke about an Anglo Texan and a Tejano : (Pay attention, ya might learn some Tex-mex slang). Charlies & Carlos were out drinking beer together outside of Austin, started stumbling home 'round midnight - laughin' and shoutin' an' carryin' on. Charlie says "Hol' up, I gotta pee." Carlos says, "Me too!" So they both go to the nearest ditch and start takin' a whiz. Suddenly a big northern blows in - Charlie shivers and says, "Brrrrr.... Pretty chilly!" Carlos says, "Why, Thank you!!!"

Hey there you left wing crying, Gore loving, draft dodging hippies- I won't add commies because they never did care for homo's either- what's wrong with being white, Anglo-Saxon, hetrosexual, Christian, middle class? I'll tell you what's wrong: just as long as we don't proliferate our beliefs and moral convictions it's all right. As long as we keep silent and let you liberal immoral blood suckers of the rich and middle class propagate your unnatural lifstyles you don't care what we are. The first amendment right is not just for you, it's for us as well and if we don't believe in homo's or don't want any other liberal laws forced on us then we also have the right to say so. The problem is left wingers see it as a one way street. As long as I am an American Arab who hates Bush, loves gays, smokes dope, and thinks that all Christains should be rounded up like Jew, then I can express myself. Piss on you and piss on all of you leaches of the God fearing moral loving law abiding citizens of the US who built this nation and who protect it still!! Right Wing

Can anyone let me know when marlin and sword season is? Also who is the best Charter Operator in HUX- I'm looking for a larger boat and I am not limited to Tourist season. I would appreciate some direction on this one guys (and girls) !! Riccardo

"BUFFWET"...great description of the food at the Barcelo! Bravo! Now I have an accurate description of what we ate the last two weeks. :)

Ooops, damned spell check! Sometimes sloppy fingers bring closer truth.

We just did it on Friday, through the tour company outside the Castillo. We had a great time. There were 10 of us total, plus the tour guide. The van was crowded, and it was a long bumpy ride. And, there's a lot of walking through some rough terrain, although they provided us with some helpers to carry our stuff. I would say, wear comfortable shoes, bring insect repellent (that's the only place I got any insect bites), and they do have a place to change into you swim clothes, so a change of clothes is not a bad > Riccardo, I just talked to David Garcia earlier this weekend. His arrival in Huatulco has been delayed a few days due to an ice accident (and I had a few words about someone who could legitimately BE in Huatulco but let themselves get stuck somewhere with ICE, fr gawdsake...) but Ventures' big Striker will be in operation shortly after his arrival. Go to the Main Menu and check his ad at Ventures Huatulco. Pangas are a lot of fun and catch their share of the fish, but a nice big boat sure is something altogether different.

Now that's GOTTA be a spoof. Or an agent provocateur...

I second that emotion, Maria! This would be the best hotel in Huatulco for Spring Breakers. It's an easy walk, stumble, or crawl from Dexkit or Acqua; they could rotrate from the Beach Club on Tangolunda to Playa Santa Cruz to Playa La Entrega; there's lots of good places to eat in Santa Cruz; it's even a downhill roll from La Crucecita!

OK, the one on the bottom right of the last card is Tejoncito, right? The "limited access" beach maintaines by the properties up on Residential Conejos. If the focus would have pulled back just a little, the westernmost end of Playa Conejos would be just to the left of a rocky point... The one on the left is killing me, though. I want to be there so BAD. THink I'd almost rather be there than in the Tampa Bay Buccanneers' cheerleaders' dressing room, with the difference being I COULD pull off being at that stretch of beach. It's not La Mina... Could you give me a hint? Maybe Charlie recognizes it? I bet I know some fishermen in Puerto Angel that could put a name to it... It's one thing to visit nice resorts in Huatulco. It's something altogether different when you have a spirit of adventure and access to mobility. Best of all is with time and access to a boat operated by someone with local knowledge. But you can get to places like these even by car. Glad that you and the corpulent uniparental one provided these great shots.

Aw, cute mass-produced stuff is probably cheapest and most varied at the market accross from the marina in Santa Cruz. There's more of the same in the little shops around the zocalo in La Crucecita. There's even SOME good folk art mixed in, if you've got a good eye. There are some quite talented local artists.

My bad, Maria. It's on a beach in a bay between the marina and Conejos. My face is red. I was thinking of the beach club for whatever-the-current-name-of-the-big-hotel-accross-the-street-from-Tangolunda is...

It takes a lot to turn a Med property into a first-tier resort. Gotta knock out walls to make the rooms bigger and install decent amenities. It's a huge undertaking that will probably be complete LONG after it initially opens...

Every major hotel has concessionaires or representatives for the operators of these tours. There are agences all over the area as well. Mostly they head off into the jungle towards the beaches west of town. Equipment can vary; you might want to check more than one of the provisioners to check out the vehicles.

Strobie, there are also some area beaches with bigger waves than Tangolunda or Chahue. But they require a higher skill level as well.

And if for some reason you want to get OFF the beach - maybe a breezy day or something - Meson Los Flores on the zocalo is another of the best spots in Huatulco for a meal.

I think the initial question was about getting out and about for some exploring. And I thought this'd be a good spot to toss out the > Hmm, thought I answered this one earlier, but I guess it was cerebral flatulence. David Garcia will be down in the next couple of weeks and has a real good local crew on his Stryker. Her's a quick link to his ad elsewhere on this site. <http://217.156.100.201/clients/tom/ventures.html>

its barcelo not bercelo. I suppose you could ride around on the second floor corridor, and maybe arounf the pool

Great post! Sure wish I was sitting there at the Iguana bar, drinking some of Luis' post-Superbowl mezcal with that tasty magic salt...

Chains? What kind of folks are these? Have you ever considered something a tad more conventional?

i agree with you right wing,,,.you de man. we must feel sorry for them though i guess.,, they dont know any better. [%sig%] Post Edited (01-27-03 16:02)

see you soon,,,,,"I COME IN PEACE"

wake up and smell the coffee mike, your in a dream world. lay off the emil-nitrate.

Not yet, but I have some friends in Texas that found one during a excursion to the forrest. One of them used to own a bow. Saludos. [%sig%]

As far as I'm concerned, late November and early December are BY FAR the best time to be on the Oaxacan Pacific. Maybe this year I can squeeze in an "El Trí" show as well! Now if only Alejandra Guzmán would play as well so I could worship at the sight of her...

"Been there" sure makes staying someplace like La Marina in Santa Cruz or even one of the nice places in La Crucecita like Los Arcos sound like a whole lot better deal, doesn't she? There's lots better stuff to eat in the local restaurants and the booze isn't THAT expensive once you're away from Tangolunda...

Good call, Curt! And if Esteban were booked when you wanted to go, you can bet that Jesus Vazquez or Sr Cobos or several other of the local guides could secure a vehicle to accomodate you as well!

They got any? How much?

they have very fine silver chains in town in many of the shops, i bought one last year for my son weighing 172 grams and paid 125$ u.s.,, it was huge and beautifull...,as far as gold gos ive found it alot cheaper in the states,but that should not stop you from buying a piece if you really like it.i personally think the best way to buy gold is by the weight if buying chains. a fair market price would be say 12 to 14 dollars u.s. a gram for 14ct.,no more. [%sig%] Post Edited (01-26-03 22:22)

if you tip them enough,,im sure you can!!!

Didn't like the joke, huh? Guess you had to be there ...

Año con año, el dinero vale menos. Año con año, todo vale más. -Alex Loras Right, Charlie? <the lyric above was lifted from a record by El Trí, arguable the best Roknrol band in Mexico for the last thirty-five years or so, in their song, Bólsa de Gáz, and translates roughly to "every year, the money's worth less and every year, everything costs more," certainly a lament for these times. El Trí is everything a rock band should be - cutting edge sound and political as hell. We need more of their kind now and on this side of the border!>

From a phone call last night, rumors of his demise have been greatly exagerated. Email him.

Go out and get a good-fitting mask and snorkel at a local dive shop. It'll last you for years. And if you get a good mask, you'll use it. There are no good rental masks. Use of a rental mask greatly decreases the chances of enjoying your snorkeling experience. Face shapes and sizes, stretching of silicone rubber along with sunscreen on faces insures that masks are a very individual item. But go ahead and rent fins.

Hi Strobie. During the winter seasson, the waves in Tangolunda (Barcelo) barely reach more than 3 feet. At just a few steps from the breaking area you'll lose the floor, but it is not deep. 100 yards away from the beach the depth is only 15 ft. If you are looking for more "interesting" waves, you should try "La Bocana" beach, next to the Copalita river. The waves are good enough to boogie boarding and with the wind blowing in the right direction, they are also good fur surfing. Nothing really impresive, but enough to have fun. I work in the BArcelo's water sports facilty, so if you wish, come and I'll explain you how to get there. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

got any?

david will be in town in febuary sometime

Frank, First of all, we're not talking about your nation, we're talking about someone visiting Mexico. Second, you're perfectly welcome to hold whatever views you want, intolerant or otherwise. Try to put your intolerance into action and you'll have trouble from many, many sides. I imagine that many gay people find heterosexual behavior personally repugnant, just as you do regarding their behavior. They aren't condemning you, are they? We all get 60-80 or so years on this earth.. why spend any of it in anger towards those who pose no harm to us? To me, life's far too short and too beautiful for hate. Michael & Josua, you'll find Hualtulco a true paradise. Virtually everyone you meet will be friendly, warm and welcoming. There is no more (and probably less) intolerance and discrimination there than anywhere else you might go. Have a great time! Mike

John. The Tri and Alex Lora were here in Huatulco performing in a rock festival celebrated in Chahue Bay last november. We spent more than one hour in a great presentation of Alex Lora. You have to see and hear him live! This is the third time he comes for this festival (called Musica por la Tierra). During three days, several rock and pop groups from Mexico, Chile, Spain, Argentina and some other Latin Countries perform in a huge scenary right on the beach. The original name of "El Tri" used to be "Three souls in my mind", but everybody called them "El Tri" (the pronunciation is exactly the same than three), so they changed the name to just "El Tri" (that has several meanings: as our flag has three colors, the gramtical prefix tri has emotional and nationalist implications for our people. Our soccer selction team is called "El Tri" also, to mention an example. His favorite greeting in live poresentations is "como esta el coro de los querubines macizos de Chahue" I had the chance to see El Tri in Mexico city, several years ago, in very heavy rock concerts, and even after all these years, he is still the same funny son of a .... saludos de tu amigo Charlie. [%sig%]

Glad you enjoyed them John, beleive me they were a great pleasure to take. The "Corpulent Uniparental One" deserves all the credit...great name!! I didn't pose the question as a test, I really have no > John, sorry I got my answer backwards. The first one you mentioned was indeed just before Conejos, and just beyond and around the point from Balcones and Hotel Casa Del Mar. The second was between San Agustín and Puerto Angel, and a lot closer to Puerto Angel. Terry, I think you can bring a small bit of cheese into Mexico, if there's a problem they'll just take it off you and give it to Mrs.Customs Official for that evening's dinner. Vic.

No John Williams, that's the cold hard truth.... Chigago Frank... POWER TO THE PEOPLE !!! See you in a gay free paradise bud !! Right Wing

Right Wing, do they still have the draft, draft dodgers and hippies in U.S.A.? I though all that went out with The Monkeys! God, that Jameson is stronger than I thought!....I've just woken up back in the late 60's! By the way, if you are serious about these mediaeval redneck views, any chance you could post your name and details. I for one would love to know if, and when, you ever walk into Café Dublin. Vic.

OK, I was sure that the one I > John Mc., Do you recommend any rooms at the Gala that might be better than others ie. as in views?

The shots are great Victor! Really awesome and making me "homesick" for Huatulco now that I am back in frigid Chicago! If you really need help naming some of those beaches, we took a "private" bay tour with a kid a La Entrega- Jose. He knew the name of every beach between La Entrega and San Augustin, and pointed almost all of them out to us. We stopped at quite a few for a closer look. It was really nice meeting you and your better half. Meant to stop in again, but a week is just not enough time to see and do everything! Hope to see you next year, though....... maria

Thanks Maria, it was great meeting you too, nice to be able to put a face to the name on this board. Hopefully we'll see you again. Victor & Alejandra.

Me and my husband, step son, and five other people including 3 more kids just got back from Huatulco. My husband and I were there for two weeks and the others for a week. We four wheeled twice while there. If you can get ahold of a guy named Jesus Vasquez have him book them for you. He is a few dollares cheaper than what the hotel charges. The tour guide for the jungle tour is Dennis and he is from France. Super nice guy!! The tour lasts about three hours stopping at two different bays. The last bay is where you can have lunch, drinks and take a swim in the ocean. The food at this bay is good but a little expensive. You stay here for about forty minutes before the return trip back. You don't have to eat here but you can if you wish. You can go up to speeds of forty miles an hour if you have a group who is familar with riding these machines. I will say that you will want to take a bandana for your mouth and nose because you will get VERY dirty and dusty so also where something that you don't mind getting dirty. If you go you will have a lot of fun and see wild horses and other animals on the trails but watch out beacuse we saw a dog laying right in the middle of the trail and we had to go around him because even 10 four wheelers didn't make him move!! If you have any other questions about this area anyone please E-mail and I should be able to help you out. This wasn't my first trip there.

ive had it with this gay thing. should of never said anything at all. you cant win ever. think ill go out and find a man today,,,im in a queer mood!!

My wife and I just returned from a 5 day trip to Huatulco. We stayed at a very nice B&B rather than doing the hotel scene. We did go to the hotels to check them out though. The LA Brisis was by far the worst I have ever seen as far a resort hotels goes. As you drive up to the the entrance you are greeted by tons of painted cement. Thats it. no plants, not one picute, no flowers, nothing. The front desk consisted of a cement counter with nothing else. It reminded me of a food court of my local community college. From what we saw from the cemented area, the rooms facing the bay were not very attractive. Needless to say, we did not explore the rest of the grounds. There are many other places to stay along hotel row rather than Las Brisas.

I'm with you Frank... lets all drop this silly battle. None of us are ever gonna convince the other they're wrong, and I suspect that deep down you're a decent guy. By the way, I think "Right Wing" has the hots for you. Mike

Hey Kellie C. I'm 12 yrs old and coming down to the Barcelo as you corrected my spelling next week. Please don't post any more messages using my name. By the way is the chain saw to be used for your hair?? Talk about a significant topic!

Who are you Kelly C, (---.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com), not really Kelly C. or Strobie but some imposter, OOHHH. Are you 13 or 14?

frank, john M 'youv'e been had by a couple of kiddies. chain saws, four wheelers?

Frank is a decent guy and has a heart of gold. Whaddya say Frank you and I head up to The Entrega Bar when you get here and we'll show these gay boys how to get really drunk, incomprehensable, and fall asleep at a table leering at naked chicks!

Since when does having a golden oportunity to plug local businesses constitute being "had"? Obviously, Strobie was never a more real person than the agent provocoteur, Right Wing.

Thomas, if you get there on a quiet day - quite likely if not Christmas or Easter - have them show you a selection of rooms. Just express disatisfation with the first one they show you and keep it up til you find one that makes you feel warm and fuzzy. This is acceptable customer behavior in Mexico if done politely and with respect.

Are there grocery stores near the hotels? I like to be able to buy a cooler and a six pack and stuff.

Hello, My name is Claudia and I work at Las Brisas Huatulco. We have invested over 10,000 million dollars renovating mainly the rooms and put TV and phone lines. We keept all the public areas and restaurants as Club Med had it, beautiful. The beaches are still paradise and we still offer trhe water sports. If you can write me to my email claudia.rodriguez@brisas.com.mx I will be able to email you back a complete fact sheet of our hotel. Special deals are available thru Apple Vacations. Regards, Claudia Rodríguez

Are there grocery stores, little markets near the hotel zone?

I am heading off to the Gala in late Feb. Any tips would be great. And does anyone know about the Club Royal on there web site. It talks about special service and a reserved place on the beach. This makes me very nervous that I may be a second class citizen. Also is the disco busy, it the beach busy. Any advice on making dinner reservations. And what is the dress code for breakfast and lunch. Is a bathing suit and beach shoes ok???? Thank you all for your help

Is anyone else finding that the "new" tag on previous > Club Royal offers ocean-view rooms on floors 4-6, as well as a "special" beach club, and guaranteed rezzies at the a la carte restaurants, as well as a few other knick knacks. From talking to others, this option is not worth the extra $, as the restaurant generally has enough space, and the "beach club" is off to the side of the main entrance, and is not off-limits to vendors. Sure you get a nicer room with an ocean view, but how much time do you spend in your room ? The terry bath robe supplied is not yours to keep, and you are usually too full to eat the canapes. The beach may be busy or not, depending on the time of year, and whether it is a national holiday or not. We found the beach to be more crowded on the weekends as the Mexico City flights came in. Dress for the a la carte is no shorts or sandals. Casual long pants and polo shirts are fine for men, while women get away with skirts, pants etc. I have never seen anyone refused in shorts, but never in beach wear. Buffet dress is very casual with beach wear acceptable at breakfast and lunch. For the dinner buffet, you should up the dress code a bit, with say khaki shorts and polo shirts. It is a judgement call, but it is more respectable to not show up for dinner in beach wear. Hope this helps... JOHN

Right across the street there is a small plaza which should satisfy your needs. For larger items, you should go into town. Stay away from the hotel "boutiques", as you will pay a small fortune for most items. JOHN

Right across the street, or go into town. Its only minutes away and only 20 pesos JOHN

How is the whale watching along the coast of Huatulco in February? I'll be taking out a panga a couple of times to snorkel and hang out on the beaches and I was wondering if I'd be lucky enough to see some whales. If so, what kind do you usually find in the area?

get the cold hornitos readythis weekend and i mean frozen. got e-mail from david,,,,hell be down in febuary he said... better stock up!

there once was a man from narobi,,,who went after the great whale moby,,, up came a squall,,,he had no way to call,,,and all the found left was his hobbie...

all the real grocery stores are in la crucecita. the cheapest and i consider best is on the end of colorin street.

the should turn las brisas into hedonism 4, and spend 10 million more. then were talking a hot place...

Can anyone tell me about the National Mexican Sea Turtle Sanctuary? I am really interested in going there, but will be staying in Huatulco. How far is it? What is the best way to get there? Thanks! Can't wait to visit!!!!

i swore off la entrega this visit. you got to have a c.p.a. with you to get your drink tabs correct. they got my last dollar in november.. why cant you bring in some topless dancers upstairs?? they can dance the irish jig on a table.

I got a turtle head pokin' out...

For the first few days after moving to the new server, it didn't work for me either. the last few days, it has been working properly. (I use Netscape 7.0)

Pilar, I talked with John W. about it, If I remeber correctly it is about an hour away for Huatulco. He told me that the best thing to do is hire a taxi for the day and stop along the way to eat at the different towns. We are going to do that, we will be down there in 11 days i can't wait. I would email John W. He gave us the best info on it. I still have his email if you want me to forward it to you let me know. Julie

We were there a couple of weeks ago. We took a taxi and it probably takes an hour to an hour and a half. The drive is quite nice, plus we stopped in Puerto Angel and Mazunte to look around and take some pictures. If you just went to the turtle sanctuary it would probably be a half day trip, but take your time and also visit Zipolite and Playa La Ventanilla. [%sig%]

We will be down there in February from the 8th to the 18th. Is there any one else traveling at that time? We are flying out of Chicago on Mexicana on the 8th. Once we are all rested for a few days maybe we can all meet at Vic's one day for a beer. Julie M

I climbed on Victors 2 wheeled Knievel-mobile several weeks ago without so much as warning the poor machine. It was, after all, made by engineers in a country where most people are described in terms such as "petite", and weigh as much as my earlobe. (I thought the thing was a rollerblade for "normal" sized folks like me) At any rate, I managed to snap off a wee piece of the machine as it sank moaning into the pavement. I have been promised that the replacement part will be in my hands tommorrow. I will be happy to fed-ex it to someone who will be going to Huatulco in the next week or so. (by all means - look at the part, it's a Kawasaki footpeg, to be sure I am not sending you on an errand with something dangerous). Can you help me out? Fat Bastard Recovering Anorexic

Thank you very much for your hospitality during our brief visit, sure appreciated the trip to the liquor store. This chat room made our vacation at Hualtalco much more comfortable than anywhere else in Mexico.

I will be in Huatulco of the 8th of Feb. If this helps it's 11 days.......yipeee

Hi Strobie: We returned from our first trip down on 19 Jan. While there we really enjoyed an ATV trip with Dennis (from France), had an amazing three hour trip, his English is excellent, his knowledge of geography and history is excellent, and we found him very personable. I would highly recommend that you have him as your guide. We were very lucky and had him as our only companion for the tour. Hope you enjoy the trip. It was our first time on an ATV and we found it very deliteful and he was very safety concious. Barry and Jane

We returned from Gala on the 19th of January and through our binoculars and from the Hobbie Cat we did not see one single person on their beach. We heard from the cab driver that they opened again but we saw no sign of life.

first week of may is billfish tourny, you can win a nissan extera if you get the big kahuna!!!. better book a capt early.

are you allowed to carry beer cans in your carry on luggage?????????? since they serve cans on board ,,i dont see why not..

are there any out of the way restuarants to try some turtle soup. i had some while in the bahamas,it was great

The second week of January, we did the Fiesta catamaran trip out of Santa Cruz. Halfway on out trip to San Agustin, we came across a whale and her calf. I'm not sure what type it was, but we got some good photos. The calf obliged us by jumping out of the water a couple of times. That was definitely a highlight of the trip. JOHN

check you e-mail. ill be there this week.

make sure to bring a 6 or 12 pack of gunniess for vic and company. or better yet,,,murphys irish pub ale......sold in most larger chicago area liquor stores such as binnys or sams

I just returned from a week in Huatulco with my friends, and I guess at some point I owe a trip report, but I'll need to trim it down a bit before I post it. For now, just a few "Thank You's", though.... We had a pretty eventful week! Thank you Tom for hosting this great site. Its really helped us plan our last 2 trips, and gave us lots of good > Hi Maria. Thank you for visiting Huatulco. My son have had a lot of fun with the little yellow whale shark (and me too!) Give to Marylin my best regards. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

I hope you don't get it. And if you do, please let me know and I'll be glad to kick the a... of the owner. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Victor, I'd love to do the la entrega boogie with you and frank (will be there in a few weeks)... we could solve a lot of the world's problems... or I could just bring a bottle of Bushmills and we'll imagine all that beautiful flesh from the comfort of your bar... by the way, if you're interested, my local liquor store has bushmills, 10 year old bushmills, and even 16 year old bushmills (never tried it, but it sounds wonderful).. Mike

One would have to be blind to miss the point that this > And you´re not the onlyone my dear old friend Charlie!! Pilar, The National Mexican Turtle Center it´s located exactly one hour from Huatulco. If you love to be one with nature, rent a car and depart before the sunrise. The first point where you can make a stop it´s Ventanilla Lagoon. At this time of the year, you can see migrational species of birds and also seabirds. The community of Ventanilla it´s a clear example of sustenable ecobussines. The community of Mazunte ( Nahuatl word wich means "I beg you to lay your eggs here" ) was the pionner to work in the ecoturism. Before 90´s, at San Agustinillo was a slaughtery and thousand of sea turtles died there in just one day. In May 1990 the sea turtles was declarated under protection, that´s why with the effort of Federal Goverment and the community of Mazunte was constructed The National Mexican Turtle Center to protect them, to investigate them, to cure them, within the center this located the main aquarium, and this account with 18 aquariums, where they are lodged sea species, land species and fresh water species. Also they count on two pools with sea species of greater size and the research area too. On the Coast of Oaxaca it´s possible to admire the olive ridley, the leather back, the pacific hawksbill, black turtle. It's closed Monday-tuesday. Pedro Gasca Field guide ABA MEMBER 049117 outdoors_huatulco@hotmail.com 52 (958) 58718 22

David Garcia owns VENTURES IT'S NOT A TRUSTLY PERSON the real fishing man always was Laco you can find him at the main pier of Santa Cruz, there is another good fishermen as Jaime Santos "Poacamaxtli's Captain" or Toño "Fortuna´s Captain" with a large boats.

Many people in town spect David!!! he has many legal troubles in court!!! hopefully he comes!!! About the marlin or blue sailfish start in april, here it's not possible to find sword Operators yatch name Ph number Massimo Marlin Monroe Jaime Santos Pocamaxtli 52 958 5871332 Toño Fortuna Tereso Garcia Virginia 52 958 58 90031 I'm gonna get other ph numbers in the next.

Que te puedo decir mi buen Jesús!!! mira que conozco guias en huatulco, ¿¿que yate operas?? Pedro Gasca guia de campo outdoors_huatulco@hotmail.com 52 958 5871822

Mike, I'll drink, buy and sell any Irish whiskey EXCEPT Bushmills. I'll fill you in as to why when I see you. No need me starting another touchy subject on here. Frank, cos I think the resulting empty Corona bottle across the back of my head from Alejandra might just hurt. Vic.

Folks, to help clarify this matter. Mike, aka Fat Bastard, isn't that fat! The footpeg was broken already, and badly glued together, by "Hungover Irish Bastard", Fat Bastard just served to execute the inevitable. It would have come off sooner or later Mike, and better it happened while parked outside the bar, than flying into some poor guy's windscreen who was unfortunate enough to be following me on some isolated road here. I don't readily know what penalty the Mexican courts impose on people for jamming a Kawasaki footpeg through a windscreen and into someone's eye is...but thanks for saving me that! Thanks for the help Mike, you know you didn't need to. I really hope we see you soon down here. Stay in touch. Vic and Alex.

Bill, Your post wasn't censored because 1) The boards are not being moderated right now except for a software function that kicks out posts with keywords that match a short list of dirty words. 2) I couldn't figure out what you were trying to say anyway.

Boozer, a previous poster on here, "Kellie C" just arrived with a four pack of cans, she said she carried them in carry on luggage. See you soon. Vic.

It started working normally again for me today.

The Horny Toes will be in the fridge Frank, I'm also stocking up on condoms and peroxide so we can go out and pick up some guys :)

A lot of posters here have been asking where's the best place to bring used clothes etc. and what to bring. Two of our regular customers at Café Dublin, and good friends, Jamie and Katie from Arizona and Chicago respectively, have asked me to make a request on their behalf. They both work tirelessly for a school here in Huatulco teaching seriously underprivaliged and handicapped (mentally and physically) children aged from 2 to 9. Needless to say the parents of these children are penniless also. They are asking any of you who can, to bring down learning games/toys, colouring books, "join to the dots" type books, books in simple English (Jamie described these as "books for junior high") and floaties that wrap around the waist. I would imagine also that used clothing and any other things you don't need, suitable for kids that age, will help enormously. You can bring any of these items to Café Dublin, the girls are there most nights, and they said you will be more than welcome to take the stuff personally to the school and see it put to good use in your presence. Thanks. Vic.

I think it goes away temporarily when the server clock is set to a time that is earlier than the time of the last post.

are you a desendent of ..BAT MASTERSON??

i was talking about small green turtles,,,,as in green turtle steak,,,,,,,,,,not big sea turtles.

when are you going? ONLY 16 MORE DAYS! from what i can tell on my post, the only thing you gotta watch out for is the "crazy canadians"...if you leave after we get back, i will post a report on our fun!!

We just returned from Huatulco after spending a month there. This was our third trip in 6 months and it is truly paradise. I wanted to take this opportunity to make a few comments that I hope will be helpful to someone. To those that wrote on the old message board regarding the drive from Mexico to Huatulco via Acapulco, I wanted to clarify that there are 208 topes between the Acapulco exit to route 200 and Huatulco. And as Puerto Bill pointed out, there are a great variety of Topes ranging from Camouflage topes to "vibradores". Do not drive at night!!! Of the three main routes to Mexico city, the Salina Cruz-Oaxaca route is by far the best from a driving standpoint. The Pochutla route is scenic, but exhausting. The scenery on the Salina Cruz route is also very nice and except for a few areas of this road still under construction, it was a very good road. The Mexico -Acapulco - Huatulco road is the shortest (by about 1 hour) but a pretty hard drive after the Acapulco exit. I have noticed quite a few postings regarding restaurants in the area. While restaurants are truly a matter of personal taste, here are a few personal comments: Best ambience and all around fun place to go: Vic's very own "Cafe Dublin". Coldest beer in town, most friendly owners and the best damn steak sandwich I have ever eaten. Best Restaurant in Las Crucezitas: Oasis. Best Beachfront restaurant in Santa Cruz: Ve El Mar. Best restaurant for a "special occasion": Quinta Real. prices high in relation to the area, but compared to the US, Canada or Mexico City very good value. the view is excellent, the food fantastic and the service superb. If you want a special evening, don't miss this place. Worst Restaurant: (this is truly subjective, there are many bad restaurants, but this place really stood out as we had read great reviews) Mambo Cafe. Way overrated, food was expensive and terrible, service was poor. We gave Mambo two tries and the second was worse than the first. We stayed in a Condo at "Sueno Real" on Punta Santa Cruz, with a beautiful view of Santa Cruz and chahue bays as well as the ocean and it beats the best hotels in Tangolunda. On the expensive side, but well worth it. Well, time to get back to the current reality of our -15 C weather. Best wishes to all the great people we met in Huatulco and we can't wait to go back soon. [%sig%]

Feb-15th-23rd! staying at the Barcelo...a drink sounds in order, we are traveling out of Sacremento, CA - Huatulco, on Mexicana..got to stop 2x b4 we get there!! stops in Mexico City and Guadalajara...hope the run way isn't cracked!

Bill, You are a sorry and chronic poster, please get a life and some sleep. Everything you say is a reflection of yourself. gonzo [%sig%]

On the old message board there was a debate going on regarding the locations used for the beach scenes towards the end of the movie "Y Tu Mamá Tambien". The general opinion was the first was Cacaluta, the second Maguey. Having just watched the movie yesterday I can confirm Cacaluta, but I don't think the second was the western end of Maguey. My guess, and the word on the street from locals in the know, is that the second was the western end of San Agustín. Vic.

Anyone wishing to donate clothes, or other useful used items, please see my post above entitled "Bringing things for needy kids". Thanks. Vic.

Could anyone give me some advice on this resort. Can you were a bathing suit and water shoes to breakfast and lunch or is it more formal. Is it crowded our can you find room at the beach and pool. Hints on dinner reservations ect would be great. And has anyone been to there web page were it talks about the royal club. Special rooms and a reserved section on the beach. This make me think I could end up a second class guest?? All tips would be great. Thanks you very much.

After I develop my film, I want to watch the movie again! While we were having our own "private" bay tour last week, I could not help but think of what someone else said on this board- find your own Boca De Cielo! I highly recommend to anyone visiting the area, hire yourself a panga for a day or a few hours and really see the beauty of the area. Its so easy to do, even if you speak little or no Spanish! And so worthwhile! maria

John thank you very much. We took 2 trips to Cuba last year and want a change. The Gala looks very nice, so we thought we would give it a try. One thing, how is the disco? My husband and I being 40ish love the chance to dance when we go away. But many are dead, or don't start till very very late. Oh, is there any block of rooms that you would consided bad. I would prefer a quite area. Not one above the entertainment is possible. Thanx again. H

Charlie, I will send Mary your regards. She appreciates all of the warm thoughts coming her way. Sorry to confuse you with our names. In Mexico we are all "Maria", the Spanish version of each of our names. Its just easier that way! Enjoy the shark. I am sure he is happier there than he would be here!! Tu Amiga, maria (aka maura)

Don't bother editing, Maria, just post it all!

Good review! I've not yet tried the Mambo; seems some like it and others hate it. I'll have to give it a shot in May. I also want to try that meat lovers' paradise on the road between Pochutla and Puerto Angel...

Don't think you've got the eco-thing down yet, Frank. ALL sea turtles are considered endangered and much of the small green turtles consumed on the Oaxacan coast would've been big ones, had they survived. I've always been a whole-hearted supporter of the Instituto Nacionál de Tortugas in Mazunte and urge everyone to view this treasure house while you can. I know far less about the community in La Ventanilla as it is post-huracán Pauline and most of my many days on Playa Ventanilla were pre-

First time I ever did a post just to get the original back up to the top of the queue, but these three guys deserve your patronage and will make your trip better than it could have been without them...

For those people that are fortunate enough to come to Huatulco to visit, as well as those in the area, It would be more than helpful if you could donate to the school Nuevo Amanacer. I consider myself lucky enough to have been introduced to this amazing facility (that does lack some equipment). The children that attend this school have various disabilites. For many of them, their mothers carry them in crowded taxis for up to 2 hours one way just to give them the chance to have some type of rehabilitation and stimulation once or twice a week. But the greatest part about the school is that the staff is so friendly that anyone who wishes to donate is welcome to come and observe how they work. You have to see these amazing kids! Although some of the children cannot speak, the smiles and excitement on their little faces while they are working (using learning toys) makes it all worth it. Please if you can bring learning toys or clothing down with you to huatulco I promise Nuevo Amanacer will give it to the right people. Come see for yourself! Safe Travels! Jamie

Careful. If this keeps going this way we may get another reply from Mr. Masterson and we certainly don't want that. The Turtle Museum is definitely one of the best side trips on the Oaxacan coast.It is really informative. Kids love it. We take the tour and then hop over to San Agustinillo for a little lunch on the beach and a dip. That beach fantastic.It has something for pretty much everybody. From good size waves to real small or nothing within 50 yard or so. Great view as well. PB

Sounds like something to put on the agenda for my next trip! maria

The disco all depends on how bust the resort is. It usually starts after the show, around 11:00. Any rooms on the Barcelo (west) side of the resort may be louder than others because of the nightly entertainment/disco. If you want it quieter, you should request a room on the Zaashila (east) side of the resort.

