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So, here's how it works:if you're fortunate enough to have been in Zipolite, San Augustinillo, Mazunte, or other points in this area, write up your trip. Tell us where you stayed, where you ate, the things that you did, and what your impressions were. Or if you're really the envy of all of us by fact of living there, tell us what you think are the "do not miss"-es of the area. If you're planning a trip down, ask questions. Someone will answer. And lets vicariously enjoy paradise.

I was in Zipolite in February 2001 just before the big fire, with my husband and 2 other male friends. Our friend had been to Zipolite before and recommended it to us. Our idea was to do _nothing_ for a week. We had no plans. I highly recommend the "flow" method of traveling.

We flew into Mexico City and took a grueling 17 hour overnight bus trip the next evening (after checking out Teotihuacan) via Oaxaca, Salina Cruz, Huatulco and finally(!) to Pochutla in the morning. Shared a taxi to "downtown" Zipolite where we stashed our bags at the restaurant next to Posada Brisas Marina, had a snack, and walked up and down the beach for a while trying to find the best spot to stay. We ended up back where we started at PBM.

Carl and I took an upstairs room ($18 at the time) which suited us perfectly: balcony with hammock, ceiling fan, private bathroom with hot water (but you hardly need it), and a gorgeous view of the ocean right outside our window. Cool breezes kept us comfortable and mosquito-free. Our friends took one of the courtyard cabanas with thatched roof, cement floor and sleeping loft, for $8. (These may not be there now because of the fire, I don't know.)

[Unless it is Christmas or Easter, I think reservations are useless. Just go and look around, you can check out the entire place on foot in about an hour. Or take any room for the first night, then move the next day if you find one that suits you better. Take half the clothes and twice the money you think you need. Don't take anything you can't afford to lose. Pay attention.]

Each morning we would wander out to the palapa and string up our hammocks for another serious day of loafing. Even though I was obviously with my husband, I was propositioned once or twice, but I declined with no bad feelings either way. Rite of passage? Whatever. I took it in stride and felt pretty safe with my husband and 2 male traveling companions.

We got drinking water from the tienda across the road, I remember. We paid a small deposit on the bottle and got 3 (?) gallons at a time.We never had a bad meal in Zipolite. The fresh fish is the best! Margaritas (and drinks in general) were relatively expensive, I remember - $4 for a HUGE margarita and $1 for bottle beer, if I recall. Remember this was 2 years ago.

We did our banking in Pochutla - best to go early in the morning before it gets too hot. Walk out to the main road to catch a colectivo or camioneta - cheaper than a taxi. (Get plenty of small change if you can. It's in short supply at the beach.)

One day we got a group together and took a boat ride from Puerto Angel. We saw sea turtles & sea snakes, but no dolphins or whales. We did some snorkeling (mask and fins provided by the trip operator) at a little bay and had a snack at a little place on the beach in this pretty cove. That was about the extent of our "planned" activites while we were there. The rest of the time we lay in our hammocks (which you can buy from vendors who stroll the beach), swam in the warm ocean, ate delicious food, danced at the discos if we had the energy, or otherwise just walked the moonlit beach and talked with people we met at the restaurants. It was, for me, the perfect vacation.

What I found at Zipolite: mostly young people from Europe, Canada, South America, not too many tourists from the US, backpackers, former hippies, friendly locals, a laid-back, tolerant atmosphere (sex, nudity, marijuana if you want it, are all there), and a blessed absence of consumerist disneyland-style tourist culture. No phones or televisions in the rooms, no fitness center, no mall, no cell phones.

There are mosquitos & no-see-ums, dogs humping on the beach, people doing the same thing only a little more discreetly, great cheap places to stay, great food, low-key nightlife, good conversation, good food, the most inviting ocean to swim in, a beautiful sandy beach where you can still collect shells...in short, a litte slice of paradise. Don't tell your friends. Just go, you'll either love it or hate it. If you hate it you can be in Huatulco or Puerto Escondido in a couple of hours. If you love it you may have a hard time leaving, and an even harder time staying away once you do leave. It gets inside you.

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Its so...empty...here now! Hey, did anyone get the address of the new Shambhala website before the old board went under? Daniel, you out there?

Zipolite on the 28th!! Wooohooo!!

The URL is for Shambala is http://shambhalavision.tripod.com/ [%sig%]

Well put, Cathie! But before folks start freaking out, those were snake eels, not sea snakes. There are no sea snakes in the eastern Pacific.

Is the email for Paraiso del Pescador in San Agustinillo working? I tried it a week ago and haven't gotten a response.

It's nice to see the new comments section in Spanish as well as English!

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Thanks for the clarification, John. Chalk it up to my muy poquito command of Spanish. It sort of freaked me out, whatever it was! The guide who pointed it out said it was deadly poisonous, but maybe he was just trying to inject a little excitement into our trip.

Really good deals right now.... Check Alaska Airlines, under promotions...To and from Mex...really good deals from Seattle, Phoenix, L.A. going to P.V, Ixtpa, Los Cabos...under $99- $194(one way...)

You have to book before Jan 30th... They don't get you all the way to Zip...but at least your on your way!!! Now if I could just fit in someone suitcase...ha! ha! :)

Wow, those *are* great fares, Tina. Kinda tricky though in that the quoted prices are half the roundtrip fare (can't book one way) and minus taxes. Heres the link...

http://www.alaskaair.com/www2/Promo/FarePromos/PostHolidayMX.asp

For a huge array of amazing airfares, head over to sidestep.com and install their little fare search engine (you can skip the registration) It skims the best fares off of 140 sites (including those Alaska Air specials) This thing absolutely rocks! Sidestep found me a ticket on United, Ohio to Mexico City for $225 ($300 even with taxes). Prices quoted on sidestep are all taxes included. Im a bit of a net airfare junky and Ive never seen anyone match these prices. I can spend HOURS playing with this thing.

See y'all down on the beach around the 1st week of Feb!!

I got a ticket on Mexicana from Sac, CA to Mexico City for $414 round trip (taxes included) using Yahoo! travel (aka Travelocity). Seemed reasonably cheap to me.

This will get me there in time to catch the 6:45 pm Cristobal Colon bus to Pochutla via Oaxaca the same afternoon (one way US$45). I'll arrive on the beach the next morning and be swaying in my hammock with a cerveza beside me the next afternoon. See you there! (2nd week of February)

Hello all, I am looking for info about lodging in the Zipolite-San Agnostinillo-Mazunte area. I would like to rent a room or house for 3 to 4 weeks in March. Any information on this and pricing would be appreciated. Thanks.

Marty

To answer your question Sean, yes I'm still around. But in Kansas right now getting ready for the drive to San Miguel de allende, Zihuatenejo and finally Zipolite to vistit my sister Gloria of Shambhala. Hope to see you there!

Daniel de Shambhala [%sig%]

Greetings John and hola to everyone else interested in and around the area of Zipolite. I've been going to Zipolite for almost 20 years and helped build Shambhala with my sister Gloria. Shambhala is in the process of rebirth and transformation see our website: http://shambhalavision.tripod.com/ I'm the public relations director for Gloria, but also the shambhala tourist guide. I can take you to some beautiful places like our retreat in the foothills of Oaxaca which fronts the river of Chacalapa, or to my favorite hidden beach with three caves just a short hike behind out land. There are trails to San Augustanio that go along the crest of the coast line with fabulous little coves. If you would like to day trip with me to some of those hidden places come by Shambhala to see me the first week in February, I should be there doing Thai Massage.

Namaste, Daniel [%sig%]

Tell me about San Miguel de allende. I have many artist friends that go there and just love the place. They stay all winter. It is in the mountains, correct? I've been to Zihau several times, love it there as well as PA and Zipolite. Tell me, about how far is it from San Miguel de allende to the coast...Zihau or Puerto Angel?

Hi everyone!

I can't find the way to access the old comments that were entered on the Zipolite site in 2001, 2002 and the first days of January 2003. Anybody knows? Thanks.

Hey, thats cool Daniel....I like the new website. You may remember me, Im the American guy who was running the place while Gloria was up in Oaxaca getting her knees worked on. All together, I was there from the milenio until right before the Ishaya people came in 2001. Whats new in paradise? Juan Flaco and Genaro still around? I should be down there in a couple weeks...see you then.

Saludos de Ohio Sean

I am currently staying in my friend, David´s, cabana on Rinconcito in Mazunte. It is a couple stairways above the beach and has the most gorgeous view I´ve ever seen, from the base of Punta Cometa all the way to Puerto Angel. (It´s below the Alta Mira cabanas, closer to the beach.) It´s hard to describe what a great spot this is. I´ll probably be leaving on March 7, and I´m helping David find someone to rent it after I leave. The house itself is brick, attractive, nicely built, a whitewashed room with a bed with mosquito net, table, chair, shelves, water dispenser, three windows; a bathroom with shower and flush toilet, with a beautiful mural of vines and birds and cactus painted on the wall (David is an artist as well as a fisherman); and a front porch covered by a palapa, with a sink, hammock and chairs. Everything is quite artistic and lovely, and the location is superb. David will also be able to take you out to fish, snorkle, or whalewatch. There are great restaurants a short walk away.

If you¨re looking for something a more comfortable than the usual rooms here, and want a drop-dead gorgeous view, this is the place for you.

If anyone is interested in renting for a week or more, please email me or answer here. Or email me any questions. I check email every Wednesday and Saturday.

Saludos amigos

Do you have some pictures? How much is the rent? I am a Barra de Navidad type of person, usually, but heard a lot about Zipolite...

Pablocito, I've lived in both the Costalegre and the Costa Esmeralda. Once you've seen the Oaxacan coast, it'll be hard to go back to La Barra.

Joan, this sounds ideal but the dates don't work for me. I'm arriving Feb 12 for a 10 day stay. If you or your friend know of any similar places for rent in Mazunte or nearby, I'd be interested in hearing about them. Thanks!

Yeah, its too bad that all that stuff is gone. Hey Tom, is there an archive of that stuff you can link to?

"...I check my e-mail every Wednesday and Saturday..." DAMN, that should get someone on the road south all by itself! Let me live vicariously here...if there's no need for business services, you walk out of your cabaña and catch the next camioneta to one of the internet cafés in Zipolite, but if you have to go to the bank or Super El Fuente, you probably go on into Pochutla and check your email there and take a collectivo back, right? And then wash the town dust off with either a tepid shower or a plunge into the sea... How are you going to STAND going back to civilization, girl?

Daniel, we have met, long ago. And I look forward to renewing our acquaintance, though probably not before May.

I second the other two, where are the old ones?

John, Youve got it exactly right. (Sorry, I cant seem to find the apostrophe on this keyboard.) Wednesday its Zipolite, Saturday Pochutla (to also get money and shop). And the dust disappears in the warm waters of Rinconcito bay.

In answer to some of the questions Ive received about the cabana...

There is no electricity. I use candles at night. I find that even with my bad eyes Im able to read at night by the light of three candles (cost=30 cents a day). There is a breeze from the ocean and so far Ive felt no need for a fan. In fact, I pull up the blanket at about 3am every morning. There is no screening at the windows right now, but Im going to try to get David to put some up; that shouldnt be very complicated. Some nights there are no mosquitos at all, and some nights theyre pesky. There are coils in the room which I burn on the porch; thats been effective. The mosquito net over the bed is 100% effective, and I sleep about 10 hours a night like a baby. The mattress is very comfortable.

The price is 250 pesos a night for two people. If you rent for a month, it will be 6000 pesos. For a single, its 220 and 5500.

The only caveat I would have is that one stretch of rock steps is a little slippery and often covered with loose gravel, and I wouldnt advise an elderly person to take the cabana unless theyre in good shape with good balance. Carrying an infant up and down might also pose a problem. (Now if I can only talk David into putting up a banister on that stretch!) And yes, its right next to Richards house. (Look down and to the right.) Ill be back in touch on Saturday.

Joan

Sounds like paradise to me. I am planning to go to Mazunte in october or november.Has anyone here stayed at Alta Mira,and if so,would you recommend it?And do you think there is any need to book ahead?

lars

Hello, I read your post on an available rental for the month of March. A friend and myself are planning to be in the Puerto Escondido area for the entire montrh of March. Is there availability? You mentioned alot in your replies to others in this post, but do you have any pics? How far is it to Zipolite, and Puerto Escondido?

I will look forward to your reply, please email me @ insomniac@intrex.net, Sincerely, Nathanael Mays

For choices in Puerto Escondido, check out the web site below.

<http://www.puertoconnection.com> [%sig%]

About an hour east of Puerto Escondido, you'll come to a tiny village on Hiway 200 named San Antonio. Take a right next to Restaurante San Antonio, known locally for its great prawns served on Sundays. Ask for "langostinos". The first village you come to on the beach "loop" is La Ventanilla, home to not only a loooonnnngggg, pristine beach but also a lagoon full of caimans, well worth a stop. The next village is Mazunte. If you didn't stop in La Ventanilla, you're only about 15 minutes from where you turned off the main highway. Mazunte is not only home to the gorgeous little accomodations mentioned here, but also to the national turtle museum and institute. Just beyong Mazunte is San Augustinillo; just beyond San Augustinillo is Zipolite; a little further on in Puerto Angel. From Puerto Angel, the "loop" continues to El Crucero, just short of Pochutla, where it recrosses Hiway 200 and becomes Hiway 175. These are places on the beach that make Puerto Escondido look cosmopolitan by comparison.

Hi guys, The cabaña has been rented until March 22. If anyone is interested in any dates after that, let me know.

Cheers, Joan

I have placed the old comments at <http://www.tomzap.com/comments_zipolite2002.html>

There are now screens in the windows of David`s cabaña! And I thought it couldn`t get any better!

Hi, Could somebody help me please?! For a couple of times I have tried to make a phone call from the Netherlands to hotel Angel del Mar in Puerto Angel. It just doesn't work. It drives me grazy.....

+52 958 584 3008 should work. Can somebody advise me?????

Thx [%sig%]

Their website says this number...did you try emailing them??? 01 958 584 30 08 info@hotel-angel-del-mar.com http://www.hotel-angel-del-mar.com/

Hola!

Escribo este e mail, para comentar que fui de vacaciones a las playas de agustinillo y quede fascinada del lugar. Me gustaria radicar en aquel lugar, pero si me gustaria saber que oportunidades de empleo existen.

Saludos del medioeste del USA. The temperature this morning is -10°F and I couldn't help but think about my last days in paradise. I spent a week in Zipolite from January 1st to the 8th. I posted some comments before the board changed but they didn't last too long. So, are there only about 5 people who post anything on this board??? Sure has been quiet here lately, did everyone get jobs or something? Maybe that's good as the Zipo/Mazunte area is at a nice balance right now and maybe any others who have interest in visiting should have to make an effort to find out about it. My report begins with a "cheap flight tip" which I usually would not share but since no one reads these pages but a few hardcore Zipophiles I feel happy to give out the info. MLT Vacations has a website, <www.worryfreevacations.com> which has listings for the major US airports that harbor its package flights. Click on the "hotdeals" highlite and then "book". This is how it works; if you know that you are taking vacation time during a certain week, then go to the website and find the cheapest flight nearest to your destination. These last minute fares usually are found in the period 1 to 3 weeks before the departure. I have used this service on Sun Country, Northwest, and Champion Air flights at least 10 times and I have been and pleased with the flights except for the sometimes spartan amenities and crowded seating, but they are over in about 4 hours so it is not too much of a bother. Part of the reason for the cheap fares is in order to fill all the seats on the plane and some flights, like mine, are at odd times and dates so they aren't too popular. This happens, for example, when the usual Wednesday scheduled flight happens to fall on X-mas morning or New Years morning. Who wants to fly out at 8AM New years morning? A nut like me for one. I had passed up some $200 RT deals the week before X-mas and a $250 2-week deal to Zihuatanejo on X-mas morning and in desparation on 12/26 I booked a $287 RT flight for New Year's morning. That meant a 3 1/2 hour drive to Minneapolis at 2AM to my airport parking reservation and flight. The closest destination to Zipo for MLT packages is Acapulco but there were no deals so I opted for Zihuatanejo. I arrived tired but happy at noon and caught a cab to the Zihua bus station. I had a 2-hour wait for the next bus to Acapulco ($P110 - 4 hrs) and another long wait for the 3AM bus from Acapulco to Pochutla ($P220 - 8-9 hrs). Tip, when asking for bus tix, ask for anything that is going toward your destination or further. There may be a bus to Salina Cruz or beyond that can drop you off in Pochutla with seats available, but a bus that goes to Pochutla that is booked full. Be flexible and ask a lot of questions. The red-eye 3AM bus was nice enough, not over booked and included a smelly toilet which was nice as the stops are short along the way (keep eating and drinking to a minimum). I spent my night sleeping (tip: bring a neck pillow). I was on the beach at Zipo by 3PM on January 2nd and I would have 6 days to get the gringos out of my ass before I had to return. The best way to do that is with some nekked body surfing in those big beautiful Zipolite waves. More later...? buena suerte, Xoyotila [%sig%]

Hi, here are a bunch of links to sites I have built...with info on Zipolite....sorry they are over the place but they are...some need a little updating...but there are some really nice photos and good info if you have never been http://thedesignerzone.tripod.com/port.htm http://www.geocities.com/la_artista_tina/zipolitemx/zipolite/ http://memories41.tripod.com/shambhala/sham.htm http://memories41.tripod.com/zipolite/ http://memories41.tripod.com/lifeguards/ http://imagivity.tripod.com/webcove/gallery/home1.htm http://imagivity.tripod.com/webcove/gallery/gall26.htm

Xoyo, I thought your post deserved a separate thread, so I moved it. I hope you don't mind. I've traveled your methods more than a few times and give you a big "SALUTE"!

Author • Autor: Xoyotitla (---.cf-res.cfu.net) Date • Fecha: 02-09-03 09:38 Saludos del medioeste del USA. The temperature this morning is -10°F and I couldn't help but think about my last days in paradise. I spent a week in Zipolite from January 1st to the 8th. I posted some comments before the board changed but they didn't last too long. So, are there only about 5 people who post anything on this board??? Sure has been quiet here lately, did everyone get jobs or something? Maybe that's good as the Zipo/Mazunte area is at a nice balance right now and maybe any others who have interest in visiting should have to make an effort to find out about it. My report begins with a "cheap flight tip" which I usually would not share but since no one reads these pages but a few hardcore Zipophiles I feel happy to give out the info. MLT Vacations has a website, <www.worryfreevacations.com> which has listings for the major US airports that harbor its package flights. Click on the "hotdeals" highlite and then "book". This is how it works; if you know that you are taking vacation time during a certain week, then go to the website and find the cheapest flight nearest to your destination. These last minute fares usually are found in the period 1 to 3 weeks before the departure. I have used this service on Sun Country, Northwest, and Champion Air flights at least 10 times and I have been and pleased with the flights except for the sometimes spartan amenities and crowded seating, but they are over in about 4 hours so it is not too much of a bother. Part of the reason for the cheap fares is in order to fill all the seats on the plane and some flights, like mine, are at odd times and dates so they aren't too popular. This happens, for example, when the usual Wednesday scheduled flight happens to fall on X-mas morning or New Years morning. Who wants to fly out at 8AM New years morning? A nut like me for one. I had passed up some $200 RT deals the week before X-mas and a $250 2-week deal to Zihuatanejo on X-mas morning and in desparation on 12/26 I booked a $287 RT flight for New Year's morning. That meant a 3 1/2 hour drive to Minneapolis at 2AM to my airport parking reservation and flight. The closest destination to Zipo for MLT packages is Acapulco but there were no deals so I opted for Zihuatanejo. I arrived tired but happy at noon and caught a cab to the Zihua bus station. I had a 2-hour wait for the next bus to Acapulco ($P110 - 4 hrs) and another long wait for the 3AM bus from Acapulco to Pochutla ($P220 - 8-9 hrs). Tip, when asking for bus tix, ask for anything that is going toward your destination or further. There may be a bus to Salina Cruz or beyond that can drop you off in Pochutla with seats available, but a bus that goes to Pochutla that is booked full. Be flexible and ask a lot of questions. The red-eye 3AM bus was nice enough, not over booked and included a smelly toilet which was nice as the stops are short along the way (keep eating and drinking to a minimum). I spent my night sleeping (tip: bring a neck pillow). I was on the beach at Zipo by 3PM on January 2nd and I would have 6 days to get the gringos out of my ass before I had to return. The best way to do that is with some nekked body surfing in those big beautiful Zipolite waves. More later...? buena suerte, Xoyotila

I liked Xoyo's story so much that I put it in a separate thread, hoping that he won't mind.

Trip Report - parte 2 ¡Qué frio hace aquí en Iowa, esta noche otra vez va a hacer -20 grados C°! Echo de menos el paraíso Zipolite :( Having arrived at Zipolite on January 2nd I began to check out the surroundings. This would be my 7th trip here and I am beginning to get familiar with the scene although it has changed over the years. I was last here in July of 2000, just before the fire. I had stayed a few nights on the third floor of Hotel El Paraíso and was happy to see that they no longer have the thatched roof, a big safety improvement. I arrived to paradise frazzled, grumpy and tired. It was the1st weekend after the New Year and quite crowded with international tourists and many Mexicans tourists also. One of the first things that caught my eye was a 7 Series BMW driving on the dusty road behind the beach. I assumed it was some well-to-do Mexican on vacation but still a bit disheartening for a devote of Zipo. I must add that I was at the Pochutla bus station buying my return ticket in advance and was distracted along with everyone else by a bright red Porsche Boxster that cruised by on the main street. This further distressed me but that was not all, 1/2 an hour later another Boxster, this time silver, drove by! I'm not claiming to have any exclusive rights to this area but some of you may agree that these are sights better left in the big cities and not in our out-of-the way paradise. Hopefully none of those driving were real estate developers. I must also say that Pochutla is turning into a respectable little city as opposed to the funky, dusty pueblo that it used to be. They could certainly use a new bus terminal but then that would make me guilty of suggesting progress so I'll shut up. The prosperity must be in part due to the gajillions of tourists that visit Pto. Angel, Zipolite, and Mazunte. It must definitely bring in some business as the avg. tourist is probably dropping $20+ dollars per day and there are probably several thousand tourists on average; the figures would be interesting to see. Yet it is STILL a relatively undeveloped area and looks to remain that way for a bit longer as it is still in a remote location. I felt that there was an equally large tourist community in the Mazunte area but it was quite separate from the Zipo scene. This is fine with me and may be partly due to the collectivo situation which I will try to explain.

From the Pochutla intersection at Hwy 200 the road heads seaward to Pto Angel, Zipolite, Mazunte, then loops back out to join Hwy 200 again about 10 miles west of Pochutla. The collectivos, or pickup truck taxis, run in both directions now but not all the way to the middle. That is to say that you can go from Pochutla to Puerto Angel but then must take a taxi to Zipolite. From the other direction, you can take the collectivo from Pochutla west to San Antonio then back east to Mazunte and a bit further, but not all the way to Zipolite. This is all taxi politics and is none of our business other than it is no longer possible to catch a collectivo from Roca Blanca to Pochutla for 6 pesos. It is still pretty cheap if you load up a taxi which is also much faster. I was able to pay 10 pesos for my share of a taxi ride all the way to Pochutla. I tipped the driver an extra 10 as he drove like Mario Andretti and got us there quickly. I know that this is a little wordy but it may save some of you the confusion of trying to figure it out. Please correct me if I'm wrong. More later, Xoyotitla [%sig%]

I'm supposed to criticize someone for being too wordy? Heave forfend! Tell us more and keep the detail high. I can almost feel the centifigal force pressing me against the other passengers as the taxi drive hurtles around those corners past Trailer Los Mangos campground...

Hey John! I was going to tell that part too. Yeah, the taxi ride with six adults and two kids. I got to sit on top of the gearshift with a succesion of obese people pinching me between themselves and Mario. Gotta love Mexico!

One more go - Nightlife, Judging Others, Prices The holiday crowd was at capacity when I arrived . From my previous trips I know it starts to get busy the week before Christmas and continues through the New Year. By Saturday the 4th it was thinning out and after the weekend it was very quiet. When I arrived it was obvious that the locals were overworked, tired, and a bit grumpy from dealing with the tourists. Each time I go to Zipolite I am more and more impressed with how laid back, yet accepting the scene is. I'm sure that everything under the sun goes on under the sun and under the moonlight but it is all usually done discreetly. The nights I was there were very quiet. The restaurant bars were fairly dead after 10PM with the exception of the new Eclipse. It is now located between El Cosmico and Shambala and it is quite a nice restaurant in a beautiful setting. They put candles in paper sacks up on the rocks and it is all quite nice. Other than that, the disco La Puesta del Sol was usually going but you wouldn't know so unless you ventured in. Maybe it is some kind of serendipidous thang that when I get to the party it disappears but I don't think so. It's not like Zipo is going to become the wet t-shirt contest capital of the world or anything. Hell, no one wears t-shirts anyway : ) and the ones who do aren't ever going to get nekked anywhere if they can't get the cobwebs out at Zipolite! There was a band playing one night at a bar on the "behind on the beach street". Great crowd, great vibe, very nice to bump shoulders and meet all those people that you see on the beach. I ended up chatting with a very nice fraulein but by the next morning I had forgotten her name. :(

I learned a great lesson on my second day while having breakfast at La Choza. An older couple, maybe 55-60 was sitting at the table next to me talking like gringo tourists do over coffee. In my smug indignation I quickly categorized them as some lawyer and wife who had heard about Zipolite and come down for a week to complain. I had to go talk to them and get the scoop. It turns out that she is the lawyer and he/they have been coming to Zipolite for the 15 years. He had a room at La Choza but paid to hang a hammock next door so he could sleep with the waves. Not only did I feel like a jerk but, I realized that it was time to get my nekked butt into the water and relax. It just goes to show that Zipolite might be a hairy, hippy, drug hangout for some but many many others of all ages, persuasions, and interests come here because the place is just so f#*king cool!

My breakfast at La Choza cost about $7US with tip and consisted of eggs, papas and coffee. This is about the same price as in the states. This might have been a bit higher than other places but not much. A friend tipped me off that the best prices are not at the beach restaurantes but behind the beach. He said the service was friendlier and more courteous also. I think he was correct and all of those places are worth checking out. There are a couple of them behind Hotel El Paraiso that fit the bill: nice food, better service and more like $5US total price. So unless you are bringing your own food count on $10-15US per day for food. Beers are $P8-10 with a few places like San Cristobol and Eclipse charging $P12. You can get "caguamas" at the tienda behind San Cristobol for $P15 + 3P deposito; the cheapest beer around and quite popular. I started my trip staying at El Pacifico, just hanging my hamaca and storing my things in the safe-room for $P20 per day. This turned out to be a pain in the ass as Doña Susana can be a real bitch sometimes and I got tired of bothering her to unlock the room. So I got a deal at San Cristobol for $P150 instead of the usual $P200. I was happy with that and they put up with me also. I stayed in the $P350 rooms in El Paraíso a couple of years ago and they are still the same price which is surprising as they are very nice rooms. I believe that they are the highest priced rooms in Zipolite. I also inquired at La Choza which I thought would be expensive but I was told that the rooms were only $P100 with bath. Is that true? If so it sure is a great deal that I will check out on my next visit.

Well, it was soon time for me to head back up the road to catch my flight from Zihuatanejo to Minneapolis. I bought my ticket a few days in advance just to be sure I would get one. The little Pochutla bus station was like tourist "grande central"! It is not uncommon that busses are full and one has to wait until the next day. I left at 7PM from Pochutla and arrived near the Zihuatanejo airport about 9AM. Not a bad way to spend my last night and I trusted that the bus would get me there on time. My flight wasn't until 1:30PM so I decided to check out Barra de Potosí for breakfast. While waiting at a tienda I overheard some chicano like English speaker saying that he "wasn't going to do f#*king nothing for less than 100 pounds. Sh*#t man who do you think I am, I ain't moovin' less you get a real deal dude" or something like that. It sure sounded drug-ugly and made me quite uncomfortable, as the location was in a respectable little business area where the cop helped the vendors load-up and then helped the little old ladies onto the collectivo. I made my way to Barra del Potosí and tried to order breakfast at10AM. I asked for cafe con leche and the man came back 5 minutes later and told me they had no Nescafe. Sh#t! What kind of restaurant in Mexico doesn't have Nescafe? I realized that it was too early in the day for these tourist servers to help me so I left. I caught a cab to the airport, ate at the entrance tienda with the airport workers and flew on home and the flight went smoothly. Damn, it sure is cold here. Buena suerte, Xoyotitla [%sig%]

Just finished reading your post. Thanks for the bedtime story! I'll have sweet dreams tonight for sure...sigh!!! Boy I miss Zip!

Don't he make us turn green with envy, Tina? Sure you can't make it down this Spring and let Lalo and tus Angelita meet? I'll spot you a bowl of the super soup at La Choza....

Hi John, Yes, it sure is nice to dream ...... I'm working on getting down there, ...more like next fall or winter, if I am really lucky,....now let's see wears my four leaf clover....and my wish bone....and..... :)

I'm happy to hear someone enjoyed my report. One thing that I forgot to mention was that the waves were big all week but very safe and enjoyable, even the children could wade in the surf. There was quite good surfing all week and we were even treated to some dolphins on the far breakers one afternoon. Everyone retreated to the shore to watch and enjoy them playing in their habitat. Speaking of Lalo, I believe I met him a few visits ago, he stays next to El Pacifico, correct? I saw him a few times on the veranda but never saw him on the beach or elswhere. Chao

Hi Xoyotitla, I really did love hearing about Zipolite. When Lalo writes(which is rarely lately) he just speaks about us and Angel and I never get to hear about Zipolite and all it's beauty. So I miss that a lot. Yes, he stays in his hammock between the Roca Blanca Restaurant and I guess it is the other place. I always stayed clear of there as I was told about some scary things on that side....You probably never saw him on the beach because he's "always" working whenever he can...I believe he's working at Alquimista right now...but he moves around as the work does...Now is his busy time...after the tourists leave it's a very unnerving time as work is so hard to find down there. Well thanks again for the report...how were the mosquitos...this is a good time of year...closer to April and Sept I found them bad....They especially like me...those and the sand fleas(Alquimista)....that's one of my biggest concerns for when I bring Angel down.

Hola, yes the mossies were a bit bad. They don't bother me much but I did have a lot of little bites. You say that the Roca Blanca end of the beach is kind of scary? Really? I'm glad nothing happened to me! I did get a little scared over in front of the new Eclipse when I saw these nekked guys talking and laughing and one of them had a big stiffy going on :O Then that place up on the hill is kind of spooky too, that ShaLaLaLaLaBamba place. They've got this scary stairway that goes up and up and people go up there and never seem to get back out! I saw some people sitting on the rocks up there with their legs all twisted together. They were holding some tiny things in on top of their knees and humming and moaning at the sky, pretty scary. I thought maybe they were waiting for the space people or something, which is cool, so I decided to go help them. I started climbing up the stairs and a big voice came down from above and said, "You can't bring your beer in here!" Now that was really scary!

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It's not that end of the beach, "just the campground and beside it.." people have lost things staying there....Roca Blanca Restaurant and rooms are great! My favorite place. And Shambhala is great too! You mean you didn't go up to the meditation point and watch sunset. That's too bad. Ya, no drugs...Gloria wants it to be a spiritual place....and Ohm beach and the Meditation point are very beautiful....you don't need beer. Angel is calling ....have to run...will write later.

Okay...where was I....oh ya...Shambhala,...I would never have ventured there, I bet, except the 2nd time I went to Zipolite(10 years after the first time) I was sooooo exhausted from my air plane ride, and bus ride...and fending off the constant conversation...of every guy that sat next to me(if you know what I mean)....(my spanish was extremely sad at that point)...that I couldn't even talk when I got to Pochutla. I piled into a collectivo with a bunch of people, and when they said where do you want to go...I just shoved the guide book at them and they saw...Gloria's Shambhala there....They said...OOOh! ShhhaaambalaCity!!! That's where were staying...and it's cheap $50 pesos a night for a room...

At first when I saw the room...I thought ohhhh man I made a mistake...but when I opened the shutters...the view was soooo awesome...with the waves crashing and ....well I was sooo happy. Later that night everyone there insisted I come to dinner with them....even though I said I was tooooo tired....but I went and it was great! Every night was like that....That was a great trip.

In the morning I went down and the beach and people were doing yoga and the most beautiful sunrise was happening. Every morning I got up early and took beautiful photos...in the afternoons I would go to the Meditation point.

I went to town and bought all sorts of goodies and decorated my room...flowers, sarongs...etc. Ya...that was so much fun. Then I was truly hooked.

The next time I went back to Zip though I stayed somewhere else though...eventually I found the room above Roca Blanca, actually Lalo found it...that's one of the rooms we stayed in after the fire.

I love that room. I have painted some excellent paintings sitting in that little room...the wind blows in and keeps it fresh and cool.

Well those are all the positive things...there are some negs...I don't like to mention them...people have to find out for themselves...I'm not talking crime stuff...just natural predators and politics.

La Choza sounds like a cool place...I will check that out ...when we go back...what's the view like from there....and are the rooms enclosed....I mean is there ways for creatures to access the rooms after the doors and windows are closed....I guess I am referring to things that "squeak" ...I hestitate to mention "_ats" because it freaks people out...but they are definitely a reality down there...and if I am taking a baby ...I have to be super careful.

Tina, I never experienced a _at problem during my many stays in that room. Just the usual assortment of local beach _ats.......Taking my daugter this summer for her graduation present.. Everyone please wish me luck and if you have the time please help me chaperone this lovely lady from the aforementioned.

Gunter

Tina, the room above the bar - above whqat used to be the kitchen - has the best view of any at La Choza, and I don't think you'd have any four-legged vermin problems there. 'Course, that room runs a little more than the standard ten usd...

Seeking accomodations for the end of march...the 22nd through the 27th...or thereabouts. Is David's place available then...rent? enjoyed your comments. Let me know. Thanks! Wendy

Hi All, I will be heading down to Oaxaca this weekend with an old buddy of mine. We're flying into Mexico City and then driving straight to Oaxaca City. We plan to kick around the countryside for a few days and then head down rt.175 to Puerto Angel and Zipolite. I have never been to Oaxaca, but I have traveled extensively in both Jalisco and Nayarit. I found Barra de Navidad way too touristy, and Chacala, with all its local charm and beauty aside, just to crowded. Will I be happily surprised around Puerto Angel and Zipolite, and find a little Pacific Coast peace? If so, can you recommend any places to stay in which a struggling freelance video editor can lay his head in relative comfort? (let's say $15-$30USD per night that sleeps 2?) Finally, if you have any suggestions as to places we should roam in the countryside it would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance...

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On your way down from Oaxaca City, plan at least one night at the Puesta del Sol in San Jose del Pacifico. It's a gorgeous place to lay your head. Incredible vistas - you're at 8300 ft elevation there.

If your map is good enough to get you to Pluma Hidalgo as a side trip down closer to the coast, you'll be going to the prime coffee growing arera. The Oaxacan coffee plantations use the "shade grown" method, and the fincas really are wildlife refuges. Incredible birding, by the way.

Recommendations for places to stay on the coast are best taken with a grain of salt. The environment is hard on hotels and palapas, and the maintenence can vary greatly from one year to the next. But except for Christmas and Easter, accomodations are quite easy to come by. There's a couple of hotels in San Augustinillo in your price range; I think I'd look there first. There's lots of space in Puerto Angel in your ranges as well. Zipolite is considerably less expensive, but the accomodations tend towards spartan if not primative. If you do want to spend a few nights in Zipolite, I don't feel at all hesitant to recommend La Choza in the Roca Blanca area. They also have a great restaurant, though their prices are higher than what you would pay in Puerto Angel.

Mazunte also has its charm. Check all the areas before you settle in, and don't hesitate to relocate if another place, uh, "moves" you.

If you go to Mazunte, be sure to check out Punta Cometa...it's totally awesome!

I think that the reasons I encountered little visitors was that in one situation the guy beside me was sooo "duh" and was leaving food out...he said to me when I questioned him..."they're so smart, they can even crawl up on the table!!!"

The other thing was ...I believe that sometimes the population grows in certain years due to weather...ever hear about when all the Navajos were dying and the elders said it was related to an old saying "when a mouse runs across your shirt, you must burn your clothes". They discovered there was a huge increase in the deer mice....due to weather condition...food availability...etc...

Anyways....I always try to be really clean...tie up all food and hang it if I can...and I wear lavender...

Thanks for the info, Any recommendations for a safe and semi-comfortable place to stay in Zipolite?

Cheers again, Rich

Thanks for the info, Any recommendations for a safe and semi-comfortable place to stay in Zipolite?

Cheers again.

Rich

Thanks for the info, Any recommendations for a safe and semi-comfortable place to stay in Zipolite?

Cheers again.

Rich

La Choza's my choice. Sergio keeps it safe.

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I went to give blood this week and they turned me down again. I knew that they would if I told them the truth; that I had been to Zipolite...I was so ashamed. So Tina, how are you going to know if it safe to bring this kid down? Are you just going to take a chance with the little angel or do you have some inside info on the aerosolized rodent excreta levels? I was worried about taking my daughter down when she was 3 & 4, but mostly I was worried about her mom going off and kicking my butt if the kid got sick or something. She did fine except for mosquito bites (sleep net next time, and repellent) and she had a great time. I don't know what the infant mortality statistics are for Mexico, one would think they would be very high. However, that doesn't seem to be curbing the number of children in the general population.

Another winter storm headed for the Midwest this weekend, I'm dreaming of cheap flights but my banker says I can't go anywhere until May at best. :(

It's snowing here too!(Kootenays, B.C. Canada ) Well considering Angel is half Mexican she should have some built in stuff...and I am immunizing her, although that in itself is a freaky thing, but at least in Canada they have stopped using Mercury(Thermosal(sp?)) as a preservative.... Lavender...it has a very long history. Apparenty during the black plague the grave robbers used something called 3 thieves oil....they rarely got the plague, and it had lavendar it. It repellents insects, as well, as many other things, it's incredible on burns, heals all sorts of wounds... I keep a little blue glass spray bottle around all the time. I put a little water in it, and about 10 drops of lavender....and I am constantly spraying us...I use it as a deodorant, and when ever good natured strangers touch little Angel's hands or face I spray us down. There's a lot of flu and bugs going around right now...and it's helped a lot...I believe. If you read up on aromatherapy you will see that pure essential lavender oil is antibiotic, antiseptic, antiviral, antifungal....the only other natural substances close to it are onion...euclyptus, tea tree and thyme...of which the last 3 i also try to carry in my kit...

I will use a mosquito net, cover up at dusk and probably stay at rooms at Abborates Esmerlda, it's the little store on the back road, behind Roca Blanca Restaurant, Berto and Elly run it, Berto is Chico's brother, ....anyways, it's cement ceilings, all enclosed and even has screen's..so that's probably best for us. Not right on the beach....but...I know will be fine...it's just a money thing that keeps us from going right now...Man this site is dead, sure hope some people tell us there adventures...sooooooon!!

Anybody know who that gorgeous guy is that runs on the beach in the mroning with sunglasses, reversed baseball hat, speedo and to kill for body...someome said he was a famous writer...i love watching him run...help...jane...didnt give my real net address embarrassed cause i cant spell...still help...ps livelula is the only bar in town...

Is there Internet access in Zipolite? How hard is it to get, and how fast is the connection? My husband and I are considering moving there, but since having an income while there is our main obstacle...He is a webmaster, and can work anywhere there is a decent connection.

There is certainly Internet access in Zipolite. The connection is very fast, but not DSL speed. There are at least 3 internet cafes in Zipolite at the western end (don't know about the other end). You can get a private phone line put in. Talk to Daniel at the Brisa Marina...one of his long-term guests has a line installed and his computer hooked up there.

Advice: Before you make a permanent move, stake yourself for a visit of 3 to 6 months to make sure it will work out for you. You can probably live VERY well on US$500 per month per person there. But _maintaining_ that income is the challenge.

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Cathy...tell us about your adventure!!!!

Dear Wendy, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, but a flurry of guests kept me from the internet. The cabaña will be available after March 22nd. I won´t be here, but go to Rinconcito and look for the brick cabaña on the hill (about two stories up from the beach) with an orange hammock on the front porch. Ask any local person for the pescadero David (nicknamed Lucho). Tell him that you saw the ad on the internet, posted by Juanita.

Hope it´s available. You´ll love it. If it´s not, it should be easy to find other accommodation (unless it´s semana santa, when there are mobs). Try Posada del Architequecto.

Best, Joan P.S. I´d love to hear from you if you stay there!

Alguien me podria informar de un terreno en la playa en venta mil gracias de antemano

Could you tell me what we would have to do to legally authorize a Mexican citizen to drive our automobile?

Contact your broker for your Mexican Auto insurance and ask them.

This is the above comment translated. Can some one give me information on a lot for sale on the beach ? thank you very much in advance...

Joan, Would you happen to know if David's cabin is available 4/14 through 4/19? I realize it's Semana Santa but that's when my girlfriend and I will be there.

This will be my 10th or so time in Mexico (regular to Guanajuato) but first time for us in Oaxaca. We are flying in and out of Oaxaca and want to make the most of the week in between.

We wish to avoid anything resembling the Club Med (read: Huatulco). Looks like we should stick to beaches and towns from PA on west. Also, I'm considering renting a car for the entire trip back and forth from Oaxaca for the sake of exploring, etc. Advice?

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The folks who were supposed to arrive at the beginning of March have cancelled. The cabana is generally available. I'm no longer in Mexico, but here are the directions:

Go down the Rinconcito road in Mazunte until you reach the beach. Make a right and walk a few steps. Look up. You'll see a brick cabana with round windows and a front porch with an orange hammock. This is David's. The entrance to the stairs is behind a palm tree. If you can't find it, ask at Pacha Mama, the excellent new veggie restaurant at the end of the Rinconcito road.

Good Luck

hola buenos dias!! por fin vamos otra vez un poquito al sol..heike de alemania con mi novio sergio de espana, viviendo en dublin... una amica nos ha contado que zipolite sera el paraiso en tierra - y queremos venir a verl y vivirlo una semanita.. y tus cabanas suenan precioso vamos a venir al fin de avril, tienes algo libre? suerte y besos de heike

I will be in Zipolite in April. Just wondering what to do besides hit the beach. I do want to ride horses, visit the turtle museum, and loaf around. Give me some advice as far as what else I might enjoy doing there. Also, has anyone stayed at Solstice, the yoga retreat?

In the morning get up real early and watch the sunrise, in the evening go up behind shambhala to the meditation point and watch the sunset. Take a ride out Mazunte and go see Punta Cometa and swim in the big natural jacuzzi...be careful though...don't get sucked out ....bring lots of film...so you can remember it all.

Drink cappachino's at the San Cristobal Las Casas restaurant in the mornings... If you can paint...then you'll love just sitting around drawing and painting... Go into Pochulta for the market...I think the Artisans market is monday??? How's that for a few things.

Hola Sean, I hope you're enjoying Shambhala, tell tom I send my greetings and to make the best of any given moment, especially in Zipolite! I had a wonderful time at the fish bake below Shambhala, I was impressed by its size. When will you be returning home to the U.S.? Are you still at Shambhala?

You now have my E-Mail address to keep in touch. Please send me an attachment of the still you took of the nudists spelling out, "NO WAR" on the beach below Shambhala. I want to add it to Gloria's website while I make a few other to her site after talking with her about it.

If you are still staying at Shambhala please tell Gloria I made it back to San Diego with coffee mugs intact. Sah will know what I mean.

Take care brother, Daniel

Hi Joan! I'm planning a trip at the beginning of april, I would like to knowif it 's gone be available for two weeks and if it's safe for a woman travelling by herself!! I guess it is!!! Thank you

Hi Melanie: I stayed in Mazunte for three weeks in 2001. First week at Alta Mira and second week at Richard's house just past the one being spoken of. I was alone the first 10 days and then had a girlfriend with me. I/we never felt unsafe. I don't know how old you are..I'm older now, but have been travelling in Mexico since I was 23. My experience has always been that yes, if you are young and female you will get unwanted attention. But it is usually easy to handle by a polite but firm response. The only time things get out of hand is when there is a lot of alcohol involved and those are the situations to stay out of. You will love Mazunte, I know I did.

zoe

We have just returned from two beautiful weeks at Rancho Cerro Largo outside of San Agustinillo, and have posted a number of pictures on our website, for those who are interested: http://home.attbi.com/~ricewings/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html [%sig%]

Melanie, I've travelled in the area by myself many times and found it to be very safe. I walk around alone at night and have had no problems. David is a local guy, so you will kind of be under the protection of the local folks there.

I have no idea of availability, as I'm back in NYC (unfortunately). You'll just have to show up. If it's not available, there are many other places to stay. Posada Dona Sol in San Agustinillo is wonderful, affordable and very safe. And they have hot water!

Have fun.

Joan

I bet that's my friend Jody........

Wonderful pictures, luisa, thank you!

I looked up Rancho Cerro Largo and it said $60! Is that the real price? That is awful high! Are they multiple rooms? (Just curious, no plans to go anytime soon...sigh) Zoe

yes!! Thanks I needed that...I love to look at photos from Zipolite.Thanks again!!!!:)

Go to Rio Tonameca on Sunday morning and enjoy the weekly riverside feasting. Ask some of the older locals about artifacts. Vist Alberca Paraiso in Chacalaba. Ride a camioneta up to Candalaria and vist a coffee finca. The birding is incredible with a chance of seeing some rare animals. The possibilities for adventure are endless! Of course, adventure is sometimes defined as something really scary happening to someone else far, far away...

Yes, $60 is the price for a cabina for two, with lots of breakfast and dinner included. The cabinas are like the one shown, very simple, one room, with latrino seco and private patio in front. Another of the pictures (the one with pink and white bugambilia) shows the bathroom. The cabinas are beautifully laid out along the hillside, with a central dining and common area at the top. The price is steep, but the place, its friendly atmosphere and hosts are very special.