Thank you again for your help.

Acqua and Dexkit in Santa Cruz may provide more of the disco thing you're looking for. La Palapa has also been mentioned but I've not been down since it opened and the reviews have been VERY mixed. Magic Tropic is great for Latino beat. Victor and the Irish Pub are certainly not a disco, but I'll let him speak for himself. And my very favorite hang-out, La Crema, also FAR from a disco, is still above the zocalo in La Crucecita; some people have complained of tab padding there and elsewhere, so pay as you go the way you do in the states.

Maria, if you make the loop through Mazunte, you also should see the main beach at San Augustinillo. It's near bath-tub calm on the west end and has big (sometimes REAL big) waves on the east end, with big rocks in the middle divvying it up. Makes for some real tricky currents out in the interface, but it's an amazing place.

God, I love to be quoted even when not credited! When you book your private bay tour - and do so, it's a better experience than a booze cruise or a cattle boat - make SURE they don't turn around before La India! In fact, you might want to insist that they go all the way out to San Augustin and then see the other bays on the trip back, just to make sure you see the best.

Hi Victor - Debbie and I are planning on bringing a bunch of clothes, toys and books with us when we are back in Huatulco next month, (2/15-2/22), so we'll bring them with us to Café Dublin. Of course, we'll bring some Guinness along too. Also, those aerial shots on your site look great! Can't wait to go back. See you soon... -Phil and Debbie

John, the meat lovers' paradise is well worth a try. Great ribs, by any standards, great broth, a total gastronomic pleasure trip. We found it a bit pricey, but would certainly recommend it. Vic.

Thanks for all your suggestions/comments everyone! I will be sure to check it out when I am down there. One more thing - how far is it from Puerto Escondido?

anyone wishing to bring beer ,,please bring it to vics irish pub...........guinness or murphys irish pub ale will greatly be appreciated............also any unattached women will be appreciated to,,,,,strictly for the customers! [%sig%] Post Edited (01-29-03 22:21)

La Papaya nightclub is certainly now the place to go for the late night dancing people. It seems to have taken a lot of the business away from Acqua and Dexkite, actually from what I gather Dexkite is completely dead every weekend and seems to have fallen out of favour in large fashion with the locals. La Crema is still the place to go and be seen amongst the local hip set, but, and I'm not saying this as a competitor seeking to stop people going there for I regularly send my customers there to check it out, I'm hearing more and more complaints of pad tabbing there. My own girlfiend, Alejandra, was there 2 weeks ago with an Argentinian friend, had a beer each and were presented with a tab for 3 beers. When she complained was told, "ah, I thought you were going to order another one". It's really getting out of control there, so as John advises, pay as you go. And John, if you, or anyone else, doubts the validity of that story I can furnish the names and email address of Alejandra and her friend, and can give you the name and nationality of the waiter concerned. I warn people of this habit in La Crema, not as a competitor, but as just another foreigner would to any other visitor in the town. Somebody needs to tell Lalo to cut it out! Vic.

Actually I will pay for it...thanks Frank.

I'm heading to the Gala this Sunday. John you made the comment of no shorts or sandals at the a la carte restuarants. Does the no sandals apply to women as well? I was planning on bringing dressier sandals but not shoes... Let me know... Thanks

From Mazunte it is 45 minutes if you drive like me. If you dont drive like me it takes about an hour. (Joke) About 45 min.really. The road is usually good. Not real curvy like Huatulco to Puerto Angel. PB

VIC, A couple of years (actualy 5 or 6) I was in NYC at an Irish pub called O'Douls, just a block or so away from the Grand Hyatt...had a blast... is cafe Dublin up to the same standard? Let me know and I might pop in... RW

do you have beer nuts??????????? [%sig%] Post Edited (01-29-03 22:28)

do you have beer flavored beef gerky??????????? [%sig%] Post Edited (01-29-03 22:33)

do you have a beer garden?????????

i would like some shrimp steamed in beer

we loved huatulco and would definetly go back. This was my 3rd trip there,i had stayed at the club med twice. i enjoyed my time there but it was a hassle to get to town. The barcelo was a much better hotel and it was in a area great for going to town whenever you wanted to .already thinking about going back. just bone up on you spanish as very little english is spoken,

the barcelo is a great place to stay. the rooms are very nice and most of them have a nice view. There's not much to do at night that wasn't a problem for me because i went to just relax. the beach there isn't the best for snorklig but there are other areas better suited for that. have fun my family did.

you really to go to town for that or will pay was too much at the hotels. the hotel will get you a taxi and also tell you how much the trip will cost you (about 20 pesos ) there's alot of shopping to do just besure that you bargain over the prices because you can always get a better price. the taxi back is easy to find as there are taxi stands everywhere.just go with an open mind and i think you will have a good time

What do mean crazy canadians, most on this site are crazies from chicago and other points east, meet up with the crazy canucks and you will party like you've never done it before, bring tylenol you'll need it. Bob

we stayed in the barcelo for 10 days during the holidays and enjoyed every moment of it. it's a beautiful hotel with 2 swimming pools to enjoy and also the beach is right there too. There's not much life there but that's not what i went for. please check your reservations before you go as they lost ours.i now know that you can do that on the computer and will do so from now on. You picked a great place to stay.I know that i will go back in the very near future.

sometimes i think that americans will complain about everythig remember you're not in the usa.losen up and be open minded about trying new things. you just might be surprised their really good. i had no problem with it and enjoyed the experience i received in just being alittle open minded.if you want american food by all means stay home and make room for the ones that really want to experience the whole scene.

in my experience that would be a big mistake.our last hotel we had to fight for our reservations even though that they had been made 6 months in advance. just pick one and make a reservation. the prices will cost you alot if you don't. use the guide to huatulco hotels from your computer you can even get a better rate. you might even e-mail the hotel or call the hotel to ensure that they have the reservations. don't leave all to the travel agent. this way you know that you have a room awaiting you. if you have trouble just stay calm and never take everything they say to be totally true.

my family stayed there for 10 days and enjoyed it alot. there's lots of stuff to do. when enjoyed horseback riding. my son and did this 2 times. you ride through the jungle. the view was fantastic. the ranch is only about 10 minutes away. They will also pick you up at your hotel and bring you back when it's over.

John, The "meat lovers paradise" is wonderful.. they have a mixed grill with arracheras that can't be beat. The host treated us to an after dinner shot of some 100% agave juice... place is easy to miss... left turn not far after the turnoff from Pochutla to Puerto.. I think the place is called La Finca.. Mike

please don't eat the turtle it took my mother months just to find out what was making her sick.it's not really to not consider the probles that might happen to you from eating them. besides ist's against the law to do so. i don't think that you want to wind up in a mexican hospital. there's plenty of other seafood that is just as good with out the risks to you health

Pedro, you're wronb about David Garcia.. at least in my experience. I've fished with him for years. He has become a friend of mine. He has always been more than fair.. for example last year the tuna were gone for several days.. nobody was catching fish, despite the claims of many of the captains and salesman at the Marina. David told me.. "Lets go out tomorrow anyway and take our chances.. If we don't catch fish, just help me pay for the gas." and that's exactly what happened. Honest and straight forward. A few days later the fish returned and we brought back a bunch. Yes, Lacko is a great capitan and knows the area well.. but that doesn't make David untrustworthy. Mike

Life's far too short, Bill, to take our flippant, smart-ass comments very seriously. Sure there are some jerks on this board, but there are jerks everywhere. So are you gonna answer Frank's question or not? Was Bat your grandfather? Do you have a black vest and shiny 6-guns? Spurs? C'mon, Bill.. inquiring provocateurs want to know. Mike

I have sent offer 50 parties of people to Mambo Cafe and Never have I heard such negative talk. Never have I had a bad speck of food nor have I had one of my guests unhappy with the MAMBO CAFE. Oasis "The Best we have in La Crucecita", God help us. Do not get me wrong Oasis is a good family low mid to mid price restaurant, consistantly good, dependably good- yes, but the BEST in all of La Crucecita? Terry a Frenchmen, trained in France and Switzerland, 17 YEARS the owner and Chef of one of the most famous French restaurants in all of Oaxaca City now the owner and in the kitchen working Chef of MAMBO CAFE. What could be the motive behind such a malicious comment. I would say Dan Thompson would be a happier person eatting at Oasis. Mambo Cafe serves a house soup of Cream of Brocoli, made daily, with fresh baked bread with 2-3 different flavored butters for $2 USD or a Twin Fillet Mignon with scratch made Beronais Sauce for $16 USD or an Asian Sweet & Sour Red Snapper for $8 USD or Peach Cobbler or on and on. Quinta Real another Great Restaurant- YES. Quinta serves Eggs Benedict, two petit portions for $13 USD for breakfast, is it worth it? YES with the view, ambiance, service and the sauce combined - Yes. Mr Thompson is proof you can not make all the people happy in the world of food no matter how hard you try. MAMBO CAFE is one of the BEST four restaurants in The Bays of Huatulco entire resort complex, hotels included.

In my experience, Dave Garcia is one of the few business people worthy of trust in the whole region. He simply is not that hungry for pesos to be any other way. I think what you're seeing here is the usual anti-Gringo businessman, jealousy ridden attitude that is so common here. Vic.

Whether or not you have a blast in Café Dublin depends a lot on who's in there at the time. Some nights are better than others, all I can do is supply the beer and hamburgers. Drop by and check it out, have some beer nuts and beer shrimp in our new beer garden, and please be nice to Frank in there, he doesn't like being disturbed in his beer office, which is located on the beer mezzanine level, next to the beer parlour, just across from the beer elevator.

I just opened the inexpensive Huatulco B&B in Chahue, Bays of Huatulco. My web site is www.freewebs.com/huatulcobedandbreakfast it is a new site under developement and I can be reached at curtmorrow@aol.com Huatulco B&B is convienently located just outside of La Crucecita all new, clean, totally air-conditioned, Sky Cable color TV's w/VCR's, private quiet three room home, private baths in all BR's reasonably priced.

He wore a cane and Derby hat, Thet called him Bat, Bat Masterson.... gg

The problem with the food at the Barcelo is not the desire to "Eat American"...it is that they are trying to feed "American style" and failing miserably. When we asked why they didn't have Mexican food...even at the Mexican Fiesta night..we were told they tried to serve Mexican but got complaints. Breaded fried chicken? YUK! We went to Mexico to eat the food that was typical to the Oacaxa area.. but not at the Barcelo. The problem appears to be the tourist who expects spagehetti and hamburgers and pizza on vacation and refuses to eat anything they don't recognize or haven't tried at home....you should have heard the fuss when they served "Palm Hearts"...if you are going to travel, learn a little before you go...and dig in and try something new. Travelling to Mexico and eating out is an opportunity to try Mexican food and there are a choices away from the Barcelo that will satisfy muchly!

I haven't had a chance to post my trip report yet but I second the recomendation of El Patio. It used to be called the tentacion and has the quaint courtyard in the rear where you can dine in peace. We loved the skewers of beef they served. they cost 90 pesos which might be a little more than other places but very tasty. The waitress Ashey makes you feel very welcome. Greg

the trick is not to go all inclusive,,,,problem solved!!!

you mean the beer??

anyone in town who knows how to operate one of these things please see me , i would like to learn how to operate this thing so i know where im at while on the ocean of if i get lost in the area

I'm traveling to Mexico in early November and have pretty much decided to go to the Barcelo in Huatulco. We are snorkelers and have carried our gear all over the Caribbean without finding good snorkeling except in Cozumel and Grand Cayman. Where can one go in Huatulco for good snorkeling? Can one snorkel from shore or does it involve a boat trip? We're going all-inclusive simply because we can't carry enough money to cover our bar bills :) but we have found most all inclusives to be ok, not gourmet but ok. Sounds like this one is no different. We stayed in Barcelo Capella in the Dom. Rep. and they had really good food so we're hoping it is a company policy! Wish us luck. Betty

$13 USD for Eggs Benedict? Whoa. Must be some veiw. PB

Thanks for the info. I like to get a cooler and a twelve pack and kick back. This will be our first time in Huatulco.

Jacki, I'd love to see the pictures. We're going in November. Thanx for the offer! Betty

Frank, I think there's a botton on the 320 titled "Home", you just press that and it inflates into a Zephyr commando boat, complete with outboard engine, and 2 Navy Seals, they'll get you back to Santa Cruz. Don't tip the ruthless commandos, they're well paid enough and take you home from a tremendous sense of duty.

Si Señor!

Dang, still not working for me. Can't tell which topics have new messages. Bummer, hope it can be fixed, Tom P, are you listening? :)...

Whoa, just now when I posted this, ALL topics now show "new"!

Best nearby snorkeling is Bahia La Entrega, can walk (bit long from Tangolunda) or take taxis.

Hey, for those who are accustomed to more than a panga as a fishing boat, the choices are few. David has that nice Stryker. There's another first-class boat in the Marina, I believe it's Itallian owned, but they don't advertize here and I've never been able to get in touch with them. Then you have a few boats that were really nice Sedans and Sports Fishermen some several decades ago but are now limping on one engine with bad compression. If you feel I'm being unfair, then for goodness sakes, write in and tell us about your boat. Size, speed, amenities - just remember, on this site disappointed customers DO write in and review the product, so don't claim 20 knots for a boat that won't do ten downwind in a hurricane. And next trip down, lets get some pictures of some more boats. Again, we're talking non-panga sport fishing. There are a lot of SUPERB pangas captained by first-rate fisherman at a much lower price than a first-class boat. But we are talking apples and oranges here.

Gotta disagree, Kathy, unless you're going down at Christmas/New Years, Spring Break/Easter, or the domestic mini-high season in July and August or you're staying in one of the Villas, condos, or B & B's with extremely limited room inventories. The rest f the year, in the conventional hotels, there are rooms going begging all over town and reservations are as useful as a screen door on a submarine. You can go down and THEN pick the accomodation that suits you.

You guys crack me up. :)

Sorry I didn't give you proper credit there, John. I was pretty sure it was you, but there were a few other contributers to that > Curt: You're right on. I've been to Huatulco more than a dozen times over the past four years and Mambo Cafe is an excellent addition to the dining scene. We had one of our best-ever Huatulco meals there this month and the price was a very pleasant surprise. I also agree on the Hotel Quinta Real restaurant -- most elegant dining experience in town. We also thought the restaurant at the Marlin Hotel, I think it's the Garden of Art, was very good.

Dress sandals for the ladies should be ok, but I'm not sure. JOHN

I hade the same concern, I am going the end of Feb. Will you write a follow up when you get back. Thanks

Hi all- I will making my first visit to Huatulco in late February, and would like to rent a private panga for a day or afternoon to experience some of the more isolated bays/beaches. My question for you fine folks is, in your opinion, which are the most beautiful, pristine bays in the area, the ones that we should not miss? Also, anyone want to recommend a particular guide for said trip? thanks! [%sig%]

I disagree. Mambo is a great place, one of the best. Cafe Dublin is fine, but there are many other places with a whole lot more atmosphere. I know Vic is Mr. Tomzap these days but there are many other places. Huatulco is such a small place that people going for the first time should really just go and check it out for themselves and they wll find whatever they like the best. I was there with my wife this new years and I will tell you that it was fairly dead and we were disappoitned wth the quality of tourism. Huatulco is a nice place but it really cannot compare to Cozumel. Bob

Just returned from the Gala on 26Jan03. Dress sandals are fine for a la carte restaurants.

Dress sandals and even shorts are also fine for the far tastier food at, say, Marisqueria El Pata for Sea Food of Los Portales for a steak or tacos or La Crema for a decent pizza (a fare almost unheard of in Mexico - DECENT pizza, that is) - all of these in La Crucecita. Same for Meson Los Flores or Ve El Mar in Santa Cruz. The Santa Clara will also take you as you are. And any of these will serve a meal far superior to what you're going to get in Tangolunda.

Bob, I agree with you in many ways and disagree in others. As a diver, Cozumel has few equals in this world. And the beaches on the windward coast are fantastic. And if all you see is the limited resort areas of the Bahias de Huatulco, then your Oaxacan experience is very limited indeed. But there is so much more. If there is any consistent theme in what I've written on this site over the years, then that theme would be to urge folks to get out and experience the scenery, the people, and the culture of this corner of the world. But it's hard to get people out of the golden birdcages of Tangolunda and into the rest of Huatulco, much less going any further astray! When your only view of the more distant bays is from a booze cruise boat or a cattle car boat, you're not going to get more than a taste of the potential there, either. But for those who go to the turtle museum in Mazunte or go view the caimans in La Ventanilla or even drive way up to San Jose del Pacifico - there's absolutely no place like this.

thanks,,,your a great help. mabey the leprecon can help me..........

La India. Cacaluta, with the Playa del Rey. And if you've got the private panga, there's some incredible spots beyond the last bay of the preserve (San Augustín). When you rent a private panga, you usually get to do a little fishing as well. After all, nearly all the panga captains are fishermen at heart. The pre-eminent secondary school in nearby Puerto Angel, after all, is La Escuela Secondaria del Piscadors, or Fisherman High. I like Adrian, available off the beach in Tangolunda. My dear friend in Montana, Sandy, strongly recomends Valentino the guy on Tangolunda with the frisbie in his hand. If you talk to Charlie at the Barcelo watersports hut, he'll have recommendations as well. Just go start negotiating! Service is also available from the marina in Santa Cruz.

while in huatulco i want to loose 30 lbs. or more. does anyone know of a good weight loss diet or where i can get diet pills.?????are there any special secert mexican herbal weight loss programs not know to the outside world. maybe a mexican voodoo man who can put a weight loss spell on me........ [%sig%] Post Edited (01-30-03 20:38)

A Diet did you say. AGGGHHHHHHH. Somebody help this man quickly:) Frank, I believe you are suffering from one of the early signs of a serious disorder called Late Onset Anorexia. It often affects people in mid-life who are otherwise healthy and doing thier fair share to help keep objects they sit on from blowing away. As a 565 lb, 4ft 7in recovering anorexic myself I can tell you to simply dismiss the very > Bob, I was in Cozumel this Xmas, and you missed nothing! The weather was cloudy, wet, and for me, cold. The prices were much higher than Huatulco, and the place is geared primarily for cruise ship tourists. The evenings were dead, and there were gang street fights on the seafront as early as 10,00pm. With no offence intended to Americans online, as a European I was also pissed off at the way Cozumel seems to have become an additional State - prices in dollars, everyone speaking English even when you try to speak in Spanish. It was difficult to believe I was in Mexico! Not my > Jen, Yeah, what he said..... Seriously, I was easily able to arrange a private bay tour with a young man named Jose. He works out of Playa La Entrega, his panga is called Tangalo. I speak maybe a little Spanish, but not much, and he speaks a little English. We communicated just fine, and he did a really nice job for us. Plus, he's a really sweet kid. (I say "kid" because my friend and I realized at about the same time that we were old enough to be his mother- very scary!) He genuinely enjoyed showing us the bays and beaches and snorkelling with us, and we enjoyed his company for the day. Anyway, if you are staying on Tangalunda, there will be plenty of guys on the beach who will suggest a private bay tour. I know our instincts tell us to be cautious, but these guys are honest and dependable for the most part and won't ask for your money til they drop you off at the end of the "tour." Just negotiate a fair price first for where you want to go, or for how long, and at the end of the day, if you feel they've gone "above and beyond" give them a little more. Jose spent the entire day with us, took us from La Entrega to San Augustin and we made a few stops. He charged us 1000 pesos ($100.00 US) for the whole day, and we bought his lunch. We considered it a bargain and gave him a little extra. He also took us on a private "sunset cruise" and pointed out a couple of sea turtles along the way. Really amazing! He charged 200 pesos for that, and again, it was a bargain! Have a wonderful trip! maria and if you find yourself at San Augustin, have someone show you Playa Coyote, which is a short walk from there. That just took my breath away! [%sig%]

Has anyone eaten at the restaurant at Casa del Mar recently? Two years ago the food was very good and the sunset fantastic. The most romantic restaurant we have been to in the area and that includes Quinta Real. However, the service was terrible. If you had the time to sip a few Margaritas while you waited for your food it was a wonderful place to spend the evening. I wonder if there have been changes there? [%sig%]

OK I have gotten enough snow of my driveway to write a trip report. Flew Skyservice from Toronto with no problems. I like the fight times very early on a Sunday morning gets you down there with plenty of pool time left on the first day. We took one of those collectivo suburbans from the Airport to Villas Coral near Arricito beach. It cost about 18 US for the two of us. We checked in to the villas coral which is an amazing little place. The Hori's who own it are wonderful people who are willing to do anything to make you happy. The views look out over an undeveloped cove. Because you are close to the water you can sleep to the pounding surf. Across the street from the entrance to the hotel is the parking lot for Arricito beach which is popular with the locals because of the good swimming. I don't think you can find a better deal for a room so close to the water in the area. We took the Jr. suite which is 850P per night and they tossed in breakfast. Unfortunatly the restaurant is not open for dinner at the moment as they had too few patrons. It is to bad because it is a great layout for a romantic dinner. I hope they can get it going again sometime. I must say this place is for people who want peace and quiet. There is no music playing and few guests. If you need to unwind this could be the place. OF course we had to eat out every night so here is the rundown. El Patio, used to be the tentacion. nice patio dinning away from the street chaos of La Cruccita. excellent meats. We loved the skewers of beef. ashay the waitress is an angel. Ve el mar, still great food at cheap prices but the Big rita's are going for 70p a pop. That is way too much. I did notice that drink prices were pretty high in some places. Great sea food. Dubin Cafe, chewed up a couple of steak subs and drank all of Vic's Baccardi. The subs were great. It's great place to meet people and tell tall tales. Hi to V&A. Fonda Dona Tomasa- Small menu, inexpensive, Nice upstairs view of the zocalo. No one spoke english. Very Mexican food. Had some pretty good mole. May be better place for lunch. Meson los Flores- Pretty place, we were the only people in the place. The owner was nice ans spoke some English. Soup and salad were good but the main dishes were not too good. I had snapper that was only fair and my wife had a steak dish that was way over done. It is inexpensive and I would try it again to see if it's better. Other stuff- We went fishing with Tony Lopez Lopez. We caught a boat load of Bonita and Tuna in two and a half hours. My wife got a little sea sick so we cut the trip short and headed to maguey for breakfast. Tony and Loco Rojo were fun to go out with. They had ok fishing stuff but we just nailed fish. If were were out a few more hours I think we could have sunk the boat with Tuna. Cost 180US for the trip plus tip and Breakfast for the boys. I may have paid a little too much but it was some of the best fishing I have ever had so no complaints. One Strange thing happened. Onthe way back to port we got stopped by the harbor master. He looked pretty stern and Tony and Rojo were talking a blue streak. They then opened the cooler and forked over one of the Tuna in order to get back to the dock. I had them clean up three for me which we took back the the hotel. They cooked us up a great meal for no charge! We gave the rest of the fish away. The hotel was too quiet for us so we went down to the Castillo beach club twice. It's a nice place on Chuey bay. You pay 25p to get in for the day. That gives you a nice palapa, use of the pool and you can buy drinks or Lunch. The drinks are good, the food was not. 36p for a strong rita was not too bad. Well that's enough for now. If you have questions fire away. Can't wait to get back. Adios from Greg and Janice AKA Goyo and Janni

Well folks, here is an ugly one. We came to Huatulco in the high season in December and had a car reservation with Advantage. We were supposed to pick the car up at the airport and go to Oaxaca. When we arrived, there was nobody at the rental desk. Eventually, somebody was nice enough to call them in the city and the manager told me that they didn't come because they don't have any cars. In fact, she said, they didn't even get my reservation. She said she will help me out the next day. We slept in a dump as we had no reservations and everything was fully booked. In fact, the dump where we stayed was also booked for the next night. So next day comes and guess what: still no car. I told the lady that she will have to find a place for us to sleep. She got scared that we WILL sleep in her office, so she got us a car. And now the punch line: as we are wainting someone else comes and offers more money and almost gets the car!!!! But by now I really make her employees mad and I insist that the reservation must have come. She pulls out about 20 reservations and says: Here these are all reservations to be filled!!!!! Of course mine was in there also! After a lot of arguing we do secure the car. Of course we get charged for the whole week as THAT'S HOW THE RESERVATION IS! (no refund for the day lost). You think it's done! Well hold on to your seat. We return the car 6 days later to the airport and again there is nobody there at the time that the contract expires. So we leave the keys with the rep from Budget and the way we go. I finally got my credit card statement. They overcharged me by 100%. So I call the headoffice in Texas and tell them what the problem is. My feel is that they know about these problems and advise me to write everything down and they will investigate it within 2 MONTHS!!!! So I just called my credit card company and reported it as fraud. Beware the bit of saving over Avis/Budget will be lost big time.

still about the same, new chef now, still very good, and if the romance is still there so is the view. some freinds are there now and say it is only 25% full, that is fine by me but not good for CDM. One of the most quiet romantic places in all Oaxaca.

Forgive me but I am trying to keep in site on the Visitors Comments page as it is my only notice to my new lodging, no working web site or add in tomzap yet.

sounds like par for the coarse. people like that should be fired and sent into the fields to pick coffee

what up with the part,,, fatman?????????

do you have heart shaped beds and mirrors on the ceilngs above them?? also do you have jacuzzis for two with bubble bath oil??

Greg and Janice, Thanks for your report. We noticed Villas Coral during our trip to Huatulco, but had never heard of anyone who had actually stayed there. Question: If you returned to Huatulco, where would you stay the next time? (I did post a review of our visit on the 27th, but it got lost... So here's a summary of our visit.) We were in Huatulco from the 9 - 23 of January. We stayed at the Barcelo again. It was clean and comfortable. They have have made changes to the beach restaurant to enlarge the food service area and they built more palapas on the beach (though the prime spots do go quickly). The food and service at their ala carte restaurant has declined, though the buffets for breakfast and lunch were more than adequate. I would suggest eating in town for dinner (please refer to other posts). We checked out some of the B&B's at Conejos and had a tour of the Overby's Sol y Mar -- a nice spot! We took a taxi to La Entrega and went snorkelling and had lunch there one day. We found Javier, the taxi driver who met last year. He is a responsible and careful driver -- a rarity in Mexico. He speaks no English and my Spanish is limited, but we got along well. He took us on a tour to Puerto Angel, Mazunte (including the turtle sanctuary), and Playa La Ventanilla. We had lunch at a little restaurant at La Ventanilla and sat back in the shade and listened to the ocean. We also had the pleasure of meeting Javier's family. Based on a couple of recommendations, we tracked down Valentino and he took us on a relaxing half day tour of the bays. We went as far as Cacaluta and stopped for some fishing and snorkelling along the way. Valentino is a very knowledgeable guide and fisherman and he is extremely proud of Huatulco. And yes we agree, Victor's Cafe Dublin is a great place to relax and have some good beer and conversation. And if you want to bring tears to an Irishman's eyes, bring him some good Irish whiskey. We were just going through our trip photos and can't wait to go back. Hasta luego. Paulo y Karen

Frank if you surgically have your tongue removed you'll lose the thirty pounds. Bob

Great pictures Victor, thanyou, see you February, Anne & Terry.

Hi Frank. Come to see me. I'll explain you how to use it. In fact, you'll be able to program your GPS to lead you directly to your favorite places, even if you are very much drunk. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

I think the last scenes were filmed in Guerrero State, not in Oaxaca. The place looks very similar to a place called Copala, about one hour and half away from Acapulco, heading to the south. Heither Maguey nor San Agustin have a restaurant similar to the one shown in the movie. Great movie by the way! Saludos de su amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Hi there. Could somebody coming soon get a little lithium battery for me? I'm looking for a Lithium 3 Volts battery CR 1/2 AA, also 1/2 AA or 1/2 R6 (the three are the same but the numbers vary accordingly with the manufacturer). It's half size a regular 1.5 V AA battery. I guess it can be bought at any photo or electronics shop. I need it for my dive computer that is running out of battery. Believe it or not, there are a lot of simple things that can't be get here in Huatulco. I'll really appreciate very much your help and of course, I'll pay for it.´ Thanks in advance. Saludos de su amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

ill try tomorrow

The 3 of us (all Marias) left chilly Chicago on Saturday the 18th, flying direct to Huatulco on an Apple Charter. I guess we landed around 9:00, we were checked in to the Castillo by 10:00 and enjoying cold beverages at La Crema by 10:30. My guess is, while our drinks were being served and our pizza prepared, some of the guys from our flight were still checking in at the Barcelo. It looked like 90% of the flight was going there. We opted for the Castillo because a) we got a great price on our package and b) we honestly do prefer to stay closer to town. You really can't beat the location of the Castillo, as far as I am concerned. Plus, its a nice hotel. Sunday was a lazy day. Even though we usually don't have anything to do with the organized Apple Vacations' tours and stuff, we actually had good intentions of going to the orientation, partly because we wanted to see the Zaashila, and also because I wanted to see Charlie Ramos about scuba diving. But, this being our first Sunday morning in Mexico for almost a year, we forgot that a "quick" cup of coffee is hard to find. We went across the street from our hotel to Cafe Huatulco. Guess what? They serve food now, and its good, but the service is, well, relaxed! Sunday morning, it was a cup of Chocolate Oaxaquena and a sweet tamale. The hot chocolate was out of this world!. (The tamale was also really good!) But, we missed our orientation and spent most of the day at the Castillo's beach club on Chahue. Its a really beautiful facility, with a nice swimming pool and a shaded hammock area, and clean bathrooms with TP! The beach was uncrowded and quiet, but the water was too rough to swim in. There was a waiter, but he really didn't do anything. Even if you got his attention, he didn't do much, and it was NOT busy. So, I'd call it a self service kind of place unless they hire a real waiter. 2 of us got our hair braided, 250 pesos each, but Maria B. should have paid double!! (ha ha!!) She has a lot of hair! I think the braids are fun, and I like not having to do much with my hair while I'm on vacation. We didn't do much else that day except lay in our chairs and take in a little sun. (Properly protected with sunscreen, of course....) That night we headed in to La Crucecita for dinner, and the taxi driver recommended El Pata for seafood, we said fine and there we went..... Good food at a good price, but we did have a hard time communicating with the waiter. I don't think he spoke a word of English, and that night, my limited Spanish was not up to the challenge. (I ended up with 2 dinners when I thought I was ordering an appetizer and a dinner.) After dinner, we went to our favorite drink place, Cactus, for mango dacquiris and pina coladas. Our bar tab was twice our dinner tab, I think, but they do make the best blender drinks in town! We ran into 2 old friends from previous trips- Sergio, a jewelry vender and really sweet man, and Ramon, the manager at Cactus. This was our 3rd trip to Huatulco, and this year especially, it really felt like coming home. Wow, look at this, I'm only on our first day and I'm rambling. I'll bet John is sorry he told me NOT to edit! Ha Ha!!! Monday, we spent most of the day at Maguey beach, where we found all the beach venders we missed the day before. Toe rings, coffee, chocolate, shells and Maria H finally got her hair braided. Maguey is really pretty, but it is also a long stop on the booze cruise, so it got crowded. The water was a little wavy, enough to stir up the sand and make snorkelling difficult. But I still tried! Monday night we went to dinner at a place in Tangolunda we had passed earlier in the day. Don Porfirio's. It looked fun, and it was. We enjoyed the music, the attentive waiters and the food was good. The price wasn't bad for an "upscale" restaurant, either. One of the things I wanted to do this trip was get my open water scuba certification. I did the pool training and took the written test, but I still needed to do 4 open water dives. Charlie Ramos took me on my first scuba dive last year, so I wanted him to help me get certified. Tuesday morning we stopped by his "office" at the Barcelo to arrange that, and also, Maria H. wanted to do the discovery scuba class. He did the pool training for her that afternoon, and I have to say, he did a really good job. He is just so patient, and made sure she was comfortable! We made arrangements to dive the next morning, and then we'd figure out when to make the remaining 3 dives. We spent the rest of the afternoon at La Entrega, where me met Jose, a panga captain. We arranged for a "private" bay tour for Thursday, since we were diving on Wednesday. Towards the end of the afternoon, Jose came back and offered to take us back to the Santa Cruz marina (practically door to door service for us!) in his boat, and that's when I used the magic words John Williams taught me on this board.....Puesta del Sol?? (me smiling as sweetly as I can) Quieres ver? (asks Jose) Oh, si, por favor! (See how easy??) So he agreed to come back for us at 5:30 and took us to watch the sunset. And I think I'll stop for now, because its late. Tuesday evening our vacation took a sad and an unexpected turn, but I'll get to that later............. adios por ahora! maria

Where I would stay next year depends on a few things. I chose the Villas coral because of a few things. Close to the ocean with a view, a pool, and a restaurant. Most of the B&Bs have a pool but are further from the ocean and only serve breakfast. Since Villas Coral does not serve dinner anymore it has that one drawback. In thinking about it probably the Camino real Z would meet my needs in one way or another. Now it becomes a question of money. It would cost at least $400 more US per week without breakfast. From what I understand meals are not inexpensive at the Z. If I only were spemding a few days In Huatulco the Villas coral would be an automatic choice. I would go back for a week as well, but it is just a little quiet for our lifestyle at the moment. I am still searching for the perfect place. Greg

Chicago Frank, are you in the photo sitting in the bar on Victor's website?

Joe What kind of car did you rent and what kind of rate? We're looking at renting for a couple of weeks in March and the cheapest rates are with Advantage.

hmmm- admittedly I am not up on my voodoo weight-loss spells or herbal remedies... however I will suggest that laying off the "beer jerky" can't hurt... [%sig%]

Halina, the "cracking up" level is 2 floors above Frank's beer office, can you please keep it down in there?

Frank, they've just devolped a new weight-loss programme in Irish hospitals, which is getting rave reviews. Apparently they take you to theatre and surgically remove all your bones...the results are amazing, for not only do you lose a lot of weight, but apparently you look a lot more relaxed afterwards also! Vic.

Do you think they'd find the coffee fields Frank??

Thanks Greg, Paulo and Karen....I'm still in tears!

I think getting a leprechaun to drive the Zephyr costs a lot more, check with your distributor.

Bob, what exactly does "Mr. Tomzap" mean? Should I, as one of the few foreigners actually living in Huatulco and advising people on the area, stop doing that? Café Dublin is definately not for everyone, and I regularly send people to LaCrema, Papaya etc. if I think they that's more what they're into. Whether on this site, or working behind my bar, my first duty is to try to help visitors to Huatulco get the most from their limited time here. Café Dublin is better suited to more settled people who want to spend a quiet evening playing cards or dominoes, or chatting with other foreigners who live in the town. If a couple of young Ameirican men, for example, come in and it seems to me their primary concern is meeting recipients for their over worked libidos, then I send them to LaCrema or one of the discos, and tell them Café Dublin is going to be a waste of time for them. This area is truely a paradise, but also not for everyone. I don't think sex and party driven Spring-Breakers would be too impressed here. Alejandra and I work 7 nights a week behind the bar, and we really enjoy trying to help people find their own peice of paradise in the limited time they have here. Even if that means sending their dollars to another night spot. I sensed a bit of resentment in your "Mr Tomzap" remark and am just curious what you mean. Vic.

Yesterday Pauline, her parents and I went for our anniversary dinner to the Mambo restaurant and it was absolutely perfect. I really can´t imagen what happened to Dan to come up with such negative comments. Delicious food, perfect ambience and very friendly waiters. Definitely worth a visit! Roberto www.hurricanedivers.com

no. not me in photo [%sig%] Post Edited (01-31-03 20:29)

where can i buy some--- you 2 mama tabeen.--- i hear this is a great drink [%sig%] Post Edited (01-31-03 23:47)

The Cactus has a policy of not putting it's drinks prices on the menu, it's left up to the waiter's discretion how much he can get out of naive tourists. That's why your drinks cost so much. Cactus is a great restaurant, but visitors beware, ask how much your drinks will cost before ordering, and check this with the prices you see in other places. Vic.

Wonderfull report, Maria! Keep posting more and I STILL say keep your editing to a minimum. We wanna hear it all!

Great reviews. Post more!

I have read things that I hope are not true. Has anyone been to or noticed the progress at Las Brisas? It can't be that bad can it? Going soon.

bring your overhauls and you can help with the construction work and maybe get a discount on your stay

Could anyone tell us how far is the city of Oaxaca, and how can we get there? We have 2 children a 13 year old girl and a 8 years old boy... what kind of things would you recommend for them? [%sig%]

Actually Victor, To be fair, they were good drinks, good sized, and we had a few of them. The manager and the waiters remembered us from last year and treated us pretty well. They still get my vote for the best "blender drinks" in town! maria

Julie Suggest a date and time. gg from Chicago

I picked up a duracell,,cr2-- 3 volt lithium today. is that the right one. short and fat says for cameras though.?????

is that like a ,,,moo-too-bahama-amen type of drink??

is gg,,,,free free

confusious say::: duck who flys upside down--is sure to have crack up!!

hey vic,,,what part of your bar is farting allowed in???do you have a fart fan???

good one there bob. paybacks are a bitch [%sig%] Post Edited (01-31-03 20:30)

consider taxis. if a rent a car cost 50 dollars a day thats 500 pesos. the average taxi ride in huatulco is 15 to 20 pesos. you would have to take 25 taxi rides a day to equal 500 pesos. if you take say 6 taxi rides in one day that 120 pesos and you still got 380 pesos for say if you want the taxi man to go far. or 500 pesos a day times 7 days is 3500 pesos for car. if you use the taxi for say 4 days at 6 rides a day local thats 480 pesos. that leave you with 3000 pesos and for that a taxi will take you to oaxaca and back twice and you can relax let him do the driving and dont have to worry about gas or wreaking the car..... just something to think about... [%sig%]

Bob, you wrote that you were disapointed with the quality of tourism in Huatulco compared to Cozumel. I have never been to Cozumel and am curious as to how Cozumel is better that Huatulco, tourism wise. Is there more to do, less people, better places to eat, cheaper, nicer water, less people on the beaches, better places to stay, colder beer, better weather, better pools or something else.I ask because if it is better I may want to check it out. Thanks for turning me on to a good place to go to. PB

Hi Carlos, will check Monday, should be no problem, see you Friday 7th., regards, Anne & Terry.

Just returned from the Gala and went out with Valentino. We went looking for dolphins, and luckily came across two adult Grey Whales and a pod(?) of dolphins to boot! But from what I hear, it is hit and miss, so you might, you might not.

hey frank glad that you can receive e'm as well as you give them. Bob

Or.... you could take a taxi 25 times each day for 6 days. That would be 350 taxi rides! If you do all that riding around at night, you probably won't need to rent a hotel room.. and, at $100 a night, you'll save $600... more than enough to fly to Oaxaca, rent another cab to Monte Alban, and have enough for a few pints at Cafe Dublin when you get back! Your options are endless. Mike Mike

Hi Frank. Thanks but I'm sorry, the CR2 is not the right one. The battery I need is exactly one half the size of a regular AA battery, same width and diameter. Terry and Anne. I've told Nain to reseve your palapa at the Gala!. Thanks for taking care of my needs. I've learnes that this battry is used in some desktop computers ( the internal battery that keeps the computer's clock working). By the way, you have choosen a good day to arrive. I born in February 7th. See you soon friends. Saludos de su amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Cozumel used to be a great spot for scuba diving (probably into the top tens). The waters are crystal clear, the barrier reef is the second largest in the world (the first is the Great Barrier of Australia) that runs along the coast of Yucatan-Central America, but the number of divers is overhelming. The reefs are still nice, but there are too many divers at the same time. Life there is expensive ( I lived there for a short time before coming to Huatulco, 14 years ago). Taxis are very expensive (I went last year in August). There more things to do (talking about night life). Weather is rainy and it's in the path of the Caribbean-Atlantic hurricanes. There are at least 140 scuba diving operators and accordingly with some statistics, 36% of US citizens traveling outside of US go to Cozumel. Last year I went there to check it out thinking to move back (there are better oportunities for a SCUBA diving instructor), but in spite of the best economic situation, life in Huatulco has much better quality. Cozumel receives an average of 5 cruiseships a day. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Well, if you work in a cube farm and pass gas as you walk through, it's known as "cropdusting". When the heads of cube farm denizens start popping up over the partitions to see what's going on - possibly as a result of cropdusting - it's known as "prairie dogging". Is there a special term for cropdusting in an Irish bar?

Well, the movie may have been shot elsewhere - and had there been a film crew in the area, it's a lock that Charlie would have known about it - but if you're in a boat out of Huatulco, Boca del Cielo is right around the next rocky point.

With children that age, flying is probably the best bet. Overland, it'll take a day each way - though there are overnight busses. In Oaxaca, there are colonial buildings, museums, archaeological sites for Pre-Colombian civilizations, as well as a mountain climate. If you're asking what there is for the KIDS to do in Oaxaca, point out the direction of the beach and the direction of the mountains and let THEM decide what to do! (Honestly, I'd have to know a lot more about your kids to make any real suggestions.)

Man, MY vote would be to let the Las Brisas construction have a little more time - for that kind of money, you could stay in a villa in Residential Conejos and be garaunteed more luxurious digs. Let's face it, the Med had really gotten run down - it was the first Tangolunda property, after all. And even had it not been a bit "down at the heels", turning it into a real resort is an incredible task. The rooms were SO dinky, lots of walls have to be torn out. And real amenities installed, the lack of which was an attraction to the Med-ites. The reports I've been reading are what you would expect for a place undergoing such a total transformation. But it does have the best beaches by far in Tangolunda...

I remember the first time I saw the place from our hotel. With the 4 colored towers all I could think was that this must be a village for the teletubbies. Las Brisas seems to be a high class outfit and I would not knock the place without giving it a chance. Greg

Vic... I think Frank's sweet on you ! JOHN

Thanks John for the info about Oaxaca, we did not know how far the city is from Huatulco... I think we better stay by the beach and enjoy the place. I would like to know what kind of activities would you suggest for the kids in Huatulco. I have read some of the comments and they said that the sea by the Gala can be rough and with undercurrents.... so is it safe for my 8 year old to play with his bodyboard or should we plan to go to a different beach?...which one would you suggest for bodyboarding? We will be traveling from Nova Scotia, Canada on March 7th with a stop in Cuernavaca for 3 days and then Huatulco on the 10th... is there anyone going at that time?

Buenos dias We are looking today when we are out............ We will be at the Barcelo on Thurs... Will let you know later today Hasta luego Greg [%sig%]

carlos ITS 3.6 VOLTS!! looking all over for 3 volts. got it at local dive shop. 13 dollars usd.

Frank, there are 5 fart fans in Café Dublin. Please inform the waitress below which one you would like to be seated and she will be quite happy to comply. Sub-fart fan seating can also be reserved by calling 1-800-F-A-R-T-A-S-S. John, Frank is a tease and flirts with all the boys who own bars.

Whew. Those numbers are overwhelming. I need a beer flavoured coffee!!!

Having just returned from Huatulco last night, and having taken a ton of photos of Los Brisas from across the water (never mind a torturous walk to just above the resort, I think that one might want to wait till it is finished construction as the noise of tearing down the walls and the dust from the constant trucks going in and out might be distracting to a nice vacation. However, only a small portion of the resort is open as of yet, saw a few lights on at night and a few umbrellas open on the beach.

I just saw Las Brisas from the ocean for the first time Wednesday, and couldn't beleive the colours of those towers. Some architect down here is in serious need of a programme to get him off those mushrooms! Vic.

I met Victor and Alejandra one night at the Pub I drank lots of Corona and owed a few pesos I ate the best darn burgers in Mexico and owed next to nothing The BLT was superb, and I owed them so little The company and ambience was oustanding and I owed them a smile The advice and info was priceless and free, I owed them not one thing I met some great people, Vic and Alex included, For making my week, I owe them my thanks.

Maria, sorry but you were ripped off. In any other restaurant in town, spending more on your drinks than your food would result in your leaving the place on a stretcher. The manager and waiters remembered ripping you off last year too! There's a reason why they don't post drink prices on their menu.

We met a customer one night in my bar, His memory unblemished...without a scar. As good as my burgers, his pesos were fab, The Coronas were many, so up went his tab. His appetite for fun missed him his flight, And so we would see him night after night. A burger in one hand, Corona in the other, Alejandra was slowing becoming his mother. "I've gotten a flight!"..soon came the news, So sadly and end was put to his booze. A friendship was born, slowly that week, One that is durable, and not for the weak. So, maybe we'll see you the same time next year, Let me know when...I'll stock up on the beer! Cheers George, Vic & Alex.

This is a somewhat belated trip report of my time in the area from Jan 5th to Jan 19th. Been busy since I got back, fighting -30 degree weather and finally have a chance to relax. We were in a group of about 40, we went down for my sister's wedding on the beach at Gala. There were actually 3 weddings on the beach that week, a great setting just before the sun went down. The wedding went off perfectly, nothing beats a barefoot beach wedding. Carlos, thanks to you and Jorge for photographing the event, my sister was very happy with the results!! The resort was good, staff very helpful at all times, food plentiful and enjoyed by most people. They have a different theme for the food each night, trying to add a little variety to the event. We went to a few restaurants in town as well, just to try something different from hotel food. The kids activity department did a superb job, most of the youngsters were happier to stay there swimming etc. than staying with their parents which worked out for everyone. There is a nightly show for all the family, the theme changes daily. For some it may be a little amatuerish, but they put their hearts into the show and almost every night had a packed audience, especially when they were doing the extravaganza show and both men and women were in skimpy outfits! If you go to bed before 11pm, make sure not to take a room on this side unless you want a balcony view of the show. It's loud. At about midnight, everyone heads down to the disco, which stays open until 2am. Drinks are included. Your fridge has 2 bottles of pop, water and mini-Corona. Slip $5 in the door of your fridge with a note if you prefer more of one than the other. The beach stretches from Gala past Barcelo and Quinte Real, so makes a pleasant stroll. It was very calm when I was there, but I was told that when there are decent sized waves you have to be very careful of the undertow. There are other much nicer beaches to visit if you feel like leaving the hotel. The beach vendors will show you their wares, but will leave you alone if you are not interested. My second week I stayed at a small family run hotel in Crucecita, just a hop, skip and a stagger away from a fantastic little pub -Cafe Dublin- run by Victor and Alejandra. I enjoy absorbing the sights, sounds and smells of the local areas I visit, so my daily routine was to meander around town, walking all the way from the top to the bottom and then finding a restaurant at which to enjoy lunch. On occasion my Spanish was not good enough to understand what the daily special was, but I told them to bring it on just the same. Kind of like "Surprise of the day." I was never disapointed. In the afternoons, another walk and then a nap before heading out for the night. Of course, one of Victor's burgers or BLT's were what I needed to fortify me for the rest of the evening, especially when I encountered the "English drinking team" After a day of Spanish with the locals, it was back to English speaking with Vic and many of his regulars, including quite a few Mexican people who enjoy practising their language skills with the tourists. After a great night at Cafe Dublin, on the week-end nights the crowd would move to La Papaya, a huge open air disco. They also have an aqaurium with a couple of girls swimming around in bikinis for your visual pleasure. This was the busiest and best club I visited while there. I did not venture out of town much during the daytime, except to see a couple of beaches, but there is so much available if you are interested in keping busy. You can go on an ATV tour, go scuba diving, visit all the beutiful bays(Check out Vic's aerial photos) rent a boat or go on a cattle run(Sardine like) and possibly see dolphins and whales. I know there is so much I failed to cover, but I think Huatulco has a little something for everyone. So, visit, enjoy and report back here and let us know how it went!

Thanks Victor, I was never good at getting endings to rhyme, always get stuck on orange! (With apologies to Keats et al)

Sometimes I'm a little bit stupid. I did not suggest to look for it in a dive shop! The computer is a TUSA IMPREX II IQ 400, spare part number K5546. If they would have the o'ring spare part K5508 would be great. This computer is exactly the same that the SUUNTO FAVOR, so if they have any of these two brands would be fine.This computer is exactly the same that the SUUNTO FAVOR, so if the dive shop has any of these two brands would be fine. About the voltage, I've been searching in the ineternet and there are two different voltages for the same battery: 3.0 and 3.6. I'm not sure if both work well. Thank you very much for your help. Saludos de su amigo. Charlie.

Hi Victor, and sorry our visit was so short... when you travel with others you tend to have to tag along after them, and they were dusty and wanted to head back to the beach rather than sit in town for a few beers! Tried to bomb them away from the resort a couple of nights later, but no luck - they were resort rats! Your place looked great tho and would have liked to have sat down with you over a burger (Kellie said they were terrific) and a couple of beer. Oh well, next year, as we are definately heading back next year for sure... our best destination ever! Cheers... Kathy

Frank, Alejandra has just informed me of a new policy we shall be introducing at the bar, I think your question prompted her into action. Starting tomorrow, all customers will be required to fill out a brief questionaire as you enter, what you ate recently, and where etc. Certain foods will be tagged on the answer sheet and we regret that anyone who recently ate those foods will not be given a choice of seating. The digestion of those items within a 24 hour period will demand that you seat yourself below the newly installed "MK1V Rolls Royce Turbo-Prop Fart Fan" that we've just found at the local airline wreckers yard. We regret any inconvenience, and hope that you enjoy your evening at Café Dublin...once we get you strapped into your seat. (Take my advice, if you had any kind of chile/egg mixture for dinner, don't wear loose clothing or jewellery). I think we'll get the crops dusted now John. Vic.

Good report, George! Now tell us more! Remember any restaurant names? Dishes? Inquiring voyeurs need to know!

Spoken like a true perveyor of alcohol as the drug of choice, Victor! Some folks keep coming back to Mexico for the mushrooms from San Jose del Pacifico and Palenque!

There is the mobility issue of a rental car. For some of us, the Mexican public transportation system is a thing of wonder. You can get anywhere by bus or in the back of a truck. You meet people; see sights; smell aromas; experience culture. But for others, being in a small can with a bunch of people who are different - even to the extent of speaking another language - can be very intimidating. Even negotiating a private taxi and driver for the day can seem hard until you actually try it. And there's the privacy issue. In a rental car, you can find a really deserted beach and perhaps remove more clothing than you would in front of a taxi driver - or even participate in activities for which you'd rather not have witnesses! So rental cars certainly fulfill a niche.

I am torn between taking our vacation at the Gala or trying Costa Rica. Can anyone tell me what the weather is like right now and generally how warm is it the first week of March in Hautulco. Any info on the Gala would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

You are only ripped off when you feel you have been ripped off. If the Marias feel that they were treated fairly, they were.

Well, John, as it was already a lengthy post, I did not want to add to much more. The Grillero Marinera was recommended, but upon arrival found it opened later. We went to El Pata, I ordered the octopus, the others had the seafood cocktail. Unfortunately, I was not specific on how I wanted it, they diced it when I was hoping for a stew(Language miscommunication) I noticed some staff from Gala hotel eating there too-is that a recommendation? At Tostados I tried the Tlayuda Mixta- a similar dish to a pizza, many different varieties. At Oasis we went as a group and just shared a number of plates-the best way to experience different foods if you don't have too much time in town. Unfortunately, because of personal health reasons, I could not stray too far from town so I was unable to enjoy the restaurant on the beach. Visited Quinte Real for my sister's wedding photos and the dinner menu looked impressive. We were unable to get a closer look as the Governor of Oaxaca and the Mayor of Hualtulco and their entourage were dining at the time. Obviously a few others I have forgotten, but hopefully by my next visit I will have my health problems sorted out and can be more adventurous.

Lisa. Most of the info you need on the Gala is in these > John, I would tend to disagree on that one. IF they were overcharged a number of times, that means at some point during their trip they may forgo another activity because of the lack of funds. This would be a rip off. Of course the overcharging wouldn't break them, but still it is something I generally keep an eye out for when travelling. However, I have no proof of any such thing happening, so perhaps much like myself, they enjoy large sevings of cold alcoholic beverages. Hmmm... I'm getting thirsty.

What's up with this guy. It's pathetic the way Vistor is trying to discredit his competitors with his warnings and anecdotes. My ear Victor, you have a bunch of bad anecdotes about yourself and your own bar. Why don't you warn visitors against your own bad manners toward local people and mexican tourists? Why don't you tell the bad experiences local customers have experienced in you bar? Do you believe this board is read only by foreigner tourists? Do you believe you are the only bar owner reading this board? You are saying that Catus owner is a thief, at that can be dangerous for your healt, your economya, as well as for your migratory situation. Sorry, we mexicans don't like tasteless guinnes having excellent mexican beers. Sorry, but mexican people don't like bigmouths. Sorry, we don't pay with US cash and don't bring insipid beers for you. Why don't you let your "fans" know about the locals that have been got out of your bar for elemental facts like asking you a canned coke when you served machine one. Why don't tou tell about the bunch of locals prefering to stay well away of your bar. Why do you only recomend tourist services owned by foreign guys?. Are you constituting a kind of foreign legion in HUtaulco or it is just you hate mexicans or only your friends-customers are welcome and deserve your quality aprobation? Are you trying to stablish "The Victor's Choice"? I find your coments and references regarding some other places like el Cactus and la Crema innapropiate and offensive. You have been in Huatulco for barely one year but you counsel as if you were the oldest pioneer in town. You are making money in Mexico but you don't like Mexican people? Bad for you. Just review Victor's suggestions: fishing? an american guy; dinning? a French guy and i could continue.You know me and i won't put my butt in your pub's chairs never again. You are very "kindly" referring people to La Crema and saying Cactus is a good restaurant. I'm sure Lalo ( who has worked very hard for SEVERAL years to build a renowned bar) is the happiest man on earth thanks to your "friendly" referrals. I'm sure Toño, the owner of Cactus, won't be happy to read that you call him thieve. For your knowledge, Toño runs the Cactus 14 years ago. Don't tell you nothing that?. Don't make me laugh with your "fair" advises. I'm also surprised: a bar business man don't know that the common rule is to pay more for drinks than for food? If you buy five or six drinks you'll be paying more than you would for a steak. My advise?: follow the advise of the falks that REALLY know Huatulco. Victor is the new kid in the neighborhood and wants to be the movie's star. This is the first time I see such dirty competition style on this board. Toño and Lalo will know if they don't already have done, know about your "fair counsel" regarding their bars. And yes, getting a Mexican girlfriend is a good strategy to be accepted in the town.

Ooh please, tears are coming out my eyes.... snif snif snif. That's so cute!

Alejandro. I don't know or care about your issues with anyone. I enjoyed my stay there and Cafe Dublin was a part of it. If you don't like us having some fun on this board, please don't read or respond to the posts. Thanks.

Maria. Unfortunately your story has been diverted somewhat, but I am still interested in hearing more. Please continue.

Could you tell me more about that Panga tour? How much, how long a tour and where do you go to get it? We are going there for the first time in March and we can use all kind of tips..

Yes, Maria you have not finished your trip report and I have not been able to get anything done in anticipation of the rest of your trip report. The first part was really good. Now write. PB

Read Maria's trip report and that will answer your questions and probably answer more questions that may pop into your mind before you go. PB

Maria, I concur-- great report thus far!! [%sig%]

got it ,,,,dont worry ,,,,and it the right one,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,with o-ring

thank you vic,,,now i can fart with peace of mind and not be fart concious. you dont happen to sell fart silencers do you. my local drug store ran out.???

next time buy a bottle of what ever at the liquor store and keep it in your purse and keep refilling your drink when no ones looking. its alot cheaper. b.y.o.b..............................all this bar to bar fighting is making me want to quit drinkin and become a missionary. [%sig%] Post Edited (02-01-03 17:42)

I don't what day yet but I will let you know in a few days......ahhhhh only 7 more days until we are warm and in the sun.

Hi Frank. Thank you very much for your help. I'll pay you upon your arrival. Any message for Valentino? Greg, Anne & Terry: thank you anyway. Frank aka Duracell Rabit has got it. Saludos de su amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

First off I do have to say that Kellie C looked great in braids!! haha We were actually able to find each other on Sunday and were able to spend some time together around the resort and on outings. We arrived at the Gala on the 24th and after a lineup in the hot sun, waiting on the tarmac to be "processed" - wearing our winter woolies - we were escorted on the "kamikaze" bus ride to the Gala. The Gala is a "small enough to know you, large enough to lose you resort". We had a very nice room on the 3rd floor with a lovely view of the ocean. While most rooms (and we do have to stretch it here) have a view to the ocean, some are merely a hint. Personally I found that if you were looking at the Gala with your back to the ocean, you best rooms were on the 2-4 floor on the right side. All rooms facing the ocean face on are Gala Club rooms, and with that privilage comes a hefty price tag. Many looked just like my room, only fully facing the ocean. Not enough difference in my mind to warrrant the extra $$. Food was the usual "STUFF YOU FACE" all you can eat... not terrific, not bad, pretty well what you get all over at most other places. Having said that, each meal there was at least one item that caught my attention and made that meal worth eating. We did manage to wander into La Crucicita twice, once to exchange money, and once to poke around with friends. Nice town, not over run with tourists, clean and friendly. We were able to introduce ourselves to Victor at the Dublin only to get dragged away by friends anxious to get back to the beach (sorry Victor for not even getting a chance to grab a beer!!). Met up with Valentino on the beach (look for Frisbee) and he took us (including Kellie and her hubby) on the outing of a lifetime where we were able to frolic with whales (still trying to figure out what kind??) and dolphins, and saw tons of sea turtles, caught some fish (some kind of tuna) saw some lovely beaches, and snorkeled in Tortuga and La Entrega (where we were the only non Mexicans there!!) Saw oodles of fish, went into a cave, watched the blowhole do it's show, held a puffer fish and starfish, and generally had a wonderful time!! Highly recommend him as a tour guide on the water. Went on a horse back riding tour also (dragged Kellie along on this one too), thru the jungle (too bad so dry in January) and then onto the beach. Personally I wouldn't recommend it, but that is just my opinion. It was interesting to talk with the guide however, who spoke very good english and told us many facts about the wildlife in the area... so not a total bust! Took a whack of photos (690) and once I finish sorting them all out will post onto the net and send the link for those interested. If you want a giggle, there is a "party bus" that goes by in front of the Barcelo each night around 9ish. You can't miss it, loud music coming from it. The goal is to get the bus to stop and encourage the ppl on the bus to get off it and come dance in the street with you... give it a try, we had a blast! We are already planning on going back next year, this has been our best destination yet in Mexico!! Cheers... Kathy

Hi Lisa. The weather in Huatulco in march is incredible. High 80's, no rain at all. The ocean could be a little bit rough during 3 or 4 days. Huatulco's rainy season starts in late june and the average is no more than 30 days a year. On the other hand, is well known that Coata Rica is in the rain belt due to its proximity with the ecuator. So you have more chance to find rain out in Costa Rica than here. If you need more information just let me know. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

I agree. The coast of Oaxaca is the best place in Mexico I have been too. What other places in Mexico have you been. Just to know what you are comparing it to. Bob G. likes Cozumel better. I tried to find out why but he has not answered yet. PB

Hi there, While my husband and I were in Huatulco in January, we did walk into the Las Brisas property and one of the security guards ended up giving us a tour! They are still doing construction/renovation on what appears to be half of their total rooms, and they are converting rooms into suites. We did see one of the rooms -- decor is WHITE, all WHITE -- but queen sized bed, fridge, TV, great view, and all the other typical hotel room comforts. There were virtually no guests at the resorts, though the guard said that they were expecting to be busier in February. I would expect that they would need to do some heavy promotion.... We did get a brochure from the front desk and rooms were going for 2000 pesos per night (or about $200 US) - now with that you had the option of breakfast, a room upgrade, or drink credits. They do have a beautiful property -- at least 8 tennis court, a huge lap pool, three beach areas, and nicely landscaped grounds. BUT, if you are mobility impaired, the place is not for you. Going to the dining room or the beach from one of the upper level rooms would require quite a hike downhill, let alone the return trip. Give Las Brisas another year anyway.....find another place in Huatulco..... or go to Las Hadas in Manzanillo if you want to stick with the Las Brisas chain.

I am detecting a lot of hostility here on the Board lately. There appears to be a growing sentiment of discontenct on many fronts- bars, beer, AI's, Resorts, Restaurants, Beaches, Activities, etc etc. There are essentially two problems in my opinion. The first: A lack of planning. In order to optimise the "quality" of your vacation in Huatulco, it is necessary to do some research before hand. Consider these for example: *Car Rentals are unnecessary if you plan to stay in the local viscinity- $2 pretty much gets you anywhere *FLY TO OXACCA CITY- don't drive (takes too long) $2800 P will get you in and out with no problems (stay at the Fiesta Inn- right near the airport) *Scooter Rentals are fun (experience makes them more fun) *Hire a private Tour guide for specialty trips ie coffe planation, turtles, bay tours; cattle cars and boats are never fun unless you go with a large group and consume large quantities of alcoholic beverages *Bring your own Golf clubs and go early in the morning *Book hotels before you go- get info on the better ones- Best Western Chaue in my oppinion for price, quality, service, and comfort is at the top of the list for Hotels in the area - excellent family that owns it; all staff are very professional ( basic English but anything can be done with a pencil and a few handmovements) *Restaurants vary from $75 USD (2 persons) prime rib at Don Porfirio's to your typical Mexican meal $20 US *Dress Code- as relaxed or formal as you want, however I've never seen anyone frowned upon for shorts and sandals. This is a relaxing environment- who wants to where a tie on vacation? *Crime is almost non-existent- or at least very low and you don't see hoards of beggers (maybe one or two but you see them in NYC as well) *If its dope and hooker you're after you wont find them as easily - go to Puerto Escondido *LIFE EXISTS OUTSIDE THE RESORT- but you have to leave the resort to discover the real Huatulco Now the second problem: culturally insensitive tourists! AI's are the same everywhere- EU, Carribian, Mediiteranian etc etc. What else do you expect other than a cheap rendition of American food. Why does everyone expect a Mexican to make a hamburger the same way an American does? I'm sure they think that our TACO BELL is pretty lame for Mexican food. Besides, anyone that goes to an AI or semi AI resort is simply looking for 7 days of relief from sub-zero weather and a truly uninteresting and mundane job. Sun, sand, and beach- oh yeah and a massive cancerous sunburn so that everyone knows you went somewhere warm for a week and is now envious of your economic staus; even though they don't know you charged it to your credit card and payed 18% more becasue you can't afford to pay it off by the end of the month. Pretentious people fill the pool area and beaches all feeling good about themselves beacause they went to the elite 5 stars (now they're mad because they forgot some rich people have kids) and everyone who went to 3 stars is angry because they expect 1st class service (forgetting that they weren't so wise to pay 1st class price for 3rd class qaulity). Just because our skin is white we expect everyone who serves us to kiss our ass and say yes sir just to get graced by your generousity and toss a few extra pesos onto the tab. Remeber you get what you pay for and you're treated the same way you treat others. Resorts and AI's serve their purpose- to give us northerners a break from a dreary cold winter and boring life, oh and also keep our kids busy so we can get hammered by the pool and de-stress from our jobs. Huatulco is truly the "hidden treasure" of Mexico, but it's too bad many culturaly insensitive people are frequenting this Message Board and giving it a bad name. Huatulco is not a "nightlife" vacation paradise but a "quality of life" vacation paradise. You can get as simple or adventerous as you want, spend as little or as much money as you want. And what's wrong with liking the finer things in life where at least here you can afford them: that is the beauty of Huatulco. The area is rich historically, archeologically, and culturally. Remeber this is Mexico, not North America, so don't expect everything to be up to North American standards. That's the reason you are going to Mexico and and not Florida (also beacuase no one can afford Florida anymore). Where else can pay a private tour guide $250 USD to drive you and your family through the Sierra Madre Mountains to the middle of no where just to swim in pristine waterfall, or taste a real and pure cup of coffee at 3,500 ft (could be wrong but its the effect that I'm after) above sea level? How else can you see, hear and feel how another culture lives and breathes and struggles so close to see them just as interested in you and your white skin as you are in them with their open fires cooking totillias. Vacations in a foreign land by their nature are cultural; accept them for what they are; respect them for who the are; and be grateful to be able to witness first hand the human condition in another world through another's eyes. Vacation and explore Mexico through Huatulco, don't vacation in Huatulco to revist America!! RW