Ah, food included makes some difference but still a bit steep. I guess we all have different needs. Some who are comfortable with just a hammock for 50 pesos might think it steep to stay at Alta Mira as I did for $35. (It is a bit high in my opinion without electricity, if they ever get electricity in as they plan I think it would be a good price.) Zoe

Just returned on march 23,2003. We arrived by car from Mexico City via Acapulco way. We spent our first night at a B&B in Acapulco and then hit hwy 200 at noon for an 8 hour drive. We enjoyed the drive but the topes (speed bumps) do wear on you after awhile. We landed in Mazunte at 8 PM with a moon almost full staring at us from the top of the hill at Alta Mira. The shimmering pacific bathed in the silvery rays of the moon was breathtaking. We splurged on the $40 premium rooms and were very pleased -- we had #9 and our friends had #7. We made our reservations for Alta Mira through i-escape.com . It worked out well. The beach at Mazunte is very nice. The water is mostly calm with an occasional wave big enough for body serfing. The beach is sheltered from the open pacific by punta cometa, which is a rocky point at the end of Mazunte and is the southernost point of Mexico. Hike out to the end of Punta Cometa for a memorable sunsent. We found pretty decent snorkeling around the rocks on either end of mazunte beach. On the east end my partner ran almost headlong into a huge (10-12 feet) shark. It peacefully went on its way. We were told sharks are quite rare so he felt lucky to see one and happy he survived the initial shock. Some of the best snorkeling we had was at estacahuite which is only 10 minutes away by car. I also highly recommend the extremely beautiful beach at San Augustin, about 40 minutes south by car. Very good snorkeling and a very layed back atmosphere. You can park under a thatched roof if you buy a few drinks from the families that run them. We saw only mexican families and there were no worries about losing your stuff. On your way out, stop to look at the raging pacific on the beach on the other side of the punta. If smoking is your thing, stop off at zipolite. We got a really nice bag for $5. From Mazunte we went out with a local fisherman in his boat to see the sea turtles. He was fishing while we were looking for turtles. In all we saw about a dozen turtles, including one couple caught in the act of love. The fisherman gave us one of the tuna he caught and our hostess at Alta Mira cooked it up for our dinner that night. We returned to Mexico City via the mountain road to Oaxaca. Spent a few days there too. We stayed at the senoral on the zocolo which is not great but very well located. The museum in the old convent at the church of Santo Domingo is a must. As are the artisan shops around that area. We also enjoyed a trip out to the very impressive ruins at Monte Alban. For our next trip I think we will fly into Huatulco. If you rent a car, be sure they document every scratch/dent and cigarette burn.

Yeah, those damned seed burns do make a nasty hole in the upholstery, don't they? Did the shark you saw have catfish-like whiskers? There's a few resident nurse sharks in the area, called "gatos" by the locals. Harmless if you don't try to ride them or something equally brainless... Glad you had a great time and thanks for the report.

Definitely not a nurse shark. This one was big, grey and cruising the surface. I would have loved to see some nurse sharks. Perhaps I will hire a boat next time to find out where they hang out.

Well, it IS the ocean and there ARE sharks...you didn't notice white or black fintips, did you? Could also have been a bull. Even as a veteran night diver, I still got the chills some mornings when I watched the shark fishermen bringing in their overnight catches. Saw them bring in a MONSTER tiger one morning. Sure am glad we're not in the normal food chain...

Saludos, I'm thinking of driving my VW Van down to Zipo. I've visited there twice in past years and absolutely adored it. I'm now thinking of quitting work, adventuring my way down from LA to Mexico and then living near the beach and volunteering over at Pina Palmera if they (hopefully) need me. Has anyone down there seen VW-type vans along those sandy streets? I've had this dream for some time and am wondering if it could be actualized. I've lived in my van before---camping, Burning Man etc--but I'm thinking longer term here---six months possibly. I'd probably pay to park on someone's land and use their washroom. (The van has a sink, stove, and mini-fridge...and for what it is, is comfy.) Any thoughts/advice? Gracias...

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Lots! but your going to be going for the rainy time of year and that might not be that fun as the humidity is high...VW's are the best because they make them there...so parts and mechanics aren't a problem. I have friend's that go to the baja every year in their VW and they have been doing that for 20 year probably. I'm sure you can easily make a deal to park on someone's property and use the shower...check out Shambhala-talk to Gloria, Roca Blanca, or the place right beside Roca Blanca...well those are my thoughts. Only thing you need to check on...is that there are rules that if you bring a vehicle in,...you have to bring it out...John...you know this part better I am sure... perhaps you should comment. Have a great time....:) Oh, my advice, stay away from the campsite. If you run in to Lalo, he lives beside the Roca Blanca restaurant, his english is quite good, and he is very helpful...have you checked out the pina palmera website...they'll have lots of info for you... Take care.

cien is david por favor,tal ves an american? how is gabino,el maestro de los hamacas? thanks jim

Hi, I am going to Mazunte in October and will be arriving by air in Mexico City.Are there any direct buss-routes from Mexico City to Pochutla?

Selvajim, David is a Zapotec fisherman. His family is one of the two families that originally settled Mazunte. He has some great stories of the history of the area.

Joan

Lars - yes. Two per day, at least.. Check Magicbus.com. And if you miss them - and they depart inside an hour of each other - you can route creatively through Acapulco or Oaxaca City.

For Alex: Regarding your VW, be aware that any American (i.e. German) VWs made after 1972 have quite different motors from the Mexican ones. Parts and service are definitely a problem.

The newer Mexican vans use a water-cooled Golf-type motor. The older ones use the circa 1970 Beetle engine.

So beware. Any kind of breakdown could lead to great complications. And as someone has already mentioned, you can't just abandon it. You have to get the vehicle out of the country! (They will have your credit card no. in order to fine you!) Jimbo

I've read about Zipolite on the net for a few years now and I am curious about coming down to check it out. I have a few questions: - Is haunta virus from rodents really a signficant concern? - Seems like I've read of some murders of tourists near Puerto Angel in the very recent past. Is Zipolite dangerous? - I am a young-at-heart 45-year-old male with hippie leanings. Would I be out of place coming down there alone? - When is the best time of year to visit? - Do most people from the US fly to Oaxaca and travel to Zip by bus? - Is a lack of ability to speak Spanish a big problem?

Thanks for info on any of these questions or any info you might think of interest. Jim

1. I've never actually heard of a case of hanta in Zipolite. This was a speculation regarding a carefull mother's concerns about her infant.

2. Someone else will have to answer about any recent homicides; I haven't heard of any lately. However, there is an influx of ladrones, mostly Chilangos, during the Christmas and Easter busy seasons. And there are a few local "bad guys".Some caution should be used at night in very dark places. 3. 45 year old ex-hippie? You will be among your own kind!

4. My favorite time in Huatulco is late Fall, when things are still green, and early December, when the sea seems most conducive to my form of recreation - underwater!

5. Huatulco is the closest airport; Puerto Escondido just a ittle further. Unfortunately, travel to neither is cheap. That's why so many fly into Mexico City or Acapulco and then bus it.

6. You can get by with no Spanish.

We need new threads on this board, Tell us your adventures travelling by bus to zip. Any ticket prices and other info would be helpful. thanks, gregor

I am a Canadian and have been to Zipolite many times. I get "air only" on a charter out of Toronto directly to Huatulco and it usually costs around $600 CDN. (That's only about $1.95 US). Just kidding, actually it's about $400 US so it really depends where you're departing from. Most Canadian charters only fly to Huatulco in the winter, fall and early spring. At least, it's a thought. I'm 65 yrs old, male and travel alone. I've never felt unsafe, just use common sense. Good luck, Chris

Daniel, If you could please let Gloria know that my mom, Donna ( the one that got lost for months on a few week trip to Mexico with her) will be coming back down there (after 30 years) this summer. She is very exited yet worried, wondering if Gloria is still there. I just refound this site and will let her know what I read tommorrow. Please send Gloria my love and let her know that Sarah is an honor roll student and in the gifted and talented class. She had the best start in the world there. I owe that to Gloria. Thank you very much- Karma

well, heres a link to an adventure I had on a bus *leaving* zipolite once...

http://peoplesguide.com/1pages/chapts/pubtran/bus/bus-robbery.html [%sig%]

Hello, I decided a month ago that I wanted to spend the summer on the beach in Oaxaca. Since then, I've done a lot of reading about the different beaches there and I decided that somewhere in the area of Puerto Angel was the place for me. The place you described sounds absolutely perfect to me because I really want to have a place of my own while I'm there.

Is it too late to discuss renting the house for the months of June and July? Even if it is, I'd appreciate a reply in which you might let me know what my chances are of finding another place like yours. I'm having a little bit of trouble coming up with reliable information from my home here in Austin, Texas and anything you might tell me would be very valuable information. Thanks for your time, Matthew

Hello, My name is Matthew and I live in Austin, Texas. I've spent a lot of time around the city of Oaxaca and decided that this summer I'd like to finally make my way to the coast. The truth is that I'm going there to catch up on some reading and to write songs that I can record when I return to the States in August. For that reason, the vicinity of Puerto Angel sounded best to me. It sounds relatively small and quiet. In one sense I am looking for a little isolation but on the other hand I look forward to talking to the folks that live there. I guess that it would be more accurate to say that I'm looking to get away from all things American for a couple of months. My spanish is pretty good and I'd like it to keep getting better.

I'm looking for a house that I can rent for the summer. I'd prefer a house to a hotel because I like to play the guitar and sing as I work out new songs and I don't want to think that I might be disturbing anyone. Also, even if I knew people were close by, it would inhibit me somewhat. What are my chances of finding a house that I can rent for June and July on the beach in Zipolite, Mazunte, or Puerto Angel? Are there other beaches anyone knows of that might suit me? Here in Austin, my only sources of information are travel books and websites like these. Any information you'd like to share with me about accomodations or the beach communities would be much appreciated. Please describe your memories in all their glory so that I might get a good idea of what you are saying. Thank you for your time, attention, and interest in helping me have a productive summer.

Matthew

bonjour je suis francaise et je recherche mon ami tristan qui construit sa maison a mazunte ou dans le coin... hello i'm french and i'm looking for my friend tristan who lives in mazunte who can help me please my e mail laetitiabaudin@aol.com [%sig%]

Dear Matthew, As I've said before, the only way to see if the cabana is free is to go there and talk to David, but I would bet he'd be happy to rent it out for two months! If you don't have any luck with David, try Posada Dona Sol; Ana and Jeff do long-term rentals at a very good rate. There are lots of possibilities on the coast, most of them very reasonable; you'll find something. Just get there, rent a room for a day or two, and do some on-site research.

Joan

I meant summer 2003!!

Matthew

Hi Karma, Im staying up at Shambhala at the moment, and I pased your message on to Gloria...she was very suprised and happy to hear from you! She says that she, your mom, and you all discovered this place together...basically starting Zipolite as its known today. Im sending a note she wrote to you via email.

Daniel, I passed your message on to Gloria. All is well, everyting is quiet here at the momnt, especially since jerry left! Carlos, from the old days, showed up and was working here again, then he split a couple days ago. Pilar snuck of to Puebla for the time being and for the moment its just me Pepe and Gloria. Oh, and the puppies--six of them, husky/wolf/shepard mix. they are mobile blue eyed, highly destuctive little furballs! and only a couple weeks old. I cant even imagine whts goin to happen in a couple more weeks...gonna take the whole place apart worse than huricane pauline! saludos, Sean Oh, Ill send the naked hippy war protest photos nextime I come up!

Yeah, you got it right....this place is perfect for what you want. sympathise with wanting to get the hell out of the states for awhile. Ive been down here since before the war, and dont really feel like going back. there isnt *anyone* down here in favor of curent US govt insanity. It rains every day here in the summer and is very quiet, not too many folks around, but always someone interesting to hang out and eat tacos with. Cozy, very small town feel. Very humid, lush and green in the summer.

As far as accomidation, youll have you pick. Lots of empty places to choose from. Hotel/house thing isnt much of an issue...the hotels are houses, basically. People rent houses, rooms, cabanas, hammocks. Nobody here will be bothered by your guitar but if you want there are myiad beautiful places to wander off and play by yourself. All the beaches are nice and you can move freely between them...very close. I would recommend just showing up and looking around, pretty much everything here would meet your requirements. Anything you book in advance is likely to be more expensive than what youd find here yourself. Myself, I like shambhala up on the hill on the far west end of Zipolite (check out the site mentioned in the 'wow' thread)...cheap, best view of the whole beach, and nice folks. this is the original Zipolite.

Might see you here!

I am interested in info about the house. What is the price breakdown? and availability. We are thinking of coming down in August. Let me know. Thanks.

Sean: Matthew is clearly looking for a place to enjoy all of the appeals of Shambala, and more. Shouldn't we warn him that it is one of the only places on the beach that won't let him smoke a joint? From his post, Sean, surely you might have suspected that, no? Get off of his back, Sean, before he even arrives.

Of cousre it's alright to recommend Shambala on this site, Sean. But consider "the beach" in question. Got it? Now, consider the type of people who flock to this beach. Finally, consider the person whose post you responded to. Thank you.

Matthew, Zipolite is everything you seem to be asking about. Go there and write your album. You will be inspired! Make friends with the locals. They are the best Spanish teachers in town. Speak with them. Sing with them. Dance with them. Eat with them. Drink with them. Swim with them. Don't look for smoke; it will find you.

Write some great songs, Matthew. This world could use them right about now.

Rains every day? Huh? Heck, I've been there years when there was NO rain until August. June and July tend to have some scattered rainfall, but the heavier rains tend to be later in the season. Check the historic data elsewhere on the site; Usually over half the anual rainfall is in September but even then there are fewer rainy days than dry ones.

Hello, im from Monterrey,MX (writing in english cause it might be easier for most people reading this) anyway i went to Zipolite in January and totally loved it.I wanna go back in May, or June but id like to hear about those months, many people there? the ocean is too wild? i liked everything about January, the amount of people, the sea, etc if someone can help me please let me know....

Fernando. Thanks!

All information is at the beginning of this thread

Hi...I am planning on coming down this summer with my two sons..16 and 6. We are layed back and surf, not looking for much, only some where that is friendly to my six year old. Sounds like finding a place to stay will be no problema. How cool is the area for the young lad? Will the 16 year old have enough surf and other expoloration potential (snorkeling, fishing, etc) to keep him going? We are planning on spending some time in PE but I feel that Zipolite will be more to my liking (hey, I'm paying)! All replies apprecated...

Peace to all

Dios mio, Señor Gif, youve obviously been away from zip far too long, you need to smoke some of your own medicine and relax! First of all, nowhere in his post did Matthew mention or even suggest smoking weed...it seems silly to me to even bring it up. You think just because hes a musician he smokes dope? (well youre probably right..) Second, all I said was that I enjoy staying at Shambhala, not that he should stay there...Im hardly jumping on his back. Third, if you had ever stayed at Shambhala you would know that plenty of people living there (and Ill include myself) enjoy indulging in their head of choice whenever they want.

The situation with grass at Shambhala is this: due to rather serious problems she's had in the past with harrassment from Mexican law enforcement, Gloria does not allow guests to use anything illegal on Shambhala property. Theres simply too big a risk for her of jepordizing her property and her personal freedom if her guests are busted using drugs on her land. She simply asks that if you are going to use illegal drugs, you step out onto the beach or over the hill, off her land. You make it sound like Shambhala is uptight and anti-pot and this is not the case. The fact is, Shambhala is about the most friendly, laid-back, quiet, peaceful and beautiful place to stay on the entire beach, which is why the type of people that come to Zipolite love the place...and have returned year after year for 30 years now--since the beginning--longer than any other place on the beach. My veinte centavos. Of course then there's the no-alchohol policy...:-) If anyone wants to talk about that, the first beer over at Livelula's is on me.

John, Ive never looked at the weather stats for the Oaxaca coast, Im just going by the couple years that Ive spent the summer months here, when Ive seen a *lot* of rain. Of course it doesnt rain every single day, but afternoon showers were the norm when I was around. Sometimes it would piss rain for days non-stop. Im just trying to let our friend know that he can expect to see plenty of overcast and rainy weather if he comes that time of year.

Bob, I bet the kids would love this place. Again, very slow in the summer...you kind of have to make your own fun, but very natural and beautiful. Surf--there is plenty of that, but extreme caution with the water is warranted here. This is generally not a safe place for inexperienced surfers. the break is usually big, hard and fast, and the current can be quite strong. These are not ideal surfing conditions. Ive seen experienced, confident surfers from california and australia walk out of the water here with dazed looks and broken boards. People die in the water here, so make sure you figure out whats going on before the kids jump in. There are plenty of fishing and exploring opportunities, some OK snorkling too. And PE is close, its easy to get back and forth. Enjoy!

Its about the same, but with far fewer people and the water is generally higher with bigger waves...hard to bodysurf. The clouds and rain may be moving in by then too.

Matt, DO NOT, under any circumstance, smoke on the beach. That, my friend, is rule number one. Keep it where you smoke it, at the cabana you're going to rent down the beach from Shambala. Never carry it with you away from there. Visit Shambala. It's really lovely. Go for lunch and play some backgammon. Check out meditation point at sunset. It'll blow your mind. Stay away from fat naked guys smoking herb on the beach, like Sean. It's an easy target for the policia.

Try the opium. Have a blast. Write a song about Peace. Peace.

Hello Everyone, I certainly appreciate all the replies I've receieved regarding my inquiries about Zipolite and all the encouraging words toward my purpose for being there. I've also enjoyed reading the ongoing debate over whether or not I smoke pot and the stereotyping that has started all of this. If Zipolite is as small and quiet as everyone has me believe, then perhaps I'll see some of you down there. I have a much better idea of what the different areas on the coast have to offer thanks to you folks out there. Keep the comments coming. Thanks again, Matthew

I was there last year in June and Ziplite was dead. I moved on to Puerto Escondido and had a great time. dg [%sig%]

But Matthew, are you going to keep us dying from suspense or what!? Do you or dont you smoke dope?

And as for you, Gif, or Kelly, or whatever your name is (do I *know* you?) , if youve never sat in the sand around a blazing fogata on the beach under the full moon passing around a nice churro with your friends, I doubt youve even *been* here. Or maybe you prefer hiding from cops under your bed in your cabana? I'll smoke a nice fat one for you tonight with sand between my toes while watching Scorpio rising in the east around midnight...stars are fantastic right now. Still a bit nippy up there in Canada, is it? Cmon down and join us when your brain thaws out a bit :-)

Here's an answer for BOB, with the six year old. Stay in San Augustinillo. The quiet side of the rocks will be safer for your little one <there's really no place on Zipolite safe enough for a six year old to swim> while the wild side of the rocks should entertain you and your teen. Make sure you visit Ixtaccahuite, on the other side of Puerto Angel, during your visit. It's a better place to snorkel.

Yeah, you know me. say hi to Coco. Give him a sip of your beer.

Well Gif, sorry to say but if its crazy old Coco Loco your referring to, Ill pour a swallow in the sand for him. Coco Loco is drinking Endless Free Cocktails with all the ladies on the Perfect Celestial Beach. He aint with us no more...moved on to better things. And so my mischevious Canadian friend, might I ask who you are?

Not that I'm surprised, and not that he will remember me in his new surroundings, but I'd like to know how we lost him. I've had a soft spot in my heart for him since the days when he used to wear cowboy boots that were 5 or 6 sizes too large for him.He wore them with more pride than any Texan I've met. I've been told that he arrived in Zipolite as an orphan some 25 years ago. He won and lost the heart of most people who took a moment to talk to him.

I'd love to be a Canadian. Sorry to disappoint, but I hail from Kansas. My ties with Canada are restricted to the web.

I'm the guy who served you beer on the beach a few years back, at the bar that played "Comfortably Numb" each night at sunset. The bar was named after the price of the beer.

Ring a bell?

I tried sidestep & found the best fares yet. On Aviasca Airlines $318.00 OW from LA all the way to Oaxaca, You do have to make connecting flights from 1st LA To Monterrey then Monterrey to Mexico City , then MC to Oaxaca, then a OW flight on a regional carrier, Aerotucan to Puerto Escondido for another $100.00., guess I will be taking a bus down to Zipolite, If anyone has more or alternate info, please post it, Please don't contact direct, I just got rid of a ton of spam.

Hope to see you all soon Spencer

Well, anyone coming from Texas needs to check the links at the top of the "What's New" section of this website. There are some real steals coming out of San Antonio and some pretty good deals out of Houston. But the season is almost over and the routes will be done...

Well Gif, Im not sure how he died. Ive asked a few people and they just shrug. I dont think it was anything dramatic like getting run over by a camioneta or anything. The impresion I get is that it was just...Too Much Fun. My favorite Coco era was when he was carrying that toy cap pistol for awhile and would wave it around menacingly when he was really lit. I miss the guy. Seems like alot of the serious crazys that used to always be wandering around here are gone...its almost becoming respectable. the pueblo is actually naming all the weird little sand streets and alleys and putting up street signs. Talk at the recent town meeting was about paving everything. Progress, I guess...

Bartender...comfortably numb....I dunno, man, Im stumped. frigging hot down here!

hola mi nombre es laetitia no hablo sobre tres muy bien espanol y soy tiene la investigacion de busquedar para mi amigo tristan quien es frances cuyo no mas noticias las que tengo durante diez meses.el es la importacion de tres que ello encuentro se que el vive tiene mazunte o alreador se que esto vivio con una mexicana que se llama melina y que el tiene una casa desde la playa de mazunte o zipolite por favor alguien puede darme la informacion tiene a su sujeto quiero saber si alguien ello conoce o ello tien encontrado por favor ayudeme porque soy desesperada desde francia porque el no retransmite mas a mensajes sobre internet no tengo ningunas otras soluciones que ustedes...... por favor alguien puede hacer la investigation de busqueda para mi sobre el terreno de mazunte por favor........ muchas gracias..... laetitia

Hi there Joan. You will be happy to know that there is now an internet office in Mazunte...on the road to Rinconcita!! Hi from Helen and Tony (We live at Playa Rinconcita)

Wow! Wish that internet was there two summers ago when I was staying at Rinconcita! I was dating someone in Colorado and thought I was in luuuuvvvv..I have long since broken up with him. But I went at least every other day in the heat and humidity of August to Zipolite to e-mail him. Though I don't know, hard to picture an internet place on that road! Changes, changes!

Zoe

Helen & Tony, Yikes! Hard to believe. Who opened it? One of the locals or an ex-pat? The internet arrives before a paved road or telephones!

Hope you guys are well. I miss Rinconcita like crazy. Give my best to one and all, and I'll see you in a few months.

Joan

What?

Has anyone seen Felipe / Phillipe from Quebec? He used to work at 6 Peso Bar/ Iguana Azul in Zipolite. I'm eager to reach him because I have some news about our mutual friend, his best friend from childhood from Quebec, and my friend from Banff since 1987. It's really important that I reach Felipe. Thanks.

Laetita is looking for a Frenchman named Tristan who is supposed to be in Zipolite but is not communicating with the folks back home. Would someone in the Zipolite area PLEASE go find Tristan and get him to lay Leatita's worries to rest?

When I was visiting Stacy in December a wonderful person, Sam, was there. She gave me her business card when I left, and I have lost the card, does anyone have Sam's e-mail address, or, better yet---Are you there Sam? Please e-mail me I'd love to hear from you, Be Well! Stacy's Mom!!!

felipe's usual pattern is to be in kerrville, texas for the music festival starting the last weekend of may for three weeks.

Since the Dead and Merle Haggard are scheduled for Willie Nelson's picnic (July 4 & 5, in Spicewood, and hour from Austin), he may stay longer in Texas I'd think. 'Course, Rod Kennedy's Kerrville thing is a lot more for folksy folk...

I'm in Austin so I'll keep an eye out for him. I'll see y'all in June.

Gunter [%sig%]

Does anyone know what happened to our tragic friend, Coco?

HI Joan. The Internet Office is being run by the same people that have Ziponet and also another one in Pochutla. Sure is handy. Internet with no phone lines?...you bet. Thanks to a satelite. Helen

My girlfriend and I will be visiting the 13th-21st of June and are looking for a good spot to explore the coast in that region. We are from Portland, Oregon. Is the place available? We would need a cost for the rent and any other information you feel is necessary. We appreciate it! Thank You, Tannen

Hi I was wondering what the rates are per week in the last weeks of August and how far it is from the beach.

The info is within the thread. Look for my posts.

small world! i am living in austin and from kerrville. the folk fest sounds bunk this year...they have judy collins haha

Yup, here I am, very happy to be able to contact you and Stacy again Sue. Thanks for thinking of the Zipolite page !. Any other lost friends who fancy getting intouch with Sam Mace....Sahaja, drop us a line on the page. all love to all Zipolite lovers. Sahaja

For all Coco Loco fans.......it would seem as if he got into a rather heated arguement one evening outside the back of Zipolipas.....his regular stamping ground......and was stabbed.......he staggered off a little way down the road and fell over, everyone thought he was drunk as usual and left him alone.....until they noticed a growing pool of blood around him. As to who was the guilty party....?....you know Zipolite, there are so many conflicting reports flying around that I have given up even trying to find out the truth.....if indeed there is one !.

Just be in peace that dear old Coco Loco is in a far far better frame of mind these days !.

he is burried next to another of the beach's main personalities....El Poncho who also met his end on The Beach Of The Dead.

The 'panteon' is at the top of the paved road going uphill from behind the Pharmacy on the main road in from 'Poopchutla'......go up and visit, memories and a spectacular view.......

i thought i was the only one who refered to pochutla as poop-chute-la. guess not.

zipolite is a great place where to write songs. i am a guy from oklahoma originally who writes songs. i am just finishing up the writing of thirteen songs for a new album. of course, i will record it as usual and as usual have it set on a shelf with the other 'albums' i've done. you'd be doing yourself a favor by coming down, holing up and writing some songs.

Hola, Por favor.....Have you heard that there are new rooms/cabanas built, catering to the rich Mexican tourist...$40 a night...someone who just arrived mentioned this in an email...they are in between the Shambhala and Alquimista....what's the scoop?? Details or Photos....Anyone???

Amiga

Hola, I was there last January and there was nothing of size located between Alquimista and Sha-la-la-labamba. There is not much room there to construct anything, there were a few rough looking cabins and there were some nice places just before Gloria's entrance. BTW, I paid $35 US for a third floor room at El Paraíso for New Year's Y2K. I asked the señorita who runs the place what it cost on my last visit, $P350 was her reply. I was surprised that in 2 years the price had not gone up. BTW-2 This place has beautiful tiled rooms with elec, hot water, balcony, and private bath (bring your own toilet seat). It was well worth the price. Buena suerte

Hi! Amiga hope you can help me have you seen or know my nephew francisco from houston about 20 years old choppy spanish (hopfully getting better at it ) stays close to roca blanca before shambala tell him his tia frances says hi and drop me a line if he would to say he's o.k. Gracias [%sig%]

the best place to stay with all you need in a luxurious house is in Puerto Angel next to the light house. If you are interested i can email you some pictures of my house with 5 bedrooms, 5 bathroom, swimming pool, jaccuzi and a lot more. thanks....

Amiga...I just got back from Zip on the 25th of Mayo...and, yes there are seven new and higher-end free-standing cabanas rented out by El Alquemista. They are located between Lo cosmico and the restaurant El Alquemista, being also owned by Marcello (Argentinian). Apparantly a nice local woman rents them, and their website is in the works complete with photos and booking info. These cabanas are lovely, each with thier own bathroom and have hot and cold running water, a large bed under a mosquito net, fans and a huge hammack (matramonio) on the front deck of each unit. I understand they are around 400 pesos/night and you would do well to book them in advance, as they were all full the whole month I stayed. Some people I met who stayed there said they are seriously world class...new, clean and all about Location...Location...Location!! Cheers, Stacey

Hey all, this seems like a very friendly and informative place, I have a few questions for you all :) My husband and I are flying in to Puerto Escondido around the end of June =) We are planning to show up in Mazunte and stay about a week....most likely at Alta Mira. Money is not really an issue, but I am wondering how we are going to get to Mazunte from PXM. A taxi from the airport? Is it the sort of thing that should be planned ahead, or can we just grab one? We travel light and are willing to share. Also our return flight is pretty early in the am, 11! Will it be difficult to arrange transport from Mazunte to PXM in the morning? Would it be wiser to stay the night in puerto then? Haha I said a few questions didnt' i! Well it's the worrying woman in me :) I'm so looking forward to this trip, especially after reading what others have had to say. Also, just for future reference, would Hautulco have been the smarter choice to fly into? Thanks in advance =) I will be sure to come back and tell youi all about our experience ~Lorissa

Was this coco john from Zipo? His girl friend was called baby-cakes? Did he have dred-locks and an emaciated face?

No my friend, we are talking about the one and only Coco Loco, the little old Mexican guy who had lived the last 15 years or so in Zipolite causing chaos and havoc wherever he went......he must have been in his 50s when he died although he looked like he was a good deal older.......... ......your chum with dreadlocks sounds like an interesting character too...........but what on earth is anyone doing with a girl called 'baby-cakes'..........?, the mind boggles !. Ah and by the way, I first heard the nickname of Poop-chutla from Hugal the wonderful Austrian artist who frequently spends his winters down at the beach.........aparently it was the kids from the UMAR who coined that phrase.

Are John and Babycakes still around?

Huatulco is easy to fly into, and much quicker and cheaper to Mazunte from there. Maybe collectivo from airport (walk out gate to road) to junction, and cab it on to Mazunte or San Augustanillo, or just cab it it's cheap. I like Mexico Lindo y Que Rico at the west end of San Augustanillo. Probably best swimming beach is there. Cabs are all over and start early no problema. You will make the taxista's day with a fare from airport to Mazunte or SA. They are not expensive. Watch the speedo in the cab, due to local phenomenon you will always be travelling the same speed. 0.

There is a chauffeur in Mazunte called Bartolomeo. His car is in good shape. He will drive you to the airport for a reasonable amount. He lives on the road to Rinconcito, on the right hand (going toward the beach) side just past El Arbol. Any local will know where to find him.

Gracias!! I appreciate the info.

no hay . para vivir tranquilo es perfecto, para lo demas no hay nada, ni de servicios basicos ni de posibilidad de trabajo.

la neta

My new goal in life is to befriend the lovely person renting one of the expensive rooms behind El Alquimista--my favorite bar in the world. Canb't wait to see everyone in a couple of weeks.

dg [%sig%]

i know who you are talking about. this john and babycakes. i haven't seen 'stateside' john ('stateside', because that was his opening line as he approached easy gringo marks to be hustled). i did see babycakes not too terribly long ago in oax. city. she recognized me because she glared back at me with a bitter hatred. (not that she would have reason to loathe me, that is just the way it is when a hustler is spotted for what he/she is) she looked better than normal though. i used to describe her as a 'burned faye dunnaway'. ok, now THERE'S reason to hate me.

I used to think she was a mute until they hustled a Guatemalan couple. She chirped like a canary. Right up until the moment "The Sting" was completed, then she clammed up again and I never heard another word out of her. I think it had something to do with Opium. She was probably hot once upon a time. Someone should tell him to stay out of the sun........

I believe they were more interested in coca. I've donated many a book to John over the years to keep him going between bumps. What restaurants are open at this time of year? Yes san Cristobal, La Choza, El Alquimista and the other big regulars, but have any new places opened up in the past year that I musyt try?

Frisbee Dave [%sig%]

Try the Comedor Alex, near the Farmacia on the main road just after the turn off to Lola´s, great food, normal prices and great atmosphere and off the beach....

I have not been to Zipolite for 5 or 6 years. Is Tao Ziploite still there? In the past I've stayed in Puerto Angel but the Tao looked my style and the owner was cool. I am going in November and am looking for a place for about 10 dollars. Is this still possible? Also I remember Lola's had one nice 2nd storey room with bath etc. Does anyone know what that would cost? I was in Maruata, Michoacan last year if anyone needs info on that part of the coast. Gracias!

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A few years back I met a gentleman who was developing a school for pregnant girls on the road just past Mazunte I believe. I think his name is Fransisco. He was often seen with his lovely daughter. Is he still around? Is the school flourishing?

David [%sig%]

Wayward girls? <perk>

could you email me with the pictures, prices and availabilty for July? thanks Jens [%sig%]

Hi : Has anybody seen Andreas, he hangs around puerto angel, and zipolite and pochutla. His brother fixes cars in pochutla. He has been there for 3 years, and I have to get in contact with him, he was supposed to build a cabin for me, or at least the sketches. Let me know if you have seen him. I hope he has not drowned in his 10 pesos a coke bottle filled with mezcal.

Yes,I do know that coca john split to state-side and was found by the police in NY. They ran is SS# and found him wanted on a sm coca charge in FL. Statue of limitation got him freed and when legally back to Zipo to find his "babycakes". She was not to be found because she was doing another victim. He wanted to make some money so while in Zipo Bubba from Texas told him that Austin would be a good place to hang. As we all know all Bubba's come from Texas...Dave~The~Wave~~~~~~~

I hhave an amazing confirmation to Dave the wave's synopsis. Last night, at the corner of 5th and Lamar in Austin, Texas, I asaw John with a cardboard sign begging for money. I kept my head down. As I watched someone gave him the remains of a box of pizza and he accepted it with a bit of reluctance. He looked a lot healthier than the last time I saw him. Marina was nowhere in sight. I'll be in Zipolite in a few days. Dave the Rave [%sig%]

Maybe that was my fantasy.

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Hi there, name is Jesse, and I´m drivin down to Zipolite on wednesday. I´m from Canada and I rented a car while in Mexico. I have been going to several places and I am now in Acapulco. Zipolite was mentioned by my landlord here and we decided to go (2 couples). I was also warned about robberies and stuff that happens there. I am not really worried about myself I am worried about the car since mexican rental policy is a little bit strict if you ask me. So if anyone can tell me a bit about being cautious I would luv it. Finally I wanted to ask where are the best cabins located hehehe. Thanks for helping out and I will make sure to try meet you guys and thank you for your help while there with a nice shrimp feast hehehehe L8r and cya soon!

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Park it at La Choza.

The topes are going to drive you crazy. Personally I would just take the bus. It's not a bad ride from Acapulco...I've done it about 4 times....I am from Canada too! (Vancouver). Don't drive at night!

Take John's advice ...he would know best.

As for best cabins...what's your price ....you'll pretty much have your pick...it's aparently veeeerrrryyyy dead right now...

Someone wrote me they were staying at Cosmico for $10 a night... There are apparently some very fancy high end places...$40 a night near Alquimista. Alquimista is an excellent restaurant.

Stay AWAY from the campground!

Abborates Esmerlda has nice, clean reasonable rooms. I think you'll have your pick of the crop, so to speak. Just walk the beach and ask. Perhaps start at the far end(Shambhala) and work back...give you a good idea of what's happening. Alquimista is just below Shambhala.

Anyways have fun and write about your adventures later okay. Missing Zip, Tina

Thanks for the response guys. I´m from a small town near Niagara Falls (Thorold) I already took note where to park (THX John) And about where to stay I guess that getting there early will do in order to make a choice. And Tina topes are insane but trust me we could use some near the Falls for all those americans that dont understand what kms are yet...hehehe. Thanks again, and cya soon

So, what is the problem at the Campground?

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The camping at Fernando´s, at the beginning of Zipolite, on the Lola´s end, is excellent. I have lived there on and off for 7 years, it is absolutely safe and clean and cheap. It is safer than the camping in the Roca Blanca end. Enjoy!

Hi Stacy, I have never heard of Fernando's. How much is it per night?

The campground is a great place to stay. Very reasonably priced and the little outdoor shower is quite nice. Beware of coconut bombs. They land with a thud that will definitely make you jump if your sleeping to close to the trees.

Que paso amigos. I'm thinking about heading down to the Zipo-PuertoAngel area in late July for my honeymoon. I've never been down there in the in the middle of summer before and wanted some heads up on what to expect weather-wise. I know its always been really comfortable at night in late Sept. to Nov. Also, what is the story with the new higher-end accomodations? I usually camp at Fernando's but wouldn't mind splurging a bit on this occasion.

Gracias para ayudar.

Hola amiga, At Fernando´s campground, also known as La Palmera, they charge $15/person per night for water, etc., $15 pesos for your tent space (1 or 2 person, megatents are more), and $15 for your vehicle. For large campers and trailers they charge by the size, the use of electricity, etc.

The shadiest part is under the almond trees.....and yes, be careful for falling cocos, never camp or put your hamaca where a coco can fall on you, especially now with wind and rain, it can be dangerous. It is getting green and lush, there may be more mosquitoes, and certainly a great night show of fireflies. It is cooler and less sticky than the beach. It is peaceful and quiet at night..... and yes, there are quite a few chickens that make noise in the morning, welcome to Mexico, get used to it, enjoy it, or go somewhere else and be a complaining, annoying tourist....¡viva Mexico y los gallos locos de Fernando!

Marcos is the camp helper/guard/worker, speaks a little English and German, nice guy, can help you with anything you need. Sylvia has a great fruit and vegetable store in front of the campground, and the beach is just a quick walk across the street. I highly recommend the Comedor Alex as a restaurant, good and reasonably priced, it is where many of the locals go....it is on the road around the corner near the Farmacia.

There is a lot of space, the bathroom and showers are clean and use fresh well water, and it is absolutely safe. The beach is not safe for your possessions, though it is not necessarily dangerous either, good judgement is key. Some park with Carlos and Sarah, near La Volantina, on the Lola´s side. I have heard good and bad about the campground in the Roca Blanca near El Tiberon.

There is another excellent campground in San Augustinillo, on the beach, but it has less to offer in space and no hook up for electricity I believe.

Viva Zipolite, viva la raza.....Stacy

What campground are you referring to, why is it so horrible? How much time did you spend in Zipolite, how much time have you spent in Mexico? Be careful what you know and what you assume......everyone´s experience is unique.

Tina, What campground are you referring to, why is it so horrible? How much time did you spend in Zipolite, how much time have you spent in Mexico? Be careful what you know and what you assume......everyone´s experience is unique.

Thanks for your help. So far I have only two anwers ...I´m gratefull, yet I found a model already. I´m still searching so I´ll keep in touch. garroshe.

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Hola a todas!

For the past 8 years or so, I have visited Mexico 2 or 3 times a year. Usually the typical tourist destination, Cozumel, Zihua, Vallarta... This November, I wish to do something a bit different. An internet friend suggested Puerto Escondido/Zipolite. He also agreed to meet up with me there if I do go (he is from Mexico City).

I read up on the area, and it sounds like a great experience. I have pretty much decided to give it a try. I'm hoping to be there for about 10 days. I do, however have a few questions I hope y'all can help me with. First and foremost is money. What do you recommend? Travellers checks, tyme card, cash? And how much to take to enjoy myself as well as provide for the neccesities (food, shelter, beer)? What type of security is available for valuables? Do I need to carry everything with me 24/7?

Also, I am allergic to seafood. I understand this to be a staple of the area. Will I have problems finding sufficient places to ingest chicken, pork and beef? I also try and tithe the cost of my trip to local charities, preferably educational ones. Any suggestions as to worthy groups?

I would definitely appreciate any feedback/advice anyone can give me on these questions. If you are there in November, I will gladly repay your help in cerveza.

Thanks in advance!

-heimdahl-

I'm planning on visiting Mazunte/San Agustinillo area in early August. How hot should I expect it to be? I like heat, and don't really mind humidity, but will I regret staying at Alta Mira without a fan (I'm assuming that no electricity means no fans)? Also, should I bother to make a reservation? Oh, one other thing, can anyone recommend an on the beach place to stay? Thanks for the help.

I stayed in Mazunte in August and September, part of the time at Alta Mira. It's pretty darn hot and humid! Depends what your tolerance is. Walking up the hill (I was the very top room before the restaurant) was intense and you were soaked in sweat by the top. Sleeping wasn't easy. I would lay out in the hammock until I was ready to sleep. Might have been better if I was comfortable to leave the door open, but as I was a woman alone I wasn't. All in all, it was intense heat/humidity and I probably wouldn't do it that time of year again. But the place was so beautiful I don't regret having been there and loved it while I was (Does that make sense?) Zoe

Someone just wrote me asking if I knew this film and where it was made "y tu mama tambien" Can anyone help? they need the answer by monday!!! Thanks!!!

The movie was filmed in huatulco...the beach they camp at is cacaluta...

Thanks so much! I let the person know.

Is it any good?

Yeah, right.

You could seduce me to "model on the nude", could I get a foto of her just to make sure?

I thought is was excellent, a highly sexual sensual, emotional, hilarious tradgedy; a bit like Mexico.

I was curious myself, and went searching for info about it on the web, I couldn't find anything about it on the actual official website but I found a review that made it sound really interesting. I am going to check it out when I find it.

Hola!.. I am planning on making a trip down to zipolite *my frst to Oaxaca* , puerto angel and I was wondering if Anybody whos been down there recently could tell me what to expect.. hows the weather like in early july?? Whats the price ranges for places to stay.. i LOVE the idea of cabanas but i've heard so many horror stories about them not having locks and having things being stolen. (i'm up for cabanas, rooms etz) ANd if there are any places down there that teach surfing other then in puerto escondido. (prices and places to stay for that place too) I'd appreciate the HElp and Advise! tHanks ANd take care ~Elvira

Everything you have heard is basically true about zipolite...Every mexican basically hates anyone with white skin, they think gringos are nothing but dollar signs and smile and shuffle around and pretend they are friendly when the basics are this. They hate europeans and americans. Mexicans are liars and thieves and you cannot trust any of them as far as you can throw them...A mexican man will say or doing anything to **** a gringa physically and mentally...Zipolite is a beautiful place if you realize that it is paradise if you dont involve yourself with the mexicans who will drain every peso out of you until the well is dry...Remember mexican men treat their wifes like slaves and cant believe that white women will shed their clothes so easily and freely...Take this place for what it is, gorgeous, sumptuous, a raw piece of nature populated by the wrong people...They would just as soon eat a turtle than save it...Remember this is a first generation of people who are wearing shoes and not shitting on the street. Through the luck of the lottery they have been planted like cabbage into one of the most beautiful places on earth...Date one of these pigs at your own risk for he is lying to you no matter what he says and most likely has a wife and kids stashed away somewhere...Enjoy...Danny

You forgot to put suntan protection on your neck, danny.

I fail to understand why anyone who feels this way about Mexico and Mexicans would bother to go there at all. Let alone hang out on a post with other people who come here because they love the place and the people and want to have even the smallest contact through cyberspace with others who feel the same way when they can't be there for real.

There are plenty of beautiful beaches in the U.S. and in Europe where everyone looks exactly like you. Though personally I would appreciate your bypassing California.

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Alabama sounds perfect for you and your kind, Danny. Lots of white sand and white people. You'll be right at home and far away from me.

if this is who i think, this person is not white.

What a crock of ca ca. I have many Mexican friends and they are not the racist, that this person is.

As for women dating Zipolite men, we are not stupid, we know what we are getting into.

And any impoverished uneducated person will survive anyway then can...can you blame them. Darwin's theory.

Who are you to say that this place should not be inhabited by those who are there. Who died and put you on the top of the list. Your an idiot, Danny!

They would just as soon eat a turtle than save it,...a duh...what is the Turtle Sanctuary all about!

Remember this is a first generation of people who are wearing shoes and not shitting on the street(What???) Go home you jerk! You don't belong in Zipolite!

Have you ever heard of being on a higher level...well your on the lowest rung...lower than all the people you just voiced your opinion about.

David: I thought that was mine?

Well, here I go again wading into a thread that should be allowed to die. Silly me. Obviously, Danny had a bad experience on Zipolite that has stimulated his natural xenophobia. Either that or he's really just trying to scare people away to keep it "his" place. But beneath all the layers of bullshit lies some important considerations. First, Amiga, not every single woman who goes to Zipolite knows "what she is getting into." Were that true, the Zipolite giggolos would be much fewer in number and their families would be in even more dire straights. And yes, nearly all of them are married with children to whom they return when the hostess returns to her homeland. And there are some "bad apples" on Zipolite who prey even more directly on careless tourists. Not all of them are Mexican. Most of the worst are seasonal, coming in from DF and elsewhere to con and/or rob. Zipolite citizens are often victims of these guys. That said, the vast majority of folks living on Zipolite are fine people, the kind of people you WISH your neighbors were.

As for the turtle thing: some folks are very resistant to new ideas and the very concept that they could be destroying their own environment, depriving future generations of the wherewithall to have a valuable and rewarding life. In the US we call them Republicans. In Zipolite, they're still eating turtle eggs. I've never been down and NOT been offered some. You'll also find some restaurants still serving longosta with eggs on the tail. Check it before you eat it and then stop patronizing restaurants serving "shorts" (tiny ones) or egg-bearing females.

Hi John, Points valid and well taken. And after I posted I realized that I over-reacted and thus put myself on a lower level.

What was so frustrating is that the comments he made were such a generalization. This person that is writing is supposedly very educated(I believe) as I have exchanged emails and so I was shocked that he would write such terrible things. Perhaps not every woman that goes to Zipolite is prepared...but any woman traveling thru Mexico, knows what Mexican men are all about. I think that it bugs a lot of men, that women would seek out sexual adventures with Zipolite men...or Mexican men...just my opinion.

As for turtles, well when people are not educated and impoverished, it's pretty hard to explain about saving the environment...try telling someone whose kids are hungry, why you shouldn't kill or sell something so you can feed them. I'm not saying what they do is right, but when you visit a foreign place you have to try to respect the people and environment.

There are definitely some bad apples in Zipolite, but I believe if this person read up on Zipolite, and had been warned, as I believed that person was...there is no reason to post such nasty things....and not generalize and say everyone there is like that.

And like Zoe and the others said, if this person doesn't like it, leave. But as I believe, this person is also impoverished to a certain extent and trying to survive there....well that's pretty hard, for a number of reasons I won't get into.