Sorry for the delay, but here goes....... Tuesday, just before sunset, our new friend Jose picked us up at La Entrega in his panga and took us out to see the sunset. Wow, there really aren't words for the experience, and I only hope the pictures we took do it some kind of justice. We were probably out there for 40 minutes or so, and then he took us back to the marina in Santa Cruz. After a short visit at the market with our buddy Sergio, we went back to the hotel. We were laughing and happy after such a great day. But when I stopped at the desk to turn in our towels, there was a message for Maria H. to call home. We knew it was bad news, though not completely unexpected. Her terminally ill father had passed away that day, so our next project was to get her back to the states to be with her family. Tuesday night was frustrating. It was impossible to reach anyone or make any plans, but once we accepted that, things went better. For her last night, Maria wanted to go back to Don Porfirio's. We'd had a lot of fun there the night before, and we enjoyed the music they played. (mostly oldies from the 70s and 80s) Just a night to enjoy and keep her mind off things. Once again, good food (we splurged with lobster) and super attentive waiters. After sharing our leftovers with a nice guy at the bar, someone managed to flag down a bus load of mariachis leaving the Barcelo, and they serenaded our table. What a riot! Just the kind of night Maria needed. First thing Wednesday morning, Marysol, the apple rep, called, and worked on the arrangements to get Maria back to her family. And I just have to say, she did a great job, and we all really appreciated it. Maria's mom was in Arkansas, not Chicago, and getting her there as quickly as possible was no easy feat. Marysol was a pro and put it together. Maria was on the next flight to Mexico City, with 2 more connecting flights. 12 hours later she was with her family. Apple sent a minivan to take her to the airport, and they let us come with, but getting back we were on our own. After a lot of hugs and a few tears, Maria H was on her way to the states, leaving me and Maria B to figure out what to do with the rest of the day. We knew Santa Maria Huatulco was near the airport, and decided it was worth a visit. We walked off the airport towards the road, and a taxi was literally waiting right outside the gate. We told him where we wanted to go, and once he realized we meant it, he said, sure, no problemo. He dropped us off in front of the atm in Santa Maria Huatulco, near the church and the "civic center" and agreed to meet us back there in 2 hours. He even recommended a spot for lunch. (And, he wouldn't let us pay him just then, said we could pay him when he dropped us off at the hotel later, which we did) We saw the church, wandered the streets for a while, and found the little restaurant for lunch, and also stopped at the open air museum. It was a nice way to spend a couple of hours, a little bit closer to the "real Mexico" I guess. When we got back to the hotel, there was still plenty of sunshine, so we spent the afternoon at the Castillo's beach club. I was content just to watch the water and listen to the surf for awhile, and that's a great spot to do it. Dinner was at Meson Los Flores, still one of our favorites since our first trip to Huatulco, then we went into LaCrucecita to finally stop in and visit Cafe Dublin. Great spot, and they do have the coldest beer in town. We had already eaten, but the burgers looked and smelled fabulous. The people were friendly, what more can I say?? A real Irish pub in Mexico- go figure! Thursday was our private bay tour with Jose, and it was really awesome, and again, so easy to arrange. We met him at 10:00 at Playa La Entrega, and he dropped us off at the marina in Santa Cruz at 5:30 or so. He took us from La Entrega to San Augustin, stopping to snorkel at Isla Cacaluta, and stopping at Playa Cacaluta and a few others just to get out and look around. He knew the name of every beach, and where the best snorkelling was. (San Augustin before or after the booze cruisers leave!) He also showed us Playa Coyote, which is just a short walk from San Augustin. That whole day just reminded me of why I love Huatulco so much. So many beautiful unspoiled beaches, and kids like Jose who genuinely enjoy sharing them with us. It was great day, but we were sad that Maria H wasn't there to enjoy it with us, and sad for her and her family, and hoping they were getting by OK. We didn't see any whales or dolphins while we were out on the ocean, but we did see a few sea turtles. Hours later I could still feel the gentle rocking motion of the boat and hear the sound of the waves. (I mean that in a good way!!!) Since he spent all day with us, he asked for 1000 pesos, but we gave him a little more. He went out of his way for us, and we felt that he deserved it. We went back to the hotel and cleaned up a bit, then back into town for dinner and a little more shopping. (We both had some special requests from friends back home) We decided to eat at Cactus. I tried on of their specialties- the Mulcajete. That's a clay pot/ bowl filled with diffferenty kinds of meat, cheese, cactus and onions in a really tasty sauce and served with tortillas. It was sooo good, but enough food to feed a family of 4! I barely made a dent, and I walked away full. The guys there (and the waiters at Don Porfirios) were telling us about La Papaya and how its nice, and we should go dancing and they'll all be there after they get off work. We thought, sure, why not? Well, it was still a little early, and I had some gifts I didn't want to lug around, so we went back to the hotel and made the fatal mistake of laying down "just for a minute"! We were OUT after such a long full day and a big dinner. No disco that night!! We had signed up for the coffee plantation tour for Friday, and used the group that operated in front of the Castillo. I'd read on this board that they were reputable, and the price seemed reasonable. There were 10 of us, plus the driver, and Maria and I were the only "gringas". The van was a tad crowded for such a long drive, but at least it wasn't the back of a pickup! Personally, I think the tour is worth it just for the waterfalls. We spent a couple of hours swimming, enjoying the natural jacuzzi, and using the rope swing. Not to mention a nice little jump off a ledge into another pool by another waterfall. (I don't think they thought we really would do it, and if I was up there I'm sure I would have heard "Gringas Locas" or something like that!) The lunch was good, and of course we had to bring some coffe beans home. How often do you get a chance to pick up freshly roasted coffee beans right from where they are grown and roasted? It was a long drive back to the hotel and we got back after sunset. Our last night in Huatulco! What to do?? Dinner was at Los Portales/ The Iguana Bar. The Iguana coctails are still tasty and refreshing, and Luis is still a charming host. They were actually quite busy that night, and I was happy to see that. I think I had my best dinner of the week there- tacos al pastor with pineapple salsa! and the prices were sooooo reasonable. 25 or 30 pesos for a plate of tacos- pretty hard to beat. We walked around a little bit more and stopped at Cactus for a Pina Colada. We decided we just had to try and experience some of Huatulco's night life, so we were going to La Papaya. Ramon gave us a note so we could get in with no cover charge, and we headed over there around 11:00. So, here's MY review of La Papaya. I guess its a nice place IF you are into that sort of thing. Me, I'm really not. Cafe Dublin or La Crema are both a lot more my style. And, I also think anyone who makes a disco club mix out of a Santana song (as well as any DJ who plays it) should be shot in front of a firing squad- no last meal, no cigarette!!! The load thumping bass beat and the flashing strobe light were really getting to me. Luckily, one of our new friends from Cactus found us and suggested another after hours bar in Santa Cruz. Vish Na? or something like that. Right on the beach, next to Ve el Mar. And here was the place with really inexpensive drinks, NOT marked up for the tourists. (Yes, Victor, I know we pay tourists prices, we ARE tourists....) Anyway, we had a nice time, and the guys walked us back to the hotel and we said our good byes, since we were leaving the next day. Saturday morning, our last day, we still had some shopping to do, and we had to see Charlie Ramos. We did call to let him know we weren't going to dive Wednesday morning, but I wanted to see him in person and say good bye. First, we went to Cafe Huatulco for breakfast, and we had the BEST chilaquiles there, plus more Oaxacan hot chocolate. (we had gone to Oasis earlier in the week, but Cafe Huatulco was much better- both the chilaquiles and the hot chocolate.) And I know it sounds wierd to drink hot chocolate when its hot and sunny outside, but really, you have to try it! Its like liquid heaven!! We shopped, we stopped at the Barcelo and visited with Charlie. I felt kind of bad about not diving, but with one of us having to go home, losing a day, etc.... fitting my 4 certification dives in would have monopolized the rest of our trip and that just wasn't right. We had PLENTY to do without diving! We also went to La Entrega for a couple hours. Not the place to be on a Saturday IF you are looking for peace and quiet. We finished our shopping with the help of an ambitious taxi driver and went back to the hotel to clean up and pack. (We paid a little extra for a late checkout, since our flight home was so late.) Anyway, that about ends my tale. Here I am one week later, my slight tan already fading, and longing to go back! We had a great time, met new friends and connected with old ones. And, hey, we aren't seasoned travellers by any means, nor are we fluent in Spanish. We're just ordinary women who work hard and like to vacation in Mexico. We had no problems getting around or arranging for special things. All we had to do was ask and smile. The people in Huatulco are friendly and accomodating, and that's another reason its become our favorite vacation spot. Hope this wasn't too longwinded, and if you're headed to Huatulco soon, remember to have fun and get away from the resort!!!! maria (g)

Our first trip was to Puerto Vallarta, then we went to Ixtapa, following year to Telchac Puerto, - then back to Ixtapa, we then slipped a bit and tried out Dominican Republic (ick) before heading to Huatulco. No interest in going to Cancun, might be convinced to see the Riviera Maya, maybe, if you can drag me from Huatulco that is...!

Mike & Maria, Its really very easy to arrange. There are lots of guys on Tangalunda, at the marina in Santa Cruz or at La Entrega. I know your instincts are to be a little leary, but these guys are generally trustworthy. Its to their advantage to treat you fairly and show you a good time. Plus, they won't take your money til the end of the day, so they really do want to make sure you are happy. Just relax and have fun! maria

I have been waiting for part two of your trip report, absolutely eloquent. Thanks for sharing your experiences in Huatulco. Bob

it is the beach cacaluta It's beautiful good snorkling rent a panga to get there it truly is magical

And people worry about gays in town ...

Yes it's kinda like water seeks it own level, I hope the dikes hold(no pun intended) Bob

Great report Maria, it was just like being with you as you told us about your trip, and well worth waiting for part two. You have the ability to paint a picture with your words. Makes me want ot go back even more now. My thoughts go out to Maria H, hopefully she is coping with the loss of her father, I'm sure the other 2 Marias are looking out for her.

Fantastic trip report ! Thanks for sharing with us. Isn't it amazing to see old friends from past trips ? I met a fellow on my most recent trip that I first met in 1994, and he still remembered me ! Surely, that is a big reason why so many people return year after year ! John

Thanks for the great trip report Kathy. Just goes to show that if you stay at an all-inclusive, you can still have great fun ! You took 690 pictures ? I took 280 digital pix and just finished re-sizing and editing them. Looks like I need another trip to catch up ! JOHN

Does your rant apply to Canadians as well ?? Just a footnote... all people staying in an AI are not like you say. I've met some of the nicest people there. That includes Canadians, Americans and Mexicans ! Sure some may seem obnoxious, but that goes for any resort, anywhere in the world. Those that are uppity, just haven't been charmed by Huatulco yet ! JOHN

That tour with Valentino sound like something we would very much like to do, could you tell us where to find him and how long a tour and how much did you pay for something like that. Did you try Kayaking? I understand it is included with the services at the Gala... [%sig%]

Chapter two was well worth the wait as I knew it would be. It sounds like going to Huatulco is like going home for you. Salud. PB

Hi Lisa... I've included links for the weather in both Huatulco and Costa Rica. The first is for Huatulco, and the second is for San Jose, Costa Rica. These lonks include current conditions, forecasts, and meteorological conditions, such as sunrise and sunset time. I can't speak for Costa Rica, but you won't find any better weather than in Huatulco !! John http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/WMMBT.html http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/78762.html

Look for the fellow on the beach with the Frisbee. He usually is in front of the Gala. John

1. Why stay near the airport in Oaxaca when it is so far from the heart of town where you want to be? There are many hotels within easy walking distance of the Zocolo. 2. The bay/puesta del sol tours are much better on a private panga. 3. I don't think people expect decent service just because their skin is white. They expect it because it is what they thought they paid for because it was what was advertised. Some people are just jerks. They are everywhere. It is true you should get treated the same way you treat somebody else. 4. I don't know what you mean by "many culturally insensitive people are frequenting this Message Board ." I don't see much of that. A vacation is what you make it and the way other people see you is determined by the way you act. PB

She has Ketchup on most things she not sure of .............hows the supply?? Mustard and salad dressings ?? asking in reference to Barcelo Thank in advance Greg [%sig%]

Thanks for all the info on the weather. I think I'm pretty sold on Huatulco but can you now help me decide which hotel the Barcelo or the Gala. THe Barcelo is a little cheaper but do you think it would be worth the extra couple hundred dollars to stay at the Gala. We are interested in doing a few tours which would include snorkeling and we definitely want to venture into town (would love to meet Victor and his wife). This town sounds like exactly what we are looking for. We are planning to come the first week of March so we need to decide soon. Thanks again. Lisa

The supermarkets are full of the stuff, I'm sure Barcelo too.

I didn't used to Frank, but something tells me I need to start!

The Gala is a little more exclusive with only its guests allowed on the property, whereas anyone can go on the Barcelo property. This is because the Gala is strictly an all-inclusive resort, whereas I believe it is only an option at the Barcelo. Also the Gala doesn't seem to have the morning problem with getting a good lounge chair. See some older posts for what I mean. Anyways, no matter where you stay, you will have a great time !! John

There is Ketchup at the Barcelo, a little runny but its there. The salad dressing is there too, however i am not sure what kind i was using. It tasted ok to me. ~Jackie~

The seas conditions may vary in Tangolunda due to numerous conditions, but generally you will never find a green flag posted at the beach. It is either always yellow or red. Even on a yellow day, the waves at shore can be heavy. Once you go out a short distance, the waves are a lot more gentle. I, personally wouldn't allow an 8 year old to swim unsupervised. Hope this helps... John

Alejandro, was that a threat? If it was make sure you, or whoever else wants their revenge, comes and does it like a man, face to face, and not the usual methods used here of paying government officials, or voodoo witch doctors to do your dirty work. That guy you refered to got thrown out for being obnoxious. At the time I didn't sell Coke, only Pepsi, the only Coke I had was in a large bottle, I have never had machine Coke. He insisted on Coke, and that was the only way I could give it to him. If I were just another rich tourist living in Huatulco it would be perfectly acceptable for me to report what I see going on here. But, because I have a business here I'm not allowed to, so it seems. But you are right, it does look bad coming from a competitor, so I am going to stop reporting such things. Because no matter how many times I say that I'm not doing it for selfish reasons, it looks bad. I also have a great deal of respect for Antonio, he's a decent hard working individual, I never called him a thief and did say that Cactus is a great restaurant. By the way, why don't you come to the bar some night and tell Alejandra why you think I'm with her, see what she says. While you're at it, tell my waitresses, who I pay double the normal rate per day here, that I hate Mexicans. Victor.

We just upgraded to Royal because we received an offer in a email newsletter to upgrade to Royal or get a free night. We upgraded for an $8 fee. Call and check it out. Peg

Kathy: Thanks for your report. We're also going to the Gala on Feb. 14th for a week out of Montreal and can't wait to get out there. A few questions: 1) How was the weather ? 2) Water temperature? 3) Do we need warmer clothes for evenings ? Thanks. Yves in Montreal

Lisa. Why don't you also look into renting a private villa in Huatulco. I stayed at Gala my first week, then a small family run hotel in town the second week. If you plan on being active, seeing bays, taking day trips etc, you won't spend that much time on the beach, so check out the cost differential of having your own private place and a different beach each day. Good luck whichever you choose!

And tell the interesting Mexican people I sat and talked and drank with at the pub. They didn't seem to feel unwanted, and were a big part of me enjoying my time there!!!

Dear Yves in Montreal: To answer your questions 1. The weather is warm, low to upper 80's (F) and humid. Plan on wearing shorts or very light pants, sandles and light tops. 2. The water is warm and clean. 3. The weather during the evening might require you to wear your light pants and something just a bit more than a t-shirt. No heavy clothing is necessary. See you there as I will be there between Feb. 14 thru March 1, 2003. Monte [%sig%]

Hi Yves... Water temp was wonderful, not a shock to get in, and we had a blast snorkeling by the rocks on the left side of the beach. Unless it is very wavy you should be able to see quite a few fish. Days were hot - hot - hot - and only one evening did we find that we needed a light sweater. As usual we packed WAY too much clothes... and came home with more clean than dirty! Being a casual type, I am sure I would have comfortably survived with 3 pair of shorts, 5 t-shirts and a couple of nicer outfits for evening, especially if I were planning to go to the a la carte restaurants. Stick two bathing suits in, a couple of pair of sandals and away you go! Only time you really need shoes is for dinner (unless you have tender tootsies as the walkways can be a bit rough for sensitive feet). If you are looking for a nice room with a view, you can phone or email the Gala and request what you are looking for, they do try to accomidate you. I found that the best rooms (in my humble opinion) were... 212 - 214 - 308 - 306 212 & 214 are second floor ocean front with a huge balcony!!

Hi Lisa... Just returned from the Gala and walked thru the Barcelo. Both are very very similar from what I saw, altho I did hear that the Gala had better food (the complaint I heard was that the Barcelo served mostly "American" food rather than local... and we did have shrimp stuffed avocado one night at the Gala... I think either choice is good... As for all inclusive versus villas/condo rental... I am hearing that the airfare is rather expensive so actually worth going A/I and then touring out when you feel like it... but this is totally up to each individual... my hubby and I prefer totally "Brain dead" vacations where we don't have to think if we don't want to, so A/I works for us. Cheers Kathy

You guys have obviously missed the point of this satirical commentary. If you read the reports that many people have made, you will notice that many of them were either shooting down Las Brisas (which is still under construction), complaining about the Barcelo, or complaining in general about the quality of service or how they were dissappointed in something or someone in HUX. Sorry John I was not finger pointing at Americans; if you noticed I stated North America serval times and by this definition I was refering to everyone who lives in NA as Americans(that is North Americans). I thought you guys would understand the point I was making. Read it again- not just parts and see what I am really saying and then make a more skilled response. RW NOTE: I am not profeessing to be the guru of Huatulco tourist travel and the inside connection. I am merely making observations on another level.

by the way Mexico is in North America!

If you read the reports that many people have written you will also notice that many people had good things to say about the Barcelo (I will never experience it for myself) or had good things to say about the quality of service or how they were pleased with something or someone in HUX. I guess I am too stupid to understand what you are truly saying. Or you are not capable of making your point skillfully. Or maybe you are just trying to recap the message board for the last few weeks but leaving out relevant details to make an invalid point. As I say I guess I am too stupid to figure it out. You have to make yourself clear to the simple minded. PB

Hi Kathy - We've been to Puerto Vallarata twice, Ixtapa twice (just got back 2 weeks ago) and Riveria Maya twice (and going back again in April). We've grown to love Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo but are considering Huatulco (the Gala) next year. Most places you really shouldn't compare because every destination has their own unique assets, but how would you compare Huatulco to Ixtapa? Thanks for any insight you can provide.

Kathy: Thanks for your precious comments and suggestions. Can't wait to be in Huatulco (our first time) on Feb. 14th. We will write to the Gala and try to request one of the rooms you suggested. Don't know if they'll be able to do anything as we're on an AI package from Signature Tours which we booked on the net. Good price: only $CAD1454. but it's for what they call ROH "Run of the house" category which I guess means, they pick what's convenient to them. Were you there one that type of package as well ? Cheers Yves

As you say, hard to compare as each place is unique, but suffice to say that we did enjoy Huatulco more. Why? Perhaps the people we met made it special, or the fact that we finally discovered snorkelling, or the whales coming up to the side of the boat (THANKS VALENTINO!!) or maybe we just liked the fact that we saw Mexico, and not a mini Miami Beach. We enjoyed being the only non resident when we went to La Entrega Beach, if we wanted to see other tourists......... you know what I mean? I am sure you will love it there, however it is to each their own.... Cheers, Kathy

Hi Yves... I talked to a few people who also flew in with Signature and they called and asked for a particular room, and got it... so worth a try. I also talked to the manager while there and told him we were coming back next year and could we request a room, and he said sure, just send an email... so.......

Mike, No Mexico is in Latin America, although it is formally recognised under NAFTA; similarly Chile and Argentina are seeking to become apart of NAFTA. Does that make them apart of NA like Mexico? This is response encapsultes what I have been trying to convey to you gentleman all along. Now do you get the picture? RW

Kathy, THANK-YOU !!! You are one of the first people on this Board in some time that is actually revealling what makes Huatulco the place to be, and why it's special. You have given me hope!! RW

Yves, Remeber it was this Board that saved you $400 per person !!! Next year go wild and rent a villa.... remeber the board is allways right ... RW

Lisa, Kathy isn't entirely correct. If you plan to stay for only a week then maybe AI is allright, but depending where you are comming from renting a Villa could be about the same price. The difference in renting a villa is that you are free from tourists unless you seek them out purposely. My adive is get on the net; search the rental prices, add airfare, count on spending about $150 US for a week of food - all prepared for you (2 people)- then decide... but if it is only the beer and beach you seek then AI is the way to go... and make sure you stop at Cafe Dublin.... best little Irish Pub in HUX!!! RW

Right Wing: You think you are writing satire? Satire is supposed to be "funny." You are, rather, trying for "caricature," but appear to have much too high an opinion of your own insights - with too little actual knowledge - to pull that off with any charm. Indeed, I'd say your post is a caricature, but not of the people you intended to target... About people who stay in AI's: I'd say the single biggest reason for many, at least in Huatulco, is price. The second biggest reason is price. The third reason may be something else. A week with a charter company using the AIs will in many cases (e.g., from Chicago) be about half the price of doing the trip independently. So much for pretentious people trying to impress others with their economic status.

Geography point: America is divided in three areas: North, Central and South. Mexico, USA and Canada are geographically in North America. Latin America ( or Iberoamerica) makes reference to a linguistic and cultural part of America that excludes USA and Canada because their language and cultural origins is not derived from a latin language (spanish) Saludos de su amigo. Charlie [%sig%]

Maggie, I've been to Ixtapa on four separate trips... until I discovered Huatulco. Will be going there for the 6th time in mid-February. Although the other authors are correct in that its difficult to compare resorts, you can think of Huatulco as a mini-Ixtapa Zihua... with La Crucecita being Zihuatenejo.. much smaller, friendlier, safer, laid back and more beautiful. I intend to retire there. A lot depends on what you're looking for.. if you're seeking Carlos & Charlie type partying, you'd be coming to the wrong place. As Huatulco cabbies are fond of saying, the place is muy tranquillo.... Mike

Maria, as ever, it's nice to know that you had a great trip anyway. Hope to see again next year or sooner. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Well PB, Cozumel is groovy place if your just coming off three days having been on a cruise ship from Miami, lots to do for five hours, Carlos O'brians, maybe line up at the pharmacia for Viagra(all those guys with white belts and shoes seem to have it as a high priority) pity the poor wives on the next leg of the cruise. Other than that (unless you are a serious diver) the next best thing is to get on the ferry to Playa del Carmen(about a 20 minute crossing) get yourself down to the mayan ruins around Tulum, about a one hour drive or so. Then there are the monkies at the national park , a'bout a 30 minute drive west on your return from Tulum. The Carribean beaches are incredible, lot's of topless European women, most of whom should not be topless, actually many are from South America, also should not be topless. All in all the main attraction to Cozumel is for the divers. I would reccomend Playa del Carmen, however most of it is now AI, but for a change maybe an AI is not out of the question, not for me but for some it works. Been there done that. NOT BOB G Regards Bob

How is the Quinta Real? Anyone stayed there? I hear its really nice, but also that its really small.

Small is GOOD! It's a beautiful location with a great view.

Puerto Bill, Cozumel has 30+ meters of viz as compared with twelve of so on a good day in thje Oaxacan Pacific. It also has access to the Mayan world as Bob alluded. One of the reasons for the outstanding visibility around the Yucatan is that there are no rivers to speak of - the ground is a limestone nonneycone - and nowhere near the vertical relief you find in Oaxaca. I'll always take the occasional dive trip to Cozumel. But to commune with nature and the people and culture, I'll pick Oaxaca any day.

Wonderful tale, Maria! I promise that if you think of more to tell us, we'll read it with huge quantities of enjoyment and no one will ever criticize you for being long-winded.

OK, if your only choices are Barcelo and Gala, go with the Barcelo with no more meals than breakfast. If you absolutely positively have to go AI and the cost is really close, the Gala is a little bit nicer. But if you can possibly be flexible enough to grab a last minute "dumping" of unsold charter seats, just get yourself down there. Looking for a bargain? There are several comfortable, family-style hotels in La Crucecita. And the villas in Residential Conejos are THE luxury buy. But if you're too nervous about waiting for that "Air Only" sale from the charter company, you might also consider the Castillo in Santa Cruz, also offered in packages by the wholesalers. I'd have to go along with what the Marias say in their posts and think that it weighs out in the balance as superior to either the Gala or the Barcelo.

If the kids and Tangolunda prove uncompatible, Playa La Entrega is usually bathtub-calm and has an interesting collection of coral. Buy each of your children a decent mask that fits and a corresponding snorkel. Rental fins are okay but rental masks suck. Horseback riding: use the service that utilizes Playa Conejos and La Boquilla. You may see some barely-begun arqueological work on the ride. The fourwheel jaunt through the jungle is VERY dusty but fun. The run to the coffee plantation with the waterfall side-trip is great. Most important of all, rent a boat and captain just for your family for a full day. Take lots of water and sunscreen. And I could suggest other family adventures further astray should you want to hear more...

uhhh, Mexican salsa catsup tends to be not only a little watery but also much sweeter than Heinz or Hunts. My kid always took a squeeze bottle. While Miracle Whip CAN be found - I've even seen it at Super El Fuente - the standard in the Oaxacan restaurant is MAYONAISE, not Miracle Whip. So if the kids are really insistent on Miracle Whip, take with just in case. Peanut butter is also limited, but Nutella is on the shelves. [%sig%] Post Edited (02-03-03 13:11)

All right Jorge! As for Marisqueria El Pata, I'm still a big fan of their seafood-stuffed pineapple, though their Caldo de Mariscos - seafood stew - is a pure work of artistic genius! Good luck on getting the health thing in check.

Hey R. Wing... Sorry that my skill level is obviously not up to your satirical level ! JOHN

We had dinner there last week, found the service friendly and easy-going. The totilla soup was delicious but the rest of our meal was just okay..didn't care because the view was worth every penny! The true disappointment was that we were one of two tables enjoying this lovely spot...

... if you want to spend a very nice and romantic time in Huatulco... you have to visit Agua Azul la Villa. It´s a very nice Bed & Breakfast with the most beautiful sun rise in the whole world !!!!! ______________________________________________________________ Leider konnten wir nur 4 Tage dort verbringen, aber diese kurze Zeit war aeusserst erholsam. Die Gastgeber, zwei Kanadier sind sehr entgegenkommend, freundlich und helfen wo Sie nur können mit Tipps und anderen alltäglichen Dingen. Für alle Reisenden, die nicht auf den normalen Hotelalltag stehen, ist dieses Bed&Breakfast die wohl beste Alternative.

Here is a link for some of our vacation photos, in the event that you would like to see some local shots... http://community.webshots.com/user/kathryn19007 Just scroll past the other vacation shots to get to Huatulco folders. Cheers, Kathy

Great pictures! Can you tell me where you were when you saw the whales, were you on some kind of tour. You mentioned you stayed at the Gala, can you suggest what room would be the most centrally located. Thanks again for the pictures.

Carlos, You are correct, Mexico is geographically located in North America, not Central America, Anyway, enough said on this > Hi Lisa... Yes, we stayed at the Gala. At the main steps going to the beach you can usually find vendors selling fishing/boating trips. Thanks to this board I was told to go looking for Valentino, and a group of 8 of us booked him to take us looking for Dolphins, then snorkeling. We went out about 2 miles or so and were about to give up on the dolphins as we heard that they were another 5 miles out, when we noticed a blow from a whale. Incredibly we were able to see TWO whales, never mind a bunch of dolphins traveling with them! It was incredible, especially since we were in his 26 foot fishing boat. One of the dokphins jumped out of the water so close to the boat that my husband could have reached out and touched it! At first we were circling the whales, but then they started to get playful and started circling US!! They came so close to the boat that it was tough to take photos! Valentino told us he has never gotten that close before, and actually some in the boat were getting rather nervous and asked him to move the boat away! It is a chance that you might see dolphins... and the whales were a bonus!! We have no > Agreed. This is a VERY nice Bed & Breakfast and a great place to stay; it gives you access to Tejoncito, a secluded neighborhood beach shared with the Villas and private homes of Residential Conejos. The Gazers are gracious hosts.

Kathy: Thanks SO much for sharing your great photos of your Huatulco trip. This really helps us in preparing for our forthcoming trip ! We'll definitely want to go out on the boat trip with Valentino. BTW, where in Canada do you live ? Yves

Kathy: Actually forgot to also ask you how you booked that horseback riding trip. Yves

I also highly recommend this bed and breakfast.

And... Mexico's official name is LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS MEXICANOS. Just look on the pesos... We gringos are not the only "United States" in North America!

Our family has stayed there more than a dozen times. The 29 suites are large and some have private plunge pools. The Presidential Suite has a huge open air living area, small kitchen, can have as many as four bedroom suites, and has a large plunge pool. The lunch restaurant at the beach club is excellent and the dinner restaurant is the most elegant (and most expensive) in Huatulco. If you can swing it, get a suite with a bay view (not marina) with a plunge pool. The views are spectacular because of the hillside location but the hotel suites are a hike from the beach club and beach because of the elevation. Not bad going down but tiresome going up. However, the hotel will shuttle you either way on demand, so it's not a big deal. If you're looking for a quiet, pampered escape, Quinta Real is the place. If you're looking for action and lots of mingling, one of the other, larger hotels would be better. If nothing else, you should go to Quinta Real for cocktails on the patio at dusk.

hah! told you right wing.. Mexico is in North America. You must have been home that day they taught that in school. eeeeh Mike

We also went in huatulco not a long time ago and met Victor and Alejandra, just wanted to say that we met great people and hate the best hamburg ever. Thanks for everything and we will defenitaly recommend your establishment to anyone that goes to Huatulco. Too bad the Super Bowl was so boring. Thanks again, I wish will go back again.

We are going to the Gala in March and we would like to upgrade if it is only 8 dolars extra...Could you tell us more about it?

Hi Yves... We live close to Crownall, so flew out of Mirabel. As for riding, we booked thru a guy on the beach. However, for the price of $75 for the two of us, I would personally not do it again, as I found it rather expensive for the 9km ride. We were back in the hotel within 2 hours... However, there might be another horse riding experience in Huatulco that I am unaware of.... Cheers, Kathy

John, Quit pushing the Castillo! It might get too popular then it won't be such a bargain next time around! OK, seriously though, unless you are content to spend most of your time ON the resort, the Castillo is a nice choice. It should be quite a bit less expensive than the Barcelo or Gala, and they do have an all inclusive option if you really feel you need it. Also, the location (in my humble opinion) is far superior to Tangolunda. You are close to everything there- shops, restaurants, the "night life" in Chahue, LaCrucecita or Santa Cruz. The only thing they are really missing is actually being ON the beach, but their "beach club" is really nice, only 2 minutes away and they offer free transportation to and from. Plus, if you are in Huatulco, you owe it to yourself to see and spend time at at least SOME of the 36 beaches! Why stick to one??? They also have beach towels available, hairdryers and safes in the rooms, and they will even turn your bed down and leave chocolates on your pillow. Its a pretty nice hotel, much better than a "2 apple" rating might suggest. Whatever you decide, don't forget to have fun! maria

Check your Geography guys MEXICO IS PART OF NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!!!! and also part of LATIN AMERICA.. which includes all of the countries from Mexico all the way to Argentina and Chile ....

Hello everyone, Would like to know where the best beach for snorkling and your opinion of the best panga, boat captain and location to find. We are staying at Las Brisas, and will try to make the best of it. If it gets to hairy, where do you recommend close by. Also, never go all inclusive so what is your favorite place to grab a bite in Tangaluna area or nearby. Also want to go horseback riding, who do you recommend. Appreciate any help, any suggestions at all, first timers at Huatulco, and looking forward to it.

I would be more than happy to pick up a few things for anyone in need down in Huatulco. ( no beer victor, too heavy!) I would just request that the item you need is not heavy and numerous. I'll be down on the 14th of Feb. I will be stopping in San Diego for a couple of days before coming down and plan to do a little shopping there. First stop is a large fishing supply shop so if any fisherman need anything specific email away. If too many people respond to my offer I will limit to the first few that respond. Monte [%sig%]

"We live close to Crownall" Wow, can I spell or what?? haha I REALLY need to take typing lessons.... and LOOK at the spelling before I post! I meant CORNWALL!!

The problem has now been solved. Case in point: a gentleman asking for vacation planning on the board, another individual plugging rental villa's and alternate lodging, another suggesting last minute AF and AI deals, more intelligent responses- although Carlos I wouldn't be too sure about the Latin part (I will confirm this with a MA in Linguistics)- , and a little more comlex sentance structures. Finally a few different people are responding to the Board other than the the 3 guys who live on it. But before I fades into the Boards history I will make one final comment to rb... SATIRE : the use of ridicule, sarcasim, irony, etc. to expose, attatck, or derride vices, follies etc.- SYN. CARICATURE Sorry, when you were sitting in geography class, I was graduating from University...good luck on the assembly line bud! PS look up vices now ! I will, from time to time, check back on the board to ensure we aren't getting to much negativsim or circumlocution. ($5 word for rb) Mike, I'd do a little more research before you start blowing your horn.. just to be sure. Farwell (or as they said to Columbus- No, WELLFARE!) RW

I would like to edit my final post as follows... The problem has now been solved. Case in point: a gentleman asking for vacation planning on the board, another individual plugging rental villa's and alternate lodging, another suggesting last minute AF and AI deals, more intelligent responses- although Carlos I wouldn't be too sure about the Latin part (I will confirm this with a MA in Linguistics)- , and a little more comlex sentance structures. Finally a few different people are responding to the Board other than the the 3 guys who live on it. But before I fades into the Boards history I will make one final comment to rb... SATIRE : the use of ridicule, sarcasim, irony, etc. to expose, attatck, or derride vices, follies etc.- SYN. CARICATURE *********************************************************************************************** EDITED (NOTE TO BE DIRECTED TO MIKE) rb's sentance structure is too complicated not be a man, or woman, of some scholastic education noteworth of merit and mention. Mike, sorry when you were sitting in geography class, I was graduating from University...good luck on the assembly line bud! PS look up vices now ! I will, from time to time, check back on the board to ensure we aren't getting to much negativsim or circumlocution. ($5 word for Mike) Mike, I'd do a little more research before you start blowing your horn.. just to be sure... Farwell (or as they said to Columbus- No, WELLFARE!) RW

Thankyou for sharing the photos Kathy, will let you know if anything has changed, 3 more sleeps to go ! Regards, Anne & Terry, Cowichan Bay, B.C..

RW, final post? Is that a promise, there are witnesses, were gonna hold you to it. I'll just bet you can't keep your promise. Remember santa claus, he won't be coming to your chimney next year if you break the promise.

Hi Kathy, this is Dave, we met at the beach when you got back from your whale trip and we booked with Valentino for the Saturday. There was only 4 of us and we gave him 200 pesos down with his promise to meet us at 10 Saturday morning. I saw him going fishing that morning at 7 oclock with 8 guys and sent another guy to take us and we didn't see anything. He only went about 2 miles out and never radioed anyone else and I feel Valentino thought he'd take the more money instead of just the 4 of us that were going. Another guy named Tino never showed up at all for 3 other people that were going fishing and when they did see him later, he wouldn't give them there deposit back. Next time I'll book through the signature tours and at least I won't get screwed around. I think you're allright if you have 8 people going because they get the top dollar. They know you're only there for a week usually and they don't have to worry about you. Money means more than their word I think in cases of fewer people booking.

Ann & Terry - We're flying out of Toronto on the 6th. Staying at the Barcelo (& you). Can't wait to get out of this dreadful colllldddd.... Hope to run into in our travels.

RW as an added incentive we also have the Easter Bunny ready to move on this! Don't break your promise!

Promises, promises, Right Wing. What will we do without your "comlex sentance structures"? Its clear that neither spelling nor civility were taught at your university. Bye bye ! Mike

Actually, I'm absolutely sure about the meaning of Latin America. The official name of Mexico , as Sherry writes, is Estados Unidos Mexicanos. Our constitution is called Constitución Política de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos. During the last days, there is a proposal made by the PAN (the President's party) asking the Congress to change the name from EUM to MEXICO and that has sense. Our country is called Mexico all around the world and not E.U .Mexicanos. We are a confederation of States, each State has its own Constitution, and every state governor is independent of the rest of the governors and independent of the president also. We have a federal political system. That's the reason we call states to each part of the country and we don't call them "provinces" or "departments" as they are called in the rest of LATIN AMERICA: I guess Mr. RW is interested in History, so the following is a gift for you: The only part of the continental Latin America (excluding some Caribbean Islands) in wich is spoken a different language than spanish, is Brasil. Brasil was conquered by Portugal. Just after the discovery of America by Colombus (1492), the catholic kings of castilla (Isabel and Fernando, sponsors of Colombus) asked to the Pope Alexander VI his authority to stablish the legality of the discovery and claim the property of the territories for them. Portugal, right before America's discovery, had legal porsession of all the territories, not belonging to a christian kingdom, from the paralel where the Canarias Islands to the south (that includes Africa). The pope Alejandro VI by request of the kings of Spain, gave them the legal posesion of all the territories discovered westerly, knowing the succes of Colombus. Portugal also claimed the property. The document given by the pope was called "Bula Alejandrina" and that happened between april and september 1493. This conflict lead to a new distribution of the world. The Pope, with the agreement of both kings (Victor II from Portugal and the Catholic Kings of Spain) divided the world's territory in two parts.(Any similutude with Berlin 1945?) The imaginary line run from north to south. From the line to west, the new territories and islands discovered would belong to Spain. From the line to the East, the discoveries would belong to Portugal. The line cut the eastern most end of America (Brasil). The agrement was called "Tordecillas agreement" . This last wast signed in 1494. For this reason, Brasil was a Portuguese posesion and that is why they speak portuguese. It's very interesting to see the way the diplomacy and foreign affairs used to be negotiated on those years and the tremendous political power of the Catholic Popes. Ooops. In Belize, English is Spoken, (British fault) but that's another history. Saludos de su amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Susan. My favorite snorkeling spots: Cacaluta Island south side (facing the shore) La Montosa Island west side (inTangolunda facing las Brisas). Not always clear. El Violín cove. La Entrega beach. Carrizalillo and San Agustin (too far away but worth to check). Best panga? Hard to decide. Most of these skippers are very good and very skilled. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie [%sig%]

Hi Monte. Let me think. I'll let you know. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

i stayed at the quinta real back in november....accomodations were outstanding ...gorgeous hotel...friendly ...BUT..there is a small language barrier....the food at hotel is expensive...good but expensive....views are outstanding. My gf and I ate breakfast at hotel and a few dinners but found the local food in town more fun and pretty tasty too. didnt have a problem with 'tourista' as the locals call it...or as we gringos call it 'montezuma's revenge' ate and drank local and never had any problems....enjoy yourselves..oh and the beach isnt bad either........chuck

Fer gawdsakes, Monte, take some 100# test down for your panga fishing buddies!

You're nearly as close to Chahúe and Santa Cruz from Las Brisas. I mean, Rafa and Suzanne at El Jarro Café are pretty reasonably priced, pretty good food, and great people and THEY're in Tangolunda. Lots of folks like Don Porfirios, but others feel them a shade pricey for what you get. But otherwise I'd suggest maybe Meson Los Flores in Santa Cruz; maybe La Familiar above the convenience store on the Santa Cruz zocalo; of course, Marisqueria El Pata in La Crucecita for seafood; La Crema for a pizza fix; Vic's for beer and a burger. You implied you would like advice IF the construction makes you want to change hotels. IF that should happen, don't pick a hotel now. There will be plenty of rooms to choose from unless you're going during semana santos.

What fun pictures! Thanks, Kathy. Dave, you fell victim to the insideous problem of pre-paying and making deposits in Mexico. Let this be a lesson to the rest of us: pay when the service is rendered. Valentino is a very special guy who can make a trip a lot of fun. But panga captain are not in short supply and there are others who are also great guys and a lot of fun. I recommend Adrián all the time - also available on the Gala/Barcelo beach. I readily admit that he is a friend of mine, but don't hold that against him. In their recent posts, the Marias reaffirmed Jesus' skills as a boat guide. There are SCADS of capable people at the marina. Just talk the trip over before any money changes hands. [%sig%] Post Edited (02-04-03 03:07)

If you want mayonaise without lemon in it I would suggest that you bring you own down the stores very seldom carry any without lemon added. when I am in the states I am a Heinz ketchup nut but the brands that are sold here are very good As for salad dressings I would also suggest that you bring your own the variety is not large here nor is it very similiar to what I am used to in the US Wayne Overby Villa Sol y Mar (bed & breakfast)

Hi Dave, and sure I remember you! I am sorry that your boat trip was not too successful. Truthfully, we were very lucky to see anything, altho I do admit that turtles became a dime a dozen out there, as well as "Jumping Bonitos". The whales and dolphins were a bonus that usually happens to "other people"!! The boat trip with Valentino almost turned out to be a no go, I must say. At first the price was $30 USD per person, for about 4 hours, with a $20 deposit down. This price included a cooler with ice but no drinks, we were told to empty the mini bar in the room for drinks. Marc had Valentino include 20 beers in the cooler as part of the deal, which he did. Stupid stupid me... I caved in to the deposit part as I really didn't want to lose this trip, figured he would be good, since recommended on this board, etc.... Besides, was only $20. Well, as our group got larger of who wanted to join us, including Kellie C and her hubby, I asked for a discount per person, and was told that he would take us for a great tour and it would be worth every penny. Then I started to ask around, and found that some ppl were going out for around $100 USD per boatload (we were up to $240 with 8 people). WE started feeling that we should be paying a flat rate for the boat rather than per person. The morning that we were to go out Marc (my hubby) went to talk to Valentino regarding price. He talked him down to $25 USD per person, promised that the trip would be a good one and then informed us that since we dropped down to only 6 people in our group, he had added a couple to bring the numbers back up to 8, getting his full boat load. As would have it, the couple he added to the trip turned out to be a wonderful couple and we had a blast. We agreed, and off we went. AS I stated in my previous post... we were lucky, and the sighting of the whales and dolphins made the trip. Just that hour or so floating around them was worth the $25 USD for sure!! The snorkeling and viewing of the bays was a bonus at that point. We stayed out for almost 6 hours, were never rushed to get back, and we had the trip of a lifetime. Valentino was knowledgable about the area, went out of his way to accomidate us, while snorkeling he made numerous dives down deep to catch "stuff" for us, like Puffer Fish and Starfish so we could see them close... all in all he was terrific. So this is my basis for promoting him. Perhaps if we had a lousy time, saw nothing and were under the gun then I would be complaining instead... but as with everything... your individual experience dictates how you feel about something. I wish that you were able to experience what we did... Cheers, Kathy

Thanks for the help. One question, what is semana santos?

My husband and Ijust returned from a two week trip to Huatulco. This was our second year to go here and we will definately go again next year. The first yearwe went we met a local named Jesus Vasquez A.K.A. Sharky. We learned about him from some friends of ours who have been traveling here for the past eight years. Jesus owns his own fishing boat and that is who we used to do our fishing and snorkeling this year and last year. We would'nt think of using anyone else!! Sharky is an honest guy who isn't out just to make a buck either. This guy knows what he is doing and knows the area very well. He enjoys going out just as much as his passengers do. He came to our hotel beach (Gala) at 7:00 am to pick us up. We were fishing until about noon after catching five Bonita which are a type of tuna. After fishing we went snorkeling at three different bays having lunch at one of them. (optional) The nice thing about going out with Sharky is that you are only with the people you want to be with and there is no rush as to how long you are out. We returned to our beach at aroung 4:00 pm and the cost??? Two hundred american money for four people!! Great deal if you check around at other prices. If you are going to Huatulco and want his E-mail address or his cell phone number, please E-mail me. Two other great locals are Louis and Elba who own The Iguana Bar in LA crucecita whic is a two dollar cab ride from the Gala. These people including their entire staff are very likable people who take the time to come to your table and suggest different items from the menu if you aren't quite sure what you want. The quality, quantity and prices are excellent!!! Don't forget to ask Loius for a free sample of his homemade mescal if you dare!! One other person I would like to mention is Edgar the bartender at the Gala. He speaks very good English (as do all the others I mentioned and Sharky also speaks fluent French) and is a lot of fun to be around. So, if you meet any of these people I have mentioned, tell them John and Ronda from Chicago sent you!!

Semana Santa is Easter Week.

Another interesting point about the history of why things are they way they are: Spain has four regional languages -- castellano, catalan, gallego and vasco. When Spain was united by the marriage of Ferdinand (from Aragon) and Isabel (from Castilla -- the most powerful kingdom) they spoke Castillian. Today in Spain as in all other Spanish-speaking countries, Spanish/Castillian is the official language except the US, ha, ha. When the Moors were kicked out iof Granada, Spain in 1492 it was those rulers speaking Castillian that sponsored the trips/conquests/colonization. If, say the ruling kings and queens were from the Basque country* then Latin America may be speaking Basque -- the most ancient language of the world. So, if they came over to the Americas and the indigenous languages were infused in the basque language, we wouldn't even be close to speaking SPanish! There is no difference between Spanish and Castillian but there are rich contributions by indigenous languages which give each region their own linguistic flavor. Mexico's Spanish is peppered with nahuatl words (jitomate, chocolate, aguacate, coyote, etc.) and also with their own use of Spain's castillian ..(que padre, que gaucho, horale, etc.) which make it uniquely Mexican. It's always fun to ponder such things. *highly unlikely as the Catholic Kings were Medieval Spain's "superpowers". SHerry

Hi Susan. Semana Santa is the most important catholic celebration after Christmas. It is the period of time prior to Jesus crucifixion and run one week before easter. Lots of mexican takes the last four days of that week to go on vacations. John. Unfortunately, Rafa and Susi have closed the Jarro Cafe. They did not survived the all inclusives. The only places to have lunch- at Tangolunda are Don Profirio (not cheap) and there is another little Pizza-grill right in front of the Barcelo, in the Plaza Huatulco's property. La Pampa has closed also. Saludos de su amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

I have just packed a suitcase full of women & children (under 3 girls) to bring Feb 6 to Barcelo Huatulco. Was wondering if the hotel staff - maids, gardeners, cooks, etc. also may be in need as we know how few pesos they earn. Carlos, maybe you can respond or anyone else who can give me direction on this. Just want to give to those who can really use it. Thanks. [%sig%]

Actually John, We went with a young "muchacho" named Jose. He works out of La Entrega, and he is just about the nicest kid you could hope to meet. We really enjoyed his company for the day. We also met a guy at the marina who first tried to sell us the "7 Bay Tour" but was happy to work with us when we told him "been there done that." We weren't sure of our plans for the next couple of days, so we left it open. As it turns out, we met Jose on the beach and went with him instead. We didn't stay on Tangolunda, but I know there are panga operaters there, at the Santa Cruz marina and at La Entrega. We didn't encounter any at Maguey this year or last year. And Dave, I'm sorry about your experience. I've found Huatulco to be small enough and friendly enough that you can easily deal with the locals to book your excursions. Maybe I've been lucky?? (Still, I am leary about pre-paying or putting down deposits.) As I recall, Apple charged at least twice what we ended up paying for our first "booze cruise", and this year I had to laugh because they were selling "shopping excursions" into Santa Cruz and La Crucecita! Guys- 20 pesos will get you there and you don't need a tour guide!!! maria

Sherry. Great point. Can you imagine a Navarra king ruling during the discovery of America period? We would be know Vascoamerica and not Latinamerica. The Vasco kingdoms had more influence over France than over Spain (Henry IV was once king of France and Navarra at the same time. By the time of Fernando and Isabel, Navarra tried to form an alliance with France (Queen Catalina of Navarra got Married with Juan de Albret, a french) to get away from Castilla-Aragon, but Fernando invaded Navarra in 1515 and added it to the Castilla´s Kingdom. It is said that Colombus was Italian, but actually, during those years, Genova was under control of Catalunya, so can be said that he was Catalan. Spain was once the largest Empire of the world, larger than the Roman. The King Carlos I of Spain and V of Germany used to say: "In my Empire the sun never set down". He inherited the Netherlands, the terrotories of Austrias' empire, Sicilia, Napoles, Aragon, Castilla and the American territories discovered and to discover. Why do you know such things? Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie [%sig%]

Judy: Thanks in advance for you generosity. If you wish, upon arrival call me at extension 842 (water sports) or come by the water sports sahck and I can you give some suggestions about who is in biggest need around the hotel property. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

And remember that even if staying All-Inclusive, "Tipping is NOT the capitol of China!"

Listen, I wasn't upset about not seeing anything. I know it's not the guides fault for not having whales and dolfins in the area at that time. What bothered me was the fact that Valentino had no intention whatsoever of taking us that morning which is what we agreed on. He also agreed on cold beer which never happened. Roberto was the guide that took us and he was a nice guy and we bought him beer at La Entraga.We also went into town on our own for the 20 pesos which was nice seeing area and doing whatever we wanted.

Sorry about the mistake, Maria. But I HAVE seen Jesus praised recently and besides, this was another oportunity to plug your guy.

I don't want anyone to think that it was a bad trip. Huatulco is just beautifull and the Gala and people working there were great. It was a terrific trip. After hearing about the weather in some of the other resort areas from friends, I'm glad we picked Huatulco. You couldn't get any better weather and I hear it's always like that.

Aw, I'm sorry Jarro café closed. Even after the excape of the world's smartest parrot, it was a fun place and the remaining birds were entertaining. I'm not really surprised, though - it was a bad sign when they started opening for supper only. Are Rafa and Suzanne still around town? Maybe in a new business? Such a fine couple...

Well, I will make it a point to look up Sharky when next I'm down, though hanging out at the Gala bar will not be on my agenda! And I certify that Luis and Elba are among the finest folk you'll meet anywhere. But most of the people you get to know in the area will be people you'll remember for life. It's the people that make this the place.

We will be spending our honeymoon in Huatulco during the last week in Feb. at the Camino Real Zaashila and would appreciate any insight on creating some great memories. Secluded beaches ? A trip into the mountains ? Rent a car or get a guide ? Who ? Restaurants ? Small villages ? Sunset or sunrise spots ? Thanks for the help [%sig%]

john, I seem to remember that the going rate for an all-day panga to the different bays - even the distant ones (I think) - was more or less around 1000 pesos last year (i.e. $100-120 US). Maybe the fishing part adds to the cost?

Carlos - thankyou for the direction - I will definitely be in touch once we get settled & climatize to the beautiful Mexican weather. I really want the clothing to go to those people who work at the Barcelo. And John - please don't assume that since people go AI they don't tip and are cheap. Since we are Canadian and our $ is pitiful in comparison to the US, we get a better deal for an AI stay since airfare alone can be up to $1500 per person. We always go AI and ALWAYS TIP EXTREMELY WELL!!!! We do appreciate the Mexican people and know that the AI resorts do not pay their staff well thus we try to help out monetarily to those who do provide a service while we vacation - whether it's a cook, maid, gardener or whatever. By the way - do you live in Mexico...... [%sig%]

Remeber the rule of tipping: It is for good service..it is not to be used to get service! I always tip well, but do not feel as though it is required. If someone goes out of their way to make your stay/meal/time much better, you bet that there is a nice gesture to follow, but if they dont bother to, then neither do I. I felt that John needed a refresher!

Hi Johnny, How about giving scuba diving a try? For a real memorable honeymoon our all-day excursions with diving and/or snorkeling and visiting "untouched" beaches, are just the thing. We´ve had many couples who described it as the "most wonderfull day of their honeymoon". Please check our website and send us an e-mail if you need more info. Whatever you decide to do; Huatulco is a beautifull place for your honeymoon! Roberto www.hurricanedivers.com hurricanedivers@hotmail.com Santa Cruz Beach, Huatulco

If your kid is so picky, I would suggest to bring your own at least she will have the same Ketchup flavor she is used to. Do not let this stupid thing ruin your vacation!!!!

Hi Johnny, My wife just pointed out that I forgot to mention that this excursion thing would be exclusively for the two of you and a dive guide or Instructor. It´s definitely not a "lost in the crowd" day out. Roberto

This message is meant to counteract the image of Huatulco that certain people keep "painting" on this message board. I´m specifically speaking about "how you should always try to get a better price" and "how you should never prepay or deposit" for services you would like to receive. I´m sure everybody who reads this message board regularly knows how difficult it is for any business to survive in Huatulco and I would like to emphasize that there are plenty of businesses that are very reputable and have set prices. Deposits and set prices are the only way to ensure that those businesses don´t lose money by providing a service. Whether it´s a guy on the beach or an established business there are those who honestly try to give you a good service and make a few bucks and there are those who just try to rob you of as much money as they can. As anywhere else in the world, the customer will have to find out which is which (this message board for example can help with that). John (yes I am talking mainly about you in the first sentence), please don´t make earning a living here in Huatulco any more difficult then it already is! We all have to struggle hard enough already to earn a living here............................... Roberto www.hurricanedivers.com [%sig%]

I have visited all of the locations mentioned, I would say the most disappointing is Cozumel. Foe a unique experience try Isla Mujeres. I love Huatulco but it has become very commercial over trhe last several years so I try and find other places that are like "H" from years ago. South of Playa Del Carmen on the beach near Chetumel it is great. Beach restuarants that are incredibly cheap and water and diving to die for. Same reef as Belize but no crowds and lot's of sealife, an occasional fisherman (local). They have put in an all weather road from Cancun now so it's an easy 5 hour drive. Stop in Isla on the way back and see what Mexico was like.

MARVELLOUS!!!! This is what I am talking about people... Now here is the challenge... Considering the historical conquest of the America's, why did Central (someone should check this out- back to the NA arguement) and South America, along with North America- which were both undegoing extensive colonialism from the old world- end up with completely polarised economies and political institutions which we see today? Why the disparity between thier economies despite- in generalist terms- having similar histories. Consider the exploitation of natives, peripheral resources economies, and initial totalitarin governance. It would be interesting to hear some of Carlos' and Sherry's thoughts on this. This is a question which I don't believe has been given enough thought. Really when you consider the exploitation of the "new world", colonialism, and the importance of religion (specifically Christianity/Catholicism), one can only wonder why there is such a divergence between Central/South America and North America. Bravo ladies and gentleman! There is nothing better for the mind than intelligent, well thought out, and skilled debate! RW PS Mike...I will never criticise anyone's spelling because we all know what happens with a keyboard when typing (especially if you never took a typing class)

I just knew he could not keep his promise of no more posts, That's it right wing the Easter Bunny and Santa are going to give your place the big PASS this year. What do you think Mike, the OK corral to setle this? Bob

Quote:Vacations in a foreign land by their nature are cultural; accept them for what they are; respect them for who the are; and be grateful to be able to witness first hand the human condition in another world through another's eyes Quote:Mike, sorry when you were sitting in geography class, I was graduating from University...good luck on the assembly line bud! PS look up vices now ! It does seem quite ironic to me that R.W. can spout off about everyone else on the board, but when faced with a little adversity, reverts to name calling and condescending behaviour. As the saying goes, "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" So much for accepting and respecting people, no matter who or where they are!

Thanks, Carlos & Sherry. I've learned a lot. Catalan. Basque. I'm still (probably always will be) bothered by the term "discovered" when there were people living in our countries for thousands of years before guys like Columbus, De Gama, Pizarro and Cortez invaded them. RW, I spoke with Santa... he says that he wants you and Allejandro to spend your next vacation in Baghdad. Together. In a twin bed. Debating. Mike

Roberto, I can only give advice based on my own experiences and those of my friends and corespondents. And I have found little if any advantage in pre-paying in an environment where the services are in greater availability than are those who would purchase the services. If a trip is planned for semana santos or Spring Break or Christmas, then a deposit is the only way to ensure that the product will be there - and in the case of some of the smaller beachfront communities in the area, even then it's no sure thing. No aspersions whatsoever on your operation, but if I pre-pay for a dive, I may have very little say in what site is going to be seen on that dive day. But if I call two or three operators and ask where they're going, I can then choose amongst the destinations and have a lot less chance of going out to La Montosa on a day when the viz isn't particularly good out there. And the most recent time I've made that comment was in response to a consumer who did NOT get what he paid for, even thoght the lanchero in question is NORMALLY quite reliable. My choice is always to keep the largest number of options open that I can. That said, I will also grant this: I've been on a lot of boat rides on the Oaxacan coast and have done a bit more diving than the average visitor. This has a lot of effect on confidence. For those with less experience, particularly as regards diving, picking an operator you trust may be the most important choice you make during your vacation. Nothing is as important as a diver's comfort level. So if you don't have a lot of natural comfort in the ocean, my suggested method is a moot point. Whether it's Roberto or Hector or Charlie or even one of the other dive operators in town, show some loyalty to the one who makes you feel good in the water.

What a wonderful suggestion! The undersea life of the Oaxacan Pacific has to be explored!

Judy, I have lived in Mexico and will again in the future but have proven too poor of a businessman to be living there now. <Sigh> Were I still living in Mexico, the advice would've more likely been "Recuerde. Propinas no son un gaz para cocinar!" <OK, folks, another chance to shoot at my bad Spanish!>

Gosh, rb, that's the price range that the Marias were citing for their trip last week. At the risk of raising the ire of at least one local businessperson, I don't really think that there is a single price for such a service. This is something where there is some negotiating room and that will most assuredly vary from one lanchero to another - at least partially depending on the boat.

Mike. It is not my intention to teach anything on this board. Here, in Huatulco, I teach to scuba dive (that's basically the way I get some money to live), I also teach biology in secondary and highschool, not history, but I got engauged in this > Maria. I am quite certain that Roberto's comment was not aimed at you, the person it was directed at has already responded. You just keep posting as you did, and many people will enjoy your description of your time and the people you met in Huatulco. It is posts like yours that make people more interested in the area and your vivid descriptions help paint a welcoming picture for them. If anything, your posts will contribute to bring more tourists to the area and help out local business people. You are doing well, don't stop.

Sherry, excellent point made! The English didn't mix with any of their conquered races, Australian Aboriginies, African Zulus, North American Indians, India, Keyna, West Indies, Ireland..the list is endless. The only other society I know of that has kept a war going for 800 years is the Irish, their struggle for independence has been ongoing since the English first invaded around 1180 . Every generation felt a duty to strike for freedom and the current ceasefire, signed between Irish republicans and the British government in 1995, is hanging on by a > Unfortunately Victor, as it stands, I think you need a visa to get into Mozambique.

VIctor: As far as booting out the English? Good luck!!! You'll need another Margaret Thatcher to get things stirred up. Things the Old World gave the New WOrld: rice chickens goats pigs cows cheese! coffee (via Africa) bananas (via Africa) small pox (not so good) Spanish language (unifying factor) Catholic church (also unifying factor)/not so good though oranges (from Valencia, Spain) horses, rodeos, western attire and saddles wild mustangs Things the New World gave the Old World CHOCOLATE!!!!!!!! CORN vanilla coconuts avocados hot chiles beans potatoes tomatos tropical fruits pineapple, mangoes, syphllis (disputed fact) cranberries, blueberries turkeys squash yucca maple syrup (I mean the real stuff from Canada & Vermont) states' names both in US and Mexico Michoacan --- Michigan!! So, our ancestors supplied the meat and the New World supplied the vegtables and roughage. Sherry

Hi Maria, I can only agree with George, keep it up! And you were not the one "setting me off". I think the deposit issue is clear enough, I just want to say one more thing about "getting the best price". There are indeed a lot of (street and/or beach) vendors and businesses around who try to sell products or services at the highest possible price, obviously you should try and negociate the best price and use common sense. What I wanted to make clear is that there are also established and honest businesses which have a pricelist with their products and services priced in a way that the prices are reasonable for the customer and there will be enough profit to keep their business running. Because of the "image" that in Mexico and/or Huatulco you should always barter a lot of those businesses are practically forced to give soo much discount in order to make a sale, that they don´t make enough to keep the business running. I just wanted to make clear in my first posting that that practice is not very healthy for the businesses here in Huatulco where it is already hard enough to make a living. Like you said "use your judgement" and do some research before you buy. John, I understand and respect your point of view through the eyes of the customer and I hope you do the same for the point of view of an honest businessman and, as a person with a lot of influence and input on this board, maybe you can take both views into consideration in your comments/recommendations. In my opinion that will only be for the better of Huatulco AND the visitors. Roberto [%sig%]

dear maria: It was nice reading all your experiences had here in Huatulco. I want to thank you for visitng CACTUS, and your comments. Hope to have the pleasure of seeing you in the very near future. best regards. HERME AND TONY owners.

MEXICO CITY -- A government study published Monday detected water pollution at 16 Mexican beach resorts and said the situation has already caused some health problems. The report found that water pollution levels at the resorts did not meet government standards for bodies of water used for recreational purposes. The most common health problems were gastrointestinal ailments caused by swimmers accidentally ingesting polluted sea water, Jose Iturriaga, of Mexico's environmental protection agency, told Mexico City's Reforma newspaper. While the levels of pollution due to garbage, sewage, or industrial emissions varied from beach to beach, the waters of the heavily visited Zihuatanejo Bay on the Pacific coast were listed as among the worst. "Zihuatanejo Bay has problems because its wastewater treatment plant doesn't have sufficient capacity, and part of its discharges don't meet standards for recreational use," Iturriaga said. Because enclosed bays tend to accumulate more pollution, some of Mexico's top tourist destinations -- like the open-water resort of Cancun -- were not mentioned in the report. But significant levels of pollution were found at Mexico's best-known bay, Acapulco. Other beachfront destinations popular with foreign tourists, such as Ensenada, Puerto Vallarta, Puerto Escondido, and Huatulco also failed to meet official water pollution standards. All of those resorts are located on the Pacific coast. The federal government has provided some support to local efforts to clean up polluted waters in beachfront areas. As part of one such program, authorities in Acapulco have assigned a fleet of small boats to navigate the bay, scooping up trash floating in the surf. But authorities say beachfront communities can only achieve serious pollution reduction if their local governments are willing to make large investments in infrastructure to vastly improve their areas' water treatment facilities. Many resort areas say such measures are too expensive for them to undertake.

Hi Manson. Where did you get that release? It's quite estrange to hear that Huatulco has water pollution problems. there are not black or grey waters discharges to the ocean. There are four sewage waters treatment instalations. I've been living here for 14 years and my job (I'm scuba diving instructor) takes me into the ocean almost every day, and I've never got any ill (except probably two or three years when I got a bacterial skin infection, but can't tell if i got it in the ocean or the swimming pool). There are not industrial instalations at all in the area, there are not oil production, so if the coast is contaminated (I don't believe because to my best understanding nobody have got sick in the area, except some visitors victim of the Moctezuma´s revenge) the pollution was not generated in the area. I would like to know your source. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

WR. I have my own > Thanks everyone for all the positive feedback! Hopefully, we'll be back before next year, OR if we have to wait another year, we are already trying to work it out so we have more than a week there. A week just doesn't seem to be enough time anymore! Herme & Tony, rest assured we will be back for more mango dacquiris and pina coladas. Tell Ramon and the rest of the guys that the Marias say hello! maria

Charlie here is a sorce;< http://www.reforma.com/nacional/articulo/266281/ > PB

Greg, Thanks for posting the info on pongas in Huatulco. We are headed there in a week and a half. I hope to do a bit of fishing. We have done a lot up in Zihuatanejo. Pongas and cabin cruisers. Any word on what is running these days. One calendar says tuna, dorado and some blues. Any recommendations. I have found leaving at 6am and coming in early seems to be better. I have had double sails at 3pm on the way back in however! Is Puerto Angel worth the journey. Looks like half and hour ride, albeit early in the morning, looks like a worthwhile trip. The depth drops off fast and one could be fishing for marlin etc. quicker. Any recommendations up there for capitans, techniques, bait etc? Regards, Will and Kim

Hola, We are visiting Huatulco for the first time. Hoping to do a lot of fishing. We have been doing Zihuatanejo for the last ten years and have been fishing with the same family (father and two sones all with boats). Any recommendations as to capitans in Huatulco? Anyone to stay away from? Puerto Angel? Worth the ride. Looks like you get into deep water quicker? Any recent reports on what is running? Hope the 100 lb test is a joke else you will get be excited. (30 is my limit) Regards, Will and Kim

John, Great info. I will check out the capitan's and boats and report back. We will be back on e-mail end of Feb. Will and Kim

If you all look further down on the subjects you will see Jesus Vasques has his own entry. He has it in english, french and german. He speaks the first 2 fluently and german just enough to get by. For those of you who want to know his email it is sharkv74@yahoo.com He lived in the states with my wife and I for about 6 months 2 years ago but the winter and cold got the best of him and he had to get back to the warmth of Paradise. But I want to tell you all, that as has been said, it is the individual who you meet and like on the beach that will make you a good day and have the time of your life. Talking to all of the guys on the beach is somewhat like talking to a car salesman, just ask them in a nice way, what is your best price for whatever you would like to do and for how long you want to be out in the ocean.They have prices for long trips out 20 or more miles for deep sea fishing, trips to all the bays with added snorkeling and small fishing if you like, and also lunch at Maguey beach if you like or you name it, they will do it. To all who are coming to Huatulco this year, just have fun in what you do, and you will remember this place forever. PS. I don't have Jesus' cell phone number with me here, but if any of you want it just email me at ingwlk@tds.net and I will provide.

John W, I am going to copy from you, and get the original back up to the top and I also think all 3 of these guys are great for what they do for the folks they deal with by treating them the best and at the same time have a good time themselves everyday of the year.

Your points are well thought out and I repsect them greatly. You both show insight into the situation and have a keen sense of hisorty. Not being a scholar on Spanish history, I wonder if the evolution of Britains political system durring the 17 and 18 Century- specifically the creation of Parliament, allbeit with limited powers- had something to do with the direction the American political machine took- ie. personal freedom. I would also argue that as such events were unfolding in EU-specifically GB and France- that this was also having an effect on NA. Consequently, this infant birth of limited freedom, combined with the fact that, to a greater extent, most inhabitants in NA at the time were escaping some type of persecution wether it was political or religious, had a greater impact on the direction of NA ecoonomic and political institutions. Speaking in general terms- taking into consideration Spanish assimilation of the natives, which is what the Frech tried in Canada (the Metis)- one could argue that Central America lacked a definitive "freedom" movement on any scale-religious, political, or economic- which would allow some form of autonomy from Spain; which was a direct result of the way the Spainiards came to inhabit the New World. They were not motivated by persecution but by exploitation. This I would argue along with their methods of assimilation, lack of the emergence of political democratisation in Spain, created the socioecconomic problems that we see today. RW

A short while ago I advised some folks about a trip we took to Palenque from Huatulco. We had no problem but I saw a story you might want to check out before entering Chiapas. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TRAVEL/02/05/tourism.battle.ap/index.html It is a shame. My wife was planning a trip with some of her fellow archeology students. Not now. :(

Bill and Kim The largest Marlin caught here in Huatulco has been a baby 450 Kg (900 lb) and almost 15 ft long. 150 pounds Tunas are note uncommon. I've always thought that fishing is matter of luck, so no special recommendation for any boat-skipper. Catch and let'em go. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Hi Victor. I have not had the pleasure of meeting you yet. I go to bars very very seldom ( I could count the times I go every year with my right hand fingers) and I have missed yours, but one of these days I'll go to drink a beer (better a cofee) and meet you. It would be interesting to know the reasons you have to think that there is a so common anti-gringo attitude here in Huatulco. I can't perceive that attitude in the town. Contrary to this, I perceive that gringos and any other resident (business man or not) coming from outside Mexico are very welcome. Just to mention some that I guess you know: Roger, Robert Kraak, the same David García, Il Giardino del Papa, and what to say about the owners of the wonderful and beautiful houses and villas in Conejos. That's my perception, but I could be wrong, that 's why I'm asking you this. I have no doubt that there must be some, just a few anti-gringos (personally I don't know a single one), but I don't think your perception is the common attitude. And pardon me if I don't agree with you regarding the number of trustly business people in Huatulco. I think that there are not a few but a large number of them. There are of course, some not thrustworthy. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie [%sig%]

Got it PB. I've read it. The release mentions the main causes: residual waters, trash and industrial wastes. As I said, there is no way to dispose sewage waters into the ocean; there is not industry and I have not perceived a significant ammount of trash on the beaches or underwater (I perform not less than 500 dives every year) to be cause of pollution. I have two kids in the school and there are not an indicative of frequent gastro, ears, eyes or skin problems among the school population. Sometimes, when a real threat against the health arises in Huatulco, (for example red tides or the sudden death of fish in a near lagoon) we are warned to stay away from it and told how to prevent infections in the radio. I'll do some inquiries around this here and let you know. Saluods de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Will & Kim, I recommend David Garcia's boat Ventures... with his captain, Lacko... good rods, Penn International reels. A little more money that the pangas, but a better fishing experience. The boat's turbocharger is being replaced now and should probably be working by the time you get there. If you can't line up the Ventures, there are a number of incredibly talented panga fishermen at the marina. Valentino & Sharkey are two... there are more. Mike

Of the three, I only met Carlos. He is a multi faceted and talented individual. I met him when he and a friend of his, Jorge, were photographing my sister's wedding on the beach at Gala Resorts. They did an outstanding job and my sister was very happy with the results. I found him to be very personable, knowledgeable and easy to get along with. He is a dive instructor and biology teacher, and he probably rescues kittens stuck in trees and helps little old ladies crossing the street on his days off. Even though the Huatulco area is beautiful, it is the people like Calrlos and others mentioned in these reports that really make a difference to your vacation.

Hmmm. It would be nice to know which bay tested "dirty" and whether it was Conejos right after a mountain storm with the measurements taken at the river's mouth...

The interplay between peninsulares, creoles, meztisos, and indios also had a great deal of effect on development. Pre-Revolutionary Mexico was very much a caste-like society.Superiority complexes, inferiority complexes, and related resentment make it hard to build a healthy social system.