That's all!

I watched it the other night. Great movie. The director blew me away! What's his other one called? Something about a "Pero". I've been told that it's even better.

Hey have you seen the new website www.zipolite.net CostaChica Check out this story http://www.costachica.net/zipolite/english/index.html Pretty humourous I thought!!!

Wait a minute, that link doesn't take you directly there, ...so click Art and you'll see about the story...

Points well taken. Particularly the one about some men being bothered, even threatened, because some gringas go to Zipolite fully intending to live out some fantasies, including sexual ones, with the local men. Usually such a reaction occurs with someone who isn't getting real-life fulfillemnt and having trouble with a woman enjoying the kind of freedom he wishes that he had. But at the same time, I've spoken with some women who have been devastated on learning that the long haired bronze beauty was just loving them as his means of supporting his family. Not to mention that this behavior reinforces the belief on the part of many Mexican men that all norteñas are promiscuous. This further increases the odds that mistakes will be made and that otherwise "innocent" women will be treated in undesirable ways...

As for the bitterness being caused by a desparate struggle for survival, Zipolite is no longer the easiest place in North American to "slacker by" in. Panama may be cheaper.

"amores perros" "y tu mama tambien" both movies are good. there will be even better movies comming out. oaxaca is going to be my next paradise city.

pon un anuncio en el periodico.

put an ad in the local paper. most locals are very nice and may help you find your friend.

why pay? ive got ways to stay and eat for very little. anywhere you go. you all should find your own ways.. im telling you this because thats the best way to enjoy a vacation on the land of the "cloud people".

best wishes to you all.

if any of you go to Mitla, look up Senora Gloria Olivera. the sweetest and most lovable woman you can find there. and buys some things from her.

Hi, mathew, sorry for the spelling, iam from Spain, and i arrived from Zipolite (Oaxaca) a month ago, now iam in England (ive been here for six years now) and last year i went to Mexico for a month, i felt in love with the place and i spent one yesr in zipolite, ive got many friends now there and ive got a friend that has a beautiful house in Zipolite (actually he is selling the house), but in the meantime he rents it, i need to check his website becouse the other day a friend of mine told me that the house is on the internet so, maybe you can see the pictures, i will let you know as soon as get the information. Angeles.

Whenever traveling in Mexico, the ubiquitous ATM card is your best bet. The conversion rate on a bank-affiliated ATM is the Interbank rate, far better than what is available even for cash exchanges. Unfortunately, the closest ATM to Zipolite is in Pochutla, so you'll probably need to get 1,000 pesos at a time to save trips. (A little under $100us). Get some small change at the bank as "No hay cambio" is the most commonly heard phrase in any Oaxacan coastal business. The rule of thumb for travel, even to Zipolite, is to take twice the money and haldf the clothes you think you'll need. Figure a simple room at someplace fairly nice like La Choza at about ten bucks a night. Figure twice that to eat, a bit more if you drink. If you seek herbal refreshment, it's cheap, cheap, cheap.I recommend La Choza because your valuables WILL be safe in Sergio's lock room - but that is true for most of the better places. If you take a camera or a boombox to the beach and leave it on the sand while you frolic in the water, expect it to be gone when you come back. Fact of life. Between the Roca Blanca section - where La Choza is, by the way - and the older section of Zipolite is a school for handicapped children known as Piña Palmera. It is worthy of your largess. There is a link in the Main Menu to their website. Check it out.

"any woman traveling thru Mexico, knows what Mexican men are all about."

And what ARE Mexican men all about? It sounds like you're defending a people by essentially substantiating what that rednecked whoosit claimed, then asking your audience to tolerate the "faults" of these clearly stereotyped men? If this is the case, I must remind that toleration isn't acceptance, nor is it devoid of racism. Racism is insidious, and the most effective and relatively guilt-free way of maintaining racism is to tolerate "them." "They" can be blacks, homosexuals, or any other marginalized group, including, I guess, Mexican men. But by "tolerating them," we imply that there is some kind of inherent fault that needs to be tolerated. And that's pretty yuck.

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Does anyone know of a Mexican woman by the name of "Mida" in Zipolite? Probably only 5 feet tall, skinny and muscular.

David Gunter, Did you ever work for a brokerage firm?

Well, Shelly, problem is that your position doesn't really allow for the <sometimes huge> cultural difference that abound. Mexico IS a culture rife with "machisimo." Many Mexican men DO seek out extra-marital relationships, often on a ritualized and formalized basis. The retaliation for this behavior is sometimes referred to the "cult of Sancho." And much of the interplay between Mexican men regarding touristas and their behavior comes straight out of a 1960's high school locker room.

Great riff John.

Has anyone stayed at or been to the Posada Las Mazuntinas in Mazunte? what's it like?? any info would be really appreciated! thanks.

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i've been down to the Oaxacan coast twice and for the next and third time i'm wanting to make this a long stay. ( three months or longer ). Can anyone give me some advice on rentals for this type of stay? Are there houses or apartments near one of the beaches ( Zipo., Mazunte, etc. )? i'm not bringing a lot of money and i don't need luxuries. Am i just better off going through one of the cabana places on the beaches? My two previous visits were rather short and i didn't get to do a lot of research on this. My spanish is pretty good and i just want to get to know the area better and spend some much needed time away from the states. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Japa, don't try to plan too far in advance. Do you have some friends among the locals? Get down there, rent a room or a hammock for a few nights, and talk. To old acquaintances. To Sergio at La Choza. To Pati or Eva at Tío Chilo's in PA. To whoever is running the washateria in Zipolite these days. You get the picture; LOCAL resources. For what you plan, anything you find out about in these threads will be over-priced and commitments you make will limit your possibilities.

Geeze, such anger...So let me get this right...It's okay to be just a little bit of a liar and just a smidgen of a womenizer and just a might bit of a thief if your poor and have three kids at home and more on the way cause you are caught in some kind of religous time warp and dont have enough guts to pull your self out of your grizzley life like millions of blacks did in hundreds of years of death and struggle in the United States to obtain freedom and their rights...I guess honesty is now considered racist. So lets see, lie and cheat every waking moment to some (and there is no such thing as an innocent women) sex hungry girl who would prefer being decieved by some brown skinned midget for a roll in the hay then honesty from him that she is no more than a paycheck and a good laugh with his buddies later when there yucking it up arounbd the life guard station. What ever happened to self respect. And one other thing, this doesnt only envolve targeted women, these men, who are supported by all of a corrupt Mexican society are supported by there women, who are equally guilty of the basic charade there lifes have decended to...The place is one basic criminal conspiracy...Somehow these wonderful people(quote) have come to think of many of us as money trees, they dont understand we have worked most of our lives and that nobody has given us anything...especially money...Execute them all...have a nice day

Nobody has given us anything? Especially money? What a joke! This is the great American lie we've been fed since we were old enough to watch the fourth of July fireworks. We are the most privileged people in the world, and our privilege, cash included, comes at the price of the poverty of other nations. Danny, take a look at the big picture and get out of your insulated American bubble. Just where do you think American money, and it's privileges (you may call them "rights"), comes from? Talk about a "religious time-warp"! American religion is gift-wrapped in money-money-money, and tied up in a pretty ribbon of self-righteousness and economic/cultural colonialism.

Comparing Mexico's economic situation with the experiences of African-Americans who were brought here in slavery is ludicrous. The two situations are not even remotely comparable. American influence in Mexico is in many ways overt, but in many more ways, it is quite insidious, and much harder to target, especially when it's sanctioned by the people's own government. African-Americans were uprooted, transported, and enslaved. The leaders of their own (black) communities did not support this. That's only one of many vital differences.

Besides, I don't think anybody is saying that it's okay to lie and cheat and steal from other people (although, personally, I think that the poverty and three kids at home circumstances are compelling arguments). The situation is a wee bit more complex than that. Take into account the often negative American influence on contemporary Mexican life, which when coupled with the long history Mexico has with colonization, can make for some hefty, and justly deserved, anger. Also take into account the cultural differences in gender roles in Latin America, Mexico in particular. Add a pinch of poverty, bake at a sultry beach-wave temperature, and voila! the perfect conditions for a gigolo movement. It's not "okay," it's not always justifiable, but it is understandable.

But not EVERY Mexican male is going to be involved in this kind of scam. That's like saying that all us Texans think like Our Leader. When we assume that Mexican men are gigolos, we do violence to them. It is racism. It is still racism even if we justify it through poverty or whatever, because such justifications substantiate the erroneous and stereotypical view that all Mexican men are out to make a buck by romancing some airhead American or European. And while that is the goal of some, it is not the goal of all.

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this whole gigglo thing....in my relationship with a Mexican man, ...the man actually gave me his pay each week, we paid the rent and I bought groceries and cooked. He always "asked me to dinner" and paid and would get angry if I tried....because he had "asked". I don't know about other women's relationships...but I don't know how these supposed gigglos support themselves and families off these women...because whose giving them money...can't see why a women would....I believe it is a pretty mutual exchange...a little loving for both.....for the little vacation time they are there. It happens all around the world, in every resort.... From the things posted here there are obviously some pretty mixed up, angry, uneducated souls, who should take some time out to soul search....Zipolite is the perfect place. And yes, they do see the tourists as money, but so does every store clerk that sees a customer enter the door....and if your running a business, you don't care if the person worked all there life or not...your trying to survive. Also this time of year, there is nobody there, so the people living there are going to be more desperate than at say Christmas. The last thing I guess is, who are you to judge!!!

I seem to remember a "Shelley" complaining on this board about her virtues being compromised by these same lifeguards a few monthes ago. Is that you?

If so, it's nice to see that you have returned to school to further your academic education, 'cause it didn't really work out for you in Zipolite, did it?

Keep up the writing, Shelley. But take some time away from it (and the internet) and read a few hundred more books. It will do wonders for your writing style. Don't make the common mistake of others your age: first, you gather information. Once that is processed you may have knowledge. With this knowledge and some experience, you will gain wisdom.

Until then, you will be read as the ambitious, youthful student that you are.

Someone: I agree with you wholeheartedly - social location is everything. It determines not only actions, but subsequent reactions. Generalizations like "all Mexican men do this" do nothing more than substantiate colonialist prejudices. Stan: I am not the Shelley who "had her virtues compromised" by some lifeguards.

I am a 34 year old PhD candidate and beach nut, who has read several thousand books. Because this is not an academic forum, but a discussion board for travellers of all ages, genders, ethnicities, and education levels, I'm not going to use elitist academic language and rhetorical structures. Beyond that, I am of the firm conviction that such elitism is exclusionary and hinders efforts to effect social change.

I have travelled over the years through Mexico, Guatamala, Canada, and Northern India. Unfortunately, I have not yet been to Zipolite, but I'm planning a three and a half month trip to Oaxaca and Chiapas, in order to "gather knowledge." Zipolite is one of my destinations.

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"One great criminal conspiracy?" Gosh, Danny, it sounds like Austin when the legilature is in session or Washington DC on nearly any day you could name...

Shelly, we seem in agreement on many thnings, but that "their own people" didn't conspire in the slavery of a sizable portion of the African continent is an historically inaccurate assertion.

Observations, while distorted by our inescapable perceptual filters and prejudices, nonetheless should not be confuised with "tolerance" nor "acceptance." It is an easy observation that the crime rate in the US was in decline during a period of full employment and rising minimum wages while it has gone up since the bubble. Not judgement, observation. Desparate times bring on desparate measures.

Someone, while your Mexican companion may well have been a man of honor who treated you with love and respect, you SAW plenty of the other type on Zipolite and your companion wasn't the first to approach you, either, right? Post a picture of a gathering of men on the wall in the Panteon section of Puerto Angel of an off-season evening. I suspect I could circle the pros and underline the marrieds.

Off season may be a time of more desparation on the parts of some; however, crime rates are lower because the big city predators are back home for the summer.

thanks John! japa

Hi John, Very true, I chose the man I did because he was the exception. And no I could not count the men I was approached by before...during my many visits to Mexico, ......

And yes I know that many women do not have the experience that I did, but I don't see how dating someone, buying a dinner or a couple of drinks .....enables them to support a family....unless I have misunderstood a previous post.

Disclaimer: Its just my job a little rub a little polish oh my, it must be the heat.

you got to give a little, get little, get your ass in the sling a little, thats the stoty of, thats the glory of....lust Lust is part and parcel of the Zippolite tourist experience Otherwise, there is a graveyard waiting for us all.

gg....

Wisemen say only fools rush in....

ha ha ha, thanks for cheering up this board!!! :)

stop being so slimy you vile old codgers.

haha agree with someone, at last someone rises above the know it all ****.. es la suave playa.. "I am a 34 year old PhD candidate and beach nut, who has read several thousand books. " eff off.

Luna llena sobre palmeras is particularly pretty by the way.

Does anyone have any leads on privatized land for sale in San Augustinillo or Mazunte. I've looked at stuff in huatulco, but a bit too californicanized for me.

Royce

I like you even more now, Shelley! I like your interest in this little town. I like that you are well read. I'm glad you're well travelled. I'm glad you have time for this when I know you must be very busy with your thesis.

However, until you have visited Zipolite, you should use this forum as a "gathering" tool and keep your opinions about the place to yourself. You are very quick to qualify yourself, so you should know better than to speak of things you have not experienced.

Surely that favourite professor of yours would agree.

Someone, buying a drink or dinner and doing the date thing is a very innocuous start. But I have watched this hustle a number of times over the years. Words of love and moments of passion build natural in the tropics, especially for someone on an all-too-brief vacation. The inevitable emergency with the landlord or the police or the butcher arises with the solution only a few dollars away. Intoxicated by the romance enhanced by enforced brevity and it's easy to believe. Plus it doesn't take a whole lot of dollars to turn into a sizable number of pesos. Hey, you pay for the fantasy at Disney; the one with the Zipolite giggolos is just on a bit more adult level.

The Californicatization is BECAUSE Fonatur privatized the land. As goes the ejido, so goes the neighborhood...

Hi John, It's probably a very common scenario, and truthfully, this one time...my spanish is not very good....this guy....at first I thought, he thought I was a prostitute, then I figured out he want to take me to dinner, but I still didn't understand...he wanted $10 to buy groceries,...so he could make dinner...ah duh, ya right! and I said "no thanks"...but the language issue can allow for ALL sorts of misunderstandings with all sorts of consequenses :)

Hi John, Can you explain about ejido. Tina

One of the pillars of the Revolution was Agrarian Reform. This was especially pressed by the Villistas and Zapatistas. Naturally, when the Carranchistas actually came out on top. agrarian reform was sacrificed to the benefit of the wealthy. However, states with overwhelming Indian population, like Oaxaca and Chiapas, got at least lip service in the way of land ownership for the indigenous population. Basically, the ejido is a plot held in common by the community and only members of the community are allowed ownership of ejido land. There are mechanisms for the privatization, some governmental, as what Fonatur has done in Bahias de Huatulco, some by agreement of the ejido members, as happened at Playa La Mina near Puerto Angel. A LOT of land has been privatized on the Jalisco coast in recent years. Now I know Charlie Ramos or one of the other local readers of the board are going to laugh at my rudimentary explanation and I hope that they will write a correction of any errors in my interpretation, but this is pretty well my understanding.

Indeed that is true, someone. You are who I think you are, aren't you?

Thanks, that helps because I keep hearing about it, but never quite grasp it.... So that is how a certain gringo in Zipolite can own waterfront property??? because the members of the community are allowed ownership of ejido land????

Damn, Tina, if I REALLY understood all of this, I'd be down there right now practicing real estate law between dives. But I will gladly share my ignorance. As I understand it, no non-Mexican can have clear title to ANYTHING in the exclusionary zone, which is about 50 kilometers from any border or coastline. The closest you can come is something alled a "fideocomiso" or something like that, which seems to be a cross between a 99-year lease and a trust and is administered through a bank. Further complicating the matter is the fact that beaches are considered part of the Mexican "patrimonio", and are to be accessable to the enjoyment of all Mexicans - and by extension, tourists. Ejido law seems to supercede this, at least in part. Hey, some of the stories I have heard lead me to believe that there may not be ANY legal ownership in Zipolite - and ALL that I've heard makes me think that the whole ownership question boils down to the wet dream of a sleazy lawyer - assuming anyone down there had enough money to make it worth his/her while...I know a old German who built on ejido land in Mazunte a decade ago, but he did it by marrying into the ejido and deeding everything to his step-son. Pauline blew his happy home away. As for the certain gringo to whom you refer - isn't he married to a local?

Not the one I am referring to....although perhaps he is now...but that would surprize me. What about squatters....do you know how that works. Something on a different topic. Did you ever hear about the hand, that washed up on shore. I heard a rumour it belong to an American man that bought land there, and then had big fights with it's previous owner...

And I heard that the fishermen that dive for seafood actually saw the body in the ocean and the hand was his...

All and all buying land down there ...one must be very careful I would recommend.

Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo, these poor mis understood little brown midgets, here I thought all along that character, morals, honesty and ethics met something to a man. Even though I was born poor and worked hard most of my life I now find that I was in error never becoming a liar and a thief, cause now I find exceptions to the rule here in Mexico...I got it now, stealing and thievery physically and ethically are okay if you can some how warp reality into an excuse for peoples behaviour...I guess the way most people think you can kill some one just a little and thats okay...Or steal there possessions or their hearts or in some casses their lives and its okay cause your poor...Got it folks, Being a European or Canadian or American is evil cause were from and I quote (Rich Nations) and we are just getting what we deserve and its only thievery by those that deserve the stolen loot to begin with...10-4 everybody, it's all clear now...Mexicans are in the position they are cause other Mexicans are corrupt and nobody is tough enough to cause a civil war to change it. The Americans kicked the British out. The British kicked the Vikings out and then the French and the Canadians, well they will always have Hockey...Next time your wallet is stolen dont bitch about it, remember you were warned...danny

Sounds to me like they stole more than Danny's wallet. Perhaps your girlfriend, Danny? From the sounds of you, it probably wasn't too difficult. Maybe it was your sister. Whomever it was, it sure has made you bitter, son.

You may well be onto something, Stan. Funny, you could pick almost any city in the First World, and I garauntee that there are more stolen wallets in a day than you have in Zipolite in a year. I wouldn't get stoned and leave my wallet on the shore at Canyon Lake, much less Zipolite, and expect it to be there when I came back. Somehow the brain stops functioning for some folks while on vacation. As for rebellions, the Mexican Revolution was strongly influenced by El Collossus del Norte, with us delaying it 'way past the point where it was due through our support for Díaz. Carranza was seen as the best of alternatives at the end of the fight as well and got a whole bunch o' greenbacks to help put down the more "radical elements." Since that time. we've invested a lot of money in preventing any more bloody insurrections at out doorstep. So how is Mexico supposed to pull off this rebellion you suggest, Danny? Think the Indians in Chiapas can fight the kind of equipment we'd provide the governmet?

Squatters, just the word I was looking for! A large number of the residents of Zipolite are just that: squaters. But the efforts to dispossess them of their land is in itself a legal quagmire, even for the government, so it usually takes some sort of an event - or becomming a real nuissance - before something happens.

I never heard the hand story. But unless the body was weighted down, it would have floated once the decomposition got underway; I helped in several recoveries while I was living in Puerto Angel.

Some norteños resort to what's called a "prestonombre" to buy land, which is, in effect, buying it in the name of a local. Tina, you can profess to what a stupid idea THAT is; sooner or later, there WILL be a falling out - or even a buyout of the local by coercive or non-coercive means.

Best settle for a fideocomiso and that only after you've consulted a good Mexican lawyer and developed a relationship with the banker who will handle the trust. Talking to more than one lawyer might be in order. It's worth the cost if it saves you from being a deportee with all your property confiscated. I could tell stories...

Tell a story, John.

How about the gringo who fell in love with a local girl; invested his life savings in adding a second story to her restaurant; laughed at all of us who told him that he needed to get an FM-3 or better and become "legal" - his girlfriend declined matrimony. Shortly after construction was completed, he found himself heavily fined for immigration violations and deported. Need I add that another boyfriend appeared miraculously before the dust cleared from the car taking him away? And there's plenty of folks in Puerto Angel who can confirm this story.

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Wow Danny, how long were you in Zipolite that you are able to so easily make such great generalizations about the people and the life there? Maybe you do not understand or want to except Mexican people and culture, good and bad, beautiful and ugly, for what it is. You are the one that sounds like a racist, maybe you found what you were looking for....a negative experience. You are the reason many people do not want to deal with foreigners there, especially the foreigners that live there. Be careful about what you KNOW and what you ASSUME. Anywhere in the world you can find the good and the bad, it is best not to judge but to observe, don´t you think?

I love platitudinarians. O' have a nice day! But,wait! maybe danny as something there? I have lived in zipolite for 3 months a year for 7 years. I did my humanistic "thing" with a local indio family. What I gleaned for my personal opinions is this: 1.} culture via traditions is paramount! This is this family's safety. 2.} language is also most imporant! This is also a safety. As a matter of fact this tribe speaks it's own Zapotec dialect. They talk among themselves as so no-one can understand what their saying. 3.} superstition, being afraid of all foreigners even loathing Mexican! I lived in a quagmire of sort while I tried to bring this species into a successful business mode. Before, tourist were getting sick from the food. I did not give them money directly but paid to have things done that would benefit them for years to come.

After seven wonderful years a storm came a blew my casa off the montain-side and the river filled in the wells. When I left everthing went back as before. Lesson learned "humans the world over are the same" But trying was what the lesson was about.......Not platitudes....Sorry danny maybe you should forgive and it will be forgiven to you.....Dave~the~wave~~~~~~~~~~~~~Zipolite where life is a sunny playa........

OK.. Its been almost a MONTH since I STARTED This post... IT was meant to get information on how to have a good time in zipolite.. Now I hadnt checked the postings and GOD do i feel like i Started a WHOLE BALL OF ****. TO BEGIN WITH DANny.. YOU can take your stupid F@cked thoughts on what MExican men are and what they arent. I AM NOT WHITE.. I was Born in Panama by salvadorian Parents, the Person that is going with me on this trip in less then 5 days... IS MEXICAN.. I have Utter Respect for my boyfriend/fiancee and YES generations before have been unfaithfull to their partners.. my father being one of those.. BUT you wanna know something.. I dont know why the hell EverONE Seems to think IT ONLY HAPPENS in MEXICO and THIrd world countries.. HERE IN CANADA IT happends.. READ THE STATISTICS ATLEAST 6 in 10 Couples have cheated on their partners.. MEN are possesive by nature and some of them more then others... Now .. there has been a whole lot of crap that has been put on here.. TO begin with.. I Believe now why the people of zipolite or any other place in central america dislike whites.. IF they met danny then NO WONDER.. IF your rascist and SCrewed in the head.. Stay close to home and shut ur mouth cause NO one wants to hear you.. and if possible just stop breathing all together.. cause the world doesnt need another rascist person.. they do so much damage.. ignorance hurts thank-you

Dear Danny....

Your head's so wonderfully full of ****. No wonder why a lot of Mexican people still do think Americans are nothing but white trash. Let me tell you something. I was born in Mexico, although my mother was born in the US, and I'm proud of my heritage, in fact I do prefer being called a Mexican rather than an American (sorry all you other folks posting in this same board). It's true, my country's a thirld world one, no one argues about that. Still, being a citizen of what is supposed to be "the greatest nation in the world" doesn't give you the right to treat us Mexicans like pieces of poop. Besides... not all of us are "little brown midgets" as you point out.

By the way, Danny, I hope I never get to see your sorry ass, or I swear to God I'll kick it so hard I'll get you back to good ol' Texas.

Just one question Danny, if you disliked the place and the people so much...why the **** did you go there? You should have remained at home, where people are the same as you, and you don't feel threatened by "little brown midgets" anymore. By the way...I'm Elvira's boyfriend...and she isn't white either.... *******

Mario, we've got more than our share of assholes here in Texas, particularly when our unelected ruler is in residence. Kick him into Arizona instead, OK?

A friend just told me that the scene with the dancing on the beach toward the end of the movie was filmed at a location in Zipolite...

Oh hell, I kinda promised myself I would not intrude into this lunacy, but maybe it's the approaching 4th of July that makes me want to vent a little...Now, about Danny, from his post you can tell that he is as dumb as one, full of half-baked generalizations about others he's knows little about. Certainly, he seeks to provoke others with his flames, and, obviously he has. That said, may I point out that Danny is going to be the way he is for the rest of his life and there is nothing you, I or anyone can do to him that is worse than that. Regarding his experiences, if any, in Mexico, please recall the wise slogan of the travel book, The Peoples Guide to Mexico, which fits Danny well: "Wherever you go, there you are".

Finally, a little observation, about the ethnic tags used in this thread, may I point out to you all that while wine and shirts may be described as "white", people do not have the attributes of crayons and I think we really should strive to evolve from giving them to each other. In reality, we all have that unique human attribute that separates us from the other species on the planet, we can love another human more than ourselves and act accordingly. Even Danny boy has it. However his pipes have apparently never gotten close to those high notes. Blessings and love to all.

Amen, Alan.

The dancing on the beach toward the end of the movie was filmed at San Agustin that is another Bay in Huatulco and Cacaluta was the first beach they arrived... You should see these beaches they are beautiful and San Agustin is really good for snorkeling...

Japa!! write me to my email and I'll give you all the perfect information for you!!

Hola, I'm considering another road (my fourth) to the Puerto Angel/Zipolite area beginning the first week of August. I will be driving a small station wagon with room for one passenger (maybe two?). The route is from Iowa down I-35 and I planto stay 7 to 10 days on the coast. My plans are flexible, I just need to get my soul back. If anyone is interested let me know. Travel expense will be around $150 - $200 RT. Xoyo

Hey, show yo - ya serious? What dates? Email me direct and lets talk...At the very least, I'll spot you a tall glass of iced tea and maybe a bit of lunch as you pass through Austin.

Hi, My name is Bill, and I did Gloria's web site at http://www.advantagemexico.com/zipolite -- anyway, I have been going CRAZY here and was considering going down to Zipolite and slumming for a while. But I really want to go ASAP.

I live in Arizona, and was planning on flying into Puerto Escondido (bus from there). But if someone was driving I would be up for the ride. Last year I only made the drive down to Puerto Vallarta before running out of money and had to come back.

e-mail me your phone number and we will talk, cause I was going to look for a flight as soon as this Friday -- (If anyone else is driving sooner please let me know ASAP -- before I am locked into a flight)

Hi there, Thanks for your offer of some helpful information. my email is address is: japati7@yahoo.com thanks again, j.

My father owns a hotel Posada Brisa Marina and a couple of apartments in Zipo. His name is Daniel and he is American. His phone number calling from the States is 011 52 958 58 43193. Hope this helps.

Thanks Dara

Hmmm...a bunch of random people meet up in an internet message board and plan a trip to the beach. Sounds interesting and I'm really bored. I'd be interested in this endeavor: so if you need a Mexican to tag along, excellent. I live in Mexico City, but this rainy season is getting to me. Time for some sun.

My mom told me not to deal with strangers...but they always did have the best candy! If Mexico City is too far out of the way, how about just meeting at the beach?

Elvira, in answer to your original question, the "Costa Chica" is a wonderful place to visit, from Huatulco to Puerto escondido there are beaches for all styles of travelers. In Zipolite you will find hotels and cabañas that lock, bring your own lock to place in ones that do not provide them, but you can find good secure lodging in Zipolite, just arrive arly enough to have time to browse. 15 minutes north from Zipo lay San Agustinillo and Mazunte fishing villages, they are smaller than Zipo and have beautiful clean beaches, only 300 peaople in San Agustinillo, Mazunte a bit larger both have lots to offer. I have lived in the area for 4 years and I prefer a slower pace, check those destinations out. In response to the stream of strange stuff your simple request generated all I have to say is...Wow...all you wanted was info on a nice lockable cabaña!. You can find anything here, good and bad, I am Mexican and proud of it. We are humans with faults and qualities, just like the rest of humanity. How limiting to box and label people. Come on down and enjoy our little piece of paradise! it's beautiful,raw and inexpensive, send me an e-mail when you're here and I'll invite you guys a cold beer!. <Or I will be glad to answer any other questions regarding the area. Sol

Hola Alain, You can assure your mom that I am a harmless stranger who, at my age, might be interested in her but certainly not you. This bulletin board has enough trouble getting one post a day let alone support a stranger of danger. There have been occasional sex trolls or potential father-rapers but they either get ignored or laughed off. My main incentive for asking for a travel companion was to share the driving as it is brutal. Sharing expenses is a nice plus but I would be a f#@king idiot to drive all the way to Mexico City to kidnap you and your mom when I could probably find a nice Mexican gal right here in my lttle Iowa hog-packing town. Believe me it would be a lot cheaper! However, I'm not the kind of man that pays for sex. I would rather invest my soul, gadjillion$s of dollars, and the rest of my life for a woman that doesn't give a rats as in whether I'm horny or not. Pues, if you are traveling from DF you should just take the bus as it would have air-con and more comfortable seats than my car. Quizas podamos juntar en Zipo por una caguama. I'll keep you posted anyway. Xoyo [%sig%]

Hey, show yo', free sex is a contradiction in terms. Like military intelligence, jumbo shrimp, government worker, political honesty, legal ethics. In fact, there's NOTHING more expensive than free sex. And HOW old is mom, Alain?

Who said being slimy was bad? As far as being an old codger, well, you got me there.

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No, that would be my evil twin.

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It's not the heat, it's the stupidity.

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Sol, I've always heard the coast from Salina Cruz through Puerto Escondido referred to as the "Costa Esmeralda" while "Costa Chica" was used for the area west of Puerto Escondido; in particular, the fascinating "Afro-Mexican" area with the round huts. Have I been mis-lead and then perpetuated the bad information?

Well, the former Atheletic Director at my Alma Mater pointed out once that he'd known me since I was 13, and that I was a dirty old man THEN. Maybe it's just a Central Texas thing. Or a North Central Austin thing? What part of topwn are you from, David?

The impression I get from these posts is that it would be fairly safe and easy for me to get from Austin to Zipolite and hang out for a week or two. I would take only a change of clothes, a money belt, a toothbrush and my cheap ukulele. With my present-tense-only Spanish I could get a cabana on the beach with a hammock and keep myself in seafood and beer for, say, $20/day. Is this accurate?

I have traveled inside Mexico only to Zacatecas once, for a week I was able to get around fine and mostly felt safe. I know the bus ride would be VERY long, but I can't afford to fly.

Is there anything else I need to know? What about passports and that sort of thing?

Thank you all so much for sharing your experiences and insights - this is a great forum.

David

David, $20 bucks a day is possible; a room is under ten but food is a little pricey. You'll probably end up going into Puerto Angel some to eat more cheaply. Prob'ly want to get your beer at the grocery rather than the bars if you want to keep your costs down. Grab that daily departure to Monterrey over at the Ceasar Chavez exit on I-35, right next to Roy's Taxi HQ. In Monterrey, take a primera classe or if you've got a few extra bucks, an Ejecutivo class bus to Mexico City, You'll change terminals there - take a cab or a bus - and grab the overnight to Pochutla, From Austin, you're about 37 hours away by bus if you get lucky on your connections. If you miss one, pull out your map and re-route. Email me direct if you want some more suggestions. ATM card is the way to handle your money, but the closest ATM machine to Zipolite is in Pochutla. Beats the old days; when I was living in Puerto Angel, the closest ATM's were Santa Cruz and Puerto Escondido!

Sabes ando buscando mi hijo I am looking for mi son, Ricardo Pizarro. He wanted to rent a house in Zipoleti, to an Italian guy. This is a week a go, about ten days ago I had the last e-mail. Is there a place where I can contact some one and ask? THANKS for any information about him...........July 16...2003

I live in East Austin next to Morris Williams golf course. I'm building a house next to the State Cemetary. I thought I'd be moved in by Labor Day but its looking more like Halloween at this point. My trip to Puerto and Zipolite went off without a hitch. Spent a month bopping back and forth between thew two. Rreally glad to be home though. The first thing I did was eat a plate of enchiladas--ahhh Tex Mex. Maybe we should open a Tex Mex restaurant down there?

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Tex-Mex/Cajun/Thai.

Hi, I am travelling to the PC in the beginning of october and plan on staying a few days in either Zipolite, San Agustinillo or Mazunte. I can't seem to make up my mind on where to stay, so I hope someone can answer the following questions:

1. Swimming; I'm aware of the dangerous waters at Zipolite, but what are the others like? Are they safe, or is it still quite dangerous?

2. Beaches; most/least crowded, sandy, rocks, laid-backness?

3. Accomodation; it seems like Zipolite has the cheapest options, but I would also appreciate a place where my belongings are kept safe. A room on the beach would be nice of course.

4. Nightlife; if there is such a thing in these places around october... Although I'm not looking for wild parties, I do like having a couple of drinks at night and meet some other travellers, preferably 'young' people in their 20's and 30's.

So, if you have any idea which place meets these wishes best, please let me know!

Cheers, stef

1. San Augustinillo. The main beach there is bifurcated by a rocky intrusion. To the east, it's great body surfing. To the west, it's about as good a swimming beach as you'll find on the coast. In the middle - you'd better be a good swimmer.

2. Crowded? Early October? None will be crowded and all will be nearly empty. 3. Zipolite does have cheaper accomodations. But there is a small hotel in San Augustinillo that is quite reasonable and I'd recommend it. More comfortable, better security, etc.

4. Well, Zipolite is really the only place that HAS a nightlife. Two discos frequented by the Puerto Angel locals as well as what few tourists you'll see in October. La Puesta, in the Roca Blanca section, was always my preference over the Zipoli. But remember that San Augustinillo is only about a quarter mile west of the Roca Blanca sector in the first place.So staying in San Augustinillo certainly doesn't preclude enjoying the Zipolite bars.

As for the relative age of the folks enjoying paradise, I can't speak to that subject. Almost all of them or younger than me, but I can say that on 6th street in Austin as well!

yes what a GREAT idea, i had the crazy idea of a Taco Bell in Barra/Melaque but got slapped down on that one, but do you know where a Taco Bell would work? Cabo san Lucas, I only share this with you all cause I hate Cabo san Lucas, after all PV has a McDonalds, you know a Taco Bell might work in PV?

Bob, There is nothing I would loathe more than a Taco Bell in Zipolite. Sincerely, David [%sig%]

How much do you want to spend per night for a room?

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I think I have exactly what you're looking for in Mazunte. The bungalow is quite nice, located in Mazunte just a few feet above the beach on the opposite end from the Turtle center. This area of beach is called Riconcito (small corner) which provides the safest swimming in the entire area......excluding the beach at Puerto Angel. Send me your e-mail and I'll provide pictures and more info.

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Bifurcated by a rocky intrusion?

There used to be a Taco Bell in Burbank. But it was bifurcated by a rocky intrusion.

As in "...I bifurcated the beach with my rocky intrusion...?

I saw an Italian guy bifurcating some American gal on the beach one moonless night in Zipo, I believe it was probably a sandy intrusion though.John M Williams wrote:

I saw an Italian guy bifurcating some American gal on the beach one moonless night in Zipo, I believe it was probably a sandy intrusion though.

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Sandy? Is she back in Mexico?

bonjour Laetitiaje m appelle elisa et j ai connu Tristan il y a 10 ans;j ai cherche a savoir ce qu il devenait sur internet et je suis tombee sur ton message;je ne sais pas dans quel pays est Zipolite ou Mazunte mais je parle espagnol et viens de m installer en Espagne a Madrid alors si je peux t aider contacte moi a plus¡

italian anyone?

Gosh, gg, I don't know if any of them follow our little web community, but Puerto Angel has had a rather extensive Italian expat community for decades. Mazunte has a considerable contigent as well. There's a beach community east of Puerto Angel that's damned near all Italian. So don't be surprised to find that language on the board as well. The United States may be monoglottal, but fortunately that puts us in the minority of nations.

LOts of languages in LA scool system. You can take your driver test in Vietnamese or Hmong. Where i live is about 50% Chinese.We got diversity.

Unless I wasted another two semesters at the university I would say that it is French not Italian. She wants Laetitia to contact her via email. Xoyo

Hi, im from Monterrey MX will be in ZIpolite next week, mhh i went there in January 03 and loved it, im into flying planes, punk rock and drinking beer, i like sex too hehe, anyway, anyone knows if theres gonna be a party or rave or somethin during the first 2 weeks of august, also, it would be cool to meet people by mail who are going to be there those days, ill buy the first round....

thanx

August is the second rainiest month of the wet season. That said, rain USUALLY only lasts a couple of hours when it comes - assuming that there's no tropical storm - and you still should have more dry days than rainy days. There's a link to weather in the Main Menu and you can find historical weather data as well. The first two weeks of August will find mostly domestic Mexican tourism; Euros, gringos, and frostbacks usually come down during the winter to escape the cold. But you should find a few exotic visitors.

Hey, Fernando, do you have a small plane? Offering a quick site-seeing flight to the object of your affection could sway the undecided votes into your column....

Hi Jhon, no i dont have a small plane yet but i rent them, but i dont think i could take one for 2 weeks to Zipolite (well,Huatulco) i would fly in via Commercial Airline....and yes, taking girls for a flight works eh eh :)))))) sure does, now im thinking about posponing my trip to november, i wanna met more people from other countries, makes things more interesting....and by way, theres somewhere around her a post about mexican giggolos hehe, well just for the record im not married and i always pay the beer/food/taxi whatever, but im not about taking advantage of women, i like girls and if we get along great and if she likes me too even better, but i want all parts to enjoy and have fun...u live in Austin? ive been tehre a few times, 6th st and all that....

This link has become the home for all of the wayward boys. Has anyone seen where my suntan has gone? It was just here a few days ago.

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Hi, has anyone reading this board ever bused it all the way from Seattle or Vancouver to Zipolite! What buses did you take?.. What route did you take?. How much did it cost roughly.... When did you go? What was the best and worse part of the trip? Appreciate all your input!!! Sunny:)

Sunny, I've made a BUNCH of bus trips from Texas; you will find that from your hometown to Texas will be the least comfortable stretch as most US busses are flat-out inferior to the top classes of bus in Mexico. Your Greyhound agent can actually book you all the way to Mexico City, though you will change busses at the border. Post-NAFTA, there are Mexican bus lines offering service from most border states either to La Frontera (the border) or to various Mexican cities in the interior. One here in Austin offers service to Monterrey. But those services will not be featured on the Greyhound booking computer. Best advice: never take anything less than a Primera Clase bus - unless you WANT a megadose of the cultural experience. When possible, take the Ejecutivo class bus as the seating is more comfortable than first class airline seats, making sleep a lot easier. Be flexible. Departures are available everywhere from every major Mexican city. Hubs include Monterrey, Guaalajara, Mexico City, Vera Cruz, Oaxaca City - routing can vary, look at maps continually. From the border, you're looking at 30+ hours.

David, when the rowdy old madam brought the newly recruited putitas by the Pantera Rosa in Pochutla, your suntan exited leaving you pale as a ghost. You'll have to make another trip to try and recover it.

We're going to have to go to this place at some point in the future. Sounds like a great place to meet my soul mate.

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David, the visit by the putitas was an exceptional and a rare event. Most of the time, priests go to the Pantera Rosa to look upon women who make it easy for them to renew their vows of chastity. With prices under $10usd for locals, it's STILL a steep price to pay. I mean, these girls would make a freight train take a dirt road. On the other hand, I don't know what YOU look like, and as Kinky Friedman often said, "When it's gettin' too kinky for the rest of the world, it's just about right..." And when did you want to meet up down there for a trip into Pochutla?

John, I'll be back in December. Although I may need to search for my soulmate somewhere besides Puchutla, given your assessment of the cantina. We should meet up at the Broken Spoke in Austin sometime in the near future.

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The 'Spoke? Is Thursday still Chicken & Dumpling lunch special? If we don't run into one another there, have you seen the website for the Austin City Limits 2nd Annual Music Fest at Zilker Park? 130 bands over three days including Dwight Yoakum, REM, Los Lonely Boys, and Stevie Winwood of Traffic fame. Anybody considering a trip to Austin this fall should look into it. On the other, is there a better time to be in the Costa Esmeralda than early December? Other than right now, whenever "right now" might happen to be...

Hey, Zipman aka JMW when is this Austin blast?

Hey Fernando, I'm planning on hitting Zipo the last week in October, first week of November. A couple of internet friends of mine from Mexico City are supposed to meet up with me.

Just curious as to when you are thinking of being there if you do choose November? If you're there when I am, second round is on me. :) You will of course have to pay for your own drogas/putitas. ;)

heimdahl , thanks for writing, well if i go in November it might be as well the 1st week too, where are u from? whats your email? as for the other stuff, im not into drugs but i do like putitas, hehehe and sure ill get my own hahhaha just kidding, but sure i would love to meet girls from Europe or the USA, i have this thing for blonde girls man, its beyond me....

sounds "like" SURFER-DUDE STUFF!!!!! HEHEHEHEHEANDWALAYDING DING DONG DADY..........................................................................DAVE-the-wave~~~~~~`

Hi, just wondering if theres even been some kind of a swinger scene that might go to Zipo, being such a free beach....anyone going there into swingin or 3 somes?

John, I plan to attend the festival. I'll be volunteering for a buddy selling smoked salmon and other such delectibles.

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I would like to buy a small piece of land on or near an undeveloped /secluded beach where I can build my dream house between Puerto Escondito and Huatulco. I dont need all the facilities of the world. As long as there is electricty, I can survive. I would like to be in a very private area and away from all those planned communities.....i have a mexican connection so buying there in a mexican persons name is not a problem.....approximately 1 acre of land on a cliff or small hill from where I can walk down to the beach would be fantastic.....any information on this would be greatly appreciated.....

i can be reached at guptamail@yahoo.com Thanks a million..........raj

September 19-21. Look at it here: <http://aclfestival.com/>

John pretty much said all you could say. I've never taken a bus from the northwest.

i'm not a big fan of Greyhound though. There is a bus line called "AMERICANOS" that i took back from San Miguel De Allende. It took us through the border in Laredo, TX. and straight up to Austin.

They offered service to San Antonio, Houston, Dallas and all the way up to Chicago.

The price was reasonable but the service was a little rough. The bus seemed like it was fitted for quantity of passengers instead of comfort (it actually reminded me of Greyhound....uuugh!). It took us 23 hours to get from San Miguel to Austin including a long customs wait and then a breakfast stop in Laredo (my girlfriend and I couldn't wrap our heads around the breakfast stop, much less the 17 or 18 hours to the border from San Miguel).

I'm not really making a point here except to say that options for getting there and back are growing but there are some major kinks in efficiency and that may have to be looked at when deciding on a carrier. Oh well, even if i had to walk. It's still a pretty road. I think i'll hop on a bus now!

Sunny...

Probably, you would not near the Texas border coming from Seattle area. I have found bussing through Mexico a serendipitous adventure....or "odd"-yssey. I have always carried a good map (bought in US) and bought the tickets as I traveled each day...pacing my travel to how I felt at the moment. If the terrain was not too interesting (el norte) or I had seen it all before I would take the express/ultra first class busses($$) which usually run after 10 p.m. and arrive at a destination around 8 a.m. in the morning.....Otherwise, I have found it good to pinch off a 200 or 300 mile leg of travel, leaving reasonably early in the day and planning to get land legs about 4 p.m. there-by, having time to scout out respectable/economical digs for the night ($7.00/10.00)....that way, one is fresh enough to enjoy the local ambiance after a shower or two....and, many times there happens, a reason to stay around for another day or so. By taking the short hops to my destination....if there is one, I can manage to endure and even enjoy the cheaper (much) 1st and 2nd class busses....even for shorter jaunts back in to the hills, a pesero bus is only pocket change....but there be goats, pigs and chikens, too....on top, inside and under the bus. 1st class sells only the amount of ticket as there are seats...can be crowded as packages and children don't count for a seat. 2nd class and below...sell as many tickets as will sell ....no matter how many seats. Ultra first class (my definition) can be very comfortable and fast modes of travel....zoommm.

I expect by asking a Hispanic on the street in the Northwest you will find that there are plenty of NAFTA busses traveling the routes to the border...expect to pay much less than Greyhound....but be prepared to be less comfortable and have to eat and pee on quick time...they don't mess around. You can find a dozen Mexican bus lines leaving Atlanta, New Orleans, Houston(2 dozen) ...Birmingham...you name it. Problem is finding where they sell tickets and pick up people...Ask a Mexican.

Don't be afraid to take side trips.....the road from Oaxaca to Pochutla is still an adventure....I remember it when it was all dirt and stone rubble from rock slides...took two days (now it is all paved and takes a day). The road down the Gulf of Mexico side (180) has some very nice villages to hang in (southern half of Veracruz) San Andres Tuxtla and Catemaco are jewels with many friendly people to chat with....It takes me a week to get out of there some times.....I have left San Andres in the morning (on the gulf side) and made it to Salina Cruz on the Pacific coast for lunch....then just a few more hours down to Pochutla/Puerto Angel....by evening.

To date myself....Tickets from Brownsville/Matamoros to Guatamala cost less than $30 US when I began to roam in the south. Have a ball....but, be alert at all times......Stan from South Texas...PTL.

LOL....

Robert wrote...with a lot of imagination and energy: tina wrote: > This is the above comment translated. > Can some one give me information on a lot for sale on the beach > ? thank you very much in advance...

Jesus Christo....and $@#^%&* your momma too....I was going to go to Puerto A....but, after reading the above crap I'm heading for the hills of Guatamalala (hot steamy jungles with real monkeys).....hee heee ha hah hoo hah.

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was that an orange barrel or blotter?

gg said without imagination or energy how about that hurricane?

swing it Fernando Why don't you team up with Raj?

The hurricane made it difficult to throw my Frisbee.