I appreciate your viewpoint, Roberto. Obviously, there are services for which barter is less than appropriate, and the price lists are out there for all to see. Professional services like dive trips and dive instruction certainly fall within that category - as do set taxi routes. And altogether too few visitors realize that true professionals in Huatulco are forced to keep their prices tight and profit margins low because of intense competion. You and Hector and Charlie are not the only three dive operators struggling for market share. So if a dive guide gives far superior service - which is normal in Huatulco - gratuities are quite appropriate - and for the boat captain as well. But you must understand that it is my experiences, not my heart, that make me extremely reluctant to wholeheartedly recommend prepayments and deposits.

Sherry, are you sure tomatoes are not native to the Mediterranean? I don't think we need any luck removing the British, they're already gone from 26 of 32 counties. The false majority created illegally in Ulster's 6 "Protestant" counties in 1921 is being eroded as I type, Catholics by nature are outbreeding Protestants, it's projected that by 2015 the Catholics can vote themselves into a 32 county, reunified Irish Republic, without either the need for another Thatcher-esque murder campaign or another shot being fired. George, isn't the whole point of conquering other nations systematically to ignore their visa requirements?? I mean, what's the point if we have to line up at the border while the tank crews file into an immigration office to apply for entry?

While I have tried to read as much as I can about the history of the conquest I am no expert and have at best a limited understanding of Mexican history. As a Canadian I have always been struck by the diffrences between the evolution of the northern colonies and those of Latin America. There are many similarities but some notable differences. One thing that has struck me is the small number of permanent Spanish nationals that ever made Mexico their home. Over the entire conquest and colonial perion there appear to be at most a few humdred thousand if that who made a life in Mexico. The mixing of indio and spaniard as mestizo during this period appears to be somewhat akin to the metis farther north - the result of transient conquerors taking "country wives" during their stay in the new world, or because there were no other options for them as few spanish women seem to have come who weren't already married and from the higher, haciendado class. My reading of the colonial period is that the mestizos population as has the metis population in Canada grew more because of their own internal birth rate and not because of a continuous large scale intermarriage of spanish and indio. The mestizo is a permanent remnant of the conquest, caught between the indiginous population and the spanish upper classes.

Sounds to me that this point is pretty much settled John. As long as everybody realizes that there are always two sides to the story, if not more.................. By the way: where is everybody? Huatulco has been dead after the second week of January. Is everybody waiting to see if a war with Iraq breaks out?? Roberto [%sig%]

Hi Victor, Yes, tomatos or most definitely a native American food. They are not a vegtable but a fruit. As you must know, they are called jitomates in Mexico. So Marinara, Bolognia sauces must have been a lot different preconquest. Note: As far as Guiness.. well, I'm not a big beer drinker; I use a bottle of the stuff in my Irish Beef Stew. Is that blasphemy or what?? But my Irish stew is the best. By the way, my last name is Madden, my parernal grandfather's grandfather came over from Eire in the 1840's when the settled on a potato farm in Derry, New Hampshire. My sister is planning her big 50th birthday on an island off the coast of Ireland. She loves it there. Carlos, If the quality of your scuba instruction is anything like your historical articulate and succinct overviews you must be great! We'll go to Huatulco just to take lessons from you!

Apaprently the report came from "Procuraduría Federal de Protección al Ambiente". Ive tried(and failed) to find the source report on the Internet, as opposed to the article about the report. If anybody ever finds the original report, please let me know. Thanks.

I'd be back in a heartbeat, but I think between my boss, my fiance, and my bank account, there might be some issues! Oh well! I'll just have to get my fix by haunting this message board! maria

Well, I'm not waiting for anything but for March 15th to get here. This will be our first trip and I'm excited and now addicted to this board to get any insight for our trip.

Sherry, I find it tough to beleive that tomatoes were never native in Europe's warmer climes, but as a plumber I'll bow to your superior knowledge of the origin of the world's fruits. There's no definitive Irish Stew, no blasphemy recorded, everyone makes it the way they like it. There is an Irish dish though, Beef in Guinness, which is delicious, you should be able to find a recipe through Internet search. As you know any alcohol added to food preparation not only flavours, but tenderises meats also. Beef in Guinness is no exception.

Hi all... I may be able to shed a little light into why Huatulco seem more empty these days. For Sunday departures out of Toronto with Skyservice, the plane makes a stopover in Puerto Vallarta after Huatulco. For Thursday departures out of Toronto with Air TransAt, the plane makes a stopover in Manzanillo after Huatulco. So there you have it, full planes heading for double destinations... I just wonder how many will get off in Huatulco ! JOHN

Hi Vic, I double checked on the tomato. I thought you might be interested in some more detailed information: http://www.eufic.org/gb/food/pag/food28/food284.htm It's so interesting to trace history through food. I tried to make mole but it came out bitter. My students thought it looked nasty. It's hard to make something that elaborate without watching/helping someone who knows and even then. But I make really great chocolate chip cookies. And I know very little about Irish cuisine although we have Irish bacon in the supermarket. Sherry

Please go to www.reforma.com/nacional/articulo/266981#nota for the whole article. There is a slight reference to Huatulco (also mentioned) and this was immediately refuted by Huatulco´s ecological representatives. Last year the Mexican media voted Huatulco as having the cleanest beaches in Mexico. Those of us like Charlie and I who are regularly in the waters here already know this to be true. Rick Gazer Agua Azul la Villa B&B

Pity when such a minor mention can call near panic and changed plans. The > I recall a recent television program on food where they explained that, while the tomato is indeed a fruit, during a case heard before the U.S. supreme court in the early part of the 1900's, a plaintif in a case involving tariffs that were due on fruit imports was able to successfully argue that the tomato is a vegetable. Therefore, in the U.S., the tomato fruit is legally a vegetable. p.s.: If it weren't so miserably cold here in the northeast U.S. I wouldn't have to spend so much time watching the damn TV! Jeff

From my previous message I am offering Jesus Vasquez cell number in Huatulco. From the United States the number is 011-52-958-58-94161. From in country in Mexico it is 044-958-58-94161. This phone is answered 24 hours a day by Jesus. ENJOY YOUR VACATION!

US President Reagan tried to reclassify ketchup as a vegetable for purposes of satisfying the requirements for vegetable in school lunch programs.... and Ronnie must know. Early ketchup didn't even have tomoato in it! 97% of US households contain a bottle of ketchup. This > I have tried to grow tomatoes on the Oaxacan coast and have had miserable results. Does anybody have any > Mike, Thanks for the info. We are very excited. I will look for Valentino and Sharkey on Sunday Feb 16. I hope to go out Monday or Tues. Language is not a problem - Necesito practicar Espanol if they have the patience. I will check into Ventures later in the week if the whole family wants to go out or I can find someone to share. Any recent reports on the catch? What is typical for mid Feb? Hope to hook up with some day. Will

Charlie, Thanks for the info. Sounds great. I agree with you mostly suerte. Kim's first time in Zihuat she caught two pez vela and I only had a dinner dorado. Second day we caught (and released of course) 9 together! Other days nada. We are not at Barcelo but I will swing through to say hello (we stayed once at Barcelo Ixtapa and liked it but no dive shop). Will and Kim

Well my friends I must say that as of right now this is the most educating > Now we're treading different waters with the opening of the relgion question! I agree with you RW that the difference between the religions (protestant/catholic) was really a defining factor in our present differences between Anglo/Latin Americas. I hope we can explain this so that the vacationing traveler reading this > The Tuna fishing has been fantastic the last couple of days and I hope it will continue as my adult children will be down on the 10th of Feburary and are looking forward to catching a lot of fish As to your question about a good captain and boat as mentioned before there are many pangas and I have never heard a bad word from anyone about Valentino David Garcia is a friened of mine and runs wonderful boat but unfortunally the boat has been in repair for monthes waiting on parts and David himself has not been here for quite some time I am looking forward to seeing both him and his boat again But since David probley will not be here by the time you arrive I would suggest that you Contact Mario Cobos he will be able to take care of you if you still are looking for something bigger then a panga. Many of my guests have use Mario and they always come back with a smile Marios phone number is 58571833 Wayne Overby Villa Sol y Mar

Some suggestions on growing tomatoes: Tomatoes hate to have there "feet" extremely dry. Plant them in heavy soil (not sand) that will retain water. Give them adequate nitrogen fertilizer. In the huatulco climate, you may have to water them daily. You may want to try growing them under a layer of thin cotton cloth placed high over the plants. This should moderate some of the intense sun exposure. Most of the high quality tobacco grown for cigar wrappers is grown in this fashion - "shade grown tobacco". Jeff

John, the Greene novel is "the Power and the Glory." I'd read it just a few years ago and couldn't remember the name either, so I did a quick check on Amazon.com (ain't the Web great?). Charlie, I wanted to point out that not all Indians in North America were treated by anglos as they were in much of what's now the US; Canada's history of relations with its indigenous people is much more peaceful. True there was the Metis war, but on the whole Indians and whites in Canada coexisted fairly peacefully, probably mainly because the Hudsons Bay Company needed the Indians to gather furs. I believe the Company also actively discouraged European settlement of its domain, so as to keep its fur trade undisturbed. This is fun!

RW, I realise you're not "Catholic bashing", the church in those days was responsible for many evils.Our history in Ireland differs though. About AI bashing, I just had a Canadian couple in the bar yesterday, they told me that the tour guide in their hotel told them that in no way should they venture into La Crucecita as it's unsafe, they should never take a taxi or rent a car, as the whole area is not safe for tourists to travel about alone. That they should only leave the hotel with him/her alongside. We business people in La Crucecita really need this kind of help! I'm not posting either the name of the hotel or the guide on here, but if any other bar/restaurant owners want to know so they can make a complaint to the hotel, they can visit me in the bar and I'll verbally pass on the info. Sorry for switching the subject again, but I'm kind of irked about this. Vic.

If anyone WANTS more AI bashing, feel free to pull my chain anytime. They're just a step above one of those polluting cruise ships, which are also known as "newlyweds and nearly deads." I am curious as to which hotel was stooping to that kind of advice in their attempt to keep all the money in the golden birdcage of Tangolunda.

John, check your mail. Vic

Wayne, I spoke with David a few days ago. The turbocharger he needs to replace on the Ventures is there and may be installed by now. He's expecting to be in Huatulco by mid-February... provided he can travel with his busted ribs.. ouch. Looking forward to seeing you down there! Mike

Happy Birthday greeting to Carlos Ramos today from Anne & Terry Welch

Try this website: www.nautitours.com They win 1st place some years ago in the sailfish tounament.

Feliz Cumpleanos, Carlos!!! Tu Amiga, maura

PB, I can only assume that by August you will have fresh ripe tomatoes in your garden- good luck and don't forget to share. I think that we can all agree that Catholicism has played an important role durring the last 2,000 years. Perhaps it is safer to say that religion in general has been shaping our history since time began. One note about Catholicism though. I beleive durring the period 100-300 AD Christian persecution under the Roman Empire was at it's height, however it appears that arround 400Ad (not exactly sure- but generally in this period) Christianity begins to become swallowed up by Roman Pagganism. From roughly this point on Christianity under the Romans becomes excepted and eventually its maintstrem religion. Actually I think it was arround 500 AD that the > Wayne, Thanks for the advice!! Richard

Carlos Ramos, Since you have a great wealth of historical knowledge, how would you like to teach me to scubba dive. I will be in HUX on the 13th, for 2 weeks. Is that enough time? Can I get my liscense? RW

Jeff, thanks for the tip about the tomatoes. I was using sand to mix with the heavier dirt so I will try to use less and none at all. I will also water more even though I thought I was giving them plenty of water. Also I was planning on bringing some shade cloth. I tried some tomato varieties from Florida last year but they just did not want to do it. So this year it will be some different varieties, shade cloth, keep an eye on the water, and I'll try a new bed with better soil. If this does not work I will stick with watermelons and peppers and the tree fruit although the tree fruit does not seem to be as much fun. Another Graham Greene book is "The Lawless Roads". In fact anything by Graham Greene would be a good read on the beach. This won't matter to many of you because you do so many other things while down there. Bay tours, fishing, scuba diving, coffee plantation exploring, checking out Puerto Angel area, Oaxaca for a couple of nights, shopping, bar hopping, food exploring, sunset tours, horseback riding and renting scooters among other things. Jeez, the more I think about it, I think I would need a vacation after my vacation if I did all the things you guys do. How about some more interesting books to read while laying in the sun on the Oaxacan coast. PB

RW, I was typing while you were posting. Yes I will share tomatoes if they grow. As of now though, I am kinda skeptical. Oh, all this history is very interesting too. Also, the > Burn him at the stake ! (1670's Plymouth style) I am confident that your tomatoes will grow!

Felicidades Charly, tu sabes cuanto se te quiere.

Right Wing - the extirminated people of Newfoundland were the Beothuk - last one died in the early 19th century. Newfoundland is where the first permanent european settlements were started after the Portugese discovered the rich cod fishing on the Grand Banks in the mid to late 1490's. (not counting the Vikings who were there 500 years before but left) Your point about the distruction of Aboriginal cultures in North America is well taken. In the US there was more overt violence during settlement as well as extensive state sponsored military terror, while the Canadian experience was less so it featured a large amount of slaughter and great decimation by desease. This difference exists for a couple of reasons, first because of the slow pace of settlement in the north west which was perceived as valueless uncivilized wilderness for the first two centuries after the conquest, the second and most important was the link to the fur trade. From 1670 until well into the 19th century the Hudson Bay Company by was by royal charter was the exclusive agent of the crown. All lands that drained into Hudson Bay were under its exclusive control. This is a vast area tha reached from near the headwaters of the Mississippi in the south to the rockies on the west and almost all of Ontario and Quebec. The aboriginal popoluation while not exactly considered equal, were by and large the economic engine of their and the competing North-west Company's empires. After the northern plains were discovered to be worth settling in the 1850's it became clear the Indian had to go. Canada refined its Indian policy and adopted a system of forced resettlement to reserves under a series of Treaties. This formed the model for Aparteid in South Africa.

We are going to huatulco 2/15 and I am very excited. Found this message board...do not know to what you are referring, but like what you said. The exact reasons we are going here for the first time. Being a newer scuba diver do you recommend any particular business? We are of course going to the two close towns...for a trip farther out...to pick just one, what would you recommend. We only have a week. thanks

RW, I think my opinions on "British diplomacy" should be kept off the board, it wouldn't be fair to use that kind of language on a board read by women, children, or anyone with a heart condition. My knowledge of American history is limited to say the least, but it hasn't escaped my attention that in 7 years living in Colorado I met probably 5 individuals of Native Indian or mixed race, while in a year in Mexico I've probably met the same number of pure Spanish race. To me this is a huge difference in how each conqueror treated it's "converts". I also lived for a period in Australia and can tell you the same kind of figures exist there for the Aboriginies as do for the Natives of North America. Except in the state of Tasmania where the British completely wiped out the native population by literally fanning out across the island and walking forward killing everything in their path. Tasmania is the large island off the south eastern coast of Australia, the Aboriginies who inhabited this island were a unique race with differing traditions and culture from mainland Australian natives...this race simply ceased to exist. The population of Ireland in 1847 was 8 million, today it's around 4 million. We still haven't recovered from "The Great Hunger". Most Irish people refuse to use the term "famine" as there was plenty of food in Ireland at the time, but the conquerors farming the good land prefered to sell and ship their food to England, rather than save the lives of the natives starving to death in the west of the country. Would Spanish conquerors have been so ruthless? I must say for the record, about the activities of certain hotels' guides, in over 23 years traveling this planet, almost all as a working immigrant, I have never seen anywhere as safe, quiet and crimeless as Huatulco, Mexico. Vic.

Ok, the wife has really been looking forward to a nice massage...not too sure if our AI will offer this. Anyone know of a establishment. We are staying at the Barcelo. T-minus 7days!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, but with home computer meltdown and restoration, my e-address book is gone. If you see the lovely and talented super duo Jamie & Katie please ask them to drop us a line at mrkpaint@swbell.net. I hope all is well. Thanks Mike & Lil

hi wayne when you say the fishing was fabulous what do you mean? Type of fish Size Number jim c

Hi Scott, The lady at the Barcelo that gives massge is very good and not to cosly. Tell you wife to go for the one inside it's much better then the one that can be given outside. Have fun the Barcelo is a good hotel if you see Blandino at super or Cellsio at breakfest say hola from Christobal Colon y Lyne

Anyone booking with Valentino should make sure you have a full 8 person load or he might take a better offer and send someone else to take you instead. It happened to us last week. Trust me. His word isn't worth a damn.

Feliz cumpleanos Charlie, Y muchas mas!! Wish we could be there to do a birthday dive with you! Rob, Russ, John & George!

Sure Mike, will do. Any sign of a footpeg? The old one fell off again and I'm tied to using 4 wheels until I can get a replacement, I am of course willing to pay. All is well, hope you two are likewise. Vic.

Damn, Charlie, another year better, eh?

Every vacationer has different comfort levels of travel. My preference is to stay in small places where the locals are not in the big resorts. My wallet also requires it. But regardless of where or how you like to travel, I urge you to try some of the small local places. When the cook/waitress/owner/dishwasher is the same person, I really feel I have been travelling. Remember, a smile says a lot.

I have been told that massages are one of the offerings in the new luxury spa in Chahúe.

I forget whether in was the Council of Nicea or the Council of Ghent that restored Mary's hymen in the 4th century, posthumously, irregardless of James, Jesus' older brother. But this establishment of the virgin birth cult may have made the Spanish conquest of Mexico possible - or easier, at any rate. After all, Huízilopochtlí, the Aztec Hummingbird godd, was also believed to be of virgin birth. Yet another similarity. Should any of you be staying All-Inclusive and hear Carolina from the Gala or any other tourguide refer to La Crucecita as dangerous, CALL THEM ON IT! Call them liars to their faces and make sure as many people as possible hear you doing so. It's a bald-faced attempt to keep your money in Tangolunda nad specifically in their resort. It strangles the loacal businesses as well as being untrue. I'm telling you, you can walk the streets of Huatulco alone a 4:00 am in greater safety than your own home town at noon.

I have never been to HUX, but in Puerto Vallarta some friends and I had a night ruined by a "friendly" waiter who mistook us for the Rockefellers. Luckily I smelled a rat early. I never run a tab unless I know the prices, be it in Mexico or in my freezing hometown.

Hey I am going to the barcello resort from January 30 to Febuary 6. I am 15 years old. Please Reply!! [%sig%]

Hi Sherry. My name is Carlos Ramos (aka Charlie) and if you wish to dive, I will be more than happy to lead your underwater experience. I work for the dive center located in the Barcelo resort property. Although it's into the Barcelo's property, it's open to the whole public. I'm sending you an email to your address. Saludos de tu amigo. RW. If you come for two weeks you'll have more time than we need. Depending in the cerification level you could be interested with, we would need between 2 and 4 days. If you wish I could tell you some interesting facts about the diving history, little bit less bloody than America's one. Charlie. RAP. I have to admit the fact that I'm not familiar with Canada's history. The average mexican does not have mcuh contact with Canadian culture. My job puts my in touch with several Canadians, but for most of us Canada is a nice country and very cold, that´s all. The history of Canada is not too close to ours, probably that's the reason. We've never been invaded by Canada! Victor, John et alli. La Crucesita dangerous? ...... Wait a minute while I stop laughing. Looks clear that this guide was trying to get his 'guided couple to raise his week'. I think this issue is guide's business more than all inclusive resorts' policy. Being a "chilango" (originary from Mexico City) I can distinguish between a dangerous and a safe place. I live in La Crucesita, and I go to ATM's machines at any time during the night, leave the door open, don't look over my shoulder looking for assailants. My kids play in the streets and parks without any supervision ( without excessive care or supervision I mean). I've left my car open (I mean windows down-locks up) thousands of times. This place is the safest place I have ever been in my whole life. That's one of the main (if not the main reason) I still live in Huatulco. There is not much money, but the quality of life is the best. Saludos a todos de su amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Mike. I guess you've been here before, is that right? saludos de tu amigo Charlie [%sig%]

Thanks you very much. I apreciatte you greetings. Anne and Terry, I met a friend of you today, he went to snorkel with me and two nice girls from Toronto (he was snorkeling whit one of them while I dove with the other one). He told me you went at 8:30 AM to the dive shop but I wasn't there yet. I'm sorry but I'll see you one of these days. Maria. Say hello to the other two Marias ( it's complicated to understand who is who!). Rob. Last year we were diving in a day like today. Veronica (John's one) is here right now!.She has come to my house two times. I would like to go diving with the Green Bays Gang again. What about some more Spanish excuses...ooops, I mean lessons to come here. 40 dives last year were not enough? John. Not so bad. I've just spent another shitty day on the paradise. Gracias a todos. Su amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Que onda mi buen Jorge, Gracias. Anoche estuvo muy bien la velada. Rosy y yo nos la pasamos de lujo y sin duda hicimos una buena elección para celebrar en el Cafecito de Chahue escuchandote cantar. Saludos. Charlie. [%sig%]

George. You makes me feel overhwelmed with your kind comments relative to my person! It's nice to kniw that the photos were fine. It was an easy job under the direction of your sister. But you are wrong, I would not rescue a kitten for nothing on this world! Actually, cats produce on my an allergic reaction (skin rush and one hundred sneezes for minute) and I try to stay as far as posible of cats. I prefer jelly fish rather than cats! Please seay hello to Gale (sp?) and Wayne Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Will y Kim. Would be nice to shake your hands. See you soon. Saludos de su amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

First of all, we like to start by saying that John Williams KNOWS HIS STUFF!!!!! For those of you coming for your first time I'd like to offer some advice. If your staying at one of the hotels in Tangolunda, GREAT... the best part about this is your in Huatulco, the real Mexican paradise! Venture out BEYOND your hotel and the beaches in front of your hotel. Believe me... it is SAFE! Huatulco is practically crime free. When we go down we always stay in La Crucecita. We usually don't bother making reservations ahead of time. There is an abundance of great places to stay. There is a variety of great beaches within minutes for a 20 peso cab ride ($2 US). I would like to recommend a few hotels... Mission de los Arcos, Sam and his wife run an excellent operation. They have air conditioning, ceiling fans, beautiful decor (Meditteranean style w/ceramic tile), and cable TV (if you are interested in some news updates). It also is has a great gym facility and an internet cafe/coffee house attached. Another hotel, Las Palmas is located right above one of the best restaurants, El Sabor de Oaxaca. For my extended stays, I've rented a two bedroom two bath apartment at La Mirador... not fancy but clean, safe, and economical ($200 US per month). What to do during the day... so many choices! If you like fishing, two guides I would recommend... numero uno, Valentino. He is the man you'll find on Tangolunda beach with the frisbee. He is the fisherman's fisherman! Valentino prepares the best doritas on the boat. (what are doritas??? hire Valentino to find out!!) If you want to get deep, hire David Garcia. You'll find him at the zocalo at Ventures. David owns a Stryker, he will get you in the deep waters to find the sailfish. And yet one other I'd like to recommend is Jesus Vasquez (aka Sharky).

continued... Sharky speaks good English and will not only take you fishing but will be your personal tour guide on your vacation. Beaches... don't waste your time on Tangolunda! There are too many great beaches... Entrega, Maguey, Santa Cruz, San Augustin can all be reached by car. And Conejos, Cacaluta, Chacaqual can be reached by panga (ie water taxis). You can get even your own private beach! Restaurants... La Crucecita has a ton! Sabor de Oaxaca, Los Portales, Oasis, Maria Sabina (she's a gal mentioned in one of the Beatles songs... can't remember which one). Santa Cruz... Dona Celia's owned by a family that is originally from the area. I've eaten here numerous times. The tables are right close to the water and the sound of the waves is so relaxing! Trips in the area... whether it be for the night or just the day. GO TO PUERTO ANGEL! (taxi ride s/b between $20-30 US). Go to Playa Panteon and if you stay overnight, stay at Cordelias. The rooms are right on the bay with a balcony. It's a new hotel (brush up on Spanish!!!) and you must check out Zipolite. (clothing optional on part of the beach) Restaurants.. PA...Suzies, Zipo... Roco Blanca. The MOST fun part of a trip to Huatulco is the friendly people. You will make friends! They will remember you! Huatulco is everything that is different from what you do daily. No franchises or chains, no rude people, no traffic jams, NOT Cancun, Orlando, or Vegas! The cultural experience is for those of you that "get it". Enjoy, relax, slow down and soak in the sun! You will see us 2/25 - 3/6.

Sharky, check out "valuable info" posting on this site... We will contact you soon via your e-mail. We want to go into the mountains.

Mike, one word: Dexkit. It's right on the beach in Santa Cruz and will probably have the best crop of local girls appropriate to your age group.

Will and Kim - You asked about Puerto Angel and whether it's worth the drive. There are various opinions, but I certainly vist every time I go down. When the owner of this site and I started going down to this coast in the 1970's, there was no Bahias de Huatulco resort, just a few palapas in Santa Cruz. But Puerto Angel was there. As well as most of the people who still live there, who have always made me feel that I was home there. But as you haven't gotten to know these fine people, let me recommend that you visit and look over the pangas before you start negotiating. Visit both the Playa Principal and Playa Panteon before making a choice.

I must echo Carlos Ramos' and Vic's comments. I was in Huatulco at the end of Nov (or begining of Dec- can't remeber) when they had the huge outdoor EARTH CONCERT. My guess was about 2-3,000 pepole (maybe more), food, beer, fun... and not a problem all night to my knowledge. I walked home alone safely through the streets and to my Hotel where I was once again greeted with the finest Mexican hospitality. Vic, I thought of you this morning as I was having breakfast with a collegue of mine, which still refers to Canada as one of the "Colonies"- guess where he's from- we were discussing this very topic on the Board and he made a most profound comment as to why the desparity between the two Americas- " because of Britain law and order" he blurted. This seems rather rude and arrogant at first, however we are in a debate so I will endulge. The essence of this point is true. The British were famous for their diplomancy throughout the world and they were skilled in setting up colonial adminstration in foreign lands using the native (not aboriginal) culture to their advantage. For example the caste system within India worked well for colonial adminstration. Similarly these examples can be seen throughout Africa, the Balkans, the Middle East etc etc. Now I am not saying that the British were right, nor am I taking sides, however, I am merely > I've been scanning the board for a couple weeks now and picked up a lot of great info and tips. This board has definitely increased my excitement in coming to Huatulco in a week. I have a couple basic questions. Is there a range for tipping? (In the US it is15-20 %) Do the locals prefer dollars or pesos? What is the electrical voltage? We are staying at the Barcellos-is walking to town an option? Thanks for all the information! Jan [%sig%]

I just heard about Huatulco and am considering going this April for a week. It would be my wife, 6-year-old daughter and myself, along with another couple and their 12 year old. Several questions: 1. Is there stuff for families to do? 2. What is the best and least expensive way to get there (on plane, obviously!) from Boston, MA? 3. I have a choice of 3 time shares: Club Plaza Huatulco, Marina Resort Huatulco and Villa Blanca. Which is the best and why? 4. How are the prices there? 5. Besides sit on a beach, what is there to do? (I'll be there for one week) 6. Any other helpful hints or suggestions?? Thanks Rob

Carlos, I've already told my daughter we'd be going scuba diving. She's a good swimmer and will be 11 1/2 by then. My ex suggested we (not with him) go to Peru (his hometown). No dice!!! It's safe and happy Huatulco for me all the way. When I traveled there two years ago, I felt completely safe and I would never venture to the all inclusives as they seem kind of generic and really could be anywhere. Kind of like going camping in the forest with a fully equipped 36-foot motorhome. You're in a very comfortable cocoon at an exotic locale. It's just not for me. Huatulco is uncorrupted. You don't walk down the streets feeling like everybody wants your money like in Cancun. The people are friendly but not pushy. I don't care if it's out of the way; I'll be there next year. La Crucita is a sweet little town. Canada is absolutely beautiful... in the early 70's my family drove from Boston to Fairbanks Alaska three years in a row. Canada is much less populated and therefore also more pristine, especially up by the Yukon Territory. Maybe after 30 years it's more populated but it can't be as ruined as say, Yellowstone National Park which is overrun by people. Spent a New Year's in Montreal. Froze my a--- off!! And you haven't eaten until you experience "poutin" (sp?) (a concoction of french fries, gravy, and cheese) or "creton" (herbed and seasoned pork fat pate -- my grandmother used to make it but she used the New Hampshire pronouncation "greton"). Also, I love the fact I can go to a different country in less than 6 hours in a car.. Canada is NOT the US. I love my country but I'm glad there is a different one nearby. Waiting for yet another snowstorm tomorrow night. Who ever is going to Huatulco, enjoy it for the rest of us who are stuck up here in the subzero regions of NA. Sherry

1. Yes. 2. It will be expensive getting there but well worth it. Most likely you'll change planes in Mexico City unless you drive to Canada and catch a charter. 3. Of the three, I'd pick La Marina. It's in Santa Cruz, which is an excellent central location with a number of good restaurants and clubs right there. 4. Prices are higher than you remember Mexico being but quite cheap compared to the US. Entrës will probably run $5-7 at a good restaurant. 5. Billfishing. Rock climbing. Golf. Snorkeling. Scuba. Panga tours of the bay. Visiting a coffee plantation, which is like a wildlife refuge. Birding. Horseback riding. Far more things to do than you have time in which to do them. 6. Go.

Barcelo is a long, hot, but doable walk from town. Your tipping range is good. SOME, but not all, who survive on tips like dollar bills as they save them back for a rainy day.Electricity is 110-115v 60cycle, like at home with the occasional "browning out" typer temprary lowering of voltage.

I think the Club plaza is the same as the Castillo. I would chose that over the Marina which I took a little tour of a few weeks ago. The Castillo has a nice little beach club. Both places are not on the water so you get shuttled to the beach clubs. Greg

Dave, Seems like the issue here is these Capitanes are trying to wear two hats. One - taking folks out for fishing or Two - hauling folks to the various bays. I have been on the other side of the deal before. We have been fishing Zihuat for many years with the same family fleet (father and two sons) never going through the cooperativa. The elder son does all the booking etc. We had scheduled a couple of days via phone from the US. I arrive at the muelle jump on the boat but the father had a charter slip from the cooperativa. Since I was a long time customer, he gave the cooperativa slip to someone on the dock and we were on our way. I would assume five minutes later some other gringo arrives and is looking for "his" boat" only to see it pulling away. He probably is still commenting on how the fishing is in Zihuat. Perhaps I am wrong but I will look for a boat that fishes exclusively and another boat that hauls folks/divers etc. around. I would not ask my Zihuat captains to haul me to Ixtapa Island so we can have a picnic lunch on the beach. Will and Kim

Will and Kim, I think you will find that almost all, if not all, the pangas pull double duty. Huatulco is different than Ixtapa. There are not nearly as many people that go to Huatulco.For this reason these boats have to do whatever they can to make money. It does not matter if a boat goes fishing one day and then a bay tour the next and then a sunset cruise later in the afternoon and maybe a night dive at midnight.. All you will be doing is spreading your money around - which isn't bad. PB

John, Victor and anyone else who is interested! Let me just say that the comment I made about my bar bill was really meant to point out how INEXPENSIVE our meal was at El Pata. We had a wonderful meal for surprisingly little money. If you go a block off the zocalo in La Crucecita, the already "not unreasonable" prices go down considerably, while the quality remains the same, if not better. That applies to restaurants, shops and even hotels to some extent. Cactus is a nice place, they have good drinks, and yes, they are a bit more expensive than some other places, but I don't feel we were "ripped off" or taken advantage of. I would go back anytime for another mango dacquiri and some conversation! 'Nuff said on the subject!!! (can't we all just get along????) maria

How much is not too costly for an hour massage?

We are going to the Gala in early March, we would like to go fishing but not for the whole day, maybe 3 or 4 hours, Could you tell us how much would this cost and if it is possible?

To Jim, I am not Wayne but my wife and I went fishing on January 21st. We caught 8 Bonita and 5 Tuna in about 2 and a half hours of fishing. The Bonita went about 10 lbs and the Tuna were in the 20 lb range. We had a larger one that must have been 30 plus at the boat but missed the gaff. We cut the trip short because my wife was a starting to get sea sick. We were about 1 or 2 miles off shore for the Bonita and about 12 miles for the tuna. We went Fishing with Tony Lopez Lopez, and Rojo. Cost $180 US. He said for 5 hours but he dosen't wear a watch so 4 or 6 what's the difference? Just check out the harbour and make sure they are still bringing in fish when you go. Greg

Hi Robert, We offer a all-day excursion which is a combination of a tour of the bays, scuba diving for those who want to and several hours on a secluded beach where you can sunbath, relax, swim, go snorkeling, etc. If you´re not a scuba diver, we can combine it with an introduction into diving (for those who are at least 10 years of age). You´ll have a professional Instructor with you all day and the boat at your disposal to go where ever you want (within the "bays of Huatulco" that is!). We provide a light lunch, snacks and drinks for the whole day. It´s really a fun day out for the whole family! If you want a quote on your "made to measure" excursion please send me an e-mail with the amount of people wanting to dive and other relevant info. You can check out our website for more info: www.hurricandivers.com/Excursions.html Roberto www.hurricanedivers.com hurricanedivers@hotmail.com Santa Cruz Beach, Huatulco [%sig%]

I normally stay out of the > Since messages are posted frequently on this board asking for the same info on fishing, snorkeling and renting "pangas", I thought it might be an > Yolanda, sorry you feel that way. I really can't remember saying that, it's not the kind of generalisation I would say, especially as it's not what I think. And "cheap" is an American term not used by Irish people. Any chance you could send me the actual > RW, of course you can! My postings above were not in search of arguments, I really don't know a lot about this side of the world's history and was trying to figure out how differently the Spanish treated their conquerees. Like you said, it's really only useful at this stage for learning from our pasts. I think all would agree that with today's shrunken world it's a lot more difficult for a nation, or people, to get away with some of our past's inhumanities. Charlie, John et all, the couple I refered to said that their hotel and guide charged them 250 pesos for a "tour" of La Crucecita, they were astounded to find out from Alejandra and I that they could have just paid 20 pesos to a taxi for the same trip. Vic.

Thanks, Roberto. Another skin- and money - saving tip: many of you ladies may have a long-sleeve unitard from some dance class, maybe taken long ago. Only slightly re-configured, these garments are sold as "diveskins" and are PERFECT for minimizing sunburn. And because little stinging critters need electro-chemical stimuli before firing their pnematocysts, the same thin unitard will protect you from jellyfish and other stinging fellows. (I can't spell cnidarians, sorry) If you plan to do lots of things in oceanic waters, it may be worth your while to pick up one of these handy dandy little garments. THey also make it easier to pull on a wetsuit!

Greg, the Club Plaza Huatulco is a nice little hotel/condo set-up, but it is not the Castillo All Inclusive option. Club Plaza Huatulco is between the divided lanes accross from the Barcelo. Actually, for several reasons it's my favorite accomodations on Tangolunda...

Gotta back up Puerto Bill on this one. If there was enough traffic to keep a boat busy "fishing only", you wouldn't find so few first class bill fishing boats - the fish ARE there. Most of the panga captains think of themselves as fishermen first and foremost, but will haul tourists if there's nobody wanting to fish. And many of those who take you to tour bays and snorkel will troll on the way.

Distance from Bacelo to La Crucesita is 6 km. So consider to walk for one hour and a half under 90°F + and a shinny sun. I guess a 20 pesos cab can save some electrolites and water in your body. Have a lot of fun in Huatulco. All you are always very welcome. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

How does 19 yellow fin in 3 hours sound the people pulled off the tuna then to search of dorado or Sails they did not catch any of them but say many more tuna. 2 days earlier they caught the same amount of tuna but it took them 8 hours All the fish were between 15 - 35 lbs But don't get to excited I went out this morning for 5 hours and only caught 3 Bonita I guess thats why they call it fishing and not catching Wayne Overby Villa Sol y Mar

Mario Cobos in Crucita gives the best massage that I have ever had his fee is 250 pesos for 1 1/2 hour's his phone number is 5871833 Wayne Overby Villa Sol y Mar

Do not forget the Villa Blanca my wife and I stayed there for month's while our home was being built we loved the location and the help there is excellent Wayne Overby Villa Sol y Mar

Actually, there are several travel agencies offering the CITY TOUR or DISCOVERY TOUR o whatever they want to call it. It's clear that anyone can explore the downtown and sourroundings by themselves just paying for the cabs (20 pesos each trip). But it's also clear that some tourists preffer to go in a guided tour, with a local guide, in an insured VAN with air conditoned. It's matter of preferences (and pockets). I would preffer to get acquainted with a new place by my own means, but some people preffer to take a guided tour. A travel agency has to pay rent to the hotel, sellers, guides, phones, and all the stuff required to run their business; VANs are expensive and insurance too. I think this fact should be considered when making comparisons. Referring to my friend Roberto Hurricane's posts, there are always two or more sides of the same issue. Consider that there is some added value when a service is booked thru a travel agency. It's like buying a beer in the grocery store (3 to five pesos) and drinking it in the corner or in the park or in the hotel's room) or going to a nice bar and pay more for the same beer (there is an added value in ambiance, music, chat, whatever) and that's perfectly fair. In my own area of business, tourists could perfectly buy an inexpensive set of fins and masks at home, come here, go by themselves (taking a cab if they wish) to La Entrega Beach and have a great day snorkeling for just the cost of the cab trip. But if they want to go under the guide and supervision of a local guide, it would cost a bit more, specially if they want to go in a boat; and probably this trip could be a bit more expensive if they decide to go with a diving professional, who has paid a lot of money and time getting experience,knowledge, and also has fixed expenses to run his operation. The fact I consider very unfair is to tell the people that if they go by themselves can be dangerous when this is not true, just to sell the tour. Saludos de su amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

John, Thanks for the correction. I was thinking of the Costa Club. I got mixed up. Greg

The Marina hotel is beautiful, but in recent years their prices have increased significantly. Their best rooms overlook the marina.. and can be noisy with all the radios and revelry on the boats and in the marina area. The Marina's beach club is a short walk down the sidewalk. I recommend you avoid the Tangolunda area andd stay at the Marina or the Villa Blanca.. and go snorkeling or diving with Robert at Hurricaine Divers.. an easy walk to their beachfront shop from all of these hotels. I guarantee you'll have a great experience with him. You and your family will fall in love with Huatulco. Mike

Wayne, the score was fine after all: 3-0 Yesterday we went fishing and the fish caught the captain and one fishermen. We lost 2-0! Just kidding. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Sorry you got semi-skunked, Wayne! Bonita are fun but I don't eat them... Will & Kim... I'll be there on 2/14 for a couple of weeks.. staying at the Hotel Castillo in Santa Cruz. I've fished this area quite a bit (and Zihuat in years past). Give me a call.. maybe we can share a boat once or twice. My girlfriend wants to fish, but probably not as much as I do. This time of year it seems that people bring in tuna & bonita.. some dorado. Sails and marlin aren't around. I've had fishermen/salesmen tell me there are sails being caught, but I've never seen one in February. I think its safe to say that some panga captains don't fish, but that all pangas that do fish also do bay tours when there's no fishing biz... bigger boats like Ventures just fish. Mike Jones

Kathy, We can not thank you enough for the photos you shared with us. We are so looking forward to our trip, and seeing these photos just helped our excitement even more! Less than 1 week left!!!

Hi Katy. Nice pictures! The kind of whales you got in your pictures are Humpback whales. The three species I've seen here are humpbacks, killer whales (orcas) and pilot whales. Pilot whales can be confused with dolphins, but their heads have a very special shape and very often travel in company of bottle nose dolphins. Congratulations. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Hi Mike and Maria. It 's all depends what kind of fishing you want to go ,for small game I caharge 35 usa and for deep sea fishing I charge 50 usa with drinks ph hours and one thing I always go for 4 hours but , I give you 4 hours fishing so I go like 5 hours all together because I like seing my custumer with big smile when we comeback to the beach even we cath or not I am telling you this, because fishing is a game some time the fish is not hungry then i can not do nothing about it ,thanks hope you do business with me when you come down here my cellphone number is 044 958 58 94161 ,I am avaible everyday take care see you soon .

Vic, There was a book written several years ago titled "History and The Last Man" - I forget the author, maybe someone can help me out. Anyways the essence of the book is that we have become so globalised as a result of industrialisation; the author argues that as a result of globalisation "nationalism" as we know it today will eventually fade and will serve only a cultural purpose. We will refer tou our nationality onlly in reference, much the same way we describe our religion. He also argues that the world will be divided into ecconomic jurrisdictions with specialised products and functions. Interesting, wether or not we agree with him it makes for a fascinating discussion. By the way, look at the tag on your shirt... where was it made?... doesn't seem so far fetched now does it? Have a burger and a cold coke ready for me cause I'll be back in town !! Hey Carlos, remember we have a scuba lesson appointment. I will call you this week-end!! RW

Hi Charlie... At first I thought they were humpbacks also, however their tails looked different from other Humpbacks I had seen as there was absolutely no white on the underside of their tails. Usually there is a white pattern that the whales are recognized with. I also felt that their flukes were not as long and elongated as what I had seen in the past... but hey, I could be wrong... not like I am a whale expert!! I was trying to take photos, taking direction from 8 others in the boat on whewre and what to shoot, and fighting sea sickness all at the same time!! haha I figured I was lucky to get any photos of anything without dropping the camera in the water off the side!!

Yep, we trolled on the way out to find our whales and dolphins and altho we didn't specify fishing as part of the deal, it sure was exciting for the two guys who were able to reel them in! I do have to agree with the comments on low tourism forcing vendors etc. to do things that you "might" not see in other areas that are more popular to tourists. With the incredible atmosphere that Huatulco area gives to tourists (few other tourists, beautiful landscapes and shore lines, wonderful deserted beaches) I guess there is a trade off.

Charlie, All 3 of us say hello and happy birthday!! maria

RW, Interesting point, and looking at the way the world's heading with free trade agreements and larger and larger economic blocs springing up everywhere, I'd say it's inevitable. Coupled with the seemingly redundant concept of large wars between modern free societies, ala WW2 or WW1, looking at today's world it's almost impossible to comprehend that it was only 60 years ago countries like U.S.A., Britain, Japan, Germany and Russia were engulfed in a world war so brutal. About 20 years ago, during the Cold War, a friend of mine in Dublin made a comment to me which at the time I found rediculous, he said that in the near future the only wars that would exist would be either terrorist or drugs in nature. I don't know where he got this info, but he's beeing proved to be correct. How do you know I'm wearing a shirt?? <looking frantically around the room for hidden cameras> Charlie, there's absolutely nothing wrong with free competition, and tourists being given choices how to spend their hard earned money. Someone telling them outright lies, and planting completely groundless fears in them, just to try to stop them spending that money anywhere else but their hotel is downright pathetic. It's also not good for Huatulco and Mexico in the long term. Can you imagine what these tourists tell their friends when they return?.. "we had a great time at XXXX Hotel, the food was great, the beach was fantastic but apparently the local town was so dangerous we weren't allowed to go in there unaccompanied". Absolutely pathetic and extremely shortsighted!!! Vic.

Kathy, Your Photos are GREAT! While I know most of the credit goes to the person taking the photos .I would like to know what camera you used and what type of a file you put on the web site.WE will be in Huatulco the second week of March and your Photos made me want to go sooner. Thanks, Bill

Hi Bill... I have actually sent you the whole selection of photos, which are stored on another website - Ofoto.com in the event that you wanted to see more. I am glad you enjoyed them... I usually spend far too much time snapping photos, but it sure gets me out of the hotel room and away from baking at the beach for hours sipping on fruity drinks! I have a Canon Powershot S10 digital camera... ancient by today's standards, but I love it... small enough to take on vacation with a good zoom for the camera size. I took those photos at the lowest resolution, so I can print them up to 4x6. Having an Epson photo printer at home, I only take digital when I vacation... bringing 3 spare batteries along with the charger, which came in really handy on the boat trip!! Digital photography allows you the freedom to snap anything, who cares if it doesn't work out, delete and try again!! Hope you enjoy the photos - wade yourself thru the 590....!!!! haha

Stinging thingies!! Our group of 6 all got stung with stinging thingies and I doubt that they were jelly fish... especially since the sting went away VERY quickly, and left barely a mark (except on my hubby who ended up with a welt). Could someone explain what we might have encountered?? We were in a bay and for the life of me I can't remember the name of it!!

Bravo!!!!! Well put! We just came back from 7 days at the Barcelo and loved every second of it.....I really had to rack my brain to find something to complain about...and this is what I came up with.....I wasn't crazy about the temperature of the milk ( in the morning ) and I wasn't crazy about some of the tourists and their attitudes. Huatulco is a paradise...and the people ( staff ) at the Barcello were fantastic....unfortunately, some people are not brought up very well and decided that because they were staying in an all inclusive hotel, they didn't have to tip or treat our hosts with any respect. Anyone who knows how to behave or travel should know better than to treat people from another country any differently than they would here...shame on you!!!!!! Meanwhile, as for the food...I was pleasantly surprised. They had a variety of different dishes ( especially made for the complainers )....so that everyone had a choice...and most everything was very good! We might not all have the same tastes...but I am sure there is always something for everyone. At the least, the salads and fruits were always fresh as was the wide variety of breads and cheeses. If you don't like the food, make yourself a cheese sandwich! Last but not least, the various tours they have to offer are great and worth the effort...especially the 7 Bay tour! Try finding something that fantastic here for $30.00 US. Bus ride to and from the hotel, a large catamaran, hours of being on the ocean..seeing dolphins and possibly more and then stopping at 2 different beaches for snorkeling....it was just wonderful! Oh...and for those who like even more perks...all the beer, rum or gin you can drink on board for free! Anyone wanting more info and positive comments..feel free to contact me at dylannescott@aol.com and I'd be happy to tell you about the best resort I've ever been to.

Hi! We just got back from Huatulco and stayed at the all inclusive Barcelo resort! It was fabulous and well worth the cost! First of all, as mentioned, it's all inclusive...food, all day and almost anything you can think of....booze....almost everything imaginable....and many of the water sports and activities. It's both a couples and family resort and has something for everyone. The kids are well received and have various activities they can do as well as a beautiful little park which is in the shade. The pools have various levels and are perfectly safe for small children. As for things to do in Huatulco...let your imagination go and they'll find it for you! The people there ( at the hotel ) will bend over backwards to make you happy. There are many things you can do at very inexpensive costs....my biggest suggestion is the 7 Bay tour....but, as mentioned, there is everything from fishing, snorkling, horse back riding, ATV's, coffee plantation tours etc...check out the web sites... Have fun!

Hi! Anyone interested, we just got back from one of the best weeks of my life! My husband and I finally went on our delayed honeymoon and lucked out! We found this resort through exitnow.com and are very happy we did! Go to their website...and then picture it as being 25 times more than what you can see. It was beautiful...the staff was wonderful and we were treated like gold! The food was surprisingly very, very good and everything and anything was available...if you didn't see it, you could ask for it and they would go out of their way to accomodate you. The beaches are fantastic and the surrounding mountains make you feel like you are in an untouched paradise.....I hope they keep it that way!

With regards to the "AI bashing"- I've just got to add this. We went to Huatulco through Apple this year, but didn't do any of the sponsored tours. When we had to pull out our travel info to reach our rep, I saw that the brochure offered shopping excursions into La Crucecita and an "excursion" to La Entrega. I literally laughed out loud when I saw this, assuming anyone would know that a trip to town or the beach would NOT require a tour guide! But it isn't funny to think that a hotel employee would mislead tourists about the safety of the area just to make a quick buck! As Charlie pointed out, that's taking the whole "free enterprise" thing a step too far. And as Victor pointed out, that's extremely pathetic AND shortsighted! This individual is harming his or her friends and neighbors, and future tourism in the area. One of the greatest things about travelling in Mexico (and Huatulco in particular) is the fact that you CAN leave the resort are and explore on your own without fear. That's one reason I would choose Mexico over Jamaica any day. Crime is practically non existent! And that is especially true in Huatulco! I can't imagine where else I would feel safer, I really can't. It bothers me to think that some of the people in the Tangalunda resorts actually don't feel safe to go into town on their own, and there are locals who are capitalizing on that. I'll just add one more thing, kind of a funny story about needing a "tour guide" to shop.... Our last day, we still had a few more things to buy in town and not a lot of time. We caught a taxi outside our hotel and asked him to take us into LaCrucecita, assuming he'd just drop us off somewhere on the zocalo, we'd power shop for about an hour and get back to the hotel to pack. Well, this driver, Gus, was something of an entrepreneur I guess, and he asked us if we were shopping and what we were looking for. He took us to a jewelry store, (a pretty good one I had overlooked before, actually) and waited for us, and then I told him I wanted a molinillo. He said he knew just the place, took us there, but no they didn't have it, so he took us to 2 other places and actually bought it for me. (20 pesos- I think I paid quite a bit more for something very similar last year) Then he took us to another store because my sister wanted a couple of those painted wood figures (albrijas??) and walked my friend to another jewelry store so she could finish her shopping too. So, we unexpectedly ended up with our own personal shopping assistant! Did we need him? No, of course not! But, did he help? Absolutely! Both of us finished our souvenir shopping with plenty of time to spare, and while I felt comfortable enough with my Spanish (combined with making that rubbing motion with my hands) to look for a molinillo, watching him look for it was just as fun it its own way! Well, we had no > ROBERT, You lucked out! I'm from Boston and I went to Huatulco 2 years ago. I went with a friend but I plan to go next year with my 11 year old daughter because it's more than a great place for kids. First, I got tickets to Mexico City for 450. I was going to just stay there but then at the last minute, decided i wanted to be somewhere really warm and NOT Acapulco or Puerto Vallarta. SO I found Huatulco on the internet and got round trip tickets from DF. I stayed at friends house on each leg of the trip for the night but you can probably get there in one day. It's a very short plane ride from Mexico City. GETTING THERE: Anyways, it cost me round trip $630.00 because I bought the ticket to Mexico City way in advance. I found a good travel agency that is getting me to Italy in July for just under 1,000 dollars. It's out of Texas: The number is: 800-278-9695 and ask for Lydia. Tell her I referred you. She got me the best price and I have researched and kept apprised of prices since September. (I'm going to learn Italian in southern Tuscany w/o KIDS!!!yipee.. a single American woman on the loose in with all those Italians. Yikes!) TO DO: Tons to do at very reasonable prices. Much of the pricing is based on a Canadian clientele so we make out pretty good! No one is trying to rip you off. The beaches are not silky sand but pristine and not developed (over or under) I'm not a sit-on the-beach kinda gal either and I hate being a tourist. Although I'm fluent in Spanish, you should be able to get by on English and always try out your Spanish ... they like it when make the effort. 1) KID ACTIVITY: Snorkeling at La Entrega Beach. Read some of the > Ciao amici, I'm glad to read more positive and informative postings. Thanks to all who have changed the tenor of the conversation here. It's really fun.. but we still do need the rebels here to keep us all on our toes! I would LOVE to go to Huatulco and escape albeit just for a few days from: the weather, the economy, teenagers, impending war and miserable stocks. As a public school teacher, many colleagues are taking off for February vacation to warm spots and I'm sooo bummed out I'm not one of them! Sherry

Well Vic, I've put in the whole week-end into OT. Now I can afford to go back to HUX for a couple of weeks. Thank God for a place where you can forget the stress of the rat race!! I think you're going to have to start a debating society at Cafe Dublin- just think of all the world problems that could be solved there! Cheers, see you in a few days!! RW

RW, trust and hope you have a wonderful time, I think you will. Regards

Robert. Nothing to add. As you stated, rates may vary from one service provider to another, as well as excursions characteristics. Roberto is right, besides the scuba and snorkeling trips that we offer regularly, I'm leading a snorkeling trip for Signature. About the snorkeling tour for Signature, it's very funny because it's a snorkeling trip by land. Excellent for people unable to surive a boat trip (sea sickness is very unlikely). The tour is sold by Signature reps on the hotels and I just lead the tour. It's four hours long (10 to 14.00) and we visit El Violin Cove and La Entrega beach. I still preffer a rocking' boat ride. I'm not sure about the price but must be around 28.00 US, including gear . Kathy: I guess you got stung on Friday 7th, isn't it? The stinging things that day were jellyfish, no doubt. I got some stungs (I gort surprised because were very painful) and as you say, the pain dissapeared after a few hour leaving tinny red marks (similar to mosquito stungs). I saw the damn animals (I preffer jellyfish better than cats anyway) and they were jellyfish, transparent with la bunch of long tentacles (like > Anne. Nice to hear all your good comments about Huatulco. There are a lot of people (includign me) trying to keep this place as wonderful as you met it. See you soon. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Maura, Maria and Marilyn.... Why don't you name April, May and June? That would be easier and less confussing! I apreciate your greetings very much! Saludos de su amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Here you go, Carlos.... Thanks for remembering this great story! Mike Last week I had a bad day at the office. Before I can tell you what happened to me, I first must bore you with a few technicalities of my job. As you know my office lies at the bottom of the sea. I wear a suit to the office. It's a wetsuit. This time of year the water is quite cool. So what we do to keep warm is this: We have a diesel powered industrial water heater. This $20,000 piece of crap sucks the water out of the sea. It heats it to a delightful temp. It then pumps it down to the diver through a garden hose which is taped to the air hose. Now this sounds like a damn good plan, and I've used it several times with no complaints. What I do, when I get to the bottom and start working, is I take the hose and stuff it down the back of my neck. This floods my whole suit with warm water. It's like working in a jacuzzi. Everything was going well until all of a sudden, my ass started to itch. So, of course, I scratched it. This only made things worse. Within a few seconds my ass started to burn. I pulled the hose out from my back, but the damage was done. In agony I realized what had happened to me. The hot water machine had sucked up a jellyfish and pumped it into my suit. This is even worse than the poison ivy I once had under a cast. Now I had that hose down my back. I don't have any hair on my back, so the jellyfish couldn't get stuck to my back. My ass crack was not as fortunate. When I scratched what I thought was an itch, I was actually grinding the jellyfish into my ass. I informed the dive supervisor of my dilemma over the comms. His instructions were unclear due to the fact that he along with 5 other divers were laughing hysterically. Needless to say I aborted the dive. I was instructed to make 3 agonizing water stops totaling 35 minutes before I could come to the surface. I got to the surface wearing nothing but my brass helmet. My suit and gear were tied to the bell. When I got on board the medic, with tears of laughter running down his face, handed me a tube of cream and told me to shove it up my ass when I get in the chamber. The cream put the fire out, but I couldn't poop for two days because my butthole was swollen shut. I later found out that this could easily have been prevented if the suction hose was placed on the leeward side of the ship. Anyway, the next time you have a bad day at the office, think of me. Think about how much worse your day would be if you were to shove a jellyfish up your ass. I hope you have no bad days at the office. But if you do, I hope that thought will make it a little more tolerable. Take care, and I hope to hear from you soon.

Hi Kathy. There are some more keys to verify their "> Sherry, in which city are you going to be studying Italian?

I can suggest a couple of ways to get to Mazunte. First, my way: hop a bus to San Antonio, past El Crucero. Wait for a camioneta, and ride it to La Ventanilla. Maybe hop off and visit the lagoon, with its resident caiman population; maybe spend a little time on that inCREDible, long, pristine beach. Then catch another camioneta to Mazunte. (A camioneta is rural transport in the back of a small truck, by the way!) If I didn't blow too much time in La Ventanilla, I'd do the museum that afternoon. If I DID blow too much time, I'd wait 'til morning. Either way, I'd have some darned good Italian food at the Italian restaurant and call on some friends. By that time, I'd doubtless have missed the last camionta, so I'd probably walk to San Augustinillo and find a room. Once settled, and through my second or third shower of the day, I'd walk on over to the Roca Blanca area of Zipolite and spend the evening at Bar La Puesta, my preferred Zipolite night spot. I'd also HAVE to go visit Sergio at La Choza, arguably the best restaurant in Zipolite. Back to San Augustinillo to sleep; up in the morning to swim at the incredible bay there, with rocks naturally dividing the calm from the surf area. Then to the museum, if I didn't see it the day before. Then I'd head for Puerto Angel, and maybe a little Atún al Mojo de Ajo at Betos - order it; you will not regret it! And I'd HAVE to stop by Tío Chilos, to see what sort of artwork Eva has on display - and to profess my undying love for Eva or Pati, whichever one is there, and try unsuccessfully to lure them back to Huatulco with me...<that's a JOKE, Pati and Eva> Oh, hell, odds are I'd end up spending a night or two SOMEwhere in Puerto Angel or Estacahuite before I could get back to Huatulco, but that's only because it's SO hard to leave the people and places I love... And then there's the SENSIBLE way to get to the Instituto Nacionál de Tortugas in Mazunte. Go to the Sítio de Taxis nearest your hotel and strike a deal for the round trip and make it all in a day. There are even tours by Suburban that can be arranged. If you've already struck up a relationship with Jesus or Mario Cobos or one of the other great area guides, THEY'll take care of it for you. It can be anything from a great daytrip to an adictive lifestyle.

I can't top that story, no way no how. But I will remember my vinegar and my meat tenderizer when I pack my divebag!

Damn, RW, I just wish my schedule would allow me to get to the debating square at the same time! To argue politics with a real right winger and theology with Vic - that'd be worth a WHOLE lot!

Hey, Sherry, about the time Spring semester is over - late May, early June - Huatulco is at one of its finest seasons and it's BEFORE the "mini-high-season" of mid-July through August. We ALL know that the three best reasons to be a school teacher are June, July, and August - take advantage!

I understand that the beach portion of the film "y tu mama tambien" was filmed at one or more or the huatulco beaches. I'm just curious to know which...do any of you know this? Thanks.

Go down about 40 > John I saw on a post somewhere that the camioneta's weren't running past the Ventanilla road anymore - something about juridiction?? Or do I have it backwards? If its true its too bad because a ride in those little trucks is refreshing after the hot walk out to the road.

I would just like to add the following to my post at the top: the approximate prices for renting pangas are for those leaving from the marina of Santa Cruz, for the pangas you in Tangolunda the prices will be slightly higher. If you just want a panga to drop you of in La Entrega (taxi), from Santa Cruz, the price is $2 or $3 USD at the most! You send it in before Mike, but it remains a great story! [%sig%] Post Edited (02-11-03 10:33)

Thank you Mike for that great story! Next time I have a bad day at the office, I will certainly think of it!! maria

RW, actually on a previous post last year I discussed the introdution of a debating society in Café Dublin.I get a lot of people in who love a good debate or argument and sometimes these are very interesting and usually relevant to Mexico or U.S./Latin American/World relations etc etc. Some of my more regular customers are the language teachers from the University, a couple of them who are English, one night following a great discussion, mentioned it's something we should introduce, maybe once a week. I have a funny feeling though, judging by your name on this board, and my died in the wool European socialist beliefs, that you and I are going to be going at it hammer and thongs from the minute you walk in the door. Looking forward to it! Let me know when you're arriving, so I can wash and press my Ché Guevara shirt :) Vic.

Great post, Todd & Amy! I just wanted to add that the restaurant Maria Sabina closed down and now there is a place called Tostadas where Maria Sabina used to be. We didn't eat there, but it must be pretty good because it was crowded. Los Portales/ The Iguana Bar would be my choice for the best pork tacos (al pastor) at the best price! And the little cafe in Santa Cruz, Cafe Huatulco, (in the center of the park next to the marina) is serving food, and its very good. That would be my first choice for breakfast- great chilaquiles! I'll also second the recommendation for Mision de los Arcos. Clean, safe, air conditioned and right on the zocalo! A great choice for someone who needs a few "creature comforts" but doesn't want to spend a small fortune on a hotel. Thanks again for the post! maria

Without a doubt, that is a bad day at "the office..." although I bet if you ask the jellyfish, he'd say his was worse!!

John, sorry mate, but I really don't know an awful about theology, not enough to hold up my end of an argument anyway. My position is just that everyone should be allowed to worship their own God in their own manner, without prejudice or discrimination. Like Robert DeNiro (alias Satan) said to Mickey Rourke in that great movie "Angel Heart"..."it seems there's just enough religion in the world to make people hate each other, but not enough to make them love". Great statement, and unfortunately very true. I'll be happy to give you an argument on anything else though. How about..how dare Americans invent a ball game where the foot makes contact with the ball for approximately 0.0007% of the game's time, steal our name "football", then invent another word "soccer" and try to stick the rest of the real football playing world with that ugly word. (oh, I feel a barrage coming my way) Or we could simply gang-up on RW.

Actually Victor, I'd argue that to many, many people in this world football (in the non-American sense of the word) IS a religion... and therefore, fits into the category of theology...

I knew John Williams would know what exactly to do. George, I'm taking a 4 week intensive course at "Cultura Italiana (culturaitaliana.it) in Manciano, La Maremma, Tuscany (south). I'm taking my road bike too.' John Williams, Would love to go to Mexico but I'm in Italy for half the summer and weddings/anniversary parties for the other. Life is tough! Sherry

Jen, I can't argue with that! To quote the late, great, Bill Shankly, former manager and head coach of the famous English football team, Liverpool F.C...."there are some people who treat football as a matter of life and death, I don't like that attitude...it's much more serious than that!". (please note, that was Liverpool F.C. F.C behind a team's name stands for football club, it's never S.C.)

agree with everything, Todd/Amy, except the "Don't waste your time in Tangolunda" comment. For those who have never been to Huatulco, that makes it sound like the Tangolunda beaches are, well, a waste, which is very far from the truth. Like all Huatulco beaches, Tangolunda is actually quite beautiful, just not quite so much as the other ones. It would be more accurate to say "Don't limit yourself to Tangolunda..." Tangolunda also has one significant advantage to all the other beaches: there are really no hotels on any other beach, and if you stay at one of the Tangolunda hotels, you don't have to take a taxi (or walk a few blocks) to a beach. Especially with young kids, that is a major, major selling point, since you or the kids can come and go to the beach more easily than from anywhere else in Huatulco. The reason many on this board don't like Tangolunda is the all-inclusive package options, which tend to kill local business. The solution to that: go out to eat, etc. (Some also stereotype the kind of people who'd stay in one of the hotels there, but that isn't fair, since economics drive many of the choices: it's often cheaper to take a package than the airfare alone if you try to do it yourself.).

Correct, if you stay there, don't LIMIT yourself to Tangolunda. We haven't found anything to be a "waste" in Huatulco, bad choice of words. Our advice was intended to provide newcomers with suggestions based on our experiences. No judgements on people who choose the AI option, just a friendly nudge to go out and experience MORE than just that one resort and that one beach. It makes sense for a family to have the convenience of the beach outside of the hotel room but it is also invaluable for children to be able to experience the Mexican culture that is more prevalent outside of the resort area. AND with it being so everything being so economical and safe, it's a good option for families to explore.

Maria, next time you're in La Crucecita, go south on Bugambilla about a block past the zocalo. You'll see and turning chunk of "al Pastor" pork and pineapple and a bar/window where a bunch of locals will be sitting. There are also tables inside, but the fans don't do the job of keeping you cool. Grab one of the stools by the window and order some tacos. Now, there is nowhere near the ambiance of Los Portales/La Iguana, but as far as TASTE is concerned, I think this place must be the best tacos al Pastor in town. But I'd listen to other arguments...

We are interested in an apartment for 2 to 4 weeks for next year for our 3rd visit. We go other places and then our heart brings us back to the beaches of Huatulco. Do we need to book in advance or can we catch a cab from airport and find rooms when we hit town. We are also interested in Puerto Escondito area. Would the smae apply there?

JRB - I believe that the camioneta from San Antonio doesn't go past Mazunte and that the one from Puerto Angel doesn't go past San Augustinillo, so I was planning my route accordingly!

John, I'm neither a consumer nor reliable judge, but from what I hear you are correct, and this guy produces the best tacos in the town.

Thanks for the advice on the tacos. We'll definitely try this place out! We'll be in Huatulco in just 312 short hours (but who's counting!)

We are going to be at the Gala from March 10th to the 13th and I would like to play some tennis, is there anyone interested in getting together for a friendly match? [%sig%]

John, I'll defer to your expertise and experience in this area! Actually, I think I know the place you are talking about, but I had forgotten it. We found it accidently on our first trip 3 years ago, and the tacos were good. That might make the tacos at Los Portales 2nd best, but its probably the best priced restaurant ON the zocalo in LaCrucecita, and the tacos are really good too! My weekend project is to try and make tacos al pastor. The little taqueria by my house is good, but not the same. Wish me luck!!! maria

If anyone were thinking of flying to Huatulco from Montreal, this Friday, the 14th would be a good time to do it! Air Transat is offering flights out of Mirabel for $378 CAD - taxes included. This would leave you a ton of money to spend locally!!!! IF my hubby and I had gone this week coming and done it non all inclusive... we would have had a grand total of $2482 to spend on hotel and food and drinks. Cause add that to the airfare being offered, and that is what we spent to stay at the Gala for a week!!!! OUCH... kick me!

This year I got the recipe for Luis and Alba's Al Pastor from Los Portales and it is the best tasting of all I tasted in Cruciceta this year or any year. It takes time and some good ingredients to make it but is it ever worth it. Promised Luis no one will get the recipe and will honor that.

Great info Todd & Amy. We will also be there 2/28 - 3/6 and will certainly try to get to all the great places you mentioned and a few more, like tipping back a few at Victor's. We are fortunate enough to have relatives who actually live in Huatulco and can't wait to enjoy their beautiful home. I hope our plaths cross and I doubt that I would forget your name.

I can't speak for Huatulco but in Puerto Escondido you probably do not HAVE to reserve but it would not hurt. But if your trip is during the 2 weeks of xmas or the 2 weeks of Easter you DO have to reserve. It is easy to reserve a place because there are a couple of rental brokers that have listings. One is puertoconnection.com. He has a lot of choices and photos and is responsive to your questions by email. The other web site (zicatelaproperties.com) has photos and different places as well. If you find something and want to ask more questions about location etc. post on the Puerto Escondido board. You will get plenty of answers. PB

Vic, Press your Che Guevara shirt ... you'll know it's me when I walk in with my McLenins shirt direct from the mother land! Don't worry Johm W., we'll have the pleasuer of bumping into eachother eventually...HUX isn't that big! RW

Using BelairTravel and flying out of Toronto on February 13th, you would pay $199 Canadian dollars, which is equivalent to abot $130US. When I was younger I had all the time in the world for travelling and no money. Now that I have a little money, I have almost no time for travelling. I need some lucky numbers for our local lottery. Can EVERYONE please give me their lucky number between 1 and 49, and maybe we can all meet in Huatulco next week!!!

Check the Main Menu under Real Estate and email Ideal Properties and Data Habitat. Both advertize rental apartments.

I haven't got a Ché shirt, but I DO have one with Grocho Marx on the front and John Lennon on the back. Will that do?

Do you think it would be better for me to go to Toronto or Montreal from Boston and get a direct flight to Huatulco? It seems to be cheaper that way... I'm going to look into this. Otherwise, I have to go to Mexico City. Hmm. This might be a better deal all around. Sherry

OK John, Marxist/Lennonist will have to do. You can always take the postion that the proletariat can only overthrow the bourgeoisie utilising finely tuned double entendre humour and powerful love anthems.