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I'm starting to plan my next Mexico trip and am looking seriously at Zipolite and or Puerto Angel. I've been to the Caribean coast a bunch and spent quite a bit of time in the Tulum - Punta allen area. If your familliar with this area you know there's no electricity (except for the places that have generators), a beach cabana can be had for less than 200 pesos and a great dinner for around 80 pesos.

Sooo ,,, I'm hoping some of you who know Zipolite can help me out with some info - where to stay, what good rates are, what to do (I know I'll be hanging on the beach working hard on a tan).

I'm going to visit Palenque, Bonalpak and maybe some other sites like Vaxchilan and Tonina. Probably going to be a two or three week trip.

Feel free to email me. I'll be heading down like the end of May. If anybody will be there then maybe we can hook up. Tom

Just a note to let everyone know there are some new Zipolite sites that just went up.

San Cristobal Hotel and Restaurant http://www.advantagemexico.com/sancristobal/

New Updated Gloria's Shambhala Address http://www.advantagemexico.com/shambhala/

New Zipolite Travel Guide http://www.advantagemexico.com/zipolite/

Same Zipolite Information on this guide as well http://www.allworldhotel.com/mexico/zipolite/

These should all be done within the week, but they are up now for those who may be interested.

Are you looking for vines to swing on friend? Beat your chest hard and yell, see what you can find....very interesting....

Nous recherchons Dominique (Dom) depuis de nombreux jours. Nous cherchons à savoir ce qu'il est devenu. Nous souhaitons juste correspondre avec lui car il nous manque beaucoup et reste avant tout un très grand ami. Si quelqu'un a des nouvelles de lui -> Merci de nous préciser au moins qu'il va bien ! Pour informations, il est français, mesure 1m82, est brun, tatoué et a séjourné longtemps à Tahiti. Encore merci pour votre aide précieuse !

Pascal, Fréd et Jojor, des amis français qui lui veulent du bien...

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Any luck finding that land to build your dream hat? Excuse me, i mean house.

I'm trying to get some information about a new development being started at Salchi Beach. This is also posted on the Huatulco board, but it may be a bit closer to Puerto Angel or Zipolite. Any info or comments would be appreciated.

Hi, I am going to Mexico at the end of October.I will start off with a couple of weeks in Mazunte, and then go to Oaxaca and Acapulco.After Acapulco...who knows. Does anyone know where I should go to find a bus from the Mazunte area to Oaxaca? And how long does the trip to Oaxaca take?And how many hours will a bus from Oaxaca to Acapulco take?

Lars

Micro schedules have changed and become far more limited. Reconcile yourself to a taxi ride - maybe a collectivo - between Mazunte and Pochutla to get to a regular bus station. Though it's possible to take the collectivo to San Antonio and catch a bus from there towards Acapulco, though there's no actual bus station there.

Routing: Mazunte and Acapulco are coastal; Oaxaca is a vigorous trip through the mountains - seven hours or so by bus, even though it's only a couple of hundered miles. Going to Oaxaca BETWEEN stops in Acapulco and Mazunte really doesn't make much sense. You might want to start in Acapulco; it's going to be the easiest place to LEAVE as it's by a long shot the least desireable place to visit amongst the three you've decided upon. The bus towards Pochutla. If it's daylight when you reach San Antonio, get off the bus there and grab a camioneta (riding in the back of a small truck with a bunch of the good local folk). Then if you can pry yourself away from Mazunte, taxi to Pochutla and bus from there to Oaxaca City.

I just received an email from Sven and Steena who ran the excellent veggie restaurant Pacha Mama in Mazunte at Rinconcito. Their dog, Soulstice, was poisoned in front of Posada del Arquitecto. This is just the latest in a series of dog-poisoning on the coast. They asked their friends to warn people of this horrible practice.

"The poison was too strong to be fought by our stomach pumping efforts, too swift and evil a death for our beautiful travel companion. We are still a bit bitter that the community continues to let this happen, and we question weather it will take a small human child to die to reveal this dangerous and stupid form of indiscrimminate killing. Please advise your friends to avoid traveling with a furry friend to this particular location. In all our travels through Mexico, who would of thought the place we chose to call home would take our best friend." They have moved on to Apizaco, Tlaxcala, and are expecting their first child.

these days, unless you really *like* long bus trips, why bother? long-distance mexican buses are too damn expensive.

america west offers ow seattle to mexico city for $226, all fees and taxes incuded (and that would cover your 200 peso exit tax too) greyhound + 1st class mexican bus wouldnt be much cheaper, if at all, and would take the better part of a week.

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ahh, the memories!

i always enjoyed the swingset so as a child. what a fine idea, i, for one, would love to swing in zipolite. its been years. we should build one, perhaps at pin~a palmera--im sure the kids there would love to swing too! three on one swing strikes me as slightly reckless though. someone might be injured.

david dice: el hurricàn lo pone difficil tirar mi frisbee.

de nada, sean

How about a rope swing from up by El Cosmico, that would be so awesome!

In an airplane, you will talk briefly with at most the two people sharing a row with you; if you're not traveling alone, likely not even those. A Mexican bus trip is a shared experience. Most of the folks are quite gregarious and will offer advice, information, or just companionship. There is also oportunity to interact at the meal/drivers' break stops along the way. Add in scenery you can't see from 30,000 feet. Now, the long cross-country bus trips WERE a lot more fun back when Mandrax was readily available from the farmacias, I admit, but it's still a broadening experience to bus it through Mexico.

Isn't that ludes?

It seems you have swung and struck out....

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si, senor...

Dude! I've got a huge swingers party headed down to Zipo really soon. Last head count was 2,144 of the coolest, respectful, laid-back sexpots in the world. You won't be able to miss us. Remember to bring a partner. We are not accepting any more single males until January 04'. look for us about five miles off the coast, anywhere between 30 to 140 feet under (sometimes over) the water. See you there and always use protection puny human! Dolphins RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. i like the swing set idea from above. That would be a cool thing to see for all the little kiddos bye-byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Flew into Huatulco around April 1st. Trip was spur of the moment choice and had never visited the area previously. Was touted on the area by close friends residing Zipolite, so blasted off. Mexicana was great airline, I have used other airlines for 40 years and would take Mexicana anytime over US carriers. Mexicana had the class of Lufthansa but much warmer feel.

Passed on airport hustlers aaaand walked out to road, caught air conditioned van low fare, much comfort. Got around the bend in the road and we were pulled over by about a dozen black uniforms with semi automatic weapons. We were required to pile out on the road while our stuff was searched. The look of fear in my wife's eyes was not a great first experience in Mexico. This was the early part of the Iraq invasion so maybe there was some security concern, I don't know, or maybe part of an interdiction program. We are white and look like squares.

Got a taxi at a crossroads for the last leg. Destination Campo de Football in Zipo.

Taxi had driver and one passenger, a mexican woman. Driver was nice and friendly. As a matter of fact, when we got out of taxi the driver offered me the personal services of the passenger... Welcome to Mexico. More to come.

Looking forward to the "more", hat man. And trust me, those interdiction stops are a hell of a lot scarier when you just fired one up on the entrance to the curve, only to find THEM on the exit.

Those interdiction stops are called RETENES and you can find them at any place of the country at any time (nothing to do with the Iraq crime). They can stop any car they want to search mainly for drugs and weapons. Most of the time they stop truks and trailers searching Cargamentos (big amounts of any of the two things). They usually also stop groups of young males and almost each blond turist that pass driving near them. I have a friend who says his cousin (a federal oficer) told him that they find small amounts of weed on about 40% of the gringos they search (I´´m not sure if this is completely true but i think is quite a significant source). This is not a big crime. If you are not processed under the penalty for Delitos Contra la salud and narcotrafico (crimes against healt and drug dealing) wich is at least about 8 years in prision, it is considered as a falta administrativa and you can´´t be more than 72 hours in jail. As far as I know, these kind of small crimes or faltas administrativas do not have extra consecuenses for foreign citizens with all the papers to legally be in the country (be sure they will call your embassy or consulate), but I´´m not completely sure, and even if it´´s like that it must be a real pain in the A## to spend a couple of days in jail during your vacations.

So try to be as carefull as posible while drivin in any federal roads (this is all the roads of the country because even private hiways have federal supervision). Do not buy the idea that all mexico is like Zipolite and certain parts of the pacific coast. There are many other places in the country with similar toleration, but you have to be very carefull when you are not on these places or when you are moving from one to another.

Cheers

You are SO right John. Cheers

Thanks for wise words. I would never travel with weed around Mexico anyway. But to tell you the truth I am pretty tired of all the surveillence i encounter here in California and wherever...I came up in the 60's. I think there was maybe only two or three years in there that felt loose. I don't blame the Mexican authorities at all for trying to keep their country free of crime, but I think much of that kind of problem is generated in the U.S. Not just the consumption but the political posturing that results in ineffective control measures and intrusive practices.

Ah Pochutla...How can I sing your praises? What an oasis. What a glimpse of paradise. But there was a sight. A little tableaux. Six or seven schoolgirls in pastel skirts so carefully escorting their prize a big fluffy cake! For some birthday or other. Their faces were joy itself, but the seriousness of their task showed through the delighted smiles. How knowingly they seemed to select the taxi that would be best for a safe cake trip. All surrounded the girl trusted with carrying the precious thing. They seemed to have to restrain themselves from skipping.

A lot different from the snotty faced pre-teens at the Santa Anita Mall. You guys have great coffee, by the way. Got a library card from Biblioteca San Agustanillo.

Have to say from experience that its much, much cheaper to stay in the Puerto Angel/ Zipolite area. When I go to Zipolite I usually stay at Lo Cosmico, in the hammock spaces. The owner, (slightly eccentric man called Antonio), rents hammocks on a little cliff at the west end of the beach for 30 pesos. From your hammock you can see pretty much the whole beach, and while you're resting with a beer, you can watch the surfers, who are generally whooping and hollering in the waves right in front of Lo Cosmico. There is a great restaurant there which is open from around 8am to about 3pm, where they serve good coffee, crepes, sandwiches etc... Its a pretty safe place, as if Antonio or anyone who works there sees anyone they don't recognize heading toward the hammock space, they're generally stopped. That said, the hammock spaces are also more private than most, which is nice, and more relaxing than most places I've stayed. Plus, Antonio is more than happy to keep valuables for you, (passport, t.cheques etc...) Good meals can be had in Zipolite for much cheaper than 80 pesos. Try El Alquimista, between Lo Cosmico & Shambhala for huge pasta dishes, (I think they start at 30 pesos), and pizzas, guacamole & other good food. Also try a restaurant on the dirt road, a block or two up from La Puesta (dance club/pool hall/bar), called 3 de diciembre. Its phenomenal food. Not exactly Mexican food, but awesome all the same. Happy travels! -J

Got a few questions for anyone in the Zipolite area: What's the deal these days with the camionetas & taxis? Is it still possible to get a camioneta from Pochutla to Zipolite? Or is it easier to get a taxi? & any info on the fares for these two modes of transportation would be lovely. Last time I took a camioneta it was 7 pesos, & I seem to remember that its getting pretty damned expensive to take a taxi from Pochutla to Zipolite, but still 15 pesos to go the other way.

Next question is about camp stove fuel. Anyone know what's easiest/cheapest to get in the area?

And what about air travel? Anyone know if its cheaper to book a flight inside Mexico than from home? Was considering flying from Oaxaca to Escondido to avoid that freaky Oaxaca-Pochutla road. (I must be getting old - that road used to be fun!). Anyone willing to part with interior flight info? I'd love you forever.... Thanks! -J

Maybe fly to Huatulco.

Try Magnicharter

Fly from Oaxaca to Huatulco? I wasn't aware there were flights between the two cities. I'd prefer that - I hate the road to Escondido. Thanks. -J

Clever.

Thanks for the information J. When I've traveled in the past, Iv'e always rented a car, cause I end up traveling around to see the sights. Is it a bad idea to have rental car in Zipolite or Puerto Angel? Or shouldn't I worry about it?

Hi......I take a flight pretty much every year from Oaxaca city to escondido via Areo Vega, costs about 700 pesos now, takes about 1/2 hr. You can buy tickets at the hotel Monte Alban (near the zocalo), and there is one flight a day, in the morning, about 10 am, pretty much every day. Same pilot everytime, in a cessena, he's very reliable.

Budget does have rentals at the Huatulco airport, but it's not much more expensive to hire a taxi for the day - and you get the benefit of someone who knows the area to drive you around and you only spend the money on the days you have your outings.

I have had a car rental there, and I loved it. I was really able to explore the area. When you rent, check out condition of car carefully (brakes, transmission); the "fleet" is not in the best shape.

Thanks again for the help. As I said I've been to the Caribean side of Mexico for each of the last 13 years, so I'm somewhat familliar with traveling and driving. I've had interesting experiences with Pemex attendants, reparing tires so the rental people don't know I've had a flat, noting all the scratches dings and dents etc. There are always a few things I buy I have no intention of taking home with me, like a bnlanket, towel, cheap cooler - a few things I always save and give to the guy who checks out the car when I return it - never had a problem! - SO FAR he he.

I haven't decided where I should fly to: Acupulco, Mexico DF, Huatulco? I heard the toll road from Mexico DF to Acapulco is like $50 or $75 usd, is this still true?. I live in northern New England and Montreal is about as accesable as Boston. I'm planning on seeing Palenque, Bonampak and maybe Yaxchilan as well as hanging on the Zipolite beach for a week or so. Any suggestions as to where I should plan on flying to??? What a good rate is in April or May?

Buses (blue and silver, or green and white) are still running from Pochutla to the beaches (as of Monday, August 18), that is always the cheapest and safest (and most pleasant I think) route. The taxistas all fight among themselves and with the camionetta drivers as to who has a right to carry passengers to what area. It does not help the transportation system for anyone, and I think it is a good idea to support the buses, though they might not pass as frequently. Fares should be 12 pesos for the Pochutla-Zipol route, for a taxi collectivo, which means at least 5 people in a car. Taxistas will try to get the most they can from people who do not know better or who cannot speak Spanish well enough to debate the cost. Anything private or after sunset is especial, and will be as spendy as they can get. I have no other fare info, but locals should be able to help if you ask around. There are few camionettas now, they should be a couple pesos cheaper than a taxi, but a little freaky. Hope this helps, please everyone support the buses so they keep running!!! It is the best way to avoid taxi hell and inflated prices.

Great info on the airfares!

peace

I plan to move to Mexico and am looking for a six month rental beginning in October of this year. Does anyone know of any properties available that have the following characteristics?

We are looking for a property that generally fits the following description: 2 bedrooms or more beachfront or view of beach/lake with a pool stand alone single house, not condo or apartment full service kitchen (e.g. refrigerator, stove, etc. . . ) good condition house Air condition preferred we prefer to be in a location that is a little more isolated - not in the center of town Our price range is $600-$1000 depending on the property.

Any leads would be appreciated. Cheers!

- Amber

Any interestting new building going on at Zipolite? Say right on the beach maybe.

does anyone know anything about a canadian girl named beth, small, thin blond. running around zipolite???Gracias

i know beth

Danny Boy! I've heard those people down there drained every peso she had, treated her like a slave and made her eat turtles. Now she is part of that one big criminal conspiracy called Mexico that you so recently informed us all about. So it goes....

HOLA, SOY UNA CHAVA DEL DISTRITO FEDERAL QUE PERDIO A UN AMIGO MUY QUERIDO EN LA COSTA CHICA DE GUERRERO, CERCA DEL LIMITE CON OAXACA. DAISUKE SE ENCONTRABA NADANDO EN PLAYA DE LAS TORTUGAS DEL MUNICIPIO DE MARQUELIA GUERRERO, EL 16 DE JULIO DE 2003 A LAS 6 DE LA TARDE, CUANDO DE PRONTO LA CORRIENTE LE IMPIDIO REGRESAR A LA PLAYA Y LO ARRASTRO HACIA MAR ABIERTO. SUS FAMILIARES Y AMIGOS TENEMOS FE EN QUE HAYA OCURRIDO UN MILAGRO YQUE EL PUDO HABER LLEGADO A ALGUN LUGAR DE LA COSTA DE OAXACA. POR ELLO SUPLICO A TODOS QUIENES LLEGAN A VISITAR ESTA PAGINA QUE POR FAVOR VISITEN EL LINK http://www.tomzap.com/amezcua.html POR SI ALGUIEN LLEGA A VERLO O SABEN DE ALGUIEN QUE SE ENCUENTRE EN CALIDAD DE DESCONOCIDO Y QUE CORRESPONDA A LA DESCRIPCION DE DAISUKE.

DE ANTEMANO MUCHAS GRACIAS.

Hi, I've just read your message and mentioning a nice place to stay in San Agustinillo. We are two adults and a 4yrs old kid looking for accommodation in that place for next January. Do you have any info? THKS!

Hi, Just to let you know..as someone just asked, I have taken down all my sites, the popups were too annoying and I can not afford a site. Sorry for any inconviences, wish you all well in your adventures in zipolite. Adios! Buenos Suerte!

My dear friend:I've lived in Mazunte the last six years and I can tell you that this is a very magical place.There are many safe rooms in the diferent "palapas" with nice people,locals and foreigners,all of them young,except me,but anyway I have many friends from all the world.the beach is beautiful,the waves are calm and there are some places where you can get a couple of drinks in a quiet ambiance,and if you want to get party,you'll get it.I don't mean you "must" come to Mazunte,just give yourself this chance.I'll be in Palapa "Brisa",and I will be happy to share with you these beautiful places.Have a nice time.

Saw Philippe in the Okanagan briefly during cherry season; was heading to Naramata then back south, told me about Becaud; pretty sad news; I knew him too from Banff

Hi Stef, This is not a place to stay but I would recommend La Ventanilla about 2-3 kilometers past Mazunte. Take some drink and food and walk this empty stretch of beach for a few hours. If you hike past the estuary entrance it will just be you, the sun, the sand, and the Pacific. I found it a great experience.

I have a small posada in San Agustinillo and am offering low off season rates until Nov. 30th. $100 pesos for a room with a shared bathroom and $150 pesos for a room with a private bathroom and a small kitchette. All rooms have two matrimonial beds, ceiling fan and a sink. I am also one of the few places that provide hot water. Monthly rates are also available. For more information, contact me at "sanagustinillo@yahoo.com". Sol

Bis repetita.J ai connu Tristan et j aimerais moi aussi savoir ce qu il devient...

hola: estoy buscando un lugar para vacacionar, yo me quiero ir en enero e iria con unos amigos, me gustaria que se me cotisara una semana y que me dijeran como llegar. si alguien me pudiera ayudar a que me baya de vacaciones a un lugar barato y bonito se los agradaceria mucho

Hey, I'm slightly offended. I'm certainly red neck and most definately Republican. I love Mexicans and Mexico. I've ridden motorcycles through about 20,000 miles of Mexico. As a matter of fact I've ridden the entire Pacific Coast. Most of that motorcycling was done alone. I understand the culture is just different and takes some understanding and adjustment for most of us gringos. Oh, and hell no, I'm not eating any dang turtles. Some of you seem to love to label. Danny could very well be a dyed in the wool commie pinko liberal for all we know.

Well Guy's and Gal's I'm a 280lb Canadian Biker I'm not a Mexican but i like ladies to and have coned a few out of there panties So i guess i can hang with the little Brown GUYs ( HEY ) Looking for cheap place to live there and bring my Computer also I lived in Puerto Vallarta and was treated like a God Not that i am I love the Mexican's i lived with But you no Ladies your panties can come off anywhere ( RIGHT) OK just need a good place to live there OK I go bye now Richard aka Patches Kamloops BC Canada PS would like the help

Do you think maybe somebody just just bomb this thread and start anew? It seems to be bringing the creepy crawlies right out of the woodwork!

"Little brown people?" "Conning women out of their panties?" Hello!!! This is the 21st century! Have you ever heard of respect for minorities in women...no? I thought not.

Zoe

John, Did you enjoy the fest? Could you believe how nice everyone was? Could you believe how cool the weather was? I still smell like salmon.

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Hola Stef, We have a great hotel here inZipolite. The surf is really not bad this time of year. We now even have lifeguards. On the Tomzap site. if you double click onto the photo number two, you can see our place. Rooms with private bathrooms, fans, security safes, screens, good beds, etc start at 100 pesos. With a sea view 150. The food in Zipolite is great. If you need a reservation, let me know. Saludos, Daniel

Hello Daniel Patches here i will be ariving PV on the 27 th for 7 days be for i go onward to Zipolite Male single 50 need a room for myself For a bit i ( Hope ) LOL Should be there on the 5th or 6th of OCT/ 03 Send me a e-mail if thats fine with you need to no rate by the month 3 to 6 ok Coming from Kamloops BC Canada OK later Patches

Sorry E-mail address is patchkit@hotmail.com OK later Patches

Thank you Zoe read all of it not what you want to put in that fn brain I love the mexcian's and would die for the ones i no What i was saying yellow black brown or white We all try to get into PANTIES Sa Guy's Not Dykes your the one thats back in the fiftys Patches

Hey going to PV this weekend then on to Zipolite 4th or 5th Patches see you on the Beach Sorry flying into PV from Canada Then onto a Bus but see you there K Bye for now Patches

Davud, it was absolutely aMAZing! I spent 30 hours over three days moving my big body to some of the best bands in the universe! Since I was experiwncing the trauma of a break-up over the same weekend, the festival was the perfect medicine. And anyone who hasn't bought the latest Del Castillo cd needs to go out and buy it now! If you were working in one of the shops, you probably got to hear Los Lonely Boys, right? They sure are getting better every time I hear them. And sunset Friday with Steve Winwood - wow. And those were just a few of the acts I saw the first day! Can't wait 'til next year. Been writing my observations but haven't figured where to post them...

Regarding free sex...You pay now or you pay later...

No man, you just rent it.

and the souvenirs are free.

hey did any of you feel that temblor in the morning around 8 and then later around 4:30? it is said to be those 'de agua' and while i thought that meant its epicenter was at the fault line at sea it really means that it will rain more, according to the locals with whom i have spoken. i asked, 'do you really believe that?' 'pues, eso dicen' was the reply. anyway, they weren't much maybe you didnt feel them but hopefully it does indeed mean more rain because it really hasn't rained much, at least not here, this year.

well, no additional rain yet! boo hoo.

Is the drunk guy with half an ear and a strange pitched voice still causing trouble??

ok, there was some rain. naked rain. drug addled pools of water.

song for sweet saint sweet saint, sweet taint my chin rests upon bitter ñez. and how about that new brand of paint? run, wrap, stain it cain't.

so all this and where is more rain? touching cloth, flushing pain!!

up the iron! sock is long, moving my jaw!

Where can you get the Del Castillo Cd besides their website?

Any of you guys ever go up in the mountains around there and check out the coffee fields or any of that kind of stuff? I have been wanting to make a trip to Puerto Angel for a couple of years now but have yet to make it! Whats the draw of Zipolite over Puerto Angel?

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very eloquent, patches. sure the rambling, punctuation challenged, diatribe led nowhere and whatever point you were trying to get across drowned in a pool of unintelligible verbal vomit. however, i like the word panties. good show.

long live this pathetic thread. where is danny the redneck caveman? i do miss his snippets of wisdom.

oh yeah, and how's the thesis going shelley (the phD candidate beach bum who has read several thousand books)? your thoughts on the evil's of american culture sounded really pretty. i especially liked your jaded catch-phrases. . . ."great american lie" was my favorite.

your arguments were very solid though. "Besides, I don't think anybody is saying that it's okay to lie and cheat and steal from other people (although, personally, I think that the poverty and three kids at home circumstances are compelling arguments)." ah so poverty makes dishonesty excusable . . .

but wait . . . ."When we assume that Mexican men are gigolos, we do violence to them. It is racism. It is still racism even if we justify it through poverty or whatever." wait, so poverty doesn't make it excusable, and saying it does is RACIST?

****, i'm confused. should have read more books.

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You guys make me laugh! Too bad nudity isn't very comfortable at Zipo anymore...it's even getting touristy (or whatever you call that ) over at Aragon...

But Zipolite beats out pto Angel even if it had no beach ! Steve

Now John, after visiting this board for a bit tonight, I'm getting curious who you are. But first, I must say that the KFF rules! And Rod Kennedy stepped down years ago, it's a staff-owned fest now, though we have him to thank, I suppose.

Not that more people are needed. But dear Sarah, though you're from Kerrville, you obviously haven't been KERRverted! If you think that the name of one weekend's headliner for the fest has ANYTHING at all to do with how fun it is to be camping/partying musically in the hill country with a couple thou people for THREE WEEKS, you have missed the boat, babe!

By the way, Judy Collins made me gag. Ruthie Foster is really something.

So, John, do you know Ronaldo? Las Hamacas?

Steve

I am going to Mazunte/Zipolite in a couple of weeks.So naturally I keep checking the weather forecast on the net.So when is it going to stop raining?Is there a god damn flood over there or what?

Just bring a swimsuit and a few thousand books and you'll be sure to meet at least ONE friend! Hee-hee.

Joined that Biblioteca in SA when i was staying there in spring, thought i'd bring down some books next time, what would be good to bring?

Harry Potter in Spanish.

Hi all, I'm really excited by what I've read. Zipolite sounds like the ideal place to me. Easy-going, laid back and off the normal tourist track. It's wrong to compare but it seems a lot like Jeriquaquara in Brazil or Ko Phan Ghan in Thailand. Can anyone relate to these? Anyway I'm planning to come round at Christmas time. Do you thik a lot changes at this time? Is the place overcrowded?

Ahem. A 'friend' is going to Zipolite soon, and they wanted to know about pricing availability and variety. I'm a great believer in being informed, so I thought I would ask on my firends behalf ;). What can my friend expect to pay, and what kind of quality? I think my friend is just interested in the basics. Mota, hashish, maybe peyote and shrooms. Any information would be appreciated by my friend, I'm sure, and I thank you in advance on my friends behalf.

PS, please direct all flames/insults to the weather/lodging etc... thread, I would hate to break their monopoly.

well, i doubt he'll have any difficulty obtaining some buds down there. there are several locals that would be happy to help you out. just strike up conversation and "test the waters". i wouldn't go straight out and advertise that your looking for it though. though zipo has a reputation for tolerance, you can and will get busted for doing stupid stuff. ie: walking down the beach puffing a joint. i saw two kids from the UK get rolled for about $200 by a cop who caught them smoking on the beach. not only did they lose a bulk of their money, they lost all their bud.

just be smart and respect the situation. it ain't amsterdam (thank god). oh, as far as quality goes, it ain't Humboldt county either.

This place never changes. The surf is beautiful and enticing and kills careless tourists on a regular basis. Two Italians drowned a few weeks ago., Every once and a while a hurricain wanders by and flattens the place, or a fire or an earth quake. Thats what makes Zip so special, and it is very special, that it changes almost never, and if it does it's at a snails pace. Cheap accomadations, gorgeous water and air , great food, laid back people, pretty girls, drugs if you want them, crime if your careless and over all one of the last great places left on earth to hang your hat...Enjoy...Great margaritas and pool at Live Lula...

Hola, Yes it will be crowded from the weekend of the 20th until after New Year's. Many Mexican families and groups will visit for the holiday as well as a peak in foreign tourists. It does put a cramp on lodging choices but you can usually hang a hamaca for a night or two until you can find a place. It does make for a lively atmosphere that everyone enjoys but the local staff will be burnt-out and a little testy before it is over. PM me if you'd like a detailed report from my trip last year. Buena suerte

i tink you are a bum with five hundred dollar buget for tree month on a beach. and you figure these mex shoud be happay to feed you and lodged you for notting yes a bum????

huh?

Hi Elvira, I highly recommend Zipolite! My wife and I were there this past March, and it is a wonderful place. We only stayed three days during a longer trip to Mexico, and this winter we are going back for at least a week. I believe that July is the rainy season.

Many people will tell you about Shambhala, at the west end of the beach. That's where we stayed, and it is truly a special place. See their websites at: http://www.advantagemexico.com/shambhala/ http://shambhalavision.tripod.com/ If you are just coming to Zipolite, see the travel information about flying to Huatulco. The best way to get to Zipolite from Oaxaca (which is a great city -- highly recommend visiting there too!) is the van run by Atlantida. It takes you to Pochutla, where you can get a cheap taxi to Zipolite. The drive through the mountains is spectacular, but take your dramamine.

It's worth buying a guidebook. Lonely Planet's is excellent, and they now have one for just the Pacific coast.

Enjoy!

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Puerto Angel is a graveyard compared with Zipolite. In Zip nudity is very common and everyone seems quite comfortable with it. It helps if you have all the bells and whistles, meaning tatoos, piercings, forehead, nose and tongues seem very popular, dreads or long hair, shorts down to your ankles, surf board if for no other reason than to walk around the beach and look cool, a joint constantly between your fingertips, etc, etc. Zipolite really is one of the last bastions of freedom left on earth. One might say the "Alamo" of free thought and actions and speech, no matter what language one mumbles. Remember no one is better or worse than you. The place can be a bit clanish, but people are friendly, if a bit emotionless in the quest to appear cool at all costs. Can't think of a better place to live on earth, come visit, you'll most likely love the hedonistic place...

OK, wow... Mental note: check date on the post before answering. Didn't notice Elvira's original post was from friggin' June. Of course, at least I did actually answer the question! Hope the trip was good.

Now about the other stuff, I suggest we have a cage match between Danny and Shelley: "Ignorant Doofus vs. Pretentious Bore... TWO BOZOS ENTER! ONE BOZO LEAVE!"

ferment. in zipolite, the weather so sunny. lots of people few smiles for such a sunny place. one wonders. you say hi to kids and they no responding.

Hah!

Drogas?

Hi, I read your blurb about Mazunte. i live in san Miguel de Allende and would like to travel to the beach in December. Can you tell me about getting a place from Dec 15- thru the 2 or 3rd of Jan? Is it touristy? How are prices? Appreciate your info Robin

everyplace mentioned here is an awesome beach,cant go wrong with any of them.i stay in puerto and take trips down to these beaches,what a great escape.was in costa rica last year and cant wait to get back to the oaxacan coast.did they do anything yet with that big old hotel on the ocean?i think its between zipo and san aug.i know across the street was a great b&b,wasnt quite finished yet but cool owners.just show up and walk the beach/street,there were plenty of laid back places to sleep. see youse in feb.

San Augustanillo, can't miss. Mexico Lindo y Que Rico cabanas right on the beach. Mellow. By the school. Beach is great. Gentle surf almost always.

I've checked all over this site for info but I've been unable to find it. Looking for info (and prices) on traveling from Puerto Escondido Airport to Mazunte by bus/collectivo/camionetta. I am guessing there are busses from Puerto to Pochutla and that I would get off in the town of San Antonio and take a camionetta from there.

So here are my questions: 1. Best/cheapest way from Pueto Escondido Airport to bus station?

2. How frequent are the buses (from 2:00pm onwards) down the coast to Pochutla and will they all let me off at San Antonio?

3. Is there transport from San Antonio to Mazunte?

Thanks for helping out a first-time traveler to the area.

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This is the first time in a long time that someone has actually noticed this fact or been able to see through the veil of illusion that this paradise paints. The kids have been witnesses to tourist behaviour ( both international AND national ) for many years now, and the stories of what they have seen get passed down from older brother to younger etc.... So, it's not so much that the kids are on drugs, but that they have seen the way foreigners behave, drug use, etc . That visual evidence plus all the stories and rumours they have heard is enough for them to take a cautious and sometimes even distainful approach to the visitor. However if you are lucky enough to make real friends with a Zipolite child, gain his/her confidence and share with them, they are some of the most amazing children you could hope to meet. Ask some of the 9 to 14 year olds about the hurricane and just listen to their descriptions of how the wind was a monster........... Ask them about when the whale washed up on playa del Amor and watch their faces as they describe the 3 day old smell to you............. Ask them to help you understand the dangerous currents and rips on the beach and you will see who is future lifeguard material............... They just need our patience, our respect, our love, our smiles.......they need to be able to trust us............and trust is a lesson for EVERY visitor to Zipolite. Respect their space, and trust them enough to invite them into your space.......... All they need is love !

Have you consifdered flying in to Huatulco instead? The trip from there to Mazunte would be much easier.

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Sam, I was going to say the very same. It always takes two or three days before the locals open up, after all think of all the freak tourists that have come through that town, excellent post jay

In fact it is cheaper to fly into Puerto Escondido than Huatulco from Mexico City at least.

I did reveive a personal reply to my questions. Here it is for everyone's information: "It an easy thing to do. The airport is a couple of kilometers from the main intersection in town. Just grab a cab to town. There's a traffic signal at the main intersection which separate the old town to the left and the beach and tourist areas to the right.......Mazunte is straight ahead. . I'd get out there and catch a collectivo or one of the many smaller 2nd class buses that runs between Puerto and Pochutla. You can flag them down...........no problem. It's about 45 minutes to San Antonio. You can't miss the intersection as there's a huge sign now that says MAZUNTE/ZIPOLITE. probably the largest sign in all of Mexico. The driver will let you off and then just wait either for another collectivo or cab................it's another ten minutes to Mazunte. I probably wouldn't do it after dark because the frequency of public transportation slows considerably. The whole thing shouldn't cost more than 100 pesos unless the cab get to you."

I am an older (senior) gal leaving Oaxaca in Feb. to the coast, looking for reasonab le accomodations on the coast. thanks mary

Alert! Clicking on Puerto Escondido visitors comments will possibly infect your system with "Sobig" virus, it did mine twice today. Suggest google "Stinger" for free virus scan via network associates.Seems to be Russian language sites attacking media player. Stinger is easy way to clean this out, Alert. Alert!

But it sure is cheap!!

Zipotrip. Met a dude reminded me of Haight in '68. Headband and beard, white on white, dig? Taste was like ether - lightly aromatic like the thinnest top note on Sidney Bechet clarinet. Not thick or syrupy light green sensemilla, good as any humboldt. Very floaty. And brother man, I been around.

Concur w/Mr. Gunter. Much more hassle bus and etc. from PE verses from Huatulco. Kill a half a day PE to Mazunte vs. Huatulco to Mazunte. The time... It's all pretty inexpensive. Check out SA... In all transport is very easy in the daylight, at least.

Children everywhere need the kind of reflection found in these comments, interest in their stories shows real concern. Oaxaca such an interesting city... a couple of us are thinking of visting the coast now, but are concerned of the ocean and the riptides. My friend has not ever really gotten a chane to swim in the ocean-too cold in our area. If you were to want to swim near these beaches-Puerto Escondido-Puerto Angel might there be something such as this?

Zipolite is the place to totally relax and enjoy Gods beauty. Planning to go to Zipolite for xmas/new year too and was there xmas 2001. I've been to Ko Phan Ghan and would say it is no where near as nice as Zipolite. Sounds like you've been to some nice places in the past but you aint seen nothing until you get to Zipolite. May see you there. Enjoy.

Yes. The western end of the beach at San Agustinillo is almost always calm; it's referred to as the kiddy-pool. Just don't swim too close to the rocks and you will be very safe. Set up near Mexico Lindo or Evelia's and enjoy the almost-always warm water.

Someone posted something about a flight from Hotel Monte Alban in Oaxaca to Escondido a while ago. It was 700 pesos or something like that. Does it fly the same time every day??? Thanks!

It may be easier from Huatulco but not so much easier as to worry about it. Just like your personal reply says, From Puerto it is verrrrrrrrrrry easy. In fact I don't know if I would say it is easier from Huatulco or not. When I drive to Mazunte it is 45 min. When I drive to Huatulco airport it is 1 1/2 hours (mas o menos). You do the math. PB

I always defer to Puerto Bill.

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Yes. PB. He Right.

what a nice thing to say sam,I hope it comes from the heart

Je connais Felipe du Canada, je crois avoir son Imail quelque part , déja la cinquantaine il était un habitué de Zipolite comme moi. Il voyage du Canada vers le Mexique chaque annéé dans un van vert. Il y fait la ceuillette de fraises et d'autres fruits en été pour revenir sur le Mexique en hiver. Il ne dessend plus dans le sud depuis un bon moment. Il a une bonne barbe est fait des the Mescals a Marhuata quand il y passe si c'est lui que tu cherches contacte moi ....Il dit Tabernacle bien souvent comme tout les gens de la bas . si tu le joins avant moi remet lui bien mes bonjours et dit lui a bientot de ma part Stephane le Belge

David, you have to catch a taxi from the airport to the cross road that goes down to centro and up into town (away from ocean). On the corner is a restaurant where you take a local bus south to Pochutla. It will only cost about 10 pesos. Just tell the driver you want off at San Antonia going to Mazunte. Catch a colectivo there for about 15 pesos. That corner in Puerto Escondido is also where the coastal bus station is located, just about 100 yards from the corner where you catch the local bus south. Hope this helps you. Daniel

Does anybody know if it is possible to play capoeira (preferably regional) in or near Mazunte, Zipolite and Oaxaca? I plan to go there at the end of december but would hate to stop playing!!! Axé! Jolanda

Jolanda, Interesting, I just signed up yesterday to begin lessons at my local uni. I don't know about the other sbut Zipo is a large beach and many practice their exercise regimen at all hours of the day. There was an oficionado of copoeira there last January when I visited but he was the only one. I don't believe there are organized sessions or lessons. Buena suerte

Sorry for being such an ignorant but, What the hell is Copoeira?

How about badmitton.

oh with small racket and bird?

Capoeira is a fighting-game from Brazil, some call it a dance cause it also if fluid. It also contains acrobatics, playing instruments and singing. If you want to know more check out www.capoeira.com. or www.gowiththeflow.nl I think it is one of the most wonderfull things you can do on this earth, so sorry guys nooooo batminton. axé!

Hi I'm looking for somewhere to stay near Playa Agustinill. Has anyone ever heard of a place called Posada Arigalan? Just wondered if it came recommended! thanks Kate, UK

Good sport is badmittonaloola - involves a good size willing bird, 3 or 4 bannanas and a helmet, there is also some whistling but that is of course opotional.

Last year on the beach at Zipolite we saw two people doing what at first appeared to be Ti Chi, now I know what it was! I love music, it makes me dance, and as to a good fight....bang zoom!! My spirit reflects the spirit of the people around me, and the people of Oaxaca are so laid back and mellow I might not have much of a punch. I'll be there at Christmas, if you care to teach I'm willing to learn...

I have never seen the rooms at the Arigalan, but the hotel can be seen from the beach and the views must be awesome. It is a easy walk to either beach (all down hill from there, but remember what goes down must go back up), and they are both good for walking, swimming, eating , or just hanging out. Good food is also close at hand in either direction, bring a flash lite. As for a recommendation on the area my wife a I have driven the coast from San Blas to Puerto Aristo and this is as good as laid back can get.

A taxi or colectovi from Puerto to Mazunte will not cost you much and would take less than one hour.When you are in Mazunte try the food at the El Agujòn, at the west end of the beach.It is fantastic, especiallly the pizza.Great atmosphere and friendly people.No other restaurant in Mazunte even comes close in my opinion.

I was in Mazunte a couple of weeks ago and observed a couple of lokal guys that was playing capoeira.Don`t know how organized they are,but they were playing at the beach one day.

If you're thinking of staying in agustinillo, try the paradiso del pescadora. Really nice rooms and great view. Check the website out. tomzap has a link to it on the san agustinillo page.

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Hey, Just took the flight once again for muertos, it flys everyday, leaving Oaxaca at 8:30, 1/2 hr flight. Tickets still at Hotel Monte Alban, costs $1000 pesos now......Aero Vega is the name of the company.......

Geez, what's the hurry?

Hurray!!! Then Zipolite really will be like paradise...Can't wait!!!! :-) Especially since right now I am looking outside and it is cold and raining....

All those chactores who hang out at Central Station in Amsterdam, there waiting for you in Zipolite.....

Thanks again for flight info. Wrote it down this time. The hurry: I have a limited time in Oaxaca this year & since I've already experienced the roller coaster terror/exhilaration/beauty of the second class bus ride from Oaxaca to Pochutla, I'd really just rather get to the bloody beach than experience yet another white-knuckle ride. I'll save that for when I have more time, 'cause I personally enjoyed it. Also wouldn't mind staying in San Juan del Pacifico. Gorgeous up there...

Good answer, I hope your trip goes well! Buena suerte

Thinking of jetting down for 4 or 5 days, are things getting more busy/crowded Zipolite SA? Anybody knowledgeable on this? Fell into Zip on an April whim last spring and something stuck I guess. Think i'll bring watercolors this time...

First off this is a great site, and the boards are fantastic as well. I have been doing research for the past 20 hours or so on where I could reside outside of USA on my limited fixed income for an undetermined time. Mexico was brought up by my best friend, and living in San Francisco now I think it's becoming more and more my final choice. I think financially my $765 US each month could allow me a roof, some good food, and drinks, this is true?

I just turned 30 in October. My political views are pointed to the left. I am really relishing the day I land in my chosen new land. Optimally I want to be able study some acting if at all possible. If not then I would like to be in an enviroment with creative warm people.

I think so far I like what I read about Zipolite and the region. I think I will be making contact with Daniel, his hotel seems a good place to perhaps start off? My spanish is not good but I will make sure it gets better and I will work to get over my nervousness of speaking it.

I am not a seasoned traveller, I have been in Brazil, Austria, brief stop in Amsterdam, Canada a couple times, and once in Mexico. Let me tell you about that trip as I think it's important being my only first hand knowledge of the country.

I just found the name of the town that my mother, her friend, my sister and I went to. We drove from Phoenix to this town that we were told alot of people from Arizona make the drive down to as it's the first sizeable beach town from Arizona. Puerto Penasco. I guess some salient details which will hopefully spark discussion were the downtown which was run down and the hotel we found there was not safe feeling. So we made our way to the beach area and speant a good 2 hours or so to finally settle on the hotel we had first started from in the beach area. This was in 1995 and it was expensive for us then something around $200 US.I regret spending that much money but it was a good time. My mother had a wonderful time and met a mexican woman married to an american man who ran a beautiful little restaraunt. That was I think the side of Mexico I would like to be around, the dinner was amazing in every regard, very magical. Excuse me for not being so elequent, my mother passed away of cancer at the young age of 54 in 2001 so thinking of this trip causes me sadness.

On to some more details for the sake of inciting conversation. We used US dollars the whole time:) We bought much silver from people selling items along the hotel front and beach. I only went to a store once and bought some bear there but again in dollars I belive ( though this may have been in peso's). One night I wanted to go out so I asked the bellman at the hotel about nightlife and he told me of a club. I was picked up by a taxi with a man in the back seat. The club itself now I think of it was really fun! And people were really nice, I was the only white skinned person in there. I danced alot:) On the cab ride hom the man offered me various drugs and there was a story about the taxi drivers "wife" who may have been in the front seat at this time, I dont really remember. I avoided doing anything but being nice, paying and getting to and from the hotel.

I guess my impression is this was a pretty normal trip for people who had never been to Mexico and did no research at all. So what do you guys think so far? I am going to crosspost this to try to get responses as people are saying this board is slow.

Mucho Gracias amigos y amigas

It will get busy around December 20 as Mexicans go on holiday and the international tourists start to arrive. Last year it was very busy until the weekend after the New Year. Buena suerte

Hola, do you are a mexican tourist? speak spanish?

hi girls, i'll be visit Zipolite, and i look for a partners

I know a couple people living Zipolite about that budget, depends what your needs are of course. Wouldn,t allow for much restaurant dining, but market in Pochutla can be very good value. You can rent a place to live for about three hundred a month USD, I believe, but some of the more experienced expats may have better knowledge on this and may even throw in some of their very valuable opinions, Mr. Williams for instance, or the gentleman from the dive shop perhaps. Drinks may be kind of expensive as compared to other daily consumables, I met a Canadian expat that buys Pacifico by the case and seemed to get a good deal. The coffee is very very good and cheap, the vegetables are plentiful and inexpensive...I took a one week shopping list for two to a kind and patient lady at a small tienda in San Agustanillo, and included above, with two chickens, kilo rice, kilo beans, some milk & etc. was about $17.00 USD for too much food for two people, and that at the local tienda. Perhaps someone will post more info or correct me as this interesting subject has not been addressed recently this board.

Thanks for the reply Hat.

disculpa la pregunta, pero fue un hecho real?

hola, voy a ir proximamente a Oaxaca con unas amigas y me gustaria conocer chicos guapos, alguien me quiere escribir?

Does anyone know who the guy with the shaved head who spearfishes is with the new white house near the clinic and campo de futbol. Someone said he is a reclusive writer/artist. I'd like to meet him, but everytime I walk past him his eyes are hidden under a baseball cap. Thanks. Not really Sue.

hola, voy a ir a Zipolite con unas amigas y me gustaria conocer amigos que esten vacacionando alla o que tengan planes de ir, por favor escribanme anita_peke013@hotmail.com .........besos¡¡¡

well, if your spanish is ok, you can rent a decent place for cheaper that what the above post mentioned. for a long time i rented an unfurnished house for 50 bucks a month, including water and electricity, in zipolite. before that, i payed 35 bucks a month. it has been some years though. you can certainly find a room not on the beach for around 700 a month. you just need to take a look around. wisepersons eat in the market or at home and buy their beer by the case in pochutla.

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no se como escribirlo, pero voy a visitar Zipolite y quisiera conocer nuevos amigos, alguien me puede contestar? anita_peke013@hotmail.com Voy a ir con algunas amigas por primera vez y quisiera saber como es la playa nudista ¡¡¡

hola chicos, alguno de ustedes habla español?

Hola chicos, alguno de ustedes habla castellano?

there are swingers in Zipolite? do you knows?

I've known that geat soul for many many years. He has traveled and lived the wide world over. He has the heart of a poet and truly he spears for his table. I know his name of course.What would you know?

if not sue, then who?

Hola Ana! No creo que vas a tener problemas conocer nueva gente en zipolite!! Es un lugar muy abierto y relajado... La playa nudista es estado en el norte de la playa, abajo shambala. buena suerte!

yes.

Hola chica, de donde eres tu? enviame tu foto para conocerte y si gustas vernos cuando vengas por aqui

Yes I know him well, really. For many years.

Will be in Mazunte Dec 13th to Jan10th. I am looking for accommodation for one person with private bath. Something on, or very close, to the beach, simple, tranquil, breezy and shady. Willing to spend $5000 MXN for the month. Looking to chill out, read a stack of books, and engage in interesting conversation from time to time. Any recommendations of where to start looking when I arrive around noon on a Saturday? Thanks.

Dear all. As I wrote in my earlier topic on swimming safety we will be heading for Oaxaca coast one of these days. We have two kids (1 and 3 years old) and are planning to stay for about two weeks. One month accommodation would be a possibility too, since we will be coming back around Dec. 30th.

We would love to have something right on the beach. And after a couple of months of hotels and restaurants we would love to be able to cook ourselves.

Any suggestions in Mazunte or elsewhere in the area?? We would be very greatfull. Thanx!

Within the next couple of days I will travel with my wife and kids (1 and 3 years old) from Oaxaca to the coast. We were thinking of Mazunte, but I am not sure whether swimming there is safe.

Does anybody know whether Mazunte is safe for swimming? If not, any suggestions on other places would we very welcome. Thanks!!

Just got back from the Oax. coast. Had one of those pizzas (shrimp) mentioned above last Saturday night and I will second that! Stayed at the Alta Mira, what a view! We took the bus from PE and it took about an hour. Got a taxi from San Antonio to Mazunte.

gracias, si me han comentado que esta muy bien, me puedes decir que se hace durante el dia y si hay actividad de noche?

I was in Mazunte last March and stayed at Alta Mira. It was heaven. The rooms are very large and you can keep your windows open and sit up in bed to watch the sun rise over the ocean. This place is also situated on the end of the beach where there is a point that goes out into the ocean. You can hike out to the end of the point and watch the sun set on the other side. Truly a unique place. There was a very nice German couple that had taken up residence there for the winter. I'm sure they have a better rate the longer you stay. You can also eat breakfast and dinner there in the open air dining room on top of the hill with the ocean spread out below. We went out on a turtle boat tour and the guide was catching fish. I asked him if I could have one of his tuna and he said yes. Dona Rosa cooked it for our dinner. She is a very good cook.

I must say that when we arrived, it was at night and the moon was full. We walked up the hill from the car and were overwhelmed by the view of the moon rising over the sea, puffs of clouds bathed in the silver rays of the moon. I will never forget it.

As a side bonus, I am a snorkeler and there is rather good snorkeling around the rocks at that end of the beach where the point goes out into the sea.

We booked through a very nice UK travel web site: http://www.i-escape.com/hotel.php?hotel_key=MX023 They made the reservation for us. -David

Dear all! We are in Oaxaca at the moment, but will be heading for the coast soon. We are a family with two young kids (1 and 3 years) and have been travelling for about two months now. Time to settle down for a while and cook our own meal now and then. We are looking for an appartment with preferably two rooms. Would be lovely to be right on the beach but other options are also welcomel.

Any suggestions for Mazunte or somewhere nearby? Thanks!

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Nearby and pleasant San Agustanillo has safest (very) beach for youngsters at western end near Mexico Lindo y Que Rico Cabanas, by the school, also nice little library there as well.

hi everybody! just wondering if any new interesting places have poped up in zipolite under the last 3 years. what happened to "el carrizo"?

Mazunte beach is really nice for swimming as well as san Augustinillo. Highly recommended

Go back down this thread and read "help me find the perfect beach location", last entry 12/2. It has quite a few comments about swimming safely. Buena suerte

hay mucho que hacer en la noche y en el dia. lo vas a ver cuando llegas.

Of all the major beaches in that area, Mazunte is one of the safest. We stayed at the Alta Mira near the Punte Cometa point. Very nice place and the water is pretty calm. Certainly the beach in Puerto Angel is mostly calm, but more populated. And there are occasional boats to contend with. The best little beach is Playa Estacahuite, just south of Puerto Angel. There is no lodging there however. You need to hike or take a cab. Have fun! BTW, I just posted pictures of my last trip on the web at http://www.morningwoodfarm.com/mexico/ -David

Yo soy de Guadalajara y quiero conocer Zipolite,probablemente en enero, tengo tentacion de conocer la playa nudista, tu de donde eres?

Yes,.......but there are no lifeguards and there is raw sewerage from all the happy people you will meet. If you keep walking north on the beach there will be less and less people.

Hola como tas,pues dime cuando iras ya que quiero darme una escapada tambien ok?

wouldn't want to smoke bud on the streets of arcata, either. We got the post santa cruz protect the property of the wealthy thing going on up here big time. Good advice re: Zipo in any case.

I'm a bit shy myself...Is he friendly, meaning can you just walk up to him and talk to him? I appreciate any feedback...Thank you very much.

No thoughts on the subject of drugs. Been there, done that, wore out the t-shirt! Just wanted to say hi to Sz...I'm in the county next door...Trinity. Zoe

Are you a Brit?

Drugs are not the reason to come to Zipolite and it is tasteless to broadcast prices and names or descriptions of people. Think about how foreigners and their drug use and promotion have changed Zipol and the inhabitants for the worse.....do you need sex and rock and roll as well? Why come, stay home and do your drugs there.

Hola Soho, me muero de ganas de ir y asolearme tirarme en la arena y olvidarme de todo, quiero desestresarme por completo, tu de donde eres y cuando iras?

??? I'M NOT SURE...

TRY: Lola's Phone 5843201

HI ! Anyone know the E-mail address of Giuliana (Villa Escondida) or the telephone number ??

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actually he's an evil mexican womanizer intent on deflowering unsuspecting gringa tourists. . . . . . . . . . . . . at least thats what this guy Danny told me.

Hola, Well it's six months later than planned but I've booked a flight to be in the Zipo area the week of X-mas. I can't afford it but my soul longs for home and I got a good deal on a flight into Aca! I would love to get in touch with anyone else who may be there at that time. Buena suerte a todos

Anybody fun and goodlooking in Zipolite during Xmas/new year. Couples very welcome. I am a regular visitor and into quiet vacations. Not looking for companion, just fun.

Hola. Busco chicos guapos y alegres para pasar momentos buenos durante navidad/anonuevo. Parejas bienvenidas. No busco compania permanente.

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Hello, do you know the phone number of Villa Escondida (Giuliana) or the E-mail address?

Thank you

Hola Anny, Si vas a Zipolite, porfa saluda de mi parte a mi gran amiga Elsa. Ella vive en Zipolite y tiene un restaurante, se llama "3 de Diciembre". Ah! no dudes en comer ahí. Saludos, Alis

Has anyone seen Lalo Sol...and if so could you ask if he still recieves mail at the Puerto Angel post office. Please post your answer here. Tell him I'd like to send a card and photo...Thanks for your time and effort

Sue - Don't be silly. Just go up and say Hi! What's the worst that could happen? You could be depriving yourself of a nice new friendship or more!

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how can these rocks be here

Thanks, but I am trying to contact Lalo, not Lola...Lalo is the nickname for Eduarddo....Anyways thanks.

i think people are mainly referring to a relatively benign plant that has grown in Mexico naturally since the last Ice Age. maybe "droga" is a misnomer. get a grip.

Hi there, you ask good questions, respect. San augustillo is a very special place i was there in 2000 / 01. We stayed in a beautiful place by the beach which was run by Fausto Senoir and Fausto Junior, i can't remember the proper surnames. The sea is always trechtorous but that's where the best surfing crowd go, very cool bunch. Zipolite i found was a place full of weirdos, not really my type of place.San Augustillo was quiet but all the people were really nice. A good mix of Mexicans, Argentinains, English, German, Italian, everyone it was cool.

Hello Everyone!!

Hope everyone had a great summer! Sorry we have not been reponding to any of the emails sent to us. We have been extremely busy with the hotel and will be taking reservations for rooms in January - we are booked until then. The prices for the rooms this year are as follows: Single (one double bed) - $40 CDN per night or by the week for $35 CDN per night Double (two double beds) - $45 CDN per night or by the week for $40 CDN per night * We also rent by the month.

Also, Sandor can take people out fishing or boating anytime (ask for Sandor at the restaurant to book one day in advance) and our restaurant - Palapa Alexana - is open everyday with cold drinks, fresh fish, and steaks for the BBQ. Stop in and say "hello"!

We can be reached by email at paraiso_del_pescador@yahoo.com or call at 705-268-9097 in Canada. Merry Xmas to everyone and see you in the New Year!

Paraiso Del Pescador

muff diver DAN? I thought someone killed him in Zipo?

Stacy - I do not suggest drug use anywhere, particularly. If you go to Italy, they offer wine or coffee, China, tea and Marlboros, India, whatever they have, people in Zipo approached me. It wasn't my idea. As for descriptions of people, that is part of travel I think. I chose to stay a little apart from Zipo as I am the quiet type I guess. In my travels I have met people from all over the world and in an unfamiliar place I sometimes am clumsy, I guess for me that comes with the willingness to try and learn in a strange land alone with no great gift of language either. I tell you, where I live people show up from the far ends of mother earth by the thousands every day, and I don't judge against them if they are not smooth in the local custom, but celebrate and welcome their willingness to come. To be otherwise is I think a form of snobbery or at least inhospitable, which I think the world does not need. If you are set that each visitor must have your values, put up a sign "Stacy's Rules Only" at the border.

Senor/ Senora, I am a repeat visitor ot Puerto Angel & am interested in renting one of your rooms...in the home right next to lighthouse in Puerto Angel. I'm up the coast (Melaque...) thru early January, when I'll continue south (via bus). I arrived in Mexico 6 Novembre (by air), & have been renting space in beautiful private home w/ pool one (vacant) lot back from the beach. The Senora can provide a 'reference' if desired.

Gracias, Juan

Is Diver Dan really dead?

Es una zona muy bonita si te gusta la naturaleza, y barata Cuando planeas ir?

I am going to visit Zipolite in two weeks and I want information about gay scene at Zipolite. Is it dangerous? Is it cool? Is it exists? How is it to spent New year's eve at Zipolite?

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stacy, i totally agree with you. drugs are bad mmkay.

i will be in zipolite or mazunte with my mexican bf from dec 29 through jan 4 (if we manage to find accomodation). care to get in touch? well, cu around anyway, probably ;-) can u recommend the 2 places where u might be staying?

cheers, till

The sale of cocaine and heroin creates violence both with the tourists and among the locals. The locals have such a peaceful culture. The importation of the addiction and crime is really horrible. We all become subjucated to the curse by the horror in the eyes of the addicts.

Mario, Typically on New Years Eve the gay folks build a huge bonfire on the beach, hold hands and sing Kumbaya and other such melodies. I assure you it is a "touching" experience. The post celebration/ritualistic pagan orgy is led by Daniel, the owner of Brisa Marina. Give him a big hug for me if you get the chance. David [%sig%]

The hamburguesas was great....

I am gay and have been going to Zipolite for over ten years including running a tour company the Oaxaca, Chiapas and Guatemala regions. The gay thing in Mexico I have always found to be as varied and diverse as the rest of the country. In Zipolite the gay crowd is a somewhat interesting mix of 40-50 yr old guys who have migrated from their more boring locations in Huatulco or whatever, local middle-class usually slightly repressed locals 30+ with a sprinkling of young hot backpackers. During New Years really anything could happen depending on the size of the crowd that shows. I have had everything on this beach from a hot 52 year old airline pilot/captain to a drop dead gorgeous 18 year old student from Puebla who insisted on double bagging for felatio. What is perhaps more interesting is when you can lure the interest of some of the hot, non-gay-identified surfer or gorgeous-in-stunning-health-I-have-been-living-on-juice-for-3-months-hippie types your way. Usually more fun and boy, when you get some of these 'straight' boys in the extremely discreet locale like the deep jungle--they can really suprise you how into it they will get! The places to score are at either end of the beach at Zip but they are really separate mini beaches that you climb or go around the rocks to reach the more secluded and nude areas. Be careful with sex very out in the open. Some of the law patrol will bust you. Also be aware of what 'types' might be lurking nearby; the usual common sense but otherwise enjoy. Never a problem in a cabana or room of course. Also the disco: La Puesta, closed mondays I think, can sometimes work. However, I have spent entire two week periods in non-holiday times with just me and my left hand: Trevor. I have been chased with a knife at one of these beaches for standing up to a local (he took my lighter, I took it back) so be extremely respectful, never go remote with anything you might want to lose...Truly violent episodes are rare up to now but the reputation of Zipolite as a druggy place continues to attract an undesirable element: with Mexican locals thinking the crack habits of the visiting surfers is all the they have to have to be cool. There is now a fair bit of coke on Zipolite, always pot though not the psychaedelic stuff they had when it was unknown. Locals have discovered that a lot of the visitors are willing to smoke oregeno. Corrupt police will patrol and suprise you so if you are into, ahem, "spiritual condiments," make sure you have the bribe if you carry. (I hear it is 200 pesos for weed). The surrounding beach villages are quieter and action is virtually non-existent unless by chance and they are non-nude at least where anyone can see you. They are, however remote places where you can bring a date and **** all day in the dunes and come out a lovely roasted brown (hopefully and not pink) piece of ass. Memories...I will be in Zipolite, possibly, from 21-28 and possibly even 23-30 but I don't know about New Years. My Name is Jordan Trudel and I stay at Glorias or Shambhala which is at the far end of the beach from the village. You can probably post a message for me if you want ot meet. I am always open to new friends and am somewhat of a font of information and stories on the area. I am also available for formal guiding at negotiable cost though if you are Mexican you will probably fare just as well without me. You can reach me at ancalagontheblack666@hotmail.com Later.

Hmmm. Drugs in Zipolite are a changing phenomenon and availability seems to depend on cop presences and recent busts. There is definitely lots of pot most of the time and cocaine has reared its jittery head in recent years. Prices are abysmal to ok depending on who you are dealing with but considering what a nearby peasant would sell you away from the beach compared to what you get there--now you know why you see the Mexican beach bums buying more drinks than you every evening.Quality of weed leaves a bit to be desired compared to us more technological folks home hydro and the greater popularity of the place have made the picky customers a minority and so has made selling the bush grade weed very lucrative. I have heard of mighty buds there recently but they sound imported and are comparible to North American prices if you can find it. Every mexican drug dealer has the"best stuff" if you know what I mean. On the beach or anywhere you appear the niave tourist you will get approximately 1/2 to 1 ounce of leafy crap that does make swimming a little more fun so you buy it, for about 30 dollars. When I first started going here I got about two ounces for about ten dollars. When I smoke this red bud sensi I saw dragonflies grow to giant size and the flowers started laughing at me...For good weed Zipolite now rides on reputation established in the past. I am contemplating smuggling in my own power buds! Peyote can be found as well as another cactus concoction the locals refer to as Mescalina. This stuff is mostly a ripoff and is a cheap buzz. Peyote is occaisionally available but can be expensive, dried and why anyone would want to take the time out of a short vacation to fast, get sick see visions and recover from a full-blown peyote trip in Zipolite climate is beyond me. Have a good trip. You can get me at ancalagontheblack666@hotmail.com

my paintings are on this site, if your lonesome for Zipolite. http://costachica.net/art/

Hey there, my Mexican bf and I (German) will be going to Zipolite (or Mazunte) from Dec 29 through Jan 4, 2003. So I guess we will see you around. Keep your eyes open ;-) Cheers everyone

Hey Oliver, my Mexican bf and I will be there too. Right now we are trying to book accomodation in Zipolite or Mazunte /San Agustinillo. Wanna meet? Wanna trade pics before?

Cheers, Till

i will be there too with my mexican bf from dec 29 through jan 4 approx. still looking for accomodation. what is a good place? i guess we will run into each other anyhow... cheers, t.

We are currently staying at Villa Escondida, so I asked for you. They appear not to have a phone yet. But they do have an e-mail adress: villaescondida2002@hotmail.com.

We think that Villa Escondida is a perfect place. Nice location, really nice cabanas with or without kitchen en even nicer people around there. Franco (gerente) is really taking care of his guests. The are currently working on the place, so within a couple of weeks it will be even nicer. The new pizza oven got its final shape yesterday, so you can expect some real good pizzas there soon.

Saludos, Arno

Yeah I am going to be. We might even know eachother already. I will be staying at Glorias in all likelyhood. In any case I am a nudist and will frequent those areas. I will wait to see you in person to judge but I am also good looking (if you look for your own kind!). I spend a lot of time in Zipolite alone so I would love a friend/**** buddy but I have a husband at home so I will not be latching on though I love to hang out if we have stuff in common. Reachable at ancalagontheblack666@hotmail.comOliver38 wrote: > Anybody fun and goodlooking in Zipolite during Xmas/new year. > Couples very welcome. I am a regular visitor and into quiet > vacations. Not looking for companion, just fun. > > Hola. Busco chicos guapos y alegres para pasar momentos buenos > durante navidad/anonuevo. Parejas bienvenidas. No busco > compania permanente. > > [%sig%]

Oh yes Rickky, you can be sure that this comes from the heart !!!. I am currently back on Zipolite's divine shore and the kids are running free in the pure bliss of their holiday time......now is a very good time to get to know these facinating little people of The Beach of the Dead !!!! We held one of the traditional Christmas posadas in the palapa last night......200 plus excited little faces, expectantly waiting for the sweets, tamales and agua de jamaica which are given out after the singing of the posada songs. There was one hell of a lot of rubbish to clear up after them as you can imagine !!! but also a great sense of joy at seeing so many happy SMILING faces ! all love to all Zipolite lovers......good xmas and a very happy new year to you all.

when I first went to zipolete in 1989 the whole of the beach was overrun by wild dogs..Several people were attacked by them..Walking back from a bar one night I found myself completely surrounded by a pack of them.My only escape was to kick sand in there eyes and head for the nearest palapa..In the end the locals came out and decided to start shooting them......Good idea as id rather them than me or some helpless child at night. Im sincearly sorry for the death of your fury friend. I had an adopted dog in zipolete for half a year but some restarant owner caught it in his bins and broke its back with a baseball bat.....the point is the lacals dont want dogs there at all wild or domestic.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hey great web site hello all you zipolites.......

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Hello all, Feliz Navidad. I am reposting this, as while my wife and I will unfortunately not be able to be in that place we love so much, the information therein is still good and, if followed, should allow anyone a more pleasant and healthy visit. Especially happy holidays to Puerto Bill and thanks for all his great informative and entertaining posts. On our last two trips to Mexico, one of five weeks, five years ago, and the most recent, two weeks, last month, we have enjoyed excellent health. Part of the reason for this, I believe is the a week prior to departing we each took an acidophilus pill daily and continued to do during our time in Mexico. The theory being that acidophilus is probiotic and it develops healthy bacteria in your intestines which will then enable you to resist foreign bacteria that your system is not used to. That along with the normal precautions about eating and drinking has prevented us from having to engage in those not so enlightened conversations concerning the solidity of one's movements, which it is well known detract from one's ability to enjoy Mexico. We have also found charcoal capsules to be an excellent relief for discomfort. The theory here being the charcoal filters out poisons. Last month, In Puerto Escondido, my wife gave a couple to a young woman we had meet who, one morning, had that look of "let me die now, lord", on her face and by late afternoon felt that a rum and coke, would be "just fine now, thanks". A true testimonial! Anyway, these two items, acidophilius and charcoal capsules can be found at most health food stores.

Ah yes, I will miss the old Zipolite, but you can't stop progress or development if you want to call it that! I also will be in Zipolite in about a month and will be staying at posada Shambhala. I will be doing my Thai Bliss bodywork there for about two months. If you want a deep tissue massage look me up. You can check out my website about my Thai Bliss & Rock Yoga practice at: www.sastun.net Cheers & disfrutelo

That was a very poetic discription of the local kids...The bad state of relations between torist and local children is not always because of drogas or the stories of evil gringos......I know that lots of the locals are robbing the visiters ....young and old...maybee the kids didnt respond to his hellos because there cousin was as they spoke robbing his rugsack............................................

one year a cheeky local kid stole my rucksack not content because there was only travelers cheques in it. he procede to poo a huge pile on the floor then stuck the cheques in it for me to find later..............I actualy returned from a party on l.s.d and had to go and find someone straight to confurm it wasnt a halucination.............cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeky little mexican boys..............

arrrrrrrrrrr but youve got to love em!!!!!!!!!

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I was wondering how this year has been on the coast. I've noticed that there are far more web pages about Zipolite this year than last & was wondering if the increased 'advertising' has had an effect on the population of passers-through? I suppose I'll find that out soon enough, as I'm arriving in Zipolite in roughly a month's time. I can hardly wait to jump outta the camioneta, windblown hair, bugs in teeth etc... Getting goosebumps thinking about it... Also, perhaps I just haven't looked hard enough, but I don't think anyone on this message board has mentioned the road that is being paved (with what looks like pink paving stones) right through Roca Blanca. I came across some pictures on another site and was more than slightly heartbroken. I'm wishing now that I had taken some photos of that road as it was. I'm thinking that pink cobbles will somehow take away that desert island feeling that makes Zipolite feel like a perfectly simple place, (yes, I've spent enough time there to realize that its anything but simple, but the Feeling!). Progress and all that, yes, I know. But I'm thinking that soon that dreaded feeling of 'civilization' will prevail. Call me crazy, but its a shame. Perhaps I'm just a spoiled, overly romantic Canadian chick, but I loved that bumpy dirt road. It was a kind of sport late at night, trying to feel my way along the constantly shifting bumps on the road toward Lo Cosmico. I sure am going to miss that.

Thanks Xoyotitla. I'm not new to travel in Mexico and wouldn't want to rush anything unnecessarily. Would be counter to the nature of the country, and generally, the whole reason I enjoy being there so much! As it turns out, I have more time than I originally thought, (YEAH!!!), and will be taking that roller coaster/bus ride after all. Just wondering if anyone knows if the lookout at San Juan, (where you can see the coast), is close to where the bus stops? Debating whether I should stop a night or two. Its tempting. Except its bloody cold up there! I guess I'll figure it out once I get there. Leaving the Canadian cold on January 8th. Sweet! Will be arriving in Zipolite somewhere around the 22nd or 23rd of Jan. Even sweeter...

Safe & Sane, check out Shambhala on New Years Eve. they have a wonderful celebration! check out their website! www.cepulihtoa.com

¡Felíz Navidád y Próspero Año Nuevo a todos. Ny absense has had noting to do with the board nor anything said thereon nor have I been an involuntary guest at the crowbar hotel as has been suggested. To explain my reticence would lead to a non-Mexico-related rant, and Christmas is not the season for such. I shall return; as always, if anyone feels that my meager supply of current knowledge about my favorite corner of paradise can fullfill a need, please feel free to drop me an email. Meanwhile, enjoy your holidays. Music note: Buy Del Castillo's "Vida" cd - a unique dueling flamenco guitar pair backed by a very good rock band. Of the 60+ bands I saw at this year's Austin City Limits Festival, they were the best. Also, Patricia Vonne's debut album would be an excellent Quanza present for yourself or anyone else on your list. Hers is the haunting voice you heard on the "Once Upon A Time In Mexico" soundtrack. And if any of you are in Austin on a Tuesday or Wednesday night, Allan Haynes may well be the best bluesman in Austin since Stevie Ray died.

Leaving poisoned food to control wild dogs affects the whole food chain. It kills birds, lizards, well-behaved pets, and potentially kids, indiscriminately. It is a terrible practice and it's not the way to solve the problem of the wild dogs.

Hola J - I had the same reaction to the paving stones when I visited before Christmas. There seemed to be fewer kids kicking soccer balls on the street, altho I was told they still do ... I didn't see it. No longer any need to wet down the dust, and it's better for bike riding kids. Reduced nighttime traffic. Few other apparent changes (yet), so much to be thankful for. Enjoy! Another J

Hola, I just returned from Ziipolite Saturday 12/27 and thought I to let folks know what's up. I flew into Acapulco on Sat. 12/20 and took a taxi to the crucera Cayoca east of Aca. There I caught a second class bus the got me to Puerto Escondido by nightfall. Next morning I caught a local bus to the San Antonio entrance to the road that leads to Mazunte, Zipo, and PA. On the beach by noon Sunday. It was quiet when I arrived and it was getting busy when I left on Friday 12/26. I went to the Pochutla bus station on 12/23 to get my return bus ticket in advance and was told there were no advance sales do to the holidays. That didn't make a lot of sense but he was insistant so I let it be. I happened to go into Pochutla on X-mas day and on a whim stopped by the bus station again and, sure enough, they sold me a ticket in advance. Gotta love Mexico. The main difference this year was the paving of the Roca Blanca road with red interlocking bricks. This is the street just of the beach where all the shops etc. are. It is now a bit of a pedestrian mall and aside from being a little rough on bare feet it isn't too bad. Not much else had changed since my last visit in January. There collectivos from Pochutla to Mazunte take Hwy 200 towards Escondido and then back into Mazunte as mentioned above. They will take you all the way to the Roca Blanca entrance but in order to be picked up at that point you have to walk back towards Mazunte 100 meters or so and wait for the collectivo to turn around. Gotta love Mexico. There is now a large micro bus that handles the Roca Blanca to Pochutla route. Price is $P7. Swimming was great all week! Take that all you naysayers of Zipo's ever dangerous currents. I know it can be treacherous but it was a blast all week. Nekked body surfing rules! Best meals: Breakfast at the little 2 de Diciembre restaurant across from La Puesta disco and a bit further down. Very nice atmosphere and breakfast with good coffee was $P35. I can also recommend Alquimista for great pasta and vibe. My mission for this trip was to deliver a pair of walkie-talkies to the lifeguards. I have always thought that it would be a useful contribution so I gave them a set. They seemed very excited but I never saw them in use. It's the thought that counts right? As I said earlier everything on the coast was filling up on the 26th and lodging will be tight until the weekend after the New Year. I've had some trouble posting lately so I hope this goes through. Buena suerte

I'm flying in to Huatulco in February. What is the easiest/least expensive way to get to Pochutla from airport? Also, looking for recommendation for inexpensive lodging for one night in Huatulco. Any suggestions? Thanks!

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I guess I'll be seeing it soon enough. I'm arriving in Zipolite around the 22nd or 23rd of January. That's the plan so far. So they've finished paving? The pictures I saw were from when they were just beginning. Ugh. Why pink??? Stupid question. Everything else in Mexico is or once was pink. Why not roads. I keep forgetting that up here in Canada, colour is more of an accessory than a necessity. Horrendous pink paving stones aside, I can't wait to arrive. Its getting COLD here! Can't wait to see some sun... ...and perhaps get a deep tissue massage from Daniel... ;-)

Hei hei you lot!!

I visited Zipolite in november me think. Absolutely great time! Nice and relaxing. Great beer! Modelo especial from a can, or whatever it`s called. And that bar that closed when they ran out of drinks, whith an argentinian guitar player. And me being the crazy viking who always had too much, improvising. Too much sun that be. I also remember a beutiful european girl standing in the ocean watching the sun set, and then the moon was in the black spot from the earth, wich ment total darkness. Amazing and symbolic, because I left the following mornig. See you!!

oleB.

Ten years from now we will be telling stories about what Zipolita was like, and no one will believe us!

YOU SHOULD HAVE SEAN THE BRONX IN THE ¨50¨s HOW ABOUT SAN FRANCISCO IN TH ¨60¨s New Orleans in the ¨70¨s Ireland in the ¨80¨s San Jose in the ¨90¨s Now I¨¨M THINKING OF going to Mars........enyone with a better idea....?

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Hi Lobo, if you seek a pretty womans this is a perfect place

So how was that save the turtles event? I got some pix, looked pretty ok...

You painted those, really? How old are you?

One of the changes that people commented on the most on my recent Zipo visit was the open soliciting of drugs. It's not just "mota y hongos" but cocaine, crack, and even heroin. I was propositioned many times in my short week there. I don't think the clientele were buying that much as many of us are beyond that and also realize the social destrution that it brings. One evening I sat on the beach near to young Mexicans from the "city" who were voraciously sucking crack through some Coke-can pipes. In the time I was there I saw no evidence of any form of law enforcement. As with much of Mexico, the drugs are there because they are being trafficked north to feed the appetites of us First World abusers.

well i am gay, and i'm going to zipolite in 2 days , i wait that someone write me and send me photos about him, because i am 19 years old, and i am funny and nice and i want have a good experience in zipolite, i am blond, and i am mexican , i am from veracruz, mi mail is hiandrew18@hotmail.com

Glad to hear about the Acidophilus. Just bought some a couple of days ago with the hopes that it might lessen the number of sprints to the toilet. Very happy to hear such a great testimonial. Thanks, J

I didn't mind when it was just herb, shrooms and opium, all fairly peaceful drugs. When the coke came, the vibe began to detoriate. And, yes, the last time I was there, in '99, the local bad boys and dealers were beginning to smoke the coke. The black tar heroin was nice, but when I began to see the desparate look in the eyes who became hooked, I thought I might as well be back in L.A. at the corner of Bonnie Brae and Burlington. But now, you say, they're selling and smoking (probably making it, too) crack on the beach? I'm sorry to hear it. The police, in some form or another, will soon arrive to cash in on this. Too bad. it was GREAT while it lasted.

well, the road is only open for 'traffic' in the mornings. they close it in the evenings for kids to safely play and for some of the cafes along that road to put their tables and chairs out into a reasonably clean street. they aren't stones, either, they are aloquin i think is what they call them and they are cement 'tiles' for the road. they come in pink or gray. i'd say pink is better. i think it looks nice, that new road. christ, it may be charming to visit a place with dirt roads, but it is a pain to live on one.

here is what one does. walk out to the main highway from the airport ignoring every taxi you meet. get the 12 peso microbus that passes by every fifteen minutes. if you're disoriented, get the ones traveling to your right (west) as you face the PEMEX station once you get to the highway.onelawrencio wrote: [%sig%]

joan. the whole of human behavior negatively effects the food chain. the food chain is completely mangled and all links are weakened. unfortunately, it won't only be the humans who die out, it'll be the whole web of life. now, as for dogs.i hate them. they rule the night time. i can't even go down the road on my bike without having to carry a machete to whack them (with the broad side) with as they litterally attack 100% of the time. poisoning them all certainly isn't the answer, but it might seem like the answer to a specific dog problem. parents, don't let your kids eat from dog bowls!! the real answer is this, if i were a vet, i'd become a traveling vet and make a deal with the agencias municipales saying, alright, you pay me 20 pesos for every dog i castrate. . . . .'.

actually, i'd like to take this a step further and cut the balls off of every newborn male worldwide so that in a generation, the human race disappears. that would be the best way to treat the dog problem. oh, and the food chain problem in its entirety.

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Hi, im gonna be at Zipo the week from january 17th to 25th, id love to meet girls who are going there those days too, i was there last year and i loved it, im gonna be staying at Lyoban....im from Monterrey,MEXICO im 29 and i like beer, punk rock and having fun, not too much into drugs, but if you are thats fine, write back somebody!

Hola soy de Monterrey y voy a estar en Zipo del 17 a l 26 de enero, esta chingon ahi ya fui el año pasado, la playa nudista pues es genial y lo mejor es que te olvidas del puto mundo real, si quieres escribeme, tengo fotos de mis vacaciones ahi el año pasado si las quieres ver, contesta pronto

Hat, Do I know you? You seem to follow my path, dates, location, etc.

email me and let me know your identity.

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Yes, this is a very sad thing, but there is a dog problem. There are those that blame local families for poisoning the dogs, they are not to blame. The Mexican goverment and the Mexican government agencies are taking care of the problem. As an American I am not allowed to get involved with politics. Yes, it's a political thing. Sorry Joan, but it's a problem that needs to be corrected. And this is the way the GOVERNMENT chooses to handle the situation. I do not disagree.

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I was at Zipolite for New Years Eve and it was one of the best experiences I had live in my hole life. The ritual celebrated alt Shambala was amazing. The beach was full of beautifull boys and everybody was living their lives free. I want to contact people that loves Zipolite as I do to share experiences about this magical place. Its sad to comment that Cosmico the dog that lives in Lyoban is lost, I hope he comes back on the next days.

Mario

HI,DO WE NEED TO GET HEPATITITS TYPE A VACINATIONS AND ARE THERE ANY SIDE EFFECTS ANY INFORMATION YOU CAN GIVE US WILL BE APPRECATED FROM CANADA I CANT SEEM TO FIND A SITE ON THIS SUBJECT derek

I would get the hepatitis "a" vaccination. I contracted hepatitis "a" in Oaxaca. I was very sick for several weeks.

Dear Everyone Who Loves Zipo, I was there over the holidays in 2003 just past and would like to contact Daniel Miller of Brisa Marina. The email I just sent on the ninth to the prodigy.net address did not work and was returned. Can anyone out there help me to find the correct email address.

Thank you all in advance for whatever information you can provide.

Daniel, How are you!!!!!???? I lost your card and have tried to reach you via the Prodigy.net address with no success. How is Fawn?

Please write or call and let me know how we can stay in touch!

I miss Zipo and our great conversations. Also want to send you the site I mentioned when we spoke over the holidays...

So please write back and tell me how to get in touch with you!

Thanks and hope all is well and still busy!

Kiss the ocean for me and hi to Marguerite and Tino and everyone else!

Marcia (was there just recently with Steve)

We just had the vaccination for our Feb trip. Sore muscles are supposed to be the only side effects. I did not notice anything, my wife was sore for a short while. As I understand it we need a booster in 6 months then you are immunized for good.

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The kids there roam around pretty freely (which is great), but it's only a matter of time before a child is poisoned. I remember a time when turkey buzzards were everywhere. Have you seen them in the last couple of years? It's clear that the birds of prey are dying off. The fact that the Government or the locals do it doesn't make it right. Yes, the dog problem should be addressed, but poison is terrible for the whole ecosystem. There are other ways.

Hey Buddy, Personelly: I like mans place in the food chain, any lower could negatively effect humans. As far as cutting the balls off of all new born males, at least you had the good sense to wait until the next generation . by the way dogs place in the food chain isn't too bad either. unless they happen to live in Asia

Wow, it just goes to show you, you find what you're looking for when you quit looking! I have been in search of a place like Zipolite for quite some time now, somwhere warm, laid back, beach and warm blue water, no big hotels and commercialsim, cold cerveza, hammocks on the beach, just the oppostite of Alaska in January! I'm freezing my butt off at home right now! Thanks to all who post here, I just happened to stumble over this page and couldn't be happier. You all paint such a beautiful picture of the place...I'll be looking for a ticket soon enough! Thanks

Hola Juan, que tal con su prequntas de La Costa Chica? Soy Daniel de Shambhala la posada en Playa Zipolite. My sister is the owner of Shambhala and I have been sort of in the shadows of her business for over 25 years. Originally I helped my sister Gloria build Shambhala along with friends and workers over 35 years ago. It is amazing Shambhala continues to be an anchor for seekers of truth. We turned from a simple restaurant called, "Arco de Noe" to a bohemian retreat and hostel called Shambhala. I'm coming into the limelight via the internet to promote myself and the Shambhala Vision as an alternative health spa, spiritual retreat and artist colony. Yoga, meditation, Tai Chi, massage, and Arica & Ishaya work have been ongoing at Shambhala, but we have always been written up a an funky place to hang out. My sister and I are changing the image of Shambhala and will be going through some management changes. In fact we are looking for a bilingual manager with hotel management experience. But most important the Shambhala Vision website: www.cepulihtoa.com and my Rock-Yoga website: www.sastun.net will promote Shambhala with its new image. We are calling upon holistic teachers, massage/ bodyworkers and artists to come to Shambhala and interact with seekers and students of truth, light and love. We both love our Ce-Pul-Ihtoa, "place of great vision" dearly and want to save it from becoming another typical Mexican hotel. We are in a wonderful power spot, nestled between Playa Cameron (our natural spa) and the far end of Zipolite beach, next to our famous "hole in the rock". I will be at Shambhala sometime in February to perform my Rock Yoga which is traditional & free form yoga on rocks and practice my Traditional Thai Bliss massage. I will also be taking digital pictures of Shambhala activities to upload on our websites when I return home to San Diego, California. Salutos to all free spirits! Daniel & Gloria of Shambhala

My sister is the owner of Shambhala and I have been sort of in the shadows of her business for over 25 years. Originally I helped my sister Gloria build Shambhala along with friends and workers over 35 years ago. It is amazing Shambhala continues to be an anchor for seekers of truth. We turned from a simple restaurant called, "Arco de Noe" to a bohemian retreat and hostel called "Shambhala". I'm coming into the limelight via the internet to promote myself and the new Shambhala Vision as an alternative health spa, spiritual retreat and artist colony. Yoga, meditation, Tai Chi, massage, Arica & Ishaya work have been ongoing at Shambhala, but we have always been written up a an "funky" place to hang out. My sister and I are changing the image of Shambhala and will be going through some management changes. In fact we are looking for a bilingual manager with hotel management experience. But most important the Shambhala Vision website: www.cepulihtoa.com and my Rock-Yoga website: www.sastun.net will promote Shambhala with its new image. We are calling upon holistic teachers, massage/ bodyworkers and artists to come to Shambhala and interact with seekers and students of truth, light and love. We both love our Ce-Pul-Ihtoa, "place of great vision" dearly and want to save it from becoming another typical Mexican hotel. We are in a wonderful power spot, nestled between Playa Cameron (our natural spa) and the far end of Zipolite beach, next to our famous "hole in the rock". I will be at Shambhala sometime in February to perform my Rock Yoga which is traditional & free form yoga on rocks and practice my Traditional Thai Bliss massage. I will also be taking digital pictures of Shambhala activities to upload on our websites when I return home to San Diego, California. Salutos to all free spirits! Daniel & Gloria of Shambhala

Hello I am really enjoying reading about Zipolite. It sounds impossibly lovely. I plan to travel with 2 other professional artists as a working holiday in March. We are interested in renting a villa as we are planning on staying for one month. What is in Zipolite in the way of accomodations? Possible studio space? Are we crazy? Also, how much money should we expect to spend daily if we cook for ourselves, and have some evenings out. We are two women and a man. What is the age range of people visting and or living in Zipolite? Is it easy to get out and sight see in near by communites? Is it easy or expensive to rent a car ? Is there anything else we really need to know? The site has been really helpful. Thanks!

Testing to see if this works and comes to my inbox.Marcia Kamm wrote: > Dear Everyone Who Loves Zipo, > > I was there over the holidays in 2003 just past and would like > to contact Daniel Miller of Brisa Marina. The email I just > sent on the ninth to the prodigy.net address did not work and > was returned. > > Can anyone out there help me to find the correct email address. > > Thank you all in advance for whatever information you can > provide.

Larry, I agree with the previous poster; take the bus. If you want to get directly to Zipolite rather than Pochutla, you can take either the bus or a collectivo cab to Zipolite from there depending upon the time you arrive. Last year I didn't arrive at Huatulco Airport 'til about 7.30PM and as I had a reservation in Zipolite, they sent a car to pick me up at the airport and it was $30US. Certainly a lot more money but very convenient and safer during travel after dark.

Hola...I am an artist who has been living in Zipolite for 2 years. Here is exactly what is happening. I often go to a select few great restaurants. Alcamista...Pasta or Pizza, both huge and filling and simply wonderful and two killer margaritas...$100 pesos...Great places to stay on the beach, from, most with detcahed showers and bathroomns, usually sparkling clean, 50 to 100 pesos a night. I personally know a great palapa down away from the Shambala madness part of the beach at the opposite end where the yoga center is. Two Americans, one an artist/writer and the other a artist too built a two story white house with a 3rd story palapa on top. Impossible to miss...Next to it is a wonderful palapa, huge, and I mean huge deck on the sand. Security is %100, all family owned, and the view and breezes are to die for. The lady..."Maria" will rent the place for $70, thats right $70 pesos a night on a weekly rate...Thats roughly 6 bucks times 30 days equals $180 for the month all water, electricity included...Its quite at that end of the beach, I prefer it so I live somewhere down there....Other bits of info...Happy hour,,,Eclipse Bar...Two wonderful drinks for the price of one...Pizza 40 to 50 pesos...ONGO...Best Filet Mignon steak, mashed potatoes, bread and drinks...50 pesos and on and on and on...taxi to more later

Tina, I have to say that I think your paintings are, well, cute!

I was in Zipolite in 1988 (or was it 1989?). Anyway, it was fairly devoid of tourists - just a few huts and Gloria's at the end. It's changed a lot! Ahhhl! Your paintings take me back...

A fellow painter, Gale West Vancouver BC Canada

buddy, why don't you just kill yourself and get the ball rolling.

last night was wonderful in mazunte with the biggest castillo of fireworks i had evern seen before. it was a work of art and stunning beauty. then 'mar azul' played a show, well, there really aren't 'shows' like what i think of, you know where say, the flaming lips come to town and play a club, there more like 'dances' because no one really is a fan of music for music's sake here, but anyway, my gawd, what a saxophone player. i'd like to do a record with that cat. he played like was on fire!!!!!

Try brisamarinaca@yahoo.com

Thanks! I painted them after my camera burned in the fire, and I had a lot of energy, at first we laughed and I really didn't like them...but later they got more detailed and better. The computer doesn't show the detail. Thanks for your support. I haven't actually painted since I had my baby...I hope to get back into it. Maybe someday when I get back to Zip I can get inspired.

Greetinngs friends of Shambhala: I will be in Zipolite mid February and gathering interested nature lovers, adventurers and yoga practioners (all types) to join me for a one or two day trip to Shambhala's hidden retreat in the foothills of Oaxaca next to the Chacalapa river. I will be the guide and facilitator for this sublime Rock Yoga traiining. We will build a sweat lodge on our land, "El Encanto" and enjoy using the river rock forms for yoga practice. Auto massage lessions will also be included with hand held rocks. If interested in signing up for this event in February or learning more about the event please go to the Shambhala website: http://www.cepulihtoa.com and click on Special Events page. Omateol

Hello, I have been to Brisa Marina 5 years ago, and keep Daniel´s card, do you want the number ? (I ignore if it is the same, after all this years....) Regards Emilio www.woltonparts.com

Hi Daniel, Just started doing Yoga and it sounds like a fun, but won't be in Zipolite this winter. Will check out the website though.

Well well, Zipolite sounds that the ideal place to start a Mexican adventure and I will be down there in a couple of weeks. Looking forward to lounging back the days on the beach and tubbing a few quiets in the evening. I look forward to meeting those long term residents who went there for a few weeks and have never left.

If anyone can recommend a great place to stay around the $20US a night that would be great. The Shambhala sounds like a pretty relaxing spot, any views from travellers that have stayed there?

Looking forward to chilling Fish

Hi, I read your e-mail which inspired me to write. I am going to Zipolite on Feb. 14 for 13 days and am looking for a cabana next to Shambala called El Alquimista. Have you ever been there ....or heard of it? What kinds of things are there to do down there? I look forward in hearing from you at your convience. -Pamalasika@aol.com

Hi Daniel, I tried calling your number in California mentioned on your website but with no luck. A woman kept saying I had the wrong number? I am glad I finally found you here. I will be heading to Zipolite around Feb. 14 to recover from pneumonia. An artist friend, Dan P. told us great things about your center. My finacee and I plan to stay next door at El Alquimista and look forward in eating healthy food at your cafe. I am a Trager Bodyworker, Voice expression-dance Improvisation artist, performer and teacher. I also do Authentic Movement/Contemplative Dance combined with mindful meditation and Svaroopa yoga. I read on your website that you were looking for teachers.......We'll be staying only 13 days but plan to check out your studio spaces. I use to do Contemplative Dance on rocks when I taught in Algarve, Portugual. Good luck to you and your sister in transforming Shambala. I look forward in meeting you, taking classes and getting some bodywork to sooth my soul and warm my heart from these artic tempatures over here in Connecticut. Namaste-Pamala Ps How easy is it to get around with no spanish?

Hi, Does anyone know how to reach the owners of El Alquimista in Zipolite? I hear it is near Shambala? We are looking for a VERY nice and comfortable place with good mosquito nets or no mosquitos(?)to rest/recover for a few weeks in Feb. Are there yoga classes held somehwere other than at Shambala?

Hi, Does anyone know how to get ahold of cabanas El Alquimista, near Shambala in Zipolite? Is it possible to live in this area for 2 weeks and not speak Spanish?

Hi Daniel, What are the exact dates of your program and how much does it costs? What kind of accommadtions do you offer? I am alsointerested inthe styles of yoga you teach. Thanks and good luck!!!

Dear Pamala, I will be in Zipolite mid February and details about the retreat will be announced February 15th at Shambhala where I will be staying. Retreat accommadation will be in a tent provided by the participant, if you wish to stay for the 2nd day. The 1st day is all day for $300 pesos (about $30.00 USD) and if you want to spend the night at "El Encanto" in your tent and enjoy the sweat lodge with more Rock Yoga lessons it will cost $500.00 pesos (about $50.00 USD for both days). To be paid to me at Shambhala on the 1st day of trip. The 2 day retreat will be Saturday & Sunday February 21st & 22nd. Hope you can make it!

Note: You can stay at Shambhala in Zipolite for a small fee (around $50.00 pesos) in the communal loft area. You get a bed, mosquito net and use of the showers for that price.

Hi JoAnn, we will miss your participation in the Rock Yoga, "El Encanto" retreat. Perhaps next year around the same time you can make the class. Rocks are the bones of the earth and hold our history sacred.

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Hi again Pamala, I did not know you wanted such nice accommodations! Go to the Alquimista Restaurant below Shambhala and ask about their cabanas. I think they go for about $500.00 pesos per night! Oh and a lot of the people that hang out at the Alquimista speak English. Good luck!

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Pamala, Speaking only English is not a big problem in Roca Blanca. If you're willing to pay $P500 per night you might also want to check out "El Paraiso" for about $P350-450. Look for the three story concrete structure. Beautiful modern rooms w/bath and with great views if you get the surf side. Buena suerte

Hi Since I decided to visit the Zipo area I've been checking this board often. It's great! Lots of information and helpful people. I'm planning on visiting around the first of May and would like to hear from anyone who has any experience with fishing. I've done quite a bit on the Caribean coast over the last 13 years (without a guide, I can't afford one and really do prefer to explore and find my own fish). Now I want to try the Pacific coast while I'm vacationing in Zipolite ans surrounding areas. Can anyone help me?? Thanks Tom [%sig%]

How's your Zapotec? This is Oaxaca, Spanish is a colonial language spoken by an occupying force and thousands of tourists whom feel obligated to aide the conquerors pacify the indigenous population. The Zapotecs do not have a Mexican identity, yet tourists see them as "Mexicans". They cannot vote, do not pay taxes, and they are not able to get a Mexican Passport (don't ask about health care). Most of Oaxaca is in effect an Indian Reservation; the Mexican Federal Government controls the city of Oaxaca by force, you will see the guns!!! Only 30% of the people in Oaxaca speak Spanish and one third of them are tourists many of which comes specifically to learn Spanish and help to perpetuate the oppression of the Native people.

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I feel the same way, the cruel Norman oppressors overtook my British homeland.

me to, i's from oklahoma! damn europeons. may the get what's coming to them

elalquimistainfo@hotmail.com This is the e-mail that you are looking for And yes, you could live there without speaking spanish

Pol: you are wrong, VERY WRONG with most of your information. That can be your own foreing and touristic idea, but is really really far from the truth. Maybe 400 years ago, but not today. Almost every single of the indians in oaxaca (and in most of the country besides some small tribes in chiapas and, mostly, in Sonora and Chihuahua, speak spanish today) Why to they speak spanish? It is not because of education since most villages in the sierras of Oaxaca have their own teachers and programs. It is because a Zapoteca can´t comunicate with a Mixe or mixteco, or nahuatl in zapoteco, hence they both use spanish. It is just as the engilsh as a world trade language. Most comunities pay some taxes. When you buy a beer or a soda you are paying some taxes. In the case of the Zapotecos in la sierra de Juares they are mostly comunidades autonomas. This is they don´t pay some taxes, but they also don´t recive some services, they don´t vote for national or state elections but they have their own autorities and they OWN about 95% of Oaxaca forests in that sierra. They have fought a lot to be respected like that, why, because they can aford better services by themselves than the ones the goberment is suposed to provide (just look at the sierra mixteca also in oaxaca or the comunities in guerrero and chiapas). Of course the state and federal goberment want them to pay taxes and vote, but also they are protected by the federal law so at the end they are safely doing what they want and choose. The kind of support they want and ask for to the ONG´s (non goberment organizations) is training to take care properly of the administration of their forest companies and how to interact with the global market. They are being represed by the police because cops have guns? lol. Man cops do have guns. Funny is that in some parts of México sometimes the normal cops have guns but they don´t have bullets. Oaxaca is one of this places. If you want to see well armed cops go to México city, Guadalajara or, of course, culiacan and all of the border cities from Matamoros to Tijuana. But this is because all of the drugs that go to the US, not because of the Indians.

To finish this let me tell you that they can vote if they want too, they can pay taxes if they want too, and, THEY CAN HAVE A MEXICAN PASSPORT if they want too, Specially now that males don´t even need the military service to get one. But the question is, if you don´t need a mexican passport to go to Guatemala or Belice, what so you want a passport for if you aint getting de US visa in 100 years? Better save the money and go swiming (for the mixtecos and some mixes), or better stay in your forest and save a bullet in your head in the desert of the US (for the zapotecos).

I am waiting for the day when a Zapotec will say "we" on this forum, your use of the word "they" say's more about you. The Zapotecos and Mextecos are attending American Universitys and will gain independence from Mexico along with their brothers and sisters in Chiapas.

I don´t think that the intention of my post is to talk about me in any way but well...

"The Zapotecos and Mextecos are attending American Universitys and will gain independence from Mexico along with their brothers and sisters in Chiapas." I can´t see that but as a 100% visceral and utopic argument with no logical or valid justification. Please be serious and realistic it is a culture and a country you are talking about. How many Zapotecos or mixtecos do you think are attending a US university? (talking about colonialism i think you are refering to the US universities as American Universities not taking into acount all of the mexican and other universities in the rest of the continent with that name) Do you know the situation in Chiapas and what is going on over there? Do you have any idea of all the political and catholic B!#$%#"T involved? How can attending US will gain them independence? Learning english instead of spanish? Do ypu think that kind of education is what they want and what will help them as a culture? Have you asked them?

As Comunidades Autonomas they ARE independent already in some way. Look I´m not saying that the situation in my country is allright and off course I´m not defending my corrupt and incompetent goberment at all, i just think that the idea that you have of this situation and the cultures involved is extremely simplistic, incorrect and romantic. If you are really interested in some of the intercultural problems I sugest you to read something of the maestro Bonfil Batalla, specially "Pensar nuestra cultura" (To think our culture) or México profundo (Deep México) I hope it helps.

Oaxaca is 70% Indigenous, yet the PRI have 100% control. What is wrong with this picture?

Tomorrows leaders are in Universities in the USA today, would any Mexican University let Indians attend? Native Americans from the USA are involved in Chiapas and Oaxaca.

Mexico is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, thanks to Pemex. The Mexican government is extremely competent; they collect $50 from me every time I visit. They have you convinced that the indigenous people belong in the jungle; you know your place and are complicit in keeping the Indians impoverished.

I've always wanted to go bonefishing too. Give Tom some information please, someone. Are there Bonefish off this coast? Off the coast of Cozumel? I watched fishermen cleaning them on Caye Caulker in Belize and they really seem to have an armor of bone on them. Very interesting fish! All I've heard is that you fish for them in the shallows, walk right in the water and cast. Anyway, this is what they do further south in Belize and off Roatin. Of course the fishing guides charge a fortune for this. Don't see why you can't bring your own tackle and fish for them if someone would just tell us where they are.

any luck yet finding capoeira in oaxaca? i'm aching to get back on the beach and would love to play some capoeira while i'm there. wouldn't mind a little badmitton either.

QED Earthquake Bulletin Magnitude 5.0 Date-Time 2004 01 13 19:50:19.2 UTC Location 16.090N 96.925W Depth 29 kilometers Region OAXACA, MEXICO Reference 65 km (40 miles) NW of Puerto Angel, Oaxaca, Mexico http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/qed/qed_dpax.html The Cocos plate is moving northeastward at about 7.3 centimeters/year and collides with the Pacific coast of Mexico.

JoAnn This is exactly what I've done on the Caribean side - wadefishing, hunting and finding my own fish. There are many other message boards that have a lot of info about the Caribean side of Mexico, but at this point I don't even know if I should bring as fly rod with me to Puerto Angel / Zippo. . I havent been able to find out anything about the bones on the Pacific side. I have posted the same question on some flyfishing meaasge boards and so far NADA---. If you've never caught a bone on a fly rod, the best description I've ever heard, compared them to mini nuclear submarines - very strong and spirited fish. I've never eaten one, catch and release for me, but I do know locals will eat them if they accidentally catch them.

Shayne, How right you are, there is always more than one reason for any phenomena and your story is a rather funny example of one. The kids probably needed your rucksuck to carry off yet more booty taken from other 'trusting' foreigners !!!! On my very first visit to Zipolite in 1987, while a chatty restaurant owner was entertaining my boyfriend and myself, his sister was helping herself to the uppermost contents of my bag !!!, she is now ...17 years on, one of my best friends there !!! Zipolite yet again proves itself to be a perfect micro-example of the macro our world is living. aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Zipolite...................

If you mean the Liberacion De Tortugas planned for the 27th december......it was utter choas as was to be expected.......or ? !!!. 500 baby turtles born at 5am on the same day were handed over in a thoroughly mad rush of eager hands and deposited into exceptionally high waves at sunset......... ............a massive quantity of them washed back up in the next wave and disappeared into waiting pockets, bags and even plastic cups of the gathered masses. I for one heard of at least 40 tortuguitas in the hands of the locals and tourists the following day, and that is only from the Colonia Amor end of the beach On the morning of the 28th it had already been dubbed as El Masacre De Tortuga. I guess a few did make it out to deeper water, and of those few, I guess a couple might make it. It was facsinatIing to watch it all happening and at least the local primary school managed to make a bit on the sale of the $35 peso tickets. The certificates that were given out to those who bought tickets and released (or not) a baby turtle into the sea, were very atractive too !. God bless good intentions.

i would haave happly swam a bag of them past the surf line .

gee, what a fool-proof way to pick up women! you guys are going to have to beat 'em off with a stick!

have fun gentlemen.

That's funny Ricardo!

Seen New York Times magazine section cover story? Online at NYT website.

Going way back on this post to where John Williams says there are no sea snakes in the area. That may well be right, but I have certainly seen things that looked amazingly snake like at Puerto. Almost stepped on a yellow, black, and red one washed up and dying on the beach. It had the flat tail common to sea snakes. Also was snorkeling off Marinero in P.E. and saw a similiar one swimming away from me. They certainly had a snake like body and looked nothing like any eel I've ever seen. The one in the water certainly swam like a snake.

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Ok, so i can´t be wasting and wasting my time like this. I ask you to please read at least one of those books I mention so you can have a more realistic view of what happens in my country TODAY.

A lot of those leaders studing in the USA you mention ARE ruling the country TODAY and are precicely those who don´t care about the indian cultures (but not in the way you are presenting the problem, it is way more complex, again, ´please read). Yes, Harvard has hurt my country a lot, thanks to Harvard and Salinas de Gortari with his family switzerland is richer today :-( The PRI or any other political party has no control, influence or power at any comunidad autonoma in the country.

Have you ever been in Chiapas with the Zapatistas? I´ve been a couple of times and trust me, there is a lot of B#"!#$T involved: church, politics, indians, no indians, mexicans, foreign country watchers and participants but I have never ever seen or heard about any american native involved. By the way, if you read yhose books I mention you will also learn that the culture of the north american indians (or what is left of it) is VERY VERY diferent to the culture of the mesoamerica civilization.

Every single university in the country has indian students. In the state universities (not the privates) most of the students come from a mesoamerican heritage even if some of them don´t speak a native language any more. In fact, about 80% of the populatio9n of the whole country comes from a mesoamerican heritage. Again, read one of those books and you´ll see. "They have you convinced that the indigenous people belong in the jungle" Most of the population in the big cities arrived from the jungle, forest and, mostly, the desert. If you knew how mexican cities are built you´ll notice barrios that live as comunities (this is mesoamerican culture more similar to chicano barrios in LA than to McDonalds and Hollywood university stuff) The extended family, the fiestas, piñatas, posadas, rosca de reyes, mi casa es tu casa and most of the aspects that internally (not foreign stereotipes) identify the mexican as mexican COME from the mesoamerican culture. So our culture does not belong to the jungle, is widely spreaded in all of the country with it´s specific regional diferences. Maybe someone somehow have you convinced that we were convinced that the indigenous people belong in the jungle, someone that has not too much information about what is talking about but an special skill to simplify and create false not so convincing arguments. BTW we are proud to be mexicans and we are proud of the mesoamerican way of life thet rules our life in the country and in the city

Here is the link to the NYT story...http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/25/magazine/25SEXTRAFFIC.html This is the "way of life" my "friend" here is proud of...

Again Zapoteca's do not have a "Mexican" idenity, or a "mesoamerican" idenity.

If you want to know about Native Americans search the Internet, they have thousands of websites.

I have only visited Oaxaca and I can tell you that I have been to three countries that no longer are on the map; change is coming to Oaxaca...it's going to rock your world!

Usted no está perdiendo tiempo, nosotros está aprendiendo sobre su opinión del mundo. Agradezco le por su honradez, y la apesadumbrada para mi carencia del español.

pol, who are you, as a visitor to Oaxaca, to judge a culture by what you read in magazines and newspapers. Cheers to you for travelling and seeing countries that no longer exist. I don't see how that fact is relevant to your argument aside from petty self-aggrandizement, but kudos none the less.

You have every right to formulate your self-righteous opinions on what is right for Mexico, but at least get your facts straight. First off, the PRI does not control the country anymore as you seem to claim in your diatribe earlier and though they do retain some power, its certainly not the 100% you claim. Secondly, no matter who has the power, the culture of Mexico and indeed the whole of Latin America is firmly rooted in the culture of the indigenous people that still make up the majority. It is arrogant and racist of you to claim that the indigenous people of Mexico have been convinced that they belong in the jungle. They have not. If you are as well travelled as you claim you are, surely you have seen that in cities across Mexico (Guanajuato, DF, Puebla, Aquismon, Pochutla, Morelia, Oaxaca) many native Mexicans are thriving. Not all of course, but many are.

Your blanket stereotypes of what native Mexicans are is offensive to everyone who has had extensive contact with the beautiful people of this amazing country. Keep reading. Keep sending articles about all that is wrong in the world. I'll read them with gusto. But don't claim that ONE ARTICLE in a news publication in any way captures a "way of life" for anyone.

The PRI control Oaxaca. The Indigenous people are the majority, so why are they third class citizens in a land they have live in for over 10,000 years?

Check out Shambhala's meditation point (loma) for a fantastic place to practice capoeira. It's at the far end of Zipolite beach. Buenas suerte, Kana Benzaa

Primero necesitas estar en el centre de oaxaca, ahi preguntas por la central de camiones y de ahi toma un camion a Pochutla, tarda alrededor de 6 hrs en llegar y con un costo de $ 90 pesos , y de ahi toma un camion para Zipolite tarda en llegar como 30 min y el costo es de 10 pesos y ya eso es todo

pol wrote: > The PRI control Oaxaca. The Indigenous people are the majority, > so why are they third class citizens in a land they have live > in for over 10,000 years?

I hope that is a rhetorical question. Surely someone as well read as yourself knows the answer. Hint: it jingles in your pocket and you can trade it for goods and services.

The fact that indigenous people worldwide are taken advantage of by the powers that be is terrible, but well established. Most will agree on that.

The FICTION (that you present) that indigenous Mexicans have been "convinced they belong in the jungle" is misguided, racist, and a slap in the face of every indigenous person. Give them a little credit. They're not as clueless as you'd have us all believe.

The Amuzgo, Chatino ,Chinantec, Chocho, Chontal, Cuicatec, Huave, Ixcatec, Mazatec, Mixe, Mixtec, Náhuatl, Zapotec, and the Zoque are NOT Mexican. As the majority they have every right to form their own Nation. They are NOT conquered, they are entitled to create their own destiny.

No one is claiming that they don't, pol. Have you read any post anywhere on this website that refutes that right? Your posts are beginning to seem like ramblings.

Are you arguing your case or rallying troops?

These people survived the Maya and Aztec's and will outlast the Spaniards.

It's you who haven't read the posts, you're an angry and confused Anglo.

Anglo! Hah! That's funny, he's an "Anglo".

Is there an indigineous peoples separatist movement?

Kind of a slow starter.

Hey, did people evolve there or did people migrate there from someplace?

Just wondering...

Also, question authority.

I declare myself guilty of falling into pol´s racist, midguided and stupid troll. I´ll stop now since i think the troll is more than obviuous and because I sincerely trust that any intelligent person will follow his steps and judge a country (not to mention the pure mesoamerican groups) from an article about a sex slavery criminal chain in NJ and Chicago... Duh...

This thread was not about that article, but it did state that Mexican Officials at the Mexico City International airport were involved. You turn your back on this as well as the plight of the indigenous people.

and what exactly are you doing about the sex chain scandal, pol? Aside from typing incendiary notes about all of us and our supposed inattention to the plight of indigenous groups. by the way, how does my dissent of your twisted views cause you to believe i'm a confused Anglo? is that relevant at all? it seems the only person concerned about race on this board is you. you really need to check yourself, pol. you reveal your reactionary, racist ideals more with each post.

I agree with everything pol has writen, the Mexico we know will not stay as it is. Reform will come, change happens in every country. The racists like Mexico just as it is today with all it's injustice!

Mucho gracias señora. El cambio no puede venir rápidamente bastante para nosotros, cambio asusta otros.

Hi I am looking for some comments on Lola's from anyone who has stayed there. Is it as peaceful as it sounds in Whipperman's (Oaxaca) review. I have always stayed in PA but, decided a beach front location would be a nice change. thanks in advance

The meditation point is beautiful, but watch out for those cliffs when you are cartwheeling around!! Not really enough space up there for it.

Always us living love in the present moment! Tohamkumrah!

Yeah, it was -- nicely done!

Pamala, Speaking as a gringo with almost no Spanish myself, it's not too tough. Seems to me that the El Alquimista restaurant has menus with English translations; easy enough to get the hang of it so you can figure out what you're ordering at the places that don't. Try to pick up at least the polite necessities before you go -- goes a long way toward ending the "ugly American" stereotype... Not that Zipolite seems like it would attract too many of those anyway.

My wife and I will be returning to Zipolite for the second time in March; too bad we won't overlap.

And to everyone else -- Do visit Shambhala even if you don't stay there. It's a truly unique and special place that Gloria and Daniel have created. And I can vouch for the quality of the massage Daniel gives!

Blessings, B

I have stayed at Lola's several times and never had any problem. I've always stayed in an upstairs room with a private bathroom; the last time was in the front overlooking the beach. The rooms are average in size, no air conditioning but with a fan. The water is hot at certain times, I found late afternoon to be the best. There's always a breeze so the lack of air conditioning was not a problem, at least, for me. The owners are congenial and accommodating and the food in their restaurant was always very good. Some three years ago, the upstairs front room was 700 pesos for a week, a price I negotiated. I expect that they are considerably more expensive now. The linens were clean, I got a clean towel every day and to sum up, I'd say I got good value for my money. Each room has a lock and keys which work and I found security was not a concern. While not as nice as some of the PA hotels, the location certainly makes up for it.

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Here is a Zapoteca with a website of his own; http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~lieb/ He is blazing a trail that many more will follow.

lola's has a nice new teja roof covering the restaurant area that makes the place 100 times more pleasant. they even have some hammocks hanging for patrons. the prices are still very reasonable for beachside and it is probably the best place there to see the sunset.

Thanks for the info.....two positve comments and a good review in Whipperman's Oaxaca. I'm sold.

hey all young 30's good looking fit adverturous type coming to zipolite mid feb looking for other cool folks to hang with drop me a line thanks mike

The flight is great. You see the beauty of the bosque. It is very dependable and is much faster than the bus. Not as adventuresome but if you want to get to the beach quickly it is great.

Dear Cathy, Well said. It is information that I will use when I go there....Thanks Leonard

Bonefish are found in all tropical waters planet wide-in Hawaii and Fiji they are much much bigger than any in the Caribbean-the size of a man's arm. However the flats necessary for classic Bonefish stalking exist in only a few places-none of them anywhere on the Pacific Coast of the Americas. Fishing from shore in the Zipo area is tougher because of the surf-it's actually easier to cast toward shore from a Panga and you'll catch a lot more fish that way too. However if you have the gear, the casting skills and the stamina to search out likely places the coast does hold lots of different Inshore species. Do a search on Flyfishing Baja-techniques and flies-anything that works there will work farther south

Hola amigos::para los que a penas van a conocer Zipolite seguro van a querer regresar eso se los garantizo::por favor saludenme a la banda del df::que ya tienen rato viviendo por alla:::saludos a Janet: a Susana y a su hermano Mauro::Espero que nosotros vayamos en dic del 2004 por el momento todavia andamos aqui en Francia extranando el sol de nuestro hogar::atte:::Jean Pierre, Noemi y Emilie:

HGola me llamo Cesar. Ahorita vivo en Suecia, pero en abril me voy a Zipol pa´ver a mis hermanos que ya estan ayi. Me quedo indifinitivamente. Aver si nos vemos por aya.

Hello Tom. Happy to hear there are others who go to zipolite for sport fishing. Currently i live in Sweden, but have been down there a couple of times. In April im goin down there to see my brothers who are already there and also love fishing. Dont know about bonefish, but there is all kinds of fishing there.

Maybe ill see ya down there, //Cesar

800 pesos for half a kilo of outdoor skunk. Plenty of crystals

Wow Pamala, you sound like the ideal teacher for Shambhala! I look forward to meeting you and showing you around our place. I'm sure you will pick up a little Spanish, even in 13 days. Sorry about the phone number on my website. I will check it out. Namaste

Try Shambhala at the far end of the beach. I`m looking for someone to hike the Chacalapa river in the foothills of Oaxaca. I give Thai Bliss massage at Shambhala and will be looking for anyone interested in going to our retreat called "El Encanto" at the Chacalapa river to practice yoga on the rocks! Look for my sign in the Shambhala Restaurant. Chao

Hi Brad, thank for the recommendation. I look forward to seeing you there. Daniel

Jolanda!!! I have information about a one Roda playing in Oaxaca, please answer me for give you more data. Salve Capoeira!!! Axe!!! my name is Octavio. Aracne is my batizado

yummyCesar Morales wrote:

si viajo a ZIPOLITE es posible poder conectar cocaina

Yo viajo en una semana para allá y me gustaría saber que tan seguras son las carreteras Huatulco-Zipolite.

How secure are the roads Huatulco-Zipolite? I travel to Huatulco next week, rent a Jeep and visit Zipolite is safe?

To the person that mention "Peyote" the place for the Peyote is Real de Catorce, in San Luis Potosi desert.

PD.- Javier, por lo que dicen es este foro parece que si es posible.

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Hey john Williams,Since you give great advice, could i have the name of the hotel you recommend in Augustinillo.Was thinkiing of posada dona sol but know nothing about it. Am returning to Mexico fot 6th visit but have only been to Escondido which was great. Stayed at Flor de Maria and the hosts Paul and Giovanna are super. Actually from my hometown but did not know that when we went. I am 57, female and travelling solo.I would like the hotel to have helpful, friendly owners. thanks

comming to zipolite this week! catch me at the glorias as i want to stay there look for the tall green eyed shaved head guy mike

Gay, I'm going with friends to ZIp for the first time 4/25-5/7. Any goosd funky but clean lodging, right on the beach, that you can recommend? thanks, jeff

Still have that gret hotel in Zip? I'm part of 4 adults & a 5-yr-old boy looking for a place April 25-May 7. If it's your place, can you describe what's available, with price, proximity to the beach, and photos if possible? thanks, jeff

Was just there, there is a military check point at Pochutla now and they will search you. I was one the bus and not stopped but I would be careful of driving with any **** between the two places. Hope this helps. Mota Man

While visiting the Costa Chica, stop by LA BIBLIOTECA SAN AGUSTINILLO, located in the Casa Municipal in San Agustinillo. We have books in English, Spanish, French, German, Italian, and other languages. If you are staying in the area for a while, you can just take out books to read while you are visiting......or if you are here for a quick visit, we can trade or sell books. We are open 2 to 5 pm Monday through Saturday. If you have children, they are welcome to visit our outdoor area where the local children play chess, paint, color, and do their homework. Stop by also if you need some travel information. This library is a service to the community and tourists. For more information, look for us on this website. Nos vemos pronto..

You'll be able to find a nice bungalow with studio space, but you'll probably just have to flow down there and work it out. There should be plenty of openings in March because I think things start to get mellower then. You can start by just getting a temporary bungalow or room and then make connections and transfer to somewhere that suits your needs better. A friend has a lovely three bedroom house on the beach for 400 a month, for instance. These things are available with a little imagination and luck. If you do some cooking on your own, you'll spend very little. Maybe ten dollars a day for the three of you? But you'll likely want to go dine on the sand from time to time, because the food and the atmosphere is amazing. You can have a royal feast for ten dollars a person, drinks and all. Or you can go fast, cheap and out of control on tamales from Sergio or Elvira for about a buck and find yourself full and contented for the better part of the day. The first visit to Zipolite will be explorational. You'll return and know your way around better and be able to secure perfect accomodations and get into a satisfying rhythm with cooking and dining out, etc. It will be quiet enough to get work done and lively enough to provide you with any diversions when you want them. Anything else you're wondering about? I'm happy to talk about Zipolite all day long. I'm think of coming down in early April; will probably stay at Daniel's place, the big hotel--Las Brisas Marina, I think. Five bucks a night for me and my travel-mate. If you hook up with someplace/someone like this (Daniel), you'll be able to arrange transport to neighboring spots. Car rental is not really something that people do, in my experience, because there are taxis and locals with cars and everything just ends up working out. Or maybe it's because you don't want to leave as much as you thought you would once you get there. Or maybe it's because there's no rental car place in Huatulco. I'm not sure. Things just have a way of being looser and less regimented once you arrive. It's not really a rental car environment. Whenever I wanted to go to Pochutla, I just found a way. And by the way, don't let the taxis at Huatulco take you anywhere. Walk out of the airport and hail a cab from there. You'll cut your fee in half by trekking an arduous quarter mile.

Well, I read the article by jordan up there, and although getting some ass is not what i am looking for in zipolite, i would like to meet some (or one) cool gay people in zipolite. Im a college student in the US and am taking a hard earned break alone and away from stupid american college drunkards. I have a serious boyfriend, and so am, looking for laid back and cool people to hang out with, ****, even if you're not gay, but its always nice to have gay people around. I will be there probably about march 21-27 or so. Also, lemme know if you have any other cool info on cool people you (maybe this jordan guy) say i should look for or good places to stay where i can meet people.

Strangely enough I have the same story as you.

My name is Kevin. See you in Zipo;ite!

Hi John Good thread. We just returned from 2 weeks in Mexico, including a week at Zipolite. We stayed at Lola's hotel on the east end of the beach. The accomodation were good and the stay very pleasant. We originally stayed in a room at the back of the hotel but moved up the room overlooking the beach for the last four nights of our 8 day stay. The sunset view was spectacular. Prices were good at 150 pesos per night. We probably could have negotiated a long term stay price but, we considered the value good so why beat them up over a few pesos. I have stayed at several places in PA and rank this hotel at par with them.

The restaurant is good there but as expected the menu was limited. Worth noting is the freshed squeezed orange juice in the morning. A large milkshake size glass for 12p. Breakfast was good as well. The atmosphere was very relaxed and we were always able to chat with someone in the bar/restaurant area. Beer cost 12p. They did pretty good margaritas too.

We made a few trips to PA for dinner and Betos Restaurant of course. Beto and his mom are doing well I am happy to report. His huachinango is to die for. There was a shortage of fish early in the week, so prices were up a bit in all places. Getting to PA is easy, just walk from the back of the hotel to the main street and catch a collectivo or camioneta (4pesos).

So, sitting on the beach, making new friends, drinking beer and taking in the scenery and sun, pretty much summed up our week. All good things come to an end and I hated to put on my clothes and leave but,.....

Some other info, we flew into Puerto Escondido from DF instead of to Huatulco. The airfare on Aerocaribe was about $100 cdn cheaper than the Huatulco flight. Cabs are much more reasonable at the airport there as well. We paid 500p from the airport and could have got it for 300p off the airport. When leaving we took the overnight first class bus from Pochutla (10:00 pm) to Oaxaca and found it comfortable to sleep in. We arrived in Oaxaca around 6:30 am. If you have not made the Pochutla to Oaxaca trip, then take the daytime bus as the scenery is good on both the highway 200 and 175 routes. If you have done the trip before this is a great way to travel and not lose a day in travel. adios

Hey there, I was in oaxaca this last quarter for 3 months and Zipoltie is about the greatest beach ever to go to and get away from it all. Lo Cosmico is a great cabana hotel there and its sorta like living in an ewok village. Eclipse restaurant has amazimg foccacia bread and is a great place to spend a few hours in the late evening. Definatly check this place out. If you want to visit Mazunte I'd recommend that you do so as a day trip. The one hotel that is okay to stay in is on the far east side of the beach and is expensive, meal options are also limited. STAY AWAY FROM EINSTIEN'S HOSTEL!!! My girlfreind and i though we'd stay there one night and realized that the sheets had been stapled down to the dank, miget sized bed and had definatly been there for sometime. Making the bed consisted of Einstien brushing the sand and salt off of the sheets. We didnt get toomuch sleep that night. If you do stay in Mazunte however make sure to catch the sunrise over Roca Blanca, its the most amazing thing i've ever seen. Puerto Angel is a good place to cathc a boat tour is you want to take one. Some dude named Chepe has a great boat and will take you out, make sure to negotiate the price however, we paid half of what he asked for originally. Snorkeling equip is provided and there are some nice beaches he will take you too. If you're in the area be sure to see Puerto Escondido, stay at the immaculate Mayflower Hostel, spend the days at Carazalillo Beach and the nights at the local surfer hangout, "Barfly" and get a falafel sandwich from Ruben (tell him reid sent you) on the way to carazalillo (aka "the beach with the stairs") Have a great time, email if you need any more info on anything in the oaxaca area.

"pepsi, cocos, paletas, mota, cocaina...". 1 walk down the beach and you will get hit up a half dozen times.

CUIDADO CON EL RETEN DE POTCHUTLA ?,SON BIEN PERROS LOS VERDES.LA MEJOR MOTA LA VAN A ENCONTRAR EN SAN JOSE DEL PACIFICO, TAMBIEN HONGOS . EN OAXACA LOS HONGOS SE CONSIGUEN EN HUAHUTLA DE JIMENEZ ,EL PUEBLO DE MARIA SABINA :SHAMAN QUE CONOCIO A LOS MAS GRANDES.;JIM MORISSON ,LENNON.....

Alguien ha pasado por el Cafe Cafe a Pochutla en los ultimos tiempos ? Espero que siempre existe ? El dueno cultiva el mejor cafe del mundo, un cafe organico, y lo hace tostar de manera que haria envidiosos los italianos si lo supieron... Me podrian dar informaciones, por favor, si sigue bien el cafe - no le ho visto por mas que un ano. Y si alguien sepa si ya habia abierto una cafeteria a la Ciudad de Oaxaca ?

Les deseo todos el sol mejor del mundo - de Oaxaca, y Mazunte.

La tortuguera del gran Norte

Hello Boys!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My BF and I will spend some time together in Zipolite from April 24 to April 27. We're also going 2 spend our time in Puerto escondido, Mazunte (I recommend 2 U the right side of Mazunte's beach -a nice walk-) and Huatulco for Swimming and snorkeling, Who wanna join us? We're going 2 be in Oaxaca City on April 23 departing from Mexico City on April 22's night.

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Last week 2/23, 2/24 big waves that looked beautiful brought all the raw sewerage on to the beach at Zipolite. To look down the beach and see no one in the water on a beautiful sunny day was a sight I will never forget.

Hi Any idea of the source of the sewage? A big cruise liner going by or something like that?

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I must have contributed five gallons, and then there are all the other happy beach holiday tourists. Puerto Angel must have a pipe that goes out to sea and Pochutla may as well. I have been told that this is a build up from all the tourists over a four month period and that it will clear up in time for the next holiday season.

That sounds crappy. Make it stop.

Howdy!

I'm curious how the new road behind the Roca Blanca section of the beach is impacting the local economy. I was there this summer while they were preparing the slab. At the time I felt like concrete and Zipolite were somewhat discongrious, but I have experienced the Malto Meal like consistencyof the road during the rainy season in years past. Any news will be greatly appreciated. Peace Gunter [%sig%]

Tom, I should have checked back on this post earlier, you are probably in PA fishing right now. My husband took his telescoping pole and lures to PA and fished every morning just off the rocks in the bay. He caught all sorts of interesting fish and released them. The little local boys just love to watch someone fishing with a pole. (Ever fish with a found stick, line and VIenna sausages for bait?) A huge sting ray took that out fast! Just got back from Cozumel and has that island grown since I was there 6 years ago. Didn't recognize a thing in town! The Mardi Gras was going on and 6 to 7 cruise ships were in so the island was plenty crowded. At lease 3 moped accidents per day and the only car we found left to rent, a blue VW/yellow racing stripe, cost $50/day and wasn't worth 50 bucks. Gears were out of aliagnment and wouldn't shift in 1st or 2nd gear. Took the "little death trap" back hours early. Playa Del Carmen is all built up too. Next year I go the opposite direction of the hoards of tourists. Hope PA keeps the big hotels out and Huatulco limits its cruise ships.

For my friend unnamed who had been so long on the beach at Zipolite and had found his peace there in the white house on the beach.

So he has lived among the Bedou in Saharas shifting sands, and danced the happy Goa moon to sleepy slumber. And puzzled the carved images of ancient Indus valley. Slashed shy smile across the lands of earth unnumbered. He took the seas fresh fishes there with his mighty spear. So his restless spirit awoke and bade him wander. Will Zipolite crashing waves sound ever in your ear? What cloister would hold him now, what cave will be his cover? And all the stars and moons and tides follow you forever.

Peace old friend these thirty long years. Old man young man. Hat, no hat.

Thanks for the comments JoAnn I never got to Cozumel and Playa has grown to a point where it holds no interest for me any longer. Akumal is very pleasant for a stay of several days, but Tulum, Punta Allen and Xcalak are still dear to my heart. Your observations about fishing in PA are intriguing enough to motivate me to bring my 4 piece fly rod! The cost of a rental car and the many warnings about driving through Chiapas and Oaxaca are convincing me it may be better to try the bus on this trip. Palenque, Bonampak and Yachilan are still on the itinerary as well as at least one week on the coast. Got to run, I'll write more later. Can anyone can help me with info on the busses? I did find a great website called Ticket Bus I think, has schedules and such for the first calss busses. Thanks Tom

SE VENDE CASA ENTRADA DE ZIPOLITE Terreno mide 25m x 25m, en la calle principal cerca de varias tiendas de abarrotes. Entrada segura con portón de fiero y barda alta de bloc Casa tiene dos cuartos amplios, un baño, una cocina, y palapa con ventilador de techo. Tiene servicio de luz, agua, y teléfono Jardín ya establecido con: 3, granadas, 3 palmas de coco, 2 árboles de mango, un árbol de mandarina, un árbol de limón, un almendro, y muchas flores como jazmín y tulipán, y plantas de ornato. Informes: 958.584.3312 o al correo electronico doltex@graffiti.net HOUSE FOR SALE ENTRANCE TO ZIPOLITE the land measures 25 meters by 25 meters, located on the main road going towards the beach area. The land has a secure gate and a big wall facing the street painted with clay. The house has two big bedrooms, one bathroom, kitchen, and outdoor palapa area between the two house structures with a ceiling fan. The house has electricity, water connection, and telephone service Big garden with lots of fruit trees, palm trees, flowers, and ornamental plants.

I am asking 40,000 US dollars thanks derek

the above house is no longer for sale. thanks for all the interest.

http://www.el-alquimista.com/ There's an email link on the site. The owner is Marcelo. He rules.

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http://www.el-alquimista.com/ It goes without saying that everything about the place rocks.

Derek............. What's this ?. You cannot possibly be leaving us..... what's the story ? all love for Dalia and Samuel Sam

Hey people ill be in Zipolite from march 25-april 1!!! its my first time so if any one got any advice for a first timer id really apricate it. Is this time of year a good time to visit??

¡Magnífica Oportunidad! Por rezones de salud vendo y/o trespaso...Hermosa posada turistica. Excelente ubicación, vista panoramica (incluye Pacifico) con bungalow completo para vivir, 4 lidas habitaciones para renta, palapa-bar (6 x 6 mts.) concocina y linda terraza; pequeña bodega, estacionamiento, todos servicios y con posibilidades de aumenter capacidad; actualmente ampliamente recomndada internacionalmente en las guias turistica más importantes. Informes : tel. 01-958-5843073 Sra. Patricia, Pueto Angel, Oax. (Por favor no intermedios ) Great Opportunity! For health reasons I am selling transfer of property rights to the following: Beautiful tourist guesthouse. Excellent location in Puerto Angel with panoramic view of the town and the ocean. Complete with a master bungalow in addition to four clean and modern rental guest rooms in separate buildings. A large palapa-bar (6 x 6 meters) with a kitchen and clean pantry, parking area, all utility services/phone, and with space for additional construction on site. Currently highly recommended internationally in the most popular tourist guidebooks. For information: Telephone 01-958-5843073 Sra. Patricia Puerto Angel, Oax. (Please no intermediaries).

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please help me find my brother jeff bacon. he and ana run the Posada Dona Sol. lost contact with him. please tell him to call my mom & dad @ 260-627-2539 home or my dad's cell 260-750-6775 or my mom's cell 260-750-8250. my home # is 812-876-6840. tell him to call collect. thanks teri bacon gosney

hi all, thanks first to whomever put this board up. very helpful.

secondly, I am looking for a beach somewhere in the world for Late April, May and June. Someplace not too expensive. I'd appreciate your recommendations.

best case senario: quiet bungalow, near beach, warm, not humid weather. safe enough for me to bring some music gear, women around, healthy food available, $1000 total or less per month. I also enjoy 420 but not absolutely necessary. Zipolite? ??

Bahia? Thailand? Greece?

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Music Gear!?! Are you a player? Come to Puerto Escondido and get funky with our alternative rythmn section!!! Just an hour up the the coast from Zip...you´ll be able to live like a king for all that money!!!

for $1000/mo. you'll be livin' the good life anywhere in mexico. if you're looking to avoid humidity though, i'd head inland. zipo can get pretty sticky when the ocean breeze shuts down. its all good though, just take a dip and cool off. besides, with $1000 a month to spend, you can afford a room with AC.

as far as music gear goes, i'd definitely find a secure room. things do have a tendency to disappear in zipo if not bolted down. oh, and you shouldn't have much trouble satisfying your more clandestine needs. just ask around and be discreet.

ahhhh zipolite . . . have fun.

Hi, I am going to Zipo next week but my flight arrives in Acapulco and I was wondering if there is a night bus from Acapulco to puerto escondidos, if you could tell me the hours of departure and from wich bus terminal its leaving from. Thanks

HOLA AMIGOS SI SE INTERESAN EN ROPA DE MANTA POR FA ESCRIBANME simry80@hotmail.com VENDO POR MAYOREO Y MENUDEO BUENISIMOS PRECIOS COMO PARA REALIZAR UN NEGOCIO MUY BUENO YA QUE POR ALLA HACE UN POCO DE CALOR CUENTO CON FALDAS,SHORTS, PANTALONES, BLUSAS ETC. DE COLOR O NATURAL

ill be in zipolite next week from the 25 -1 apr. its my first time heade down there so i was wondering if any one can give a heads up!! Is there a night life in Zipolite, and if so whats female situation like??? if any one is ognna be down there these dates send me an email, maybe we can hang out!!! anything any one can provide would be helpful [%sig%]

hey zach ill be there get to zipolite on the 25th. im not gay but im also looking for cool people to hang out with. let me know what u think may be we meet up down there! cool_guy4200@hotmail.com _ [%sig%]

Yes, at least I still believe so. It leaves at 11pm and leaves from Ejido bus station....be sure the taxi driver takes you to the right station. Its a pretty good bus ride, ...you can buy your ticket early from the ticket agent in the main mall on the strip...forgot the name...but it will save you the trip to the bus station twice....buy your ticket early because it's often sold out..Hope this helps.. Oh you have to buy it ...Acapulco to Puerto Escondido....then when the bus gets to P.E. you pay for the rest of the trip to Pochutla...sometimes the same bus takes you...or you wait 1 hr and get another bus....it's about a 9 hr trip total. Good luck and have fun.

Hola!

Pienso irme a Zipolite por el verano pero no tengo ni idea donde vivir.. Puede alguien darme un consejo? Que no sea demasiado caro, me importa más que haya un ambiente familiar y abierto.Y cerca de los bares jeje.. Puede que sea vacío en Zipo por el verano (junio hasta agosto) ya que es la temporada de lluvias?!

Gracias, Louise

SI FUE UN HECHO REAL Y HASTA EL MOMENTO NO HA HABIDO NOTICIA DE EL Y CONTINUAMOS CON FE.

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Im writing to hopefully find out how much cars are to buy .my husband an I are from Australia and are in Mexico for Three months traveling up and down the west coast. Any info would be much appreciated.

I am going to zipolite next 3 to 10 of april. Is there anyone going for that season? I want to meet cool gay gays to hang out there or more. my pics: http://face-pic.com/anakin00 I hope to hear from you soon Mario

yo estare en 15 dias en zipolite y espero encontrar gente agradable con quien convivir , estare ahi durante 8 noches en el hotel Lyoban, ya he estado ahi en dos ocasiones y la verdad he conocido gente maravillosa, espero esta ocasion no sea la excepción, un abrazo a todos j'aime bien cette plage. mille baisers!!!

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Hola Zach!!!

Maybe we can meet up on the beach, i plan on visiting Zipolite between March 23-25. Let me know if you are down to get nasty on the beach and ****. That is the f word you ar ensinuating right?

Cool banannas...

Jim

I'll be my 41 birthday and want to spend my middle age crisis on a rustical spot like zipolite, hope to find hot fellows to hang out with when there... any sugestions or recomendatios?...i'll apreciete them.

Greetings

Hi! I have browsed through everything related to Zipolite, and I still haven't made up my mind on what should be the best hotel or lodging in Zipolite. Can anyone help me make a final decision? Thanks!

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What do you mean by best: modern, clean, good location, great view? El Paraíso gets my vote. About $35 US per night ($45 during peak). View of the whole beach, Roca Blanca location, sweet rooms. Other's may disagree. buena suerte

He's right. What do you want?

The best to me is the newly constructed El Alquimista. It is located in the most beautiful part of the beach and has the best restaurant. You can't lose staying there.

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hello sorry my english is very bad if you understand the french, i will you done information for the hotels j'ai été l'année derniere et vraiment cette une plage marveilleusse je prefere ces hotels: j t envoyerai un "web" oú tu trouverai des diferents options www.costachica.net/zipolite/ alors j'attend ton reponse et bon voyage!!!! mes preferes: Lyoban et shambala"

HEY FELLOWS...I WAS HEADED FOR PUERTO ESCONDIDO, BUT AFTER READING THIS, I HAVE CHANGED MY PLANS AND GOING TO ZIPOLITE. WILL BE THERE FROM MARCHE 25 TO 29. LOOKING TO HANG OUT WITH COOL/RELAX GUYS.

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HOLA. HEY GUYS, I WILL BE ZIPOLITE AS OF TOMORROW, MARCH 24TH, IM GOING ALONE...ALSO HAVE BF AT HOME...JUST WANT TO GET AWAY FOR A FEW DAYS AND RELAX...MAYBE WE COULD MEET AND HANG OUT...NOT LOOKING FOR SEX, BUT HEY...IF I COME ACROSS IT...WHY NOO?...WHAT HAPPENS IN ZIP, WILL STAY IN ZIP.

IM A MEXICAN GUY FROM DF, RAISED IN THE US, CLEAN CUT, COLLEGE DEGREE, 28 YRS OLD, RELAX, ENJOY LIFE...

IF INTERESTED DROP A LINE!...

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Hey Everyone, I was thinking about going to Zipolite this summer durning my break and I was wondering if any of you could offer any info as to whether or not there are any possibilities to suppliment my stay there. I know some people in some places get jobs tending bar, working in hostels, teaching english, etc, in exchange for room and board. Is anything like this likely in Zipoite? I also speak fluent Spanish so the langauge thing isn't an issue. Thanks for letting me know!

Cheers

I highly doubt it...things are pretty dead there during that time, (and hot and humid)and usually the locals have a hard enough time trying to survive...but you never know until you get there...wouldn't count on it though!

Sometimes at Shambhala we hire for room or board, sometimes both, depending on your skills. Go to our place at the far end of the beach and ask for Adrean in the office. Tell him Dan sent you and please give him a message for me if you can. To save the book: Daughters of Fortune by Isabel Allende. I left it in the office and forgot to take it with me. Have him give it to Gloria for me. Thanks a lot, Daniel.

It really depends on what you want. My choice is Lola's, near the east end of the beach. $30-$40 during peak. 15-20 off peak. It's clean, quiet, private baths, ceiling fans, etc. and safe. The food's great, the drinks are strong, and The Playa Del Amor is a 2-3 minute walk. If you want lots of people and excitement, head to the other end of the beach. If you're looking for quality, quiet, and safety, stay at Lola's.

Hi everyone: I am visiting ziplite next 3 to 10 of april. I hope to meet cool guys to hang out there, I visit zipolite every year and I love it. If you are interested write me down. My pics: http://face-pic.com/anakin00 Mario [%sig%]

hey, is there any girl interested in meeting a real sexy man? well you 've gotta see me.

SE TRATA DE UN HECHO REAL Y AUN SEGUIMOS EN LA BUSQUEDA.

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It's seems to me Sorry seems to be the hardest word.

What can I do to make you love me?

How was your trip?

I need some information from anyone who might be in the Zipo/Puerto Angel area right now who would care to get back to me. If you're bored and need something to do it would be very helpful. Please email me at dontfallonme@hotmail.com. Xoyo

jeff bacon has been in contact with his family and he is fine. thanks for everyone's help! jeff' sister, teri

Hi im going to be in Zipo from 7 to 11 april and want to know what the locals think about the rave or festival that is gonna take place in zipo.

Also how does the easter week diferences from any other day in Zipo more mexicans? less european cute chicks? too crowded?

i still think its gonna be awesome thanks for any comment c ya there F

Hi, don't know about the festival, ....I found Semana Santa was lots of cars, lots of people...car alarms, and garbage left behind after the 2 or 3 days they are there.

what a bunch of dicks-for-brains... haha i pitty you. go jerk-off in Benidorm, suckers.

how much is it to get a colombian flew these days in Zipolite?

Hola,Quiero ir a Oaxaca y Zipolite para finales de Agosto,vivo en España.Si coincide cuando voy a ir nos veremos por alli,de momento aki stoy,ciao.

Hola,yo soy d Spain,pero quiero ir a Zipolite a finales de Agosto,si en Agosto estas por alli,escribeme,besos.

HOLA PERMITANME DECIRLES QUE YO ESTUVE VIVIENDO POR AYA POR TRES ANOS ESTUVE ESTUDIANDO EN EL COLEGIO ESC SEC TEC PESQUERA 52 Y DEJENME DECIRLES QUE ESE LUGAR ES UNICO YO RADICO EN SAN DIEGO CALIFORNIA AHORA Y NO HE ENCONTRADO NINGUN LUGAR COMO ESE ES UNICO!!!! YO ESPERO PRONTO VOLVER HACE 10 ANOS QUE NO VUELVO PERO NO VEO LA HORA DE REGRESAR.BUENO BYE AMIGOS Y BUENA SUERTE :).

VISITING NICARAGUA? Stay at our family owned and run Guest House in an elegant suburb of Managua, amid a picturesque tree-lined setting just 10 minutes away from the international airport and bus terminals! Managua, our capital city, has a vibrant nightlife! Rooms from US$15 a day. . We also offer roundtrip transfers to the Managua International Airport and to the international bus terminals NO FEE ADDITIONAL COST !!!.You will not pay for the transfer ! We also offer: Breakfast US$1.00 Lunch US$1.50 Dinner US$1.00 Location: Bello Horizonte VI, Etapa 217 Rotonda de la Virgen, 2 Cuadras al Sur 2-1/2 Abajo Managua Tel. 505-249-8963 e-mail: oscar3701@tmx.com.ni or oscar@ibw.com.ni

hmmmm, is that some sort of exotic bird?

100 peso's if you are smart....and buy from Ray, w/ lifeguards.....don't buy from his want-a-be life guards....buy from ray! Support your Lifeguards...ok!

Thx!

ivan

A year ago January, and beautiful couple from Italy were on their honeymoon.

The weather was rough at the beach of the dead.

The Tide was rough at the beach of the dead.

The itilian hormones were flowing with this couple.

The macho was told no swimming.

Macho Macho man.

Groom dead in water bouncing off rocks below Shambhala.

No Mas honeymoon.

Lifeguards had a day off that day...no swimming....weather bad.

Lifeguards had to work.

Local Gov officials had to work.

Not good.

Very sad.

Listen to the lifeguards, please.

Listen to the locals, please.

Welcome to the beach of the dead.

All are welcome to Zipolite.

Support your lifeguards....with more than peso's...please....listen.....ok?

Thank you!

ivan

I really do not know the worth of the garbage left behind....depends if it needs to be refridgerated (sp?). :) but...I was there the last time in Huatulco.

Damn.....those black suited FEDS are fast!

Right Ray?

:) I luv you Chilo!

ivan from iowa

Any salvia??

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hey folks...chillin' in guatemala. if there is anyone left in zipo who might be heading for livelula in the next little while i would appreciate a small favor. kelly gave me their e-mail addy but it doesn't seem to work. it's important that i stay in touch with them and would be forever grateful if someone could pass my addy on to them. thanks in advance, folks. enjoy the beach....rain's coming tigre [%sig%]

Hello all! I am a fringa living in Mexico and was told there is a hippy colony off the coast of Zipolite with nudist beaches and just a really laid back lifestyle. Is that Zipolite?

Hello all! I am a gringa living in Mexico and was told there is a hippy colony off the coast of Zipolite with nudist beaches and just a really laid back lifestyle. Is that Zipolite?

Speaking of drugs, I saw "Lifeguard" John, sans Marina, walking down a street in Austin yesterday carrying a bicycle tire. I honked and waved and he shot me a who-the-hell-are-you look. All this time I thought we were buds.

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Yes Just hold up a $1 bill and point to what you want to buy

Yes Just hold up a $1 bill and point to what you want to buypol wrote:

hola, tengo 28 años, voy a oaxaca por cuestion de estudios del 28 abril al 1ro. mayo , espero ir a zipolite quiero conocer la playa nudista y espero encontrar alguien que valga la pena (para aventura) , Oscar Fonseca wrote: > VISITING NICARAGUA? Stay at our family owned and run Guest > House in an elegant suburb of Managua, amid a picturesque > tree-lined setting just 10 minutes away from the international > airport and bus terminals! Managua, our capital city, has a > vibrant nightlife! Rooms from US$15 a day. . We also offer > roundtrip transfers to the Managua International Airport and to > the international bus terminals NO FEE ADDITIONAL COST !!!.You > will not pay for the transfer ! We also offer: Breakfast > US$1.00 Lunch US$1.50 Dinner US$1.00 Location: Bello Horizonte > VI, Etapa 217 Rotonda de la Virgen, 2 Cuadras al Sur 2-1/2 > Abajo Managua Tel. 505-249-8963 e-mail: oscar3701@tmx.com.ni > or oscar@ibw.com.ni [%sig%]

Sounds wonderful!

Are beaches close by?

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Alcamista palapas on the beach are gorgeous. Pardon the spelling. Down by the Playa amore is Yoga Solstice yoga retreat run by wonderful Bridgette...Next to the clinic is a school teacher Danny. Safe, clean, wonderful fellow. In front of his apt. 2 Americans built 2 two storys homes one may be for rent from time to time...Thats it folks...B

ok, Ivan,thanx. will you be in Zipolite in June?

Creo que la gente buena dura muy poco en esta tierra, yo a pesar de ser más grande que él estuvimos algo así como 6 meses trabajando en TV UNAM y la verdad es que aprendí mucho de el, además siento que fue un angel en mi camino y siempre lo tendré en mi corazón y en mi mente, siempre haré un homenaje y oración en cada uno de mis trabajos.

En fin, algo tarde pero me uno a los que recordaremos a este chavo de muy buen agrado, siempre luchando por ser mejor y buscando ideas para salir adelante.

Por Daisuke Donde quiera que este.

Aún recuerdo su sonrisa y su semblante paciente y en espera de crear algo mejor.

hey, What's this I hear about you getting MARRIED? Everyone was talking about it when I got back to Zipo. So how did you propose? Did you actually get down on one knee? Well if it true then congratulations.

I've been in my new house, well Jody's old house, for about a month and absolutely love it. I never leave except to go for my walks. I haven't even been to Livelula since I've been back. They did close for 2 weeks for renovations but I probably wouldn't have gone if they were open anyways. You missed my housewarming party. I heard it was good. I don't remember because I was absolutely smashed. And we still have 6 bottles of alcohol left over. I think I'm going to have to have a going away party to get rid of it all. Or else just become an alcholic recluse. Anyways, I'll pass on your email address to Kelly & Sal. They had mentioned that they hadn't heard from you.

Take care of yourself Alicia

Yeah...I just got back about 3 weeks ago, and the drugdealers were getting out of control....I can think of 2 in particular. The only way to get these guys out is to stop buying from them. There stuff is **** anyhow. The violence was escalating during my 2 month trip. My friends life was threatened for no damn reason, other than the fact that he doesnt do drugs. I'm not judging,but there are plenty of safe places to buy drugs there, and the guys who harrass you on the main street...especially in front of La Puesta are not one of them.

Hi "the other dave" Your post, is this coca john you might be talking about? I heard "baby cakes" had split. what part of austin was he hangin in? Dave~the~wave~

"Coca" John and "lifeguard" John are indeed one and the same. He seems to hang out around 6th and Lamar most of the time, but recent construction may be hurting his "business". I saw him with the bicycle tire in front of the library on Guadalupe. He looks a lot healthier now than he did in Zipolite.

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que onda ana pues mira este lunes m voy a ir a zipol con un primo noo se si andes por alla pero si es asi pues mandame un msj a mi cel que es 7221313506 ok bueno pues espero tu llamada aver si nos vemos por alla ciao

hi there, are there any underwatercaves in the Zipolite-arrea? and what about the possibilities on snorkling?

Hey Rob, My trip to Thailand is less than a week away and now I'm reading about gunfights in the southern part of Thailand. Reminds me of the big hulabaloo in Bolivia right before I went there in November: That was good though; it cleared out the lightweights.

Still, I miss Libelula. Say hi to tjose guys next time you see them. Who knows...maybe I'll be there for the winter.Take care...

Ken

I am planning on going to Zipo and PA in June. Is this a bad time of year to go? Will the beach be totally empty or will people be there? I like the quiet but I also enjoy meeting people. I'm concerned about it being completely dead there at that time of year. Has anybody been there during this time? What's it like in late June? Thanks

I've been there in Late June -- not crowded like December, but always some people around. Stay in the Roca Blanca area (the far end of the beach from Puerto Angel) -- lots of options from hotel rooms to hammocks to camping. There are always people at El Alquimista at night (the best food -- see tiki torches in the sand at end of beach, through the rocks like you're going to Gloria's "Shambala." This isn't "party" season at Zipoliti -- but there will be some Europeans from the backpacker crowd, maybe a few Gringos, some Mexicans... just a more mellow time. Be sure to explore around the area. There's a very cool snorkling beach just up the road toward Pochutla, a couple of hundred yards from the town pier in Puerto Angel -- it's down a dirt road (path) and called Ecstacahuite -- ask for it pronounced:"Eek-stock-uh-wheat-eh" and the locals will understand you. Go left at the end of the path and there's a thatch roof hut that sereves cold beers... they rent bad masks too, but they'll do. Don't let the gentle swells disturb you -- swim and snorkle out and to left -- coral reefs and schools of technicolor fish. Good!

If you need a little more "action" -- take a bus up to Puerto Escondido for a few nights. It's less than an hour away. Stay on Zicatela beach -- maybe at Hotel Ines (pronounced Inez) or around there-- lots more people, no high rises, more nightlife of a surfer nature. Enjoy your trip. I'm jealous.

I've been going to the greater Zipolite /Puerto Escondido microplex in the latter half of June for several years. There are less folks on the beach at that time but plenty enough to have a great time. I much prefer this time of year to the hussle and bustle of the snowbird season. It does rain, but I'm from Austin, where rain is viewed as a blessing.

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Necesito un pequeño departamento amueblado para una persona o una habitación con baño privado. De precio entre $2,800.00 y $3,000.00 pesos mensuales. Voy de voluntaria a Pña Palmera y necesito un lugar para quedarme de 6 meses a 1 año Por favor informenme Gracias [%sig%]

Hey Nancy....did you ever find out if you know Hat?

Chato, el tipo mas amable...renta su casa en el cerro detras del Lyoban.......no se cuanto cuesta hoy dia o si esta disponible, pero yo vivi alli un ano antes del hurracan y te puedo decir que es una casa preciosa con una vista unica y muy buenas vibras Pregunta por Chato en el Lyoban. Se que post-Paulina ( hurracan) el arreglo bien la casa de nuevo, vale la pena preguntar suerte Sam ..........saludame al Chato...........

That link doesn't work -- anyone got a better address? Going this week and would love to get a preview

Your right, it's not working, but perhaps try this link and look under accomadations http://www.costachica.net

alot of austinites on this board for some reason anyway, I don't need too much action but it is nice when there are atleast of few folks around to visit with.

Thanks to both of you for the info.

Hello Helen, No, I do not know hat, but he knows Carole and he and his wife have donated to the library. I'll talk to you later in a private email. Nancy

It is with great sadness that I post this notice. Marco, Italian friend of all whom he encountered from Puerto Escondido to Zipolite passed away suddenly in the Pochutla hospital this week. After feeling ill and checking in at a clinic in PE he was advised to go to the hospital in Pochutla. His condition (a mystery) worsened and he died. He will be greatly missed by all of his friends and acquantances. Free spirited with a blatant lack of racism or predjudice is the way I´ll remember this kind and thoughtful soul. May your spirit fly free!!!

Hey...that's me!

hola en que fecha piensas ir, yo tambien voy a ir en verano, espero ke podamos conicidir... saludos

Hello from Vienna, I am planning to travel to Puerto Escondido / Zipolite area in the first week of June 2004. I love the sea and love to swim in it but am a bit scared of what I have heard concerning the dangerous currents in this area. Are the currents seasonal or do they exist all year round ? Which are safest beaches to swim in this area.

Saludos, Markus

Sorry to hear it. RIP

Some days the ocean is too dangerous to even wade into, other days it is very calm, predictable and as safe as the Pacific ocean can be. It is rather hard to predict though, just go for it. If Zipo is too rough go to Puerto Angel or better yet San Agustinillo. Buena suerte

support your lifeguards by buying drugs and naming names? smart....I'm sure they appreciate that....

si tienes msn nos podemos poner de acuerdo para ir a zipolite........saludos

Heading down to Zipolite via Hualtulco...do I need to rent a car? Should I stay at Shambahla? I'm single- will I get laid?

Thank you so much for replying to the message. I did just come home from Zipo and did find Brisa Marina. It is still as wonderful there as ever!

I appreciate your help.

Marcia.

Stef, Your best bet for location, safety, cost/value, and great people is Brisa Marina.

This is owned by an American man and is the best place for all of the above. Just came home from two weeks there and the accomodations were terrific.

Contact Daniel Wiener E-mail Address(es): brisamarina@Prodigy.net.mx Guaranteed you will love it there! We did.

Have a great trip.

Marcia

drugs??? you must be kiddin...

The best value is Podada Brisa Marina with clean, well ventilated rooms, a great staff and balconies where you can meet your neighbors. A very friendly place with terrific beds, great showers and even a lending library...be sure to return the books though. I have been to Zipo 6 times and found this to be the best for location to best restaurants, little shops, etc.

I have just come back from my vacation there and was pleased to find the hotel filled with travelers from all over the world....while other hotels were nearly empty, Brisa Marina was busy and most important, very safe!

This is listed in the lodgings section for more information.

Brilliant thread.

hola ana, mira vamos a ir a zipolite en vacaciones no se que dia vayas pero seria chido encontrarnos alla. tengo fotos de ahi si quieres podemos intercambar bye cuidate

Amigo, Hola !!! we have a friend Marco in San Agustinillo - and we would like to know if you are talking about the same person. We are worried !!! The Marco we know is a wonderful person also and his girlfriend name is Monica. We are very sorry, and we hope our Marco is ok. Please if you could lets us know if it is the same person. Thank you, PEACE, Orlando, Fabiola

HI FABIOLA......NO, THE MARCO WHO DIED IS NOT THE MARCO WHO IS MARRIED TO MONICA. CAROLINA

hey hey hey, yeah im so thrilled cuz im arriving in zipo next week. can anyone tell me what the weather is like at the moment, are there a lot of people?

At the moment it looks partly cloudy, but there seems to be a big storm out to sea. In other words, typical June day. go to www.theweatherchannel.com and click on the mexico satellite. Peace [%sig%]

What's he charging for a room with a balcony these days?

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It appears the email address for the Alta Mira Bungalows in Mazunte is broken (mail@labuenavista.com). Does anyone know if the contact info has changed and what it is? Thanks. -karen [%sig%]

estare en oaxaca del 17nal 25 de junio 2004 alguien que le interese 39 anos delgado 1.73 moreno claro escribe jdomenic05 hotmail.com

México D.F. a de Junio del 2004.

Ante todo gracias por leer mi anuncio, y les pido atentamente si me pudieran mandar información del ambiente gay en Zipolite, ¿ Cual sería el mejor lugar para hospedarme ? ¿ Cuales son los lugares de ligue y a que hora ?. ¿ En que lugares se come rico, bueno y barato ? ¿ En promedio cuanto gastaria en hospedaje y alimentos por 5 dias ?

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Agree with Stacey- don't go round shouting names out or you may find noone wants to hang out with you anymore, or do you favors. Rather silly behaviour...

I have been trying to reach Brisa Marina and the phone number I have does not seem to be correct. The card is sseveral years old so I thought it may have changed, to you have a new number? I am trying to make reservations for Dec. and that is the only way.

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Gday, there seems to be heaps of info on Playa Zipolite, so I want to post some stuff up about Playa Carazalillo. Not a bad little cove, away from the hustle and bustle from the main town.

I liked surfing this place as it wasn't nearly as heavy as Zicatella and not as crowded on the beaches. The place only really picks up when the tide is lower, otherwise it's just a huge swimming pool. Still cool for a swim.

there are nearby villas surrounding the cove on the hilltops. These look really nice, but didn't get a chance to stay here. There is also a nearby Hostel, but my spies tell me that it's a little dodgey. Another alternative is to stay in the township near Zicatella. We stayed at Hotel Mayflower. The accomodation ranges from dorm style beds to twin/double rooms. It has cooking facilities and a short troll to shops. The only downside is that Playa Carazalillo is a bit of a hike, which makes carrying your longboard pain. I caught a taxi with my longboard each day, relatively cheap too.

Ok, heaps of the locals come here to surf. So, if losing yourself in your environment is your thing, then you're in for a great time with the locals. Helps if you speak the lingo as well, me intiendes?! You won't ride a totally wicked break, but it's fun and chilled and nobody trying to rip your head off if you drop in.

So there you have it. My version of Carazalillo Enjoy.

Safe travels Peace!

Fred

Hi, Stacey or David or Anyone down there that knows Lalo, could you please tell him to check the post office as there is a card on the way. Thanks.

I'll be there on June 19. I'll look for him.

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That's excellent! Thanks! His birthday is the 27th!!

Playa Carazalillo...where is it!

He's on the wrong page. It's in Puerto Escondido. Although I do agree with everything he wrote.

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Beautiful home for rent in Puerto Angel, Oaxaca, Mexico. Casa Azul is located beside the colourful and picturesque cemetary in the Playa del Panteon (Cemetary beach) part of Puerto Angel. With unbeatable views of the Pacific Ocean, Casa Azul offers peace and tranquility and a two minute walk to the beach. Ideal for a family on holiday, the house comes with a fully equipped kitchen, laundry service, tv and many other amenities. For more information contact Jane at janemexico1@yahoo.ca [%sig%]

I am planning a vacation and just wondering what is the best time to visit the area. It will be me and my best friend from college. We are looking for a great place to relax during the days and meet new people and party in the evenings. I normal mid 20 year old man's dream vacation. Thanks for any information you can give us. David Gunter wrote: > He's on the wrong page. It's in Puerto Escondido. Although I do > agree with everything he wrote. > > [%sig%] [%sig%]

Me and my old college roommate are planning to go to Zipolite for vacation. We were wondering what is the best time of year to travel to Zipolite for rest during the day and parties at night. An ideal time to 25 year old men to meet new people and have a great vacation.David Gunter wrote:

HOLA: YO ESTUVE VIVIENDO POR ALLA CASI 2 AÑOS, LLEGUE Y ME ENAMORE DE ZIPOL.........AHORA ESTOY ACTUALMENTE EN PACHUCA PERO CADA VACACIONES REGRESO.....A ESCEPCION DE LAS PASADAS DE SEMANA SANTA.....PERO LAS SIGUIENTES POR ALLA ESTAREMOS......LOS VEO PRONTO A TODOS LOS ENAMORADOS DE LA LIBERTAD

Me and my girlfriend Alex are heading to Zipolite in a couple a weeks. She has done a little traveling but all mine has all included a short haircut and a machinegun. I am very excited. What can we expect this time of year. Do I need resevations for the places on the beach. I want to spend around $15 usd. Is anyone around this time of year? Is it going to rain most of the time? We have have purchased our bus tickets from TAPO to Oaxaca to Pochulta. Will we have problems getting our return tickets at that time. I will be very happy for any knowledge you folks can share. I promise to detail all our adventures and share them when we get back.

I hope that this note does not offend anyone. If it does and the message gets removed, well, I understand but it is not meant to be malicious. So that been said, I am looking for people in Mexico that want to work in the communications field. I am in Puerto Vallarta and if you wish to find out more information please : E-mail at : CallFromMexico2004@hotmail.com or Toll Free : 001 - 800 - 268 - 3441 Thanx! Mike

hola quiero reservar una cabaña en zipolite 2 personas del 03 ene 05 al 11 ene 05 espero me contesten pronto gracias

hola quiero reservar una cabaña en zipolite 2 personas del 03 ene 05 al 11 ene 05 espero me contesten pronto graciasKana wrote: > Hi Brad, thank for the recommendation. I look forward to seeing > you there. Daniel

I tried to call you in Calif. but got hard to understand message. I left a message but have got no response. We wil be in Zipolite on july 2nd and would like to stay at your resort. Please call me at 206-409-8875

Hola chavales - Vuelvo a Zip despues de 10 años..... Me muero de ganas.... soy Español (35a). polla 20cm. y tengo mucho hambre por lo que espero comeros bien durante el dia y la noche. A partir del 16 de julio de 2004. Nans, Hi guys - I am returning to Zip after 10 years. I'am dying for it. Spaniard 35y -20cm. Starving for your. I'll eat you during day and nite. From Jul 1, 2004

Hola - Tengo 35a y estaré en Zipolite a partir del 1 de julio.... Me encantará conocerte.

Nans

David, any sign of him?

I am selling my beach-front house and its 7000 m2 land in Zipolite/Mazunte area . Can you help? Are you interested in knowing more details?

hey there, i found this site from doing a search regarding the beach locations that were filmed in y tu mama tambien. now, i cannot find that post. any leads? i have a feeling that i don't need to find the exact beaches, cuz they're all marvelous, but i am curious. also, i'm gonna bring my portable music player down there. what's the electricity situation? i hear that it goes out often, but as long as i can get a little bit, i'm cool. are the palapas/cabanas on the beach in zipo/mazunte generally with electricity or without? also, can i just use my american plugs or do i need an adaptor? thanks so much! kimberley

Hello Gloria, Thank you for visiting our web site. Yes, Managua has close beaches, by example Pochomil 65 South of Managua. Oscar Fonseca Nicaragua guest house www.3dp.ch/nicaragua

I'am Zipo but i am a guy...and i like girls ....and if you want to meet some realy nice girls then go to town and hunt some chicks ....see ya and hang on all kurte wrote:

The best pick up line i ever seen in mexico is "si o no chica" sometimes you get a devilish grin and they say "si" or somtimes you get a disgusted "no" things are so simple in mexico lovo

Aloha Aracne, I am going to spend some time in Zipolite, and I would love to play capoeira overthere. It seems that you can help me ....? My name is Claire. Axe

Hi - I am planning an extended stay in that area. Do you have pictures and cost? Thanks Dale

As an "EXPERIMENTAL ZONE" Zipo has grown in it's love for nudity. We all go there to express ourselves. I as one feel the force that lives there is in me.. What is free is the wind and it touches all parts of my being? The sun warms the soul and makes one whole. Question? What have you come to love in this jaded paradise of Zipolite?

me interes conocer ubicación, que tiene construido, con que servicios cuenta, regimen de propiedad y precio por mt2. si tienes fotos del terreno sería magnifico. espero tu respuesta.

I love the fact that it remains constant...............every year they steal my hammock, then they offer to sell it back to me.......every year..they way they need to borrow money to feed their children, just till tommorrow...tomorrow never comes....and they're telepathic........they know just when I have no luce........for only 100 pesos they know how to fix it..........funny I've never told anyone it wasn't working..........

Hola, sorry for the delay. Hope you still make it down to Shambhala in July. We do not take reservations, it's on a first come first serve basis. But if rooms or cabins are not available, we have a waiting list to sign up on at the office. You should not have a problem getting a space at Shambhala in July. Bunas suerte Y disfrute tus aventura amigos! Daniel de Shambhala P.S. Did you check out our website at http://www.cepulihtoa.com for more information about our facilities and photos of our place too.

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WOW! I've been there done that,wore-out the "T"shirt. I did exactly that! WOW what a rush! ditto all the way! I lived it, I eat it, and it breathed me in! Ziponotics ,Zipopathics,Zipomundo!!!

Did you mean Daniel Weiner, the owner of Brisa Marina?

Damon

If I were in Hell, I would think of nekked body surfing at Zipolite, and then I would be in Heaven

In two days I will be naked

PLANEO VISITAR ZIPOLITE EN PROXIMOS MESES, SI ALGUIEN DE ALLA ME PUEDE DAR INFORMACION DE LUGAR SEGURO, Y DE DONDE PASARLA BIEN, POR FAVOR MANDENME UN CORREO. SOY GAY, PERO IGUAL ME RELACIONO BIEN CON HETEROS, SOY BUENA ONDA, MENTE ABIERTA Y RESPETUOSO ANTE TODO. 34 A;OS, BLANCO, OJOS COLOR MIEL, SUAPETON, SEGUN MIS AMIGOS, ESCRIBANME POR FAVOR , PONGAN COMO CLAVE EN EL CORREO LA CLAVE ZIPOLITE, POR AQUELLO DE LOOS VIRUS. GRACIAS UN ABRAZO.

I am interested in information about the house for rent. Could you please send info and availablity for a week in july 11-18 or somewhere around there. If it is not available at that time I would like the info anyway since I often travel to this area for vacation.

Deborah colvin

hola! q tal quiero cantar con todo el mondo con un solo voso! me segerias?

hola! q tal quiero cantar con todo el mondo con un solo voso! me segerias?ALBERTO wrote: > HOLA: YO ESTUVE VIVIENDO POR ALLA CASI 2 AÑOS, LLEGUE Y ME > ENAMORE DE ZIPOL.........AHORA ESTOY ACTUALMENTE EN PACHUCA > PERO CADA VACACIONES REGRESO.....A ESCEPCION DE LAS PASADAS DE > SEMANA SANTA.....PERO LAS SIGUIENTES POR ALLA > ESTAREMOS......LOS VEO PRONTO A TODOS LOS ENAMORADOS DE LA > LIBERTAD SOY DE FRANCIA Y QIERO VENIR A TE

jaja hola, pues pienso ir a zicatela al rededor del 18 al 28 de julio, y pues voy solo, y me agradaria llegar y tener gente con quien agarrar la fiesta jaja, bueno me despido, adios!

Mi mail es iguanasesina@yahoo.com para que me escriban y sabe rcuando vana ir .....

If the house for sale does not interest you, we also have a place for sale in Mazunte. Ideal for either full time living or for annual vacations. It's a 30ft trailer on a lot that is leased . We have put a lot of improvements on this lot....septic system, city water supply, 20 X 20 ft brick, covered patio, storage shed, outside kitchen, plumbed outside shower and toilet for getting off the sand after a day on the beach.....which is 100 ft. away! (the beach!) . If you buy the trailer and decide to leave it there to take advantage of all the extras this lot provides, there is also a 15 ft Airstream trailer that we would include! Great for a guest room! Main trailer is 30ft. Walk around bed at rear, then bath with tub/shower/toilet/sink. Lots of cupboards and storage. Kitchen in middle with full size fridge with upper freezer, stove with oven. Front room at the front, pull out couch for extra bed. We have lived full time there for about 5 years . Super place! Time for us to move on! Interested? I can be reached at mcnamara_helen@hotmail.com

Ahhhhhh! Zipolite!

I've been there twice and enjoyed it very much. There really is no organized gay scene, although many gay people go there. They go there to get naked in the fantastic Mexican sun. Of course, there are usually opportunities for gay sex.

As in most of Mexico, the majority of sexual encounters you have will be with married men who are either bi or a really horny hetero. This is especially true in Zipolite because there are so few people period, and this means that there are even fewer gays. If you want a bigger crowd, you must go around the New Year. This is when many students come and of course many of the students are male and extremely interested in sex of any kind irrespective of their sexual orientation. Just how many drinks does a straight Mexican man need to consider sex with another man. Usually two. :) Of course, he will not bottom until he has had 3 or 4!

Remember, that even though some of the surfer boys are into gay sex, it is unwise to approach them. They have a reputation to uphold and do not appreciate any advances that put their sexually into question. If one of them wants you they will approach you. Just hang out at the north end and if you are young and hung you have a good chance.

If you are gay and have any problems, Daniel Weiner, the owner of Brisa Marina, speaks fluent English, is gay friendly, and usually very helpful. Happy adventures.

Otto

Hi Kimberly, The beach you´re looking for is in Bahias de Huatulco. It´s the beach of Cacaluta, in the National Park. If you look in our website under "Diving" you´ll see a map with dive sites and the different bays.

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Voy a zipolite con unos amigos este DOMINGO 11 DE JULIO Hasta AGOSTO... y es mi primera vez qe iria y me gustaria saber un poco mas del lugar y recorrido que tomar o qe lugares visitar... ponganse en contacto conmigo a jfleh@hotmail.com

recognize this? http://www.tomzap.com/cacaluta.html Theres plenty of electricity in Zipo -- mental, spiritual, chemical and the kind that comes out of the wall. Most places have it. No adaptor necessary.

mas preguntas - ask me - hugal from austria

Hola jane estare en noviembre 29 al 8 o 9 de dic por alla me podrias mandar fotos he informacion por precio por dia o semana. yo he estado por esos rumbos antes corriendo del clima de minnesota

heh, Hugal, Yes, one question.......................when are you back in Zipolite ? Hope you are well and all is ok lots of love Sam

Hola Chica guapa, Que tal estos dias? Did you receive my message about Lalo? I sent you a JPEG that Shawn Progue took last year of a guy named Lalo at Shambhala. I wanted to know if that is the Lalo you so dearly appreciate? I will be in Zipolite again this year from November 25th to December 15th and wanted to know if you still want me to find him and give him money for stamps? Hope you and Angel are doing O.K. Take care, Daniel

voy a huatulco el día 22 y regreso el 24 por la noche si alguien sabe de un buen hotel para hospedarme que sea seguro donde pueda conocer gente de ambiente por favor haganmelo saber para ir a ese hotel. tengo 26 años soy delgado y me gustaria conocer gente par pasarlo bien. mi tel. celular es 0449616540569. y soy de tuxtla gutierrez, chiapas.

Hi: We are a group of four who will be in Zipo for a wedding in late October. What is the rate for one week, October 23 to October 30.

Thanks, Larry Hoffman

yeh! that Dan he is a real wiener <HOT> <DOG> that is!

How do I find magic mushrooms and peyote in Zipo or Pto. Escondido?

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Hola a todos ustedes, Passe en este lugar las 2 semanas las mas bonitas de mi vida. San Augustinio es el lugar el mas ermoso de Mexico,la gente, su playa todo es Majico.

you get in your car and drive to Real de Catorce.

karen - I just called buena vista yesterday and spoke to Adrian. The number is 958 584 3104. Also try the email reservations@labuenavista.com

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Hi i´m going to Huatulco and Zipolite the last week of July and the first week of August, i was wondering if somebody could tell me how´s the scene during this period...i mean are there a lot fo tourist???? ´cause i like to meet people and of course going out. around this time So if you could give me some advice it would be great....thanks!!!!!!!!!!!

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HOLA!!!! Zipolite la verdad es un lugar maravilloso, a todo aquel que visite este magnifico lugar, aparte del ambiente que cada quien se quiera armar, les recomiendo ampliamente que se hospeden o al menos coman una deliciosa crepa en Lo Cosmico, en el extremo de la playa, casi llegando a Shambhala, con un ambiente muy agradable, las mejores crepas de todo el mundo y un lugar paradisiaco... De verdad, el trato es genial y el lugar es inolvidable. Visiten Zipol y Lo Cosmico... Chapparra [%sig%]

Come back Gregorio? Jody?

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Those are the 2 American who built those coold white houses, right. Where did they go?..Thanks Sue

Hi - Could you send me some photos? Definitely interested.... Thanks.

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Hi Silke, Normally there are quite a few tourists around, since it´s the Mexican school holidays. Hotels are pretty much fully booked, but I wouldn´t say that the place is overflowing with people................

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Gregorio found an island to hang on for a while. Jody is safe and chillin. Probably see Gregorio today or tomorrow, any message?

Hi Lisa, Nice looking website! But on the English version, the title of each page doesn't appear around the points of the sun like they do on the Spanish pages. Tougher to navigate...

Umm... Y?

"Y-NOT?"

Who are you? Just curious...Thanks

Helen your message was cut short, no dought due to the Internet cafe, we will wait to hear from you when you return to Texas, but it is a bit wet there in Dallas from all reports weve seen. Regards Bob

Has any anyone seen "HIM" ? he is dos meters around. Driving a Hippy Mooooobil with a sound system that "ROCKS!" If any one seeeeeeeees him please have him e-mail me +marbledave+ aka <unoboca@aol.com>

Planning to be in the Puerto Angel area in a few weeks and would also like to know about people doing capoeira and where...

Greetings, Any suggesstions on where to stay close to Bahia Bacaluta? Is La Cruceceta possiblity. I seek a place to stay a night,then venture out for the day and if possible the night on the beach.

Hi, I'm very interested, could you send me more details and photos?!

Thx Veronica

Hey, Are you from Holland? This may sound a little crazy but I was travelling through the Oaxaca coast during December 2003 and one night I was at a restaurant in on the beach at Mazunte, probably mid December and a girl named Jolanda from Holland sat down with a bunch of guys at a table. I am just really curious because I found your name and the date of your message really familiar. If it is not you sorry for the inconvinience.

Aaron

YO VOY A ESTAR EN ZIPOLITE DESDE EL MIERCOLES 11 DE AGOSTO ME GUSTARIA SI ALGUIEN QUIERE COMPARTIR CONMIGO MOMENTOS AGRADABLES O CON UNA AMIGA MIA ESTARE ALLI , Y SI ALGUIEN SABE EL NOMBRE DE PLAYAS NUDISTAS O EVENTOS EN ESTOS DIAS FAVOR DE AVISARME hiandrew18@hotmail.com

hello i am going to zipolite the 11 wenesday and i need find news friend i' m from puebla mi name is andres and if you can write we can meet pernality, mi mail is hiandrew18@hotmail.com

hola nans que bien que eres español yo adoro españa , bien yo estare en zipolite este jueves 11 espero que nos podamos contactar escribeme en mi correo y ve mi foto en mi perfil mi mail es hiandrew18@hotmail.comandres wrote: > hello i am going to zipolite the 11 wenesday and i need find > news friend i' m from puebla mi name is andres and if you can > write we can meet pernality, mi mail is hiandrew18@hotmail.com

Time to move on ay. So where to?

HI Veronica. If you will send me your email address I will send you the link where I have posted about 50 pictures, taken last week ( end of July) in Mazunte.Thanks. Helen

In Pasadena, Alto California on assignment for publisher.

QUE PENA PERO LA GENTE QUE SE PIERDEEN EL MAR NUNCA MUERE LO PUEDES VER EN CADA OLA , EN CADA OCASO , EN CADA AMANECER JUNTO AL MAR DONDE QUIERA QUE TE ENCUENTRES MANDANOS TU BENDICION DAISUKE ATTE RIC DESDE PTO ANGEL OAX.

Hola Chicos y chicas, que tal! Pues me da mucho gusto que el mundo se comunique y organice para disfrutar de la naturaleza del planeta. Yo soy del estado de Oaxaca pero ando por tierras lejanas. Estoy viviendo en Malasia por casi 10 anos. Ahora que leo estos comentarios, me da nostalgia al pensar en lo bello que es Zipolite, Huatulco y otras playas hermosas de Oaxaca. Si tienen algunas fotos de Zipolite, por favor haganmelas llegar para mostrarselas a mis amigos y convencerlos a que visiten Zipolite. Donde la vida es vida. Bueno, agradezco de antemano su amable comprension y apoyo. Pueden escribirme a chilaku@hotmail.com Si alguien estaria interesado visitar Malasia, no duden en contactarme y yo les asesoro en lo que pueda. Reciban un fuerte abrazo de parte de, Agusto Gutierrez chilaku@hotmail.com

have just read you lowdown on Zipo. interesting info!! I've been up to San Jose a cople of times and plan to return in a month or so. At the moment I'm teaching English in Huaraz, Peru but am about to face the usual immigration **** so am thinking of cashing in my airmiles and flying up . I would appreeciate it very much if you could get back to me and I will be happy to give you more info. re. me, ect. Gracias por adelanto....Sasha

Gays arn't they wonderful? I saw a gaggle of lisbo's on the playa : licking and sucking and things that are all cool to themselves... And I was wondering what the **** is this planet comming toooo.............CAN YOU OUT THERE SAY ANYTHING??????????????????

Hi: I'm going to belize from zipolite, I stay in zipo next 23, 24, 25 of August, I go to chiapas on August 25, if you go to chiapas, just pay a part of the gasoline...

I stay in the "brisa Marina", you can find me there and can talk about this.

Thanks and Regards Pedro Chavez

Estare en Zipo los dias 23, 24 y 25 de agosto, salgo para chiapas y luego belice, si te interesa, solo coopera con los gastos de gasolina (una parte) Estare en la posada brisa marina puedes preguntar por mi ahi, platicamos y tal vez podamos ponernos de acuerdo.

Saludos Pedro

Cuanto vale?

Avisame por favor a: grupopera@msn.com Estare por zipo del 23 al 25 de agosto, y estoy interesado en algo asi Saludos Pedro Chavez

you can pass to huautla... the best place for this Saludos PC

Hola todos, we now have our own message baord on our Contact Page. Friends of Shambhala can communicate with each other! Check it out along with other news. Our website is: http://www.cepulihtoa.com Sorry I can't link it from here. Saludos, Daniel [%sig%]

HEY DAVE, WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT SCOTTY, ANY WORD???? JEAN LA MANZANILLA

Hello Daniel, my wife and I are looking for a good place to stay in Zipolite. Could you tell me more about your hotel? August 26th through Sept. 2nd

we would like to visit our family for the winter and are looking for couples or a family or several families intetrested in renting our posada for the holidays. As a bussines or as your private villa. More info, please e-mail

Hola Irene, tenemos un cuarto con vista preciosa con vista del mar, y barato. Muy tranquillo, y con cosina y refri. cerca de Zipolite, ( yo tambien trabaje en pina-palmera .) Bueno si quieres mas informacion, manda me un mail.... Mucha suerte con tu trabajo en Pina-palmera, es un lugar muy muy bueno....

tal vez hasta pronto.....

Brigitte

NO! BUT, have been looking high and low but, he's around, big around that is. His lost daughter talked to me and gave his address.... . And girl, heard your hot now? Maybe Frankie and jonnie where lovers.....? So whats cooking up your way "I dream of jeanne"...Dave-the-wave~

Irene, Wait till you get there. You will have no problem getting a set of rooms or a house at that price because of your position in the community and the location of the Pina is inexpensive. Trust me you will have no problems. The town is NEVER fully occupied!

God Bless You for your service. You will be busy every waking moment.

We are traveling to the zipo/mazunte area for navidad/ano nuevo. Can you offer more details about your posada? My wife, infant and I appreciate it.

Scott

we're traveling to oaxaca around the 18th of December, and hoping to return to mazunte - one of our favorite places on the planet. this time round, though, we're traveling with a young baby...wondering if the place gets swamped and crazy, or is still as laid-back as i remember.

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Can anyone tell me if there is a place I can rent a board in Zipolite? I know I can go to Escondito but was wondering if anyone may have some boards of which I could rent one? My last trip there was 5 years ago and saw some surfers on the west end. Thanks for your help.

Hola Daniel, My name is Perm, I am coming down to Huatulco/Puerto Escondido, I haven't decided where I will spend most of my time yet....Could you give me more information about your place? Saludos Perm perm69@shaw.ca [%sig%] Post Edited (08-25-04 22:19)

Hola turistas, Que Tal?

La Posada Shambhala is located in Playa Zipolite at the far end of the beach (West end) wherre the hole in the rock is located. shambhala is nestled on the side of a hill and we have the best view of Zipolite beach! We are very rustic and very economical. for those who like to camp out and love nature we have what you are looiking for. Our leased out restaurant below our land called, "El Alcamista" has some of the best food in Zipolite. We do not take reservations and our rental rooms & cabins are on a first come first serve basis. But we always have a space to spend the night in hammcok or communal loft with twin bed. Our rates vary from $25.00 pesos for a hammock to private cabin with bathroom $300.00. and everything in between, Please visit our website: http://www.cepulihtoa.com for more information and lots of photos. Gracias, Daniel de Shambhala

The black henna tattoos which are being offered on the beaches and in town by vendors are not hennas. There is not a black henna and if the so called henna turns out to be black, it most likely contains a black dye containing paraphenylendiamine or PPD which can be very dangerous. When the solution is placed on the skin it has a coal black color. Hennas have more of reddish brown color. Most likely the vendors do not know of the harm it can cause someone. We gave one vendor the informatoin in Spanish and he was very receptive and asked to keep the info to show to others. The website I referred to is www.hennapage.com clicking on the section about Black Hennas. Passing this info to as many folks as possible could save a life or a life of allergic reactions. Thank you

No you can not. The locals do not want toencourage drowning.

We have a 5 room Posada,accross the beach on the main street of San Agustinillo, it has a beautiful all gated tropical garden, a patio shaded by coconut trees, a large comercial kitchen and a comunal kitchen in the small town of San Agustinillo, we are looking towards renting it for the christmas season, please e-mail at sanagustinillo@yahoo.com.

To whom it may concern I am a Caadian Citizen and recent University Graduate looking for work in the communications field in Mexico City. I will be in Mexico City next week and available for interviews. I am actually looking to start a position in January, if you could get back to me with any inofrmation you might have that would be great. Hope to hear frm you soon! Pamela Danyleko

don't know of anyplace to rent 'em in Zipo. either way, the waves aren't very conducive to board surfing. they just jack up and close out. however, if you're attached to a floating board, the chances of drowing diminish significantly. if the rip pulls you out, you just hang onto the board and paddle sideshore until you're out of it.

that said, why bother anyway. just body surf for awhile, hang out in a hammock, have a beer, boke a shmole, watch a sunset, rinse and repeat.

please no BS come ons.

Please state the type of job. What is sold, who the market is and how one gets paid.

First glance this looks like a con.

It's me again. Due to the difficulty of remembering the domain name I registered another name that will take you to our website. Hopefully you can remember it without writing it down. It is: www.shambhalavision.us Gracias, Daniel

HOLA QUE TAL, COMO ESTAN TODOS, YO SOY DE PUERTO VALLARTA JALISCO Y HE ESCUCHADO TANTO DE ESTA PLAYA EL ZIPOLITE QUE LA VERDAD ME ENCANTARIA CONOCERLA, ME GUSTARIA QUE SI ALGUNA CHICA LA CONOCE ME CUENTE MAS DE ELLA Y SI PUEDE ME ENVIE ALGUNA FOTO. Y DE PASO HACER NUEVAS AMISTADES EN EL CHAT, IGUAL Y TAL VEZ HASTA VALLAMOS JUNTOS, BUENO ESPERO RESPUESTAS, CUIDENSE, BAY.....

Hey, without thinking about it I started to read this comments and now I am dying to go to Zipo for a week, I was thinking late Sept - early Oct, can anyone tell me if that is good time to go? nice weather? nice gay crowd? No hassle just laid back attitude and some fun.

Very GOOD description!

Ahhhhh, Zipolite!

ivan http://community-2.webtv.net/ivanjay/IVANJSNAVELYHOMEPORT/

Hi- 3 of us are traveling down from San Francisco Oct 25 to Nov 4- Anyone can join us in our simple Tai Chi exercise if they would like- We are also are Shaloin students and can share a litte bit of that as well- We will most likely practice in the morning and evening. I work in deaf services and have deaf family/friends- It would be nice to connect with any deaf folks down yonder. We are driving to Oaxaca City on Nov 1st for a couple of days and may have an extra space for 1 if anyone needs a ride. I have some Pema Chodren tapes to bring down if anyone is interested- She is a wonderful Buddhist teacher/abbot that touches on all sorts of life related stuffs. We are looking just to chill out and maybe make some new friends. Daniel

I meant to write Shaolin- even though sha loins get a work out during practice- Dan Dyslexia

HI everyone. Thanks everyone for all the interest and inquiries re the vacation home (trailers) in Mazunte. PLEASE...no more ....this has sold.

hello... i am also planning on going to oaxaca in Oct. I am researching like mad to find capoeira schools or groups over there. I don't think i could bear to give it up..hopefully i'll find others to play with. Anybody have any info?? salve Jen

to draw the inherant energy of the atmosphere deep into the body through breath,and to conquere forcefullness and unyielding through gentelness and yielding become a budha and know the way natures way like the buthcher who knows the grain of meat or the fisherman who knows the ocean currents, clear the mind and react without thought, but instinctivly as one does when one drops in on a 10 foot barrel !!

rock on lovo

Scott, this is my e-mail sanagustinillo@com Tell me more about yourself and what kind of trip you would be planning. We are renting the whole posada for $250.00 us a day it has 5 rooms tree of them with 3 beds each two with two beds each, private bathrooms tree kitchens, maid and private chef service available. Please write us to our e-mail and I will send you pics. right away. Ana

$250 a night!?? In San agustinillo??

hola como estas soy de zipolite ponte en contacto yo te ayudo ok de donde eres

disculpen raza pero estoy en oregon usa y quiero el telefono de la caseta donde travaja lupey mari este es mi correo mandenme un mensaje ok esta bien aca en estos runbos y quiero el telefono de mingo mi camarada y de cali y de jaime saludos desde oregon usa de parte de anival; el camarada de los camaradas ok me despido y un salodo para tonio el primo de mingo bye raza

Dear Sean, You obviously have never seen the property. It's the entire hotel with very large private, gorgeous garden-dining area. It would be ideal for a large group.

Mazuntina

... Just go and dance, tell your friend.., 1 Mex.peso = ca. 1 Norsk kr...)

Hi I am Dirk and I live in the Netherlands I am looking for work in Mexico !!

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Hola como estas me gustaria, saber cuando fuiste a zipolite y como te fue y que tal es, favor escribeme a: j.mendoza@cgg.com.gt

Most of the time those guys on the beach dont have most of the stuff they say they do...its all bullshit, a con. "extacy, acid, hongos" -- bullshit, youll just lose your money buying crap. Grass is easy, and cheap. coke is common too, though the quality is often **** if you buy off those guys. Sometimes they can get decent opium, though its usually ****. Maybe some mushrooms in the summer, though I wouldnt count on it. anything other than grass or coke, you are almost surely buying bunk.

the tar is nice, if you know what you're buying.

Zapoteca -- I read with astonishment, pain and hilarity the thread between and you and pol, along with others. Wow, a gem with visceral, unconscious and socialogical dimensions. It reminds me of similar episodes in the human liberation community where people who have every reason to listen to their allies don't.... Anyway, thanks for your efforts, and for the Batalla references, which I will pursue

el alquimista is a restaurant wich has some cabanas very comfortables and cheap.

you can live in that place( zipolite) more than 2 weeks, with a little amount of money. el alquimista is begining the beach, asking everybody could say you its location. ok

Hola I spend in feb/march 1992 six weeks in zipolite in lupe´s palapa and had a really great time there. I found the page while surfing and thinking about going to the beach again. Now I´m curios about people I met, knows anybody something about nora johnston (mexican, she was married with davied, they got divorced a year later), nadja (german nurse), gil (canadian), muggy (german- berlin, he gave me a lift from san diego all the way down), eric (switherland, I visited him two years later with art from new york in switherland) oohh, and the great family from lupe with three kids, I forgot the names, her husband where driving taxi. how is it now in this place? bye and thanks for answering katja [%sig%]

Ahhhh politics......Someone pass me a green beer. Say hello to Esteban for me.

I am there man take me back!!!

pass it over to me..

comfortable maybe, cheap...not. Perhaps the most expensive place to stay on the beach.

HI SAM.. mi gusta su escuchar.. columbiano cafe y mas? su yo no olvidar - questo anno hay un otra camino? Mi Corazon esta siempre aktivo

Poop-chutla from Hugal the wonderful Austrian artist who frequently spends his winters down at the beach - i'am (was )= hugal the painter from austria -now computadoraist... the nome is mabey perrochutla - i'am coming next year to my friends in the UMAR - alfredo barruch + hector ++++OSSI + MIGUELITO + MARIA ++++ MIGUEL _ HAY CONTACTO FAMILAR EN TULE ADRIAN jessy_ lydia..................aprender mas siempre talvez

We're from Chicago and contemplating taking a vacation in January ( we need to escape from work & Chicago for awhile!) to Oaxaca an Zipolite in Januay, 2005. We have several questions and hope that nobody is offended by the content of any of them: *Can anyone tell us what the weather would probably be like in Januay? *Is it very crowded at that time of year? *We love the idea of clothes-free recreation on the beach and were wondering how often (if at all) locals may "approach" nude women. Is it a pain to deal with? *We were wondering if folks could suggest safe, secure & nice places to stay? *We are very open-minded and wondering if anyone has had a "by chance" threesome encounter with other vistors while chilling in Zipolite? *If say we had 2 weeks to visit the area, how many days in Oaxaca would be suggested and how many in Zipolite?

We're 40 (she), 53 (he) and would love to hear from other open-minded people that might be planning a January visit to Zipolite....

hae? who are you? david?

Hi: I just came back form Zipolote, September is as I confrim not a very good month to look for action in Zipolite. Tha place as anyone can read here is unspoiled, great to spent a unexpensive week or so; Gay scena; i didnt see nothing just georgeus male bodies form Europe doing surfing and hanging on the beach, smoking pot and as I can see, not having to much sex, but fun. Every body is your friend and it is ok.

I visited Mazunte last january and stayed at a very nice place next to the backpacker's hostel. I can't remember the name, - can anyone help me..?

If you are looking at the beach it's on the left side of the backpacker hostel (einstein).

It's a small house with around 7 rooms. There are several hammocks hanging in front, some glass and art hanging around and it's run by a friendly man from Mexico city..

I hope someone knows..?

Vilde :)

ziggy's ??

no, I think it was called something with sun or something..?

Oaxaca is an beautiful city. My brother was recently married there. About a thousand citizens joined in the march.. and well, what can i say, if you are sensual people as you sound to be, you will enjoy the colour, the smells, the art, sounds and the architecture. Every wall in Oaxaca has history, and there are these great atriums and hidden hallways.... But far from Zipolite in terms of time, not distance, the mountains add time to the journey..., 5 hrs by car, 10 by bus, but an exquisite journey through the mountains if you desire. I was in Oaxaca for 10 days and then discovered San Augustinillo near Zipolite. But returned to Oaxaca, afterwards, and then again on my return some weeks later. You will love oaxaca. get at least a week in. ( you might want to take three weeks off) because once in Zipolite, you will want to stay forever. I don't know zipoloite well. I stay in san aug now, do a lot of fishing and writing, but they are close and not dissimilar, except there is far more nudity in Zipolite . Nudity, but not sex is frowned upon on the beaches in San AUg. A small family village setting, but I do swim naked all the time and there are so many beaches and coves that nude sunning etc? is always there. You have to be respectful there, locals may be upset if you flaunt your god given gifts. In Zipolite, you will find an appreciative crowd, generally men. Which is another reason I stick to San Aug. All my Gay friends here in Canada tell me to stay away from Zipolite, or they will eat me alive....a bit of a problem since i am open minded and "worldly", but not not so inclined...

anyway best of luck. If you want to see some shots of the area, a video of the fishing and the san Aug, Huatulco beaches go to, www.exploreflyfishing.com. I am in san aug from nov. to feb.

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POSADA GENESIS Family in Zipolite renting 3 small rooms on the beach near to Playa del Amor. Spiritual seakers welcome. Fresh, homemade food, reasonable prices year round. Write for more details POSADA GENESIS Familia en Zipolite renta 3 habitaciones pequenos en la playa cerca del Playa del Amor. Buscadores espirituales bienvenidos. Comida casera, precios razonables todo el ano Escribe para mas informacion [%sig%]

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Hola, busco una casa para dos personas, amplia con; *cocina, *baño, *balcon, *amueblado, *sala, en renta con *vista al mar, *cerca de la playa, lo mas cerca posible, puede ser en Mazunte, Zipolite, la punta, san agustinillo o puerto angel. la estadía sería por 1 mes, quiero rentarla a mediados de abril del 2005, pero la busco desde ahora porque quiero algo muy bonito, el precio aprox. que pienso gastar en el alquiler es de $6500.00 pesos pero es negociable en caso de tener una casa con todos los requisitos y que el precio sea mas elevado favor de mandarme la informacion, no estoy casado con ese precio. En caso de tener una posible casa en renta favor de mandar *direccion, *telefono, *fotografia del lugar y *nombre de la persona con su mail. todos los requisitos marcados con * son necesarios para proseguir el trato. Desde Monterrey N.L un saludo y gracias por su tiempo. espero respuesta lo mas pronto posible

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I'm thinking of going to Zipolite and area in January "05 - 3 to 4 wks. Can someone from Montreal tell me what they paid for their flight? Would Huatulco airport be the best way to arrive? The prices I see include a transfer in Mexico City and and it's in the $1200 range, which seems a bit much?

and advice... thanks Jim

I found this at www.flightcentre.com Continental Airlines 3303 Toronto, 2005/01/05 06:00 Houston, 2005/01/05 08:23 Continental Airlines 2285 Houston, 2005/01/05 09:15 Huatulco, 2005/01/05 12:05 Continental Airlines 2284 Huatulco, 2005/01/31 12:35 Houston, 2005/01/31 15:22 Continental Airlines 1072 Houston, 2005/01/31 18:42 Toronto, 2005/01/31 22:54 Price Vendor Class Flight Rules CAD$ 900.00 I am sure you could get much cheaper if you just wait until that first week of January...there are always great sales then. I often see them...(I'm in Vancouver) and I get jealous that it is so cheap ...Toronto to Hualtuco...as this is the more direct way to fly it. Good luck!

I'm in Toronto, and charters are the only way to go. Sunquest or Air transit should have something in January. The going rate should be less the $700. (check out sell off sites or conquest) Yes if you can fly to Huatulco, that is the closest airport and easiest access to the Zipo area.

Hola todos Y bienvenidos a Zipolite. Every year I return to Shambhala to help my sister Gloria de Shambhala in the office (evenings Monday thru Friday) and in the afternoon I perform deep tissue Thai Massage in my studio there. Look for the Tibetan Prayer flag in October with information about my bodywork and it's wonderful healthful benefits. You can schedule a one or two hour massage in the afternoon the day before. See clipboard in office to schedule or see me in the evening at the office. For more information about my bodywork please visit my website at: www.sastun.net Hope to see you 25th of October. Namaste, Daniel de Shambhala.

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Greetings, We are a small organization that teaches natural building workshops in the US (cob, strawbale, adobe, etc...). We're planning our first "international" workshop in Zipolite this January! We'll be building a small house for a local family, working with some local folks, and staying at a beautiful retreat center (solistice-mexico). The workshop costs a bit of money, but will be well worth it. Check out our on-line flier to see why: www.housealive.org/mexicoflier.htm Hope to see you in paradise!

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Hi, i saw your post regarding zipolite, heres some answers:Oh yeah,im fernando,29,from Mexico -the weather is great in January, i was there in January 2003 and january 2004.During the day you dont really need anything on! And during night, i always wore bermuda shorts and a tshirt and no shoes, maybe at about 4am a long sleeve thirt is ok. -its nor very crowded, not too many people, enoght people so that you dont become bored, but not a crowd, during the day i would say theres about maybe 200 people along the beach and restaurants, along a mile....during the nights at the bar youll usually find maybe 20 people, unless theres a special party theres more.. -clothes free its the best part! you can go nude every part of the beach, but most people go to the Loev Beach, i was always nude, i enjoy nudism and i ve been to nudist camps in USA (california and Tx), i saw a couple having sex on the beach and no one seems to be offended by it, not me at least! hheeh, no seriously, its very open minde, you can easily have sex on the beach if u want....as for locals approaching the women, it happends, not so much at the love beach, thats more of a really easy going place, it happens more at night at the bars, they always approach you to try to sell u drugs, you say no and next day its the same, it can become obnoxius but well, thats the only bad part, but if youre alking nude with your wife you will be ok -i always stay at a place calles Lyoban, the website its www.lyoban.com i think, or www.lyoban.com.mx its a good safe place, you have to remember that is all cabins theres no big hotels there, i saw a palce called the alquemista which has separate cabins intead of rooms, it looked nice, its right in front of the area on the beach where most people swim nude...lyoban is pretty cool i have some pics i can share if u want just let me know and ill email the you can see zipolite, the nude beach and the hotel, i even have some of myself in the nude hehehhe -its funny you mention the 3somes, i was really hoping to get into one when i was tehre, man that beach makes you really horny!!! but i didnt, its very open minded but i dont think a lot of swingers go there, i meet a couple of couples from Califronia and i dont know but i had the feeling they were swingers but then i didnt see them again, im gonna go to Zipo in January again! so it would be great to get to know u guys, ive been to some swinger clubs in USA (Austin,Ft Lauderdale and Miami) and i had a lot of fun, wow, i still remember it, 3 somes are so horny, are you regular swingers or would this be a holidays speciall ocassion anyway, zipolite is a sexual place, lots of nude people, the sound of teh waves at night, beer, great sea food (food is GREAT there, and cheap, 7dlls buy you a meal that would cost u about 16dll at the USA),hammocks, etc it get you really into the mood,by the way, how did u found out about Zipolite? what dates are you planning on going? ive never been to Oaxaca but i know its a good city, if u go there you would have to take a 10 hr bus drive to zipo, and i heard its sick beacuse of so many curves on the road, i fly from mexico city to huatulco and then its 1 hr to zipolite, if u have 2 weeks and wanna go to oaxaca too, i would suggest 3 days in Oaxaca and the rest in zipo, cause really, once youre tehre you dont wanna go! last year i called work from there and requeste another 4 days that i had left because i didnt wanna leave! its a paradise, a real paradise, lots of cool people, very open minded,nobody bothers you except for the drug dealers but well, just keep saying no, of course unless you wanna buy, and then there watch out, cause sometimes they rip u off, they did to my friends.... anyway, please write back, it would be so cool to party in zipolite cause really, last year i was thinking it would be like a fantasy come true to meet a foreing couple (i love american girls!) and play a little u know....by the way, i havent been to Chicago but i have been to Detroit and Grand Rapids, i had a girl i knew there, shes american and by the way she lives in Chicago now, married.....:( but i visited her in 2001....great week i had! write back and feel free to ask me anything, by the way do you frequent swingers websites or adult websites? let me know Fernando

The problem with a charter is that's it only two weeks... I plan a longer trip.

Another update for our website we have a new domain name which is easier to remember! Bookmark this website for future reference: Http://www.shambhalavision.us That's it folks, stay tuned for more coming attractions.

Does anyone know El alquimistas contact details

disgusting videos. filming people and just put it on the internet? who the **** do they think they are???

CAUTION There have been some postings on this board and others by someone called Rooster, Rooster2, Rooster Sr or Bobi to name a few. He even talks to himself to get action on his posts, and now I am guilty of that. He,they, them are promoting and posting links to sites called bayofnavidad.com and melaque.net and possibly others. Upon a visit to this site, that seems to serve no real purpose except for cheesy self promotion of a scam, I picked up a hole load of spyware. DO NOT run the videos or click on any links to or from these sites unless your prepared to spend some time cleaning up your computor. They also have managed to latch onto what looks to be an honest restaurant owner and are using him to help promote themselves. Poncho, if you read this, please reconsider what you are doing. You have been taken advantage of and having anything to do with these people will only hurt your business. If I ever make it to Melaque I would love to try your chicken, but I sure wouldn't want to run into any of the drunken rooster gang.

We have no spyware or pop ups on our site, we are not commercial!

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Hey dude My names Mike Quigley and Iam from Canada. My bro and I are planing a trip yo Escondidos for a few months in January. I was just curious as to what its like down there. Im not talking culture, I mean as far as the landscape goes. Is there mountains, Jungles? I know the surf is good but you know what I mean. I swear its the hardest place to get info on from the net. Theres next to no pictures at all. Thats realy what Iam after. Pictures!!!

Thanks if yo can help man.

Quigley

Miguel, Go to costachica.net. Maybe what your're looking for.

im soooo ready to get out of this extremely boring and dry town - i havent seen a boy i would even consider giving myself to - imhoping there wherever there is in oaxaca i can find a club a boy and some sex - ill be coming in tomorrow - please let me know where i can find these things - yeah ? - bueno - ciao, alexis

Oops try this again...I was trying to tell you about the terrain. The bus ride from Oaxaca to Pochutla is very interesting, as it's mountainous, and deserty, but then and there's pine trees...but then when you get down to the ocean...it's all palms, and beach and you can see the mountains in the background. What I have found is that the terrain of Mexico is alot like Canada...only not as hot obviously. And instead of the thick green forest...it's thick green jungles....and really when you think of the deserts it's alot like the Keremos area in B.C., Of course our oceans are a bit different but I have heard there are places on Vancouver island that are similar. Anyways the best way to see it is to take some nice long bus rides. Enjoy

Update! All the information is correct except for the month of October. I postponed my trip till after the New Year, sorry. Instead I will be at Shambhala doing my bodywork mid-February, I promise! Om namu tam so ha........

Just got back from guiding some guys up near alaska... surprised to see that only two replies to your inquiry. whatever you decide the ENTIRE area is beautiful, and chance encounters can happen anywhere... trust me I travel a lot... and that is partly why...

in the mountains for 2 more weeks and in three weks off to San Augustinillo... Hola!

I am interested in your home near Mazunte. Please forward any photos and pricing information you may have...

I'm in Northern Vermont about 2 1/2 hours south of Montreal. Last year I flew from Boston to Villahermosa for about $350 USD. Yes it was spring not prime season and Villahermosa isn't exactly right next door to Huatulco -Zippo, BUT I did have a great stay in Palenque and San Christobal de Casas on the way. I still stayed in Zippo for 10 days in May I gues what I'm really saying is that it might be worth your time to investigate Logan Airport. Incidentally, I was gone for just over 3 weeks. Stayed the night prior to my departure at the the Day's Inn north of Boston and I arranged to leave my truck for a minimal additional charge (like $25) - free parking for 3 weeks in Boston! That saved around $250.00 USD.

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could you give me information on capoiera in zipolite as well? i will be in puerto angel for three months, starting the middle of december and would love to keep playing.

gracias, sarah eugene, or but in queretaro now

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interesting, why would a man who apparently thinks so little of Mexicans be visiting an internet posting board about the Oaxacan coast?

Genesis, at the playa del amor end of the beach has 3 very cheep, safe rooms, good home cooked food, small family, lovely location, pop in and see Lorenza and Eduardo and their 12 year old son Angel, see the rooms, one of them may be just right for you good luck and enjoy everything

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hello can you tell mw where playa del amor is? can you tell me how much ti rent these 3 rooms/ Thank you ps: do you have pictures

Hola que tal, un grupo de amigos tenemos planeado ir a Mazunte del 22 de dic al 3 de enero. Vivimos en guadalajara. Necesitamos rentar una casa con alberca, cocina, aire acondicionado y demás aditamentos para 12 personas, de preferencia en la playa. Por favor quien pueda darme informes les agradeceré, o si usted tu rentas tu casa, contáctame. Somos un grupo que quiere disfrutar y descansar al maximo.

Saludos>!

Wow, I've spent some time reading these posts about Zipolite's cause and effect, and I must say they are very entertaining. Without such diversity where would we be? Zipolite is like necessary experience for truth, light and love. Paz Y amor siempre.

Hello Luto Playa del amor is at the left side of the beach looking towards the sea. You access it by going up some stone steps at the far end of Zipolite beach and arrive above some similsr steps which take you down to one of the most beautiful spots there. The rooms at Genesis go from 70 pesos up depending on which room, how many people, and what time of the year. 2 rooms use the communal bathroom at the end of the garden and the larger room has private shower/toilet. Sorry, no pictures yet but working on it. Have a lovely time here Lore'.

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Hello Sara and Co., I am curious if I can book for sometime in early February, or early March this early on? We would need two single beds for my son and myself. And if you can estimate a price in canadian dollars one weeks stay?

thank you in advance, Hélène

I am from a small town in Tennessee. We have an authentic Mexican Restaurant that has opened up. I have recently become semi-involved with the manager of the restaurant who is Mexican. I have not become physically involved with him yet. He seems to be a wonderful man. His english is moderate as he has lived here 2 years. However, I hesitate to become physically involved with him, after I have read several articles about Mexican heterosexual men having intercourse with other men. In their culture if they are (activo) it is socially acceptable. This is a big problem for me. He is hesitant to talk about himself. I am really confused.

Elvira, jesus, what a bunch of crap. Zipo is just beautiful early june. we were there this year same time. there was not that many people and it was relaxed. weather was sometimes clouded mostly sunny but always hot. you will have plenty places to choose from regarding cabanas, hotels... at pretty good rates. i can recommend 'brissa marina", its a great place right on the beach. sea comes unbelievably close at night. not all restaurants will be open but there's still plenty of heavenly food around. gogogo

Hola Lorenza: Probablemente el mes de Junio del 2005 me vaya a Zipolite para estar de voluntaria en el centro Piña Palmera, por un mes ellos no tienen alojamiento para mi, me gustaría saber que precio podrías ofrecerme por un mes de alojamiento en tu casa, muchas gracias, espero tu respuesta.

Me lo puedes dar en dolares y peso a la vez.

Un abrazo desde España

Hola Lorezo: Que precio me haría para pasar allí el mes entero en Junio del 2005, voy a estar de voluntaria en el centro Piña Palmera, en Pochutla, lo conoces, ellos no me pueden ofrecer alojamiento por un mes y necesito un lugar barato y que se encuentre cerca del centro.

Me gustaría saber precio en pesos y dólares, gracias Un abrazo desde España

Hola Eva, Que bueno saber que vienes a Zipolite a ayudar con las tareas tan importante como son los de Pina Palmera. Que buen servicio brindas a este gente...........gracias. Como vienes por un mes completo por supuesto te podemos ofrecer un buen discuento. Te estare mandando detalles a tu email personal. Muchas gracias por tu mensaje..................recibes un gran abrazo desde aqui, con carino Lore'

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Aupa Lore: Tenemos pensado ir de vacaciones a Oaxaca proximamente mi novia y yo, tentativamente para los dias 20 de noviembre. Queremos estar unos 3 dias por las playas de oaxaca asi que me gustaria me dieras precios , opciones o informacion de sus cuartos y demas datos. Gracias.

Hello, tenemos 3 cuartos, 2 sin bano, 1 con bano. Precios desde 70 pesos por dia. Nos encuentras al lado este de la playa, al lado de Lolas. Vengan nada mas a disfrutar de lo todo que Zipolite tiene y de la casa y comida que aqui les tenemos hasta pronto Lore

Tienes fotos y costo de las habitaciones. ¿Dónde están ubicados exactamente?. Pasaré el fin de año allá y necesito más información

Hi Guys, I just saw this column, and Posada Brisa Marina is alive and kicking. In the tomzap site, beaches, Zipolite, double click on photo number 2 to see us in all our glory. Thanks for the kudos, Daniel

Estamos trabajando en lo de los fotos. Hay 3 cuartos, 2 sin bano y uno con. Precios por dia empiezan a $70 pesos. Estamos al lade este de la playa junto al edificio grande color rosa que se llama Lola's. Nosotros somos Genesis, aqui listos para darte la bienvenida. con amor Lorenza

I BUY 100 GRAMS IN ZIPOLITE THE LAST YEAR AND I SPEND ONLY 50 DOLLAR,LIKE A 500 PESOS MAS OR MENO.BUT I AM TETO!!!!!!!!

hola, soy de chile, perdona la patudes pues aca no hay playas nudista, pero me encantaria conocer alguna, ya que tu dijiste que tenias algunas fotos, me encantaria si me envías, para hacerme la idea.

saludos, te estes muy bien.

si tengo alguna respuesta a mi peticiíon , muchas gracia sino tambien.

Toronto-Huatulco 10/1/05 au 9/2/05 822+117.3 = CAD$ 939.33 via Continental www.ticketpilot.ca Bonne chance!

Hey Daniel, Gunter here live from Austin, Texas. Just fantacizing about being on the beach. Oh how nice it would be.....

Is it a fact about getting hassled if you don't do drugs? I am retired and in not so good of health. I have a live-and-let-live philosophy and want(ed) to spend some time at Zipolite among other like minded folk. Maybe I can somehow cut down on all ot those stupid medicines that I "have to" take. But I am not cut out for hassles so maybe this would be the wrong place to chill for a spell. How about Puerto Angel? Is it less uptight?

hola soy del estado de oaxaca y cualquier nena que quisiera conocer la belleza mas original y natural de zipolite me ofresco para acompañarla y mostrarle lo que la hermosa costa esmeralda, no haria ningun sacrifio en mostraselas byte estamos en contacto espero que pronto me escribas :=) pd. tengo varios amigos para que se animen a venir chicas nos la pasaremos bien

I am also looking for contact information for el alquimista. Can anyone help me? The e-mail address someone shared earlier in this thread doesn't work. Joanie

Se les comunica a todos los interesados en venir a quedarse en Posada Genesis que no manejemos sitema de reservacion y que es cuestion de venir y pedir ver que tenemos disponibles dia por dia. Los esperamos con una buena comida casera y habitaciones limpias y seguras Gracias con carino Lorenza We would like to inform everyone interested in coming to stay at Posada Genesis that we do not operate a system of reservations, but that we are here to receive you with open arms, good home-cooked food and safe, clean rooms. Thankyou with love Lorenza

Estoy buscando para rentar algo en la playa en SAn Augustinillo o Mazunte para las fechas de 25 de Dic. en adelante, soy yo mi novio (del D.F.) mis papas y hermano (de U.S.A,)- Ojala tendras algo o sabes de algo. Saludos Jessica

Hola Quiero rentar una casa en Mazunte o San Augustinillo para el 26 de Diciembre en adelante. Tambien podria interesar quedar en Alta Mira o un lugar parasido. Somos 5 personas, yo y mi pareja mis papas y hermano. Mi telefono en el D.F. es 5514 3409. Me urge saber tenemos 7 anos que vayamos ahi y estamos enemorados de su pequeno paraiso!

hi there. . . .

did anyone but my wife and i see that UFO last night flying over the western side of zipolite last night? It was about 7:30-8:00 and very difficult to see. I saw it accidentally and pointed it out to my wife. like a black flying V with tiny little lights traveling very fast and making no sound at all. i hope it comes back! your buddy, HOLA, aparte de mi esposa y yo, hay alguien quien vio aquel OMNI anoche volando por el lado oeste de la playa zipolite anoche? lo vimos como las 19:30-20:00 y fue muy dificil ver. Lo vi mas bien por accidente y lo enseñé a mi esposa, parecía como una letra 'V' volando, nergro pero con luces pequeñas, iba muy recio pero no hacía ruido. Espero que regrese.

tu buddy

marcelo que posibilidades hay de que me escribas necesito saber si tienes 3 cabañas para el 23 de dic hasta 31 del mismo te mande varios correos cuando te mande el paquete con las especies nunca me contestaste y el paquete me lo regresaron de pochutla espero poder llevartelo personalmente un saludo tu amiga susy

Heh, Didn't see that one but have seen many down there over the years. Keep your eyes open and do ask around among the locals. Get them to tell you about the time there were many ufos in the sky the night the meteorite exploded !!! Keep posting the news and try to get a photo of the next one to share with Jaime Maussan, Mexico's OVNI guru.

Hello, I was looking for an email address for Joanna in the Dan & Joanna zipolite photo I've seen on zipolite websites.

Much thanks! John [%sig%]

I'll be going to Ziptolite on dec 7th 2004 ..with 6 other people . would your rooms be available and big enough for us .. 3 are staying till the 21st and the others till the 27th Cna you email me back? with prices? Btw I' have stayed in Zipolite many times and love the area

Daniel, Don't know if you remember me I was down at your place about 3 years ago .. I'm Michael and was down there with my GF Marilyn. Any how I'm coming back this time with lots of friends ... I sent you several emails and one telephone message .. Hopefully you'll get intouch with me soon ...

A few years back A flight to houtulco was pretty cheap .about $350 CAD .. But this year prices are High and Air transit no longer flys there .. I think I was on the very last flight the last time I was in Zipo .. This year I booked a flight to Mexico city .. it's a long bus ride but worth the trip .. only 590 $ CAD

not sure what type of work you got .. But if it's in the communication field I know it .. I'm a Director of Photography in the television industry have been for 15 years .. I also edit and do web design/graphic design .. I'm looking to spend the rest of my life away from the husle and busle of the city .. Please specify what type of employment you have available

We can imagine that the rooms will still be available on the 7th of December as the 'busy' season doesn't begin until Chrismas day. As it is a group of you we can certainly negotiate you a very fair price. Just come along and ask when you arrive. Very much looking forward to meeting you then, all love Lore

Lore .. thanks .. if you could email me directions to your casa ... and maybe an overview of the location that would be fantastic .. my ffreinds are very excited about zipo .. a new experience awaits them :) .. email me vidboy98@hotmail.com

Check your mail, full directions are awaiting you ! Bless Lore

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HOLA...AMIGOS!

ESE LUGAR MARAVILLOSO QUE ES ZIPOLITE, ES MAGICO Y ENCANTADOR. VAYAN SÉ DE ANTEMANO QUE NO SE ARREPENTIRÁN. LES MANDO UN SALUDO DE SU AMIGO XAVIER MORENO

what's the deal with all the jibberish up in here? you trying to infect tomzap with some kinda virus or something?

Hello, I am looking for the email address of Joanna shown in the Dan & Joanna photo on a few Zipolite websites. Thx! Peace.

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Who killed victor,my friend from guadalajara?And his girlfriend 17 from Jalisco too?May 95' remember?Young guy gets penis chopped and stuffed down his throat?Cut neck and smashed forehead.Then floats ashore in front of cave.Then the girl floats ashore a couple days later,tied hands feet and very dead. Suspects were traveling derelict "negro jose",dead girls x boyfriend(traveling hippy singer)or local crazy man living midway down beach. Victors parents haven't been informed.Anyone remember the details.I sent Victor to Zipolite in may 95.He was killed in June.

I believe if you pass the orphanage you turn right and then the road turns left again. (as good as I can recall) You have the choice of going down this little burm on the road to the beach or you can continue south. If you head down the road with the burm to the beach (not on the beach) the property on the right is vacant with a cows head on a tree or a post. OK now continue towards the beach you have a flat unfinished building (possibly "L" shaped after this vacant land. Story goes this is the man, a crazy local who has been around for awhile and has done a whole lot more than just that couple. As well as I recall this is the direction. I visit there little anymore . I believe there is a water tower tank, unevenly built with stairs but standing, not directly but across the street. At the back of the beachfront lot. There are alot of stories of this person. I have not been there for awhile and everything may have changed.

NO shiZZ? THATS alfredo,the man who took me in and with whom I lived one year.I knew it but wasn't sure cause he told me he had been with god and really didn't know. You do know,cause I helped build the tower in 92.What to do,what to do?

they also murdered my friend danny miller...aka diver Dan..that oyster diver that came about 25 years ago with russian girl friend and a 12" surf board that stayed with santos's at el pacifico restruant.at the end of the beach...........You will be killed too if you cross the wrong people!!!!!!!!! What about coca john and baby cakes?

is Logo still hangin in Zipolite? I met him back in 2002 with my gf, Hanky panky and his significant other .. He was a great guy to hang and party with .. Was just wondering if anyone knew if he was still on the beach ?

Opps I meant to write . LOCO .. Gringo LOCO .. you'd know him he's got this kick ass Tattoo on his right leg that hanky did back in 2002

Just wondering what else I could add to my trip to make it more memerabal then the last two times I was in zipo and Oaxaca ... Three weeks in Mexico . starting out in Mexico city.. what are the Places of interest between Mexico city and Zipo? Also what other activies and places of interest can I find in and around zipo . Also thinkin about spending a few days In Escondito

Hi Michael: You can visit by the way to zipolite the city of Puebla, its a colonial village that has special architecture and it is marvelous 2 days are enough (there is a web page that offers virtual tours to the most importante religious architecture but I don´t have the address, I´ll look after it for you). After that you can go to Oaxaca City, there you can spend at least 4 days because there are a lot of archeological sites and arts and crafts markets.

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thank you Ralph .. Ok Gonna do some searches on Oaxaca City and Puebla .. any other ideas?

Go to San Cristobal Las Casas. A must I would say....it's a 12 hr bus right ...from there you can make a day trip to Agua Azul and Palenque....almost a must I would say!

I'm posting messages from our website for people staying at Shambhala, "La casa de Gloria" or needing information about other accommodations in Zipolite during La Temproada en Zipolite. Please feel free to advise or deliver a message if you know who or what these visitors need.

1st. POST: "Lily Enríquez" <liliepl@prodigy.net.mx> Add to Address Book Subject: ENVIAMOS SALUDOS Y FELICITACIONES A DAVID BAZAN To: benzaa@sbcglobal.net TE ENVIAMOS MUCHAS FECILIDADES DE TU FAMILIA QUI DESDE MONTERREY, ESPERANDO TE ENCUENTRES BIEN, SALUDOS A LA SEÑORA GLORIA Y A SUS EMPLEADOS LILIA, MARIA, ESTELA, LUIS, JORGE, BRANDON

hey dave can,t say where that bookbumming,hamaca stealing mooch john has ended up(last heard texas.),but Babycakes or Mariana or whatever johns skank was named has shown up in Oaxaca about 2 weeks ago and is now hanging out on the west side of the zocolo with the smalltime loser streetdealers.So if your missing her stop on up and give her a big hug and hello. Greetings

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Hi!

I expect to spend a week or two in Oxaca and Zipolite sometime in coming february 2005. I am searching a gay partner, based in Quebec for a join venture. I am french canadian and I do speak english and french as well. Not necessarlly a sex partner.

Christian

I read your message with interest because you seem to know this place very weel. I am a gay from Montreal and I expect to visit, first Oxaca a few days, and after spend at least 10 days in Zipolite. I am looking for an trip partner but not for sex. There will some ovethere. I am 60 in a very good shape looking 50.

Any information for a nice and secured place to sty or rent a small near the beach? I like walking along beaches and find spots for meeting persons of mutual interest.

Many thanks in advance Christian R.

There is a job posting for a female PA 18-35 for spring 2005 here: http://www.allworldhotel.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=help

Hola soy Hazzz tengo 22 años y plano ir a zipolite en diciembre del 2004, soy de veracruz y estudio en el Edo mexico en la uvm si buscas compañia contacteme pienso viajar en mi camioneta por el momento estoy solo y me encantaria conocer chavas muy abiertas y dispuestas a divertirse a lo grande va! mi fon es 0445517304445

Hey zaid Yo tuve un amigo in zipol con grande pito.Ellos cortaron sus 30 cm.y lo metieron en su garganta.Orgullosos como tu son Judas in zipol.Cuidado por el asassino del pito grandes si existe!!!!!!!Mantenga to ropa puesta para que no te reconoce!!!!

tengo una cabaña grande en la colonia roca blanca a 50 metros de la playa del lado de shambala en zipolite, creo que les gustaría, por favor aviame si es así para entrar en detalles.

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Hello Derek....just looking for your website online and came across this....First off, How are you guys doing? Hope all is well. Curious if you guys are actually moving? Well gotta go for now...you can get ahold of me at tribalbikes@sbcglobal.net. Type with you later

Was in Zipolite for 2 months this past winter, from January to March, and no sign of Gringo Loco. I missed him. I was there in 2002 too. No tattoo from Hanky Panky though. Bummer. Did you try the mota rum punch at the memorial party for Coco Loco? Great tension-tamer. Who knows if he'll turn up this winter? Gringo Loco, that is. The last time I talked to him, (in '03), he was pretty bored in Zipolite & thought he might give it a rest for a while, & as far as I know, Miguelangel (Sexo), hadn't heard from him either. Good luck though, & have a great time in Zipolite if you're headed there. Cheers!

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Anyone staying at Shambhala can get feedback from our e-mail or this TomZap post. Staying in Zipolite and would like to know what is going on at Shambhala? Please ask here and anyone staying at Shambhala can reply to you questions. Pase bien dia y disfrute la playa nudista!

HI Some quick questions on places to stay right on Zipolite beach.

1) Will it be noisy staying on the main strip? For instance, Las Brisas if its still there? 2) Is linen supplied if you get a bed? 3) Will my stuff be safe? 4) When I go swimming and leave my bag on the beach or in a restaurant, can I expect to get ripped off?

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The main strip is quite noisy because of the continuous crashing of those big Pacific waves. Most of us enjoy that, it gets addictive. The other noise problem might be somebody partying or screwing too loud in the next room. Yes, linen is provided. You should be able to leave things locked in your room but the main office can guard special items for you. I am always cautious to "hide" my small bag under my towel and try to keep an eye on it when in the water and I've never had a problem with that. Don't leave anything on the beach that you can't afford to lose. Las Brisas should be wonderful. Buena suerte

Great, thanks for the quick tips. 1) Getting from the airport to Zipolite, I'm thinking of renting a car for 24 hours, so I can get organized. Then making my way back the slow route after I drop the car off. Does this make sense, I dont feel like paying too much for a cab or dragging my stuff around on a bus, or walking very far. 2) How safe is it at night if I'm walking back on my own down the beach. Are there any lights now a days? 3) How much would a boogie board be to rent? Should I bring my own if I can?

thanks

Question: I plan to be in Zipo in January and have not been there for over 15 years. I have been reading a lot of posts and websites on the area. Has the zipo strip become a bit of a queer bar? Men and more men? I can handle it, but want to know. And may stay in Mazunte or somewhere else.

hetro man.

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Holaaaaaaa alguna chica guapa pienso ir en Diciembre y voy solo me gustaria conocer, pero no me gustaria conocer solo alguien le interesa ser mi compañia....

queerbar??? **** no. i mean gay is allright but Zipo aint about being gay man. **** that ****. just relax man.

Despite what you may read here or on other sites, Zipolite has a wonderful mix of people. It will be more developed that you remember but unless you visit during X-mas week or Easter week you will not find it overcrowded. Buena suerte

Great glad to here it is still fantastic place to hang out for all. Looking forward to it.

I usually rent a car in Huatulco as it's nice to have a vehicle while in Zipolite, if it's in the budget. A VW bug (vochito) isn't too pricey. Check Budget's web site. If you have a car,there will be days you don't use it, but lots a times to use it too -- you can go to Ecstacahuite to go snorkling when you want to, go into Puerto Angel for a meal, go to Pochutla for the ATM if you run low on pesos... Sometimes it's fun to go up to Puetro Escondido for a night or two if you have time. I prefer Zipoliti, but PE's a totally different scene and there's lots going on along Playa Zicatela. Hotel Ines is reasonably priced and usually has interesting people there. Arco Iris is a bit nicer but not too high. There are also flights between Escondido and Mexico City and maybe Oaxaca. I have kids and we usually check the boogie boards as luggage .

If you just take a taxi to the Roca Blanca end of Zipoliti and never leave, you'll still have a great time. Good food at El Alchimista, evenings only.

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hoping to get in touch with someone from Bar Caza (formerly Cabanas Yuri) or Cabanas Ziga, regarding reservations in late December.. anyone have any information??

thanks, j

Hi I have done this trip several times and there is no easy solution when it comes to travel to this area from Canada. Maybe we should be thankful as it keeps the numbers of visitors down....

You can use charters which are a nonstop to Huatulco but lack the flexibility of a regular carrier such as Air Canada. The charters arrive on Sunday and leave on a Sunday. Prices are $1200 or so Air Canada does have early daily flights out of Toronto and Montreal which arrive in Mexico around 12:30. The connections to Huatulco leave at 2:10 in the afternoon which leaves no time for delays of any kind. If you snag a seat sale you can cut your costs of the AC portion by a few hundred dollars. You can fly to Mexico city and connect to Puerto Escondido as well. It is slightly cheaper to fly to Escondido than to Huatulco and about equal distance from the airport to Zipolite as Huatulco. We did this route a few weeks ago. To be safe we gave ourselves a night over in Mexico city as our flight was not connected to the AC ticket. It turned out to be a good decision as we blew an engine on take off and had to change planes - getting to into Mexico four hours late. A taxi from PE airport to Zipo costs 600 pesos. You can go into town and negotiate slightly better price if you have time. You might save 200 pesos. If you have extra time on your trip, fly to Mexico City and then take a bus to the coast. The overnighters are clean and comfortable and cost no more than 400 pesos or there abouts. We have used overnights between Oaxaca and the coast, and slept the whole trip - no valuable beach time wasted!!

If you do not want to travel to the bus statation in Mexico catch an airport terminal bus near sala A to Puebla and connect to the coast from there. There are a lot of options. Hope this gave you some.....

Great pointers there Charlie .. I'm heading to DF tomorrow .. My adventure starts ..

what are good hang outs in Escondito ?

Jodi .. damn I helped him and Hanky polish off that Bottle before starting on some taquila .. We must of met that night ! I was the canadien with the fake titied brunette (the ex) .. Heading back with a new honey this year (tommorow actually) .. too bad about Loco I was looking forward to hangin with him .. glad to hear that Sexo is still there .. He's a great guy .. and a good fighter ;)

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HI MARCO, FOUND YOUR ADDRESS ON THE NET, I WONDER IF YOU COULD HELP ME AS I SEE YOU HAVE LIVED IN THE AREA QUITE SOME TIME. I AM LOOKING FOR SOMEWHERE TO STAY, CHEAP, CLEAN AND COMFORTABLE AROUND THE ZIPOLITE AREA. ME AND THE MISSES. WE ARE THINKING ABOUT 27TH DEC TO 2ND OF JAN. APPRECIATE ANY ADVICE OR HELP. REGARDS BRENDAN

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Mas seguro,victor murio por un assasino.No creo que fue mafia.El no era importante.Ni grande en buisness.Pienso que fue un loco que mata por nada.Victor no era agressivo.Ni molestaba a nadien.Y la chica menos. Esta playa es muy peligroso.punto.Ya ni tiene la 'mystic' que antes era tan hablado.Mystico como un prision.

If your still comin down each year,I'm still alive and well.Froggy from Van Nuys. Thanks for sending me to mexico,but your friend Al went crazy.Drop a line.

ME gustaria ir a Mazunte o zipo el 25 de diciembre y quedarme para año nuevo, hsata el 3 de enero. Voy con una buena amiga. Nos gustaria conseguir algo no muy caro y bien situado (Tal vez una caballañita).

Hello!

It's been two LONG years since I've been in your beautiful town.

We're planning to come back again in February.

Do you happen to know of any accomodations to recommend that I could arrange from here???

Thanks so much.

Beth

Many years ago a 'Hippy colony' existed.There gone.Now there's drug addicts and criminals on that beach.No mystic nothing there.Just death and a community at the mercy of a few old bastards that live there.There only nice if your buying.Typical pushers.Come to Puerto for a better time.Rocka Blanca is where you find old hippy living possible and good cheap food too.Zipolite is over.

Right on Tina! Your experience is one i've repeated a few times myself and will continue to do every year. As an artist you have the right idea and I do hope Shambhala becomes an established of an artist colony someday to share their creativity with the world community. We are one, Tohamkumrah!

Brendan If you are looking for clean, cheap, quiet and comfortable, try Lolas on the east end of the beach. The rooms are a good price and it has a decent restuarant. It is also a great place to meet people. The staff are pleasand too. Say hi to Teri and Eddie for us. Send me an email if you would like pics of the place. Rod email: info@riobravoadventures.com http://www.riobravoadventures.com

Most of you rugged French Canadians can handle a scene like Zipolite or, if quieter is your style, though Zip IS nice, go to any of the growing villages down the road further: Mazunte, San Angustinillo or if you want muy primitivo go to Playa Ventanilla and stay in a hut in the middle of nowhere! All are safe locations if you aren't stupid. They are very genuine settings, at least for the tourist but danger can be found if you look. Cheap, cheap, cheap. The most adventurous can take a hammock in a stunning location for about $3 Canadian a night! Food is better even than Oaxaca with a multitude of restaurants to chose from without glossy resort surroundings. Look for things like wood burning ovens, pies, chinese food, thai food--especially much Thai food has redundant ingredients to Mexican food! If you have to have things like air conditioning you probably won't get past Puerto Angel, which is quaint but does not have the best of the region. Enjoy. I stay at Shambala at the end of Playa Zipolite when I can go. I don't have the measly 1000 dollars to go this year for a week. Be advised: Montreal and Toronto have the only airports in Canada that have direct flights to Huatulco, a nice quiet airport, easy to leave and get a ride, for cheap.

Howdy Does Pochutla stores sell boogie boards? How much? Or how much to rent on Zipolite beach? I may bring my own but would rather not. thanks

Hey Frogman Thats heavy! Has it got that bad? I'M heading down there after many years next month. Are you suggesting go to some of the beaches down the road? (or PE obviously).

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It's hard to say.When I first arrived in 92 the place had a special feeling.Remote and free,no ties.after a solid year on the beach I was still stoked on the little beach.But then I travelled to D.F. a few years and when I came back to Zipol,it seemed really different.The people are not the same types as before.Many D.F. younger crowd,street people.Untrustworthy types all around.The place to hide for many.If your a cuter girl,danger is lurking.There are some 'watchers' who will follow you in the dark.Really be careful.My friends have been Threatened to be raped,others killed and raped.No ones going to jail so the wackers are loose. If you pay attention to who your chilling with,your fine.But for me the place lost all mystic feeling.All the mystic stories told to me were to 'recruit' me,no way.The white rock black rock story.White rock is good,safe time,on down towards augustinillo you'll find the black island rock,a little double sided beach there in front of the island is the spot where they killed my friends.Black rock=evil doings. The people there explained that to me.It's really going on in the mind of a serial killer who lives there.So I suggest to people who want to live the old zipol style,to try other beaches still virgen to buisness and crowds.Rocka Blanca north of puerto is really nice.Cabins on the beach,good food spot.Interesting rock formations,great swimming.Cheap prices.There are many great spots on the coast still available to regular peace seeking tourists.Near a town so you can come to civilization every once in a while.

Puerto for used boogie.Cheap and way better boogie.Those stores don't sell anything that works.

hi hola alo un chavo guapo que quiere visitar zipolite soy de cuba estare por enero creo quien se apunta guapo igual que yo ok. escribanme a mi mail

hi hola alo un chavo guapo que quiere visitar zipolite soy de cuba estare por enero creo quien se apunta guapo igual que yo ok. escribanme a mi mailJordan wrote: > Most of you rugged French Canadians can handle a scene like > Zipolite or, if quieter is your style, though Zip IS nice, go > to any of the growing villages down the road further: Mazunte, > San Angustinillo or if you want muy primitivo go to Playa > Ventanilla and stay in a hut in the middle of nowhere! All are > safe locations if you aren't stupid. They are very genuine > settings, at least for the tourist but danger can be found if > you look. Cheap, cheap, cheap. The most adventurous can take > a hammock in a stunning location for about $3 Canadian a night! > Food is better even than Oaxaca with a multitude of > restaurants to chose from without glossy resort surroundings. > Look for things like wood burning ovens, pies, chinese food, > thai food--especially much Thai food has redundant ingredients > to Mexican food! If you have to have things like air > conditioning you probably won't get past Puerto Angel, which is > quaint but does not have the best of the region. Enjoy. I > stay at Shambala at the end of Playa Zipolite when I can go. I > don't have the measly 1000 dollars to go this year for a week. > Be advised: Montreal and Toronto have the only airports in > Canada that have direct flights to Huatulco, a nice quiet > airport, easy to leave and get a ride, for cheap.

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Could you send me the link to your site with the posted pictures? Thanks.

Hello/hola I am going to write this message both in English and Spanish. I'm a 32 year old Italian young man (gay) who will spend some days around January 20, 2005 until probably 28 or so in Mazunte (Zipolite only one or two days), are there any gay places? but also I will be travelling around Mexico for a month, also in the Yucatan peninsula (with a girl friend of mine), could you tell me also whether there are gay places in the Yucatan area? Or in San Cristobal. Thanks. I love swimming, so I'd like to go to beaches where swimming is possible (not big waves for surfers please!). Thanks, do please write to my email address: gra18100@hotmail.com Stefano Escribo este mensaje tambien en espanyol. Soy gay y tengo 32 anyos, soy italiano, pasaré algunos dias en Mazunte a partir del dia 20 o 22 de enero 2005 hasta el dia 28 o 30, a lo mejor pasaré tb uno o dos dias en Zipolite. Hay lugares para los gays en Mazunte? Y en Zipolite? Viajaré por varias partes de Mexico