Keith, Is that recipe just for the marinade or did you also get the recipe for the pineapple salsa?? That stuff just makes the tacos! I have a recipe, not Luis & Alba's, I'll have to pass on the pineapple salsa I think, and I won't be able to roast the pork on a spit. Still, I'm going to give it a shot. If I do OK, I figure they'll end up a cross between the al pastor I can get by my house (very good) and the al pastor I can get in Mexico. (even better!) I have to try, since a) I don't live in Mexico, and b) I'm moving in a few months and that wonderful taqueria won't be so close anymore! By the way, its not fair to tease us with the recipe if you aren't going to share!!! maria

Sherry. I think we have better prices through the charters, it depends on what you would pay for the flight from Boston to Toronto or Montreal. The above prices are sell-offs for this week's departures and generally with taxes will be about $250US. Regular price charter flight alone(I just checked for Feb 20th) is $500US plus about $125 in taxes=$625US, maybe not such a big savings when you add the Boston flight. AI to Gala is about $1075US. It is easier for us here in Canada to go last minute and it saves about $375US off flight price. Barcelo AI for this week is on sell-off at $612US plus taxes, a savings of about $300US. For someone in the states, they would have to wait until last minute to book to Huatulco and then also try to find a cheap flight here. I'm sure it can be done, but you have to be ready to travel at the very last minute.

You could always drive up to Montreal from Boston, I think around 6 hours or so... just pick a day when the snow ain't blowing (grin). We had friends who lived in Michigan, that used to drive up to Toronto to get a flight out as it saved them oodles. I think their drive was around 6 hours or so also. Would certainly be nice to knock off the stop over in Mex. City... Imagine how much money you would have left over, with that cheap fare, to spend on lodgings and food!!!! Ohhhhhh.... to be heading back to Huatulco!!!!!!!!

Thanks everybody. Your information is so valuable, I can't tell you. Canada is a well-kept secret! I don't know if your schools have it, but we get the third week of February for vacation. Which means that this Friday until the following Sunday is vacation. It would be hard to go at the drop of the hat but I could if I know when the hat is going to drop! I'm planning this trip with a friend and her kids; who knows, we may have a gang. I thought of driving...it's a possibility... we have over a year to figure it out! Montreal is closer but I'm keeping apprised of airfares. Ideally, we may even leave from Manchester, NH which is probably even a better deal. Boston's airport is a nightmare and then some. I'll probably start a > What can anyone tell me about the Crown Pacific? Is it comparable to the Gala or the Barcelo. Thanks.

It just stopped being a Magni property; the clientele at that time was majority domestic. It's accross the road from the Tangolunda hotels and is built up the side of a steep hill, giving a great view from the higher building blocks. They have a beach club next to the Barcelo and shuttle you down. It is very steep; in the past, they've used elongated golf carts to get you between your room and the road level. As the Magnihotel, the AI buffets tended to be both better and more "Mexican" than Gala or Barcelo, but we haven't gotten any reviews in since the most recent change in ownership. This started out as a Holiday Inn Crown Plaza but has had the most changes of ownership of any of the Tangolunda hotels - and that's saying a lot! If you go, please review it on your return.

Fir what it's worth, the local Sam's has one of those spits that turns the pork roast in an upright position...

Euripides pants, Imendadez pants. [%sig%] Post Edited (03-01-03 14:32)

We have just returned from Huatulco and met a couple on the beach who were staying at the Crown Pacific. They and a group of others were in the middle of a heated battle to be moved OUT of this hotel and into another (they were trying to get moved to the Gala). They said that one of the restaurants was closed, that the promised water sports (wind surfers, kayaks, etc) were not available, and that altho their room was awesome and the balcony large enough to have a large party on, they felt that the hotel was not what was advertised in the brochure. This information is second hand, from a couple on the beach, so can't confirm it... just telling you what I heard. Personally, if you are anywhere near Montreal or Toronto, you might think about catching a flight and staying in a nice local hotel that has been mentioned on this board... the prices for last minute are incredible right now, and will leave you tons of money to spend on lodging and food! Cheers, Kathy

Hi there, how is the weather in paradise ?

i have read many of the fishing posts on this board and have done some research on the internet as well. i am getting conflicting reports about the fishing during the later part of march or the beginning of april. some reports say this is a slow time of year, others say it is peak season. which are correct. what can i expect to catch fishing "offshore" during that time frame, and is the fishing considered poor/average/peak at that time of year ? second question is concerning bottom fishing. what type of fish can i catch if i want to bottom fish ? are there some larger fish on the offshore drops offs that i could bottom fish for ? shark fishing, is it possible to catch mako sharks in the area ? if so what size are they and will the panga boats take me for that type of fishing ? thank you for your help with my questions.

Go to the Main Menu; go to Weather:Oaxaca; go to the bottom of the page; click "Weather Underground Puerto Angel" link. That's the closest weather station to Huatulco, only about 30 miles as the fish eagle flies. [%sig%] Post Edited (02-13-03 14:59)

Sorry Maria, Luis watches this website also and a promise is a promise. Maybe later after my next trip he will let me share it via email but not on this public site. Keith

And if you want to spend your savings on luxury, NOTHING compares to the villa and homes available...

At this time I can't tell you much more than you can read on the site. However, we head down tomorrow and so you can expect the latest fishing report on Feb 24. I have heard tuna and dorado. I know that Marlin hit Zihuat/Ixtapa to the north in March and April. With El Nino and the recent high variance of weather almost anything goes. I have heard of Sails of of San Diego! Sails have been good in January in Zihuat. I will ask about fishing in March, April, May. Tight Lines, Will and Kim

Thx for the report! Will be there in 28 hours!!!!

Keith, I would NEVER suggest that you post his secret recipe on this site, or break your pormise to him, honest! I'm perfectly content with experimenting in the kitchen for now! maria

Had a great day fishing wednesday 12 feb. out of puerto escondido Two sailfish 8 to 9 feet long and Four dorado all over 4 ft long Went out at seven and back about one Saw a lot of dolphin and one whale.

I am taking my 4 grandchildren to the Barcello this June. Do you know if many kids - ages 14 - 17 - stay there? Also, how old do you need to be to rent motor scooters? And if the answer is +18, are there ever any exceptions?

Hello, Just wanted to thank all the contributers for their posts, they have been very help full with my decision to visit Huatulco. I spent 5 hours the other night reviewing the year 2002 postings, wow there are a lot there ! If there are any other members with a intimate knowledge of the local fishery please contact me, I would really appreciate the help. Thank you I am also trying to find out about BOTTOM FISHING in the area, can this be done at the offshore drops offs ? is it a productive fishery ? ROBALO- SNOOK- when is the season for this species and what size are they ? Thank you Jack [%sig%] Post Edited (03-13-03 14:55)

I have to come to Victor's defense here. I have visited Huatulco on two seperate occasions, and have had nothing but a fantastic experience during my many visits to Cafe Dublin. Victor and Alejandra are nothing but friendly and welcoming. Anyone reading this, please don't get the impression that the Cafe Dublin is some dive that allows this type of behavior. Quite the opposite - the atmosphere couldn't be more welcoming, and although I didn't get a chance to try one of Victor's burgers, I hear they are exceptional. As luck <?> would have it, I had the misfortune of meeting Chicago Frank on the very evening in question. You would think getting tossed out of a bar would send a message, but no. He showed up apparently right after getting tossed from Victor's to harrass and annoy patrons of the bar Vishua, causing a few women in particular to leave. Hey, I'm no saint when it comes to having a few too many, but if you're making bars lose customers, maybe you should consider calling it a night. Oh, and at the risk of getting harrassed in EMail myself, (not that he could possibly remember meeting me or anything else from his visit to Vishua), let me say that there's only one "premadonna" making a fool of himself in this > We are going to Huatulco march 3rd. My husband & I haven't spoken Spanish in about 15 years - and our friends have never spoken Spanish. Are we going to have problems? We aren't staying at a resort - we rented a small house. So I am a little worried about finding everything we need. Also - we have made a reservation for a car - we are there for 10 days - do we really need one? Thanks

Taxis are inexpensive and can get you wherever you need to go, but if you want a car, that's fine too. Unlike other resort areas in Mexico, in Huatulco everyone DOESN'T speak English, but that doesn't mean you will have any problems. The people there are really nice and helpful and will make every effort to communicate. Still, I would recommend brushing up with a set of Berltiz tapes or something. Just play it in your car while you are on you way to work or wherever. I think you'll find that helpful, especially since you studied Spanish in the past. A lot will come back just by listening and speaking. I found the tiny bit of Spanish that I speak to be very helpful, and also the fact that I make the effort is appreciated. Have a great time! maria

The bottom fishing for red snapper has been great lately The yellow fin tuna was great 8 days ago but seems to have shut off now but this is the season for tuna so any day they should be back Wayne

Wayne, Thank you for the report. What size are the snappers being caught ? Do you know how they fish for them, with bait or jigs ? Thanks the information is a great help. Jack

I have seen the fish up to 30# they usually hand line using pieces of shrimp for bait when you get here call 5810324 and if our schudles match I can take you ot in my boat (for free of course) I am used to fresh water fishing and would love to pick you brain for salt water knowledge Wayne Villa Sol y Mar

My wife and I live here during the winter month's and we speak very little spanish but have many friends who do if you need any help please call 5810324 and we will do all we can to help Wayne Overby Villa Sol y Mar

Fish Head, Chicago Frank is in Huatulco at the moment, and judging from the tranquility on this board it appears he doesn't use Internet Cafés while he's here. So he's not ignoring your request, he's just too busy fishing and having a good time. I do know he was out fishing the other day, using his new G.P.S. thingy, they went about 20 miles out and he showed me photos of some huge fish they caught. I'll probably see him in the bar tonight, and I'll tell him he has a message on here. Vic.

MMMMMM Victor, fish burgers!!!

Great report Maria. Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't usually comment on here but enjoy reading these every once in a while. I am one of the other Marias that was on this trip and I just have to say that I have NEVER felt ripped off at any time in any place in Mexico. John's right, you're only as ripped off as you feel. Now going to some of the bars and restaurants in Chicago is another story...... Maria B.

Well I just got in from shoveling the first 8 inches of snow off the sidewalk and driveway. Before I finshed there was another 1 inch layer. Weatherman reports another 8 inches to 1 foot more of snow for the New York area. Figured I would "warm up" and check the message board. THANK YOU for all the responses. Wayne- THANK YOU for your kind offer. I have been fishing 25+ years, some of it professionally for a living, I would be happy to show you a few tricks. I am asking these questions so I can try and select the right type of tackle and lures to bring down. I plan on bringing a large selection of lures and terminal tackle to experiment with, and I would like to find out what types, sizes and colors are used so I might select some similar items to bring down and tryout. I plan on giving away most of the lures and terminal tackle at the end of my trip to the people who want them or need them. I also want to bring down some extra fishing line and hooks to give away and would like to know what pound test line the guides/fisherman want as well as the model # of the hook they use. Victor- THANK YOU for the response and passing the message along to Frank. Please tell him there is no hurry to respond to me, I dont want to spoil his vacation by making him log online. I am coming down in a month so I can wait till his vacation is over for his response. Glad to hear is catching some large fish, using a GPS I would assume he is trying to mark some bottom structure and is probably bottom fishing. Happy to hear somebody else is experimenting with this. I apprectiate all the help I am getting from this board. Thank you Jack [%sig%] Post Edited (02-17-03 01:19)

Just want to let everyone know that we're giving away samples of the herbal insect repellant again in return for your feedback. See <http://www.tomzap.com/crocodile.html>.

This is directed to Wayne... Hi Wayne, We were in Huatulco in January and stayed at the Gala. I went on your website to take a peek and your place looks amazing. I am trying to figure out where you are in Huatulco, and can't seem to place you. Would you mind sending back a bit of info on your place, where you are in reference to Tangolunda Bay perhaps, and information on meals, etc. In the winter you run your place like a B&B? I assume that people then need to go to either La Crucicita or Santa Cruz for meals? What about drinks, snacks, whatever? Maybe I should go back to your website, eh? haha Also, how far in advance does one need to book, as I tend to be a "book flight at the last minute" type of person. Cheers, Kathy

THANKS

Is the Crown Pacific that bad of a hotel to go to?

It's certainly not what it is in Boston at this moment! We're getting the "warm up" of this big snow storm.. It's coming down fast and furiously. Beautiful. Neverthelss, I sure wish to hell I was in Huatulco or some place with palm trees. I can't take this winter anymore!! Get me outta here!

George, Frank promised to bring in some filets to cook up, so we'll see what happens. Fish Head, I didn't see Frank yet, but I'm sure he'll be glad to visit this board to tell you what they caught, knowing how you fishermen types like to talk fish.

Maria, I was totally wrong to make the comments I did about The Cactus, I've apologized in person to the owner, and am doing so in public here now. As I explained to Antonio, who was very gracious in accepting my apology, my girlfriend caught another bar red handedly ripping her off and I, in true Irish fashion, lost my temper and said some things I shouldn't have, in language I shouldn't have used, for this I truely apologize. The thing is that in my bar I receive a lot of tourists who on a daily basis complain about being overcharged by everyone from taxis to gift shop owners. This is not a problem encountered solely in Huatulco or Mexico, it happens all over the world. Some tourists are more concerned about value for their buck than others, some spend like money's going out of fashion, some try to get 2 dollars worth for every one they spend. I suppose judging from the complaints I hear that I wrongly think all tourists are the latter, and people like myself and John feel an obligation to try to help people get the most value for their money. I had one American lady in the bar the other night asking that I get on here and report a shop that charged her 50% more for an item that her Mexican friend was charged the previous day, I told her that I wouldn't do it, it's none of my business anymore. I had an American guy in the bar yesterday who was so badly ripped off while visiting London, and was threatened by the shop owner with a baseball bat when he complained, that he pursued the matter and eventually got a free flight back to London from Idaho, courtesy of London's prosecution system, to help convict the bad guy and get him a $50,000 fine. It happens worldwide, some people care, some don't. In my opinion, it happens less in Huatulco than in other tourist areas I've lived in around the world. Anyway, I agree, this matter is closed for me also, I really don't care anymore. Victor.

My husband and I just returned from our second trip to the Gala. It is a great resort in a beautiful area of Mexico. We have travelled around a bit but this is truly IT for us. Our only concern this trip was a couple with a pair of small boys we dubbed the kids from Hell. They were really obnoxious kids and I guess that I must really blame the parents. I'm sure the kids weren't like that at birth. I could hardly wait for kids club to open each day BUT it didn't last long enough. There is a kiddy pool and kid area but they seemed to always be in the adult only spaces screaming blue murder. We had conversations with others about going adults only next year but I don't want to give up Huatulco. I love kids I have kids but please leave young poorly kids at home where they belong.

That's a very gracious apology Victor. My friends and I work pretty hard to get to Mexico, (and as cheaply as possible, too) but once down there, we really don't "pinch pennies". We're there to have a good time and treat ourselves. We aren't "Rockerfellers" by any means, but we do have a good time, we've already worked and budgeted for our trip so we spend freely (within said budget), and we tip generously for good service. I'd rather sit down and enjoy a good margarita, than search the zocalo for the cheapest margarita, wouldn't you? I think some tourists come to Mexico expecting everything to be really, really cheap, from drinks to jewelry, and that might have been true a few years back, but not any longer. Unrealistic expectations are part of the problem, and of course, there are always a few people who will do what they can to take advantage of the tourists. And that is too bad, because it just makes it harder for the honest guys to make a living in an already tough environment. Anyway, I do appreciate your looking out for us tourists and pointing out ways we can save or get more for our money. And I look forward to coming back for a cold beer at Cafe Dublin, maybe even a burger, and some conversation! Adios until then! maria

How so very different from our experience at the Gala... I am sure there were children there, actually I know I saw a few running around, and truthfully, most of the younger ones were Mexican, but for the life of me I can't remember them being a pain. I guess it depends on the children & their upbringing. Course, I didn't sit at the pool once either, and couldn't tell you which was the adult pool and which was the children's.... haha Our biggest complaint were all those rowdy 65+ gangs!! haha We had the pleasure to have the Nomads there at the same week as us... try to keep up with some of them, let me tell you, it was a chore!!

We are up to 18 inches of snow right now, weatherman says another 4-8 inches more on the way. I hope you guys are enjoying the weather in Huatulco !!

Vic, I fear that my email is not getting through. We are sending our 2 daughters your way on March 8 for a week. What do you think of the Villablanca for them? I hope all is well Mike & Lil

Sorry, forgot to include both my email address mrkpaint@swbell.net mknight@aetnacoatings.com

Fish Head: Here we are showeling 18 inches of sand at 92° F I know a great spot for snapers (yellow and dog) I see them when I dive, there are lots of them. The local fishermen fish them at night, with just a piece of fish as bait. Do you know that is possible to fish sailfish, marlin and needle fish WITHOUT any hook? Snooks are often catch in the Bocana de Copalita beach, where the river meets the ocean. They are catched from the beach. Enjoy your visit to Huatulco. Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Hi Carlos, arrived home today after 9 fantastic days in Huatulco, contacted Sears, regarding the return of the birthday gift that you would not accept, we left the gift at the Gala, too big to go in the suitcase !!! Thanks also to Tom for posting the birthday wishes, will pass on a trip report soon, Anne & Terry.

Carlos; Want to trade some of your sand for some of my snow ? Snow finally stopped, we have 24 inches total, some of the snow drifts are 6 feet high (2 meters). Looks more like Alaska not New York ! Thank you for the information about the Snook at Bocana de Copalita beach, are they caught during March and April ? What is the average size of the fish ? Snapper fishing do you know why the fisherman fish for them at night ? We can catch them during the day in the US. Glad to hear you know some good spots, what is the average size of the fish you are seeing ? Do you offer fishing trips or only scuba ? Fishing with no hooks for billfish I have done before. We call it a MOP LURE, it is white carpet fiber that we make into a lure that looks like a squid. It catches the bill of the fish and does not let go. Very effective, not many people use it in the US. Do you do it the same way ? [%sig%]

Happy Birthday Carlos

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Hi John, Waiting for you in my place... To laugh together after a nice meal... La connerie et la méchanceté n'ont définitivement aucunes limites. Arriba internet y la libertad... Aun que a veces hay que pagar el precio... Con mucho gusto, Thierry Chef owner.

Hey Guys, Four of us are coming to Huatulco the last week of March for a "serious" fishing trip. We would SINCERELY appreciate any info and catch reports that you can post here on the board. David Garcia has told me that heavy flyrods (12-15 weight) are virtually non-existent among Huatulco captains. Does anyone know of any privately owned rods that we could rent? Jeff

Can anyone tell me if the ocean view rooms are considered the Jr. suite with the hot tub on the terrace or is that a separate room catagory. I'm getting ready to book and I just need to decide which room to go with. Thanks. Lisa

Mike, I sent you a mail the other day, you didn't get it? Jaime, Katie, Alejandra and I are working around the clock on your daughters' stay here. We had a chinwag yesterday on the subject, and all agreed Villa Blanca is the best choice, great hotel and the right distance from beaches, the town etc. If I know the flight details I will pick them up at the airport and take them to the hotel. Keep in touch on the subject. It's soooooo nice to be back on 2 wheels again...you de man! Vic.

While climbing over the snow drifts in Manhatten this morning, I made a quick stop at the liquor store to pick up a gift for a friend. I notice this store had a large selection of Whiskey so I took a quick look out of curiosity. Found about 25 different bottles of Irish Whiskey. One bottle came in a fancy presentation case; Knappogue Castle 1951 1951 Vintage with 36 year old whiskey $ 700 a bottle !!!!!! They had some other expensive bottles as well Midleton 26 year old $ 550 Midleton Very Rare $ 125 Jameson Limited Edition $ 110 Most of the other brands were in the $30-70 range [%sig%]

Fish Head, that must be some "fancy presentation case"!! Unfortunately I run a bar in Huatulco Mexico, not a shopping mall in L.A., so I'll have to pass on all those whiskies, wee bit too pricey for my meagre means. I am building a good colection though of Irish whiskies, and thanks to good people like yourself I've managed a selection of 7 at the moment. So, if you're coming soon I'd be happy to buy a bottle of regular priced whiskey from you in the $20-$30 range. At this time I'm in search of a great one called "Tyrconnell". Thanks for the info. Vic.

I enjoy frozen drinks and am wondering, is it safe to drink daiquiris & coladas, or might the crushed ice make me sick? If so, I'll stick to cervesa out of the bottle. I've been to Mexico twice and got "tourista" both times (not in Huatulco) so I'd like to avoid getting sick if possible. I've been told to stay away from tap water and fruits and veggies without skin that might be exposed to tap water. Someone also advised me to avoid eating chicken -- I'd never heard that before. Really? I don't mean to be paranoid, just want to ensure my trip is spent wandering around the shops and lounging on the bays, not in el bano. Of course, in the event "Montezuma's Revenge" does strike, there's always the trusted bottle of Pepto, right?!

Hello Everyone This is David Garcia and I wanted you to know that I am leaving for Huatulco tomorrow, 2-19. The boat should be in the water on, 2-20, and fishing the same day. I can be reached at my email address or local phone no. ( 587-1788). I'll post a fishing report on this comment asap. David

The most common cause of "touista" is simple over-indulgence in rich food and drink. But there can be a real problem. For the visitor, don't drink tap water, even when brushing your teeth. While Huatulco may well have the cleanest tap water in all of Mexico, the systemic practice of occasional shutdowns - the reason all the houses have "tinacas" on the roof - could potentially cause contamination. Bottled water is ubiquitous, available everywhere and cheap. The ice in most Mexican towns is made in the same plant that does the "R O" filtering of the bottled water, so any worries about contaminated ice are from the Mexico of the past and certainly not the Huatulco of the present. Veggies are normally rinsed with a germicidal solution available in all the drug stores and supermarkets - just a few drops in the rinse water does the trick. Peel your fruit. Stay away from the street vendors where the same person that prepares the food handles the money. Money is a PRIME contaminator. Most vendors separate the tasks. But YOU will be handling money frequently. So wash your hands berfore you eat, after you eat, and every other chance you get. Hydrate frequently - water, not beer or other alcoholic drinks. And take it easy. The local doctors are great; the local pharmacists even better - if you DO end up with a problem.

FINALLY, David! How's the ribs? By the way, we've discussed this some on the board on old posts that have gone away, but a VERY few folks have brought <expendable> flyfishing gear to Huatulco and have had an AMAZING time popping a few into the rocks. Flyfishing on the reefs is a fairly new sport and quite the hot thing in some parts of the world...

Hey, Beach Nut, think about one of the Villas or private homes up in Residential Conejos for next year. The owners carefully avoid just the situation you experienced; all have pools with PLENTY of shade and seats; you can set up meals and snacks to YOUR specs; and you have access to Playa Tejoncita, an almost private beach and cove.

Didn't used to be. But I haven't heard any really good reports since our friend and correspondent Claudia from Monterrey was down last summer, when it was still a Magni property. If anyone has had a recent GOOD experience, won't you please post? Used to be, it had the best buffets of the AI's - easy to understand since they catered to a domestic clientele. Now I hear the Castillo has the best AI buffet...

Victor, I was surprised by the prices as well, never knew Irish Whiskey could be so expensive. I figured you would enjoy the information on those pricey Whiskies. I stopped back at the store during lunch, here are some of the other brands/prices they sell : Knockeen Hills Poteen $ 22 Jameson Gold $ 77 Bushmills $ 30 Bushmills Malt $ 38 (10 year old) Bushmills Malt $ 46 (10 year old) 1 liter size Bushmills Malt $ 82 (16 year old) Kilbeggan $ 28 Black Bush $ 38 John Power & Son $ 26 ( 1 liter) Knappogue Castle 1990 $ 42 Knappogue Castle 1993 $ 46 Tullamore Dew $ 25 Tullamore Dew $ 46 (12 year old) Celtic Crossing $ 23 Jameson 1780 $38 (12 year old) Connemara $ 44 Red Breast $ 55 ( 12 year old) Jameson Limited Edition $ 110 ( 15 year old) Brennan's $ 28 Tyrconnell $ 29 Erin Go Bragh $ 31 Clontarf $ 29 Midleton Very Rare 2001 $ 125 Tullamore Dew Crock $ 42 Let me know which ones you want, I will bring them for you. I have extra room in the luggage and it wont be a problem to bring you several bottles if you want. [%sig%] Post Edited (02-18-03 13:43)

As John said, over-indulgence is the main reason people get sick. Think about it. You are stressed because that is what happens when you go to the airport and get on a plane. You have been in the cold north all winter and then you get on a bacteria circulating plane for more than a few hours.You have had a Bloody Mary or two to celebrate the arrival of a much needed warm (hot) vacation in the tropics. The plane lands, you get off and are slammed in the face with a blast of hot humid air and then you stress about getting your bags and how you are going to get to your hotel so you grab a cold beer at the airport to try to cool the sweat dripping down your cheeks. Both sets of cheeks. So you get to the hotel and suck down both the mini beers in the refrigerator in the room because checking in was....stressful. Ok, now get to the pool and have that frozen mango, banana, pineapple Daiquiri with an extra shot of rum you have been waiting for since you made reservations 6 months ago. In fact have two...and another beer because the Daiquiris were not quenching your thirst and you don't want to get dehydrated and boy is it hot. Time to hit the all you can eat (remember to try to eat it all too) because it is the easiest way to go after such a long day. It might take a day or two but if you think about it, is it any wonder why some people spend an excess amount of time in el baño. I suggest for the first day (at least) take it easy and relax and get somewhat acclimated. Figure out what you are going to do in the next day or two and slowly jump in. Also I have been told that the best thing you can do (not counting washing your hands as often as you can) is don't drink any alcohol on the plane. Have fun. Just start slow. PB [%sig%] Post Edited (02-18-03 13:46)

There are about 6 or so rooms with hot tubs... I do not believe these are called the Club Gala rooms as those are the rooms on the upper floors (better views). Personally, unless you are hankering for a hot tub, I would book a standard room and then send a fax to the Gala requesting the location you would like ie... quiet side, close to ocean, good view, what floor, etc. Whatever you are looking for in a room... Hope this helps, Kathy

John Williams- what fish/size did you catch while flyfishing the rocks ? Any other fishing information you could provide for the area would be very helpful, I plan on arriving the end of March and I am trying to determine what fish will be available to target. Flyfishing- I have been flyfishing in Saltwater for about 10 years, I don't do it all the time, only when the proper conditions exsist and I have the desire to fish that way. Past couple of years I have not really flyfished much locally. I am not surprised there is no flyfishing equipment in Huatulco, quality gear is very expensive, a 8/9 weight setup can cost $1000+ Larger 13 to 15 weight setups are $ 1500 + Plus all the associated gear such as flyline, flies, leaders are all expensive compared to other fishing tackle, and even more expensive when you get into the heavier line classes. A single fly for billfish can cost $20-35, and is usually ruined after catching a single fish on it. Of course there are flyfishing outfits to purchase in the $100-200 range that are acceptable to use, just not of the same quality as the more expensive setups. These outfits are usually 9 weight or less, you will not find cheap heavyweight flyfishing gear, it is a specialized field and the prices reflect this. Jeff Warren- I have flyfished for sailfish in several locations, it is a very specialized fishery. More important than the gear, is the boat and captain. It is a TEAM SPORT, you need experienced captain and mate to be successful at flyfishing for billfish. It usually involves teasing the fish to the boat with hook less lures or hook less strip baits. When the sailfish comes into the pattern, you have to allow it a couple of hits on the bait/lures to get it excited. Then the mate has the pull the bait/lure away from the fish, at the same time the captain takes the boat out of gear, and you cast the fly at the fish. If properly done, a hookup is almost guaranteed. To do this properly , you usually need outriggers on the boat to troll a good spread of teasers. If you are right handed you will be casting from the PORT side of the boat, you do not deploy the outrigger on that side , nor do you troll any teasers from the rod holders on that side as well. You keep it clear so you can cast without tangling. The teasers are worked on the Starboard side of the boat, and when a fish comes into the spread, you cast from the port side across to the starboard side to where the teaser was just pulled from the water by the mate. I am not sure this could be accomplished from a panga without outriggers. You could probably only pull 1 or 2 teasers, might not be enough to attract the sails with consistency. It is worth a try I guess. When you hook up it is quite a wild ride !!! Jack

Sorry for the late response, hope it's still not too late. The quoted rate was $245 US/ week. The cost on my card $636 CAD. You do the math. It was for a Nissan Tsuru (read Sentra).

PB, you are really being a little too cavalier, too dismissive of the problem. The problem is real. My teenage son and I both got very sick last year in Huatulco after about 4-5 days there. (No, we weren't drinking, and it wasn't from over-indulgence or dehydration.Nor were we careless about street vendors. All our meals were in well-known restaurants, except for one little taqueria that didn't cause any problems.) It was really pretty awful for one full day, a little residual stomach pain the next, but a pharmacy in town was very responsive. Would I hesitate to go back to Huatulco? Of course not. I'm on this board a year later, right? Would I be more cautious about where to eat? No. I think you just roll the dice and hope you aren't exposed to something fluky that you had little control over.

Hi Kathy thanks for asking about the Villa Sol y Mar We are located in residential Conjoes which is about a mile and half past the Gala We have mini fridges in all the rooms and plenty of bottled water for our guests and of course breakfast. as far as kitchen privliages if you rent the whole house the kitchen can be made available other wise it is to hard for us to contral Of course you can always take your chances with last minute bookings but the only way I can guarantee a room is with advance bookings hope to hear from you soon' Wayne

Having spent 9 months working in South America a while back, I did a little research on the subject and read that many times the reason why travelers get sick is due to airborne microbes that can be the cause of illness. It is not that the microbes are nasty in Mexico, or any other country where you tend to feel ill, but rather that they are different from the ones you are exposed to on a daily basis at home. Interesting that we can often travel abroad tho, and not become ill, however the trade between Europe and America is much more frequent, so they might have mixed, and immunity might have developed. While I was in South America I ate EVERYTHING, drank anything (except tap water), ate at road side stands, you name it, it went in my mouth... and never once got sick. So, combine all that with the avobe reasons... and you have a possible explanation of why we might feel ill.

Hi Vic, Thanks for the info, I guess Mike's email at home isn't working. We appreciate all the help and will email you with the exact info for the girls visit when Mike gets home. The girls are very excited to meet all of you. He says he wishes he was on two wheel also instead of two feet of snow. You can send any information to Mike at mknight@aetnacoatings.com, or me at lknght@hotmail.com. Lily & Mike

My husband and I are going to the Gala on March 2nd anyone else going at that time. We are really looking forward to the hot sun and finally getting to see this beautiful place. We definitely want to do a snorkeling tour and we have to go and have a (cold) beer at Victor's place. I always try and bring down things from home to give to the family's when I'm away. What kind of stuff is in great demand for the kids of Huatulco (school supplies, toys, candy) and any suggestions on how I would get it to them. Thanks Lisa

Do you have to make reservations if you want to eat at the A La Carte restaurants at the Gala. If so is it best to book them right away when we get there or can you book them the day you choose to go. Lisa

Well, thank you again Fish Head. Terry: I have reconsidered your gift. Is there any way to keep her healty and alive without food? It's a shame to loose such great gift. If Sear don't refund you, I copuld try to sell her in the local market. Thanks for everything and keep in touch. Huges and kisses for Anne (don't get jelous, ehh!) Hope to se you soon. PS. Thanks for the whale. My wife said it's very nice, but when I told her about the gift I refused, she got angry. She said: Why didn't bring her home? She could be helping with the house cleaning! Saludos de tu amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

Normally it's better to reserve the day before. I don't think Gala is going to be crowded. Saludos de tu amigo Charlie. [%sig%]

One more reason. The water you eventually swallow in the swimming pool or the ocean. Little kids, for an unknown reason, enjoy swalloing pool's water. Saludos de su amigo. Charlie. [%sig%]

See Carlos Ramos at his dive shop in the Barcello next door, he will get your gifts to the right people, enjoy your stay.

I think you have to book the same day, although you can phone the public relations desk from your room.

Vuarnet sunglasses wanted, a.s.a.p., will pay cash, contact Sergio, beach vendor, usually playing his harmonica, (any vendor will point him out) most days on the beach at the Gala, Barcello.

Oh, and one more thing: stay away from food on the AI buffets that look like repackaged something from YESTERDAY's buffet. And pity the employees in the employee dining room that get it yet another day later.

Jack, I've watched more than participated in the flyfishing - I do most of my fishing underwater. But I've seen some nice 3-5 pound eating fish brought in. I've also seen the gear brought back in itty bitty pieces from hooking something 'way too big. Cheaper gear is the way to go as the equipment often makes a one-way trip. By the way, do you have Academy Spoting Goods stores in your area? Last one I was in had some heavier gear at good prices - including Penn Senators. Of course, that's a long way from being fly gear, but the price was definitely good enough to make bargaining for panga hours a worthwhile proposition...

I was fishing in the cove below Villas coral from the rocks this January. I had a medium weight Spinning 0utfit with 12 lb test line. I was casting spoons around the rocks and picked up a few small fish that looked like bass. The Pelacans look for activity on top of the water. Schools of bait fish get driven into the rocks by pedators. I could just cast into an area of activity and hooked something big. I had him on in the rocks for 3 or 4 min. Almost got him close enough for a look but he took a big run and wore the line off a rock. If you want to fish from shore bring a casting outfit that you can get some distance with. Little Cleos about 3/4 oz. or something similar. Try the piers or rocks you can get to. Look for the birds. Greg

Joe Thanks, its not too late. As for using the local transport here's the deal. We're taking a road trip from Puerto Escondido down the Oaxacan coast , swingin

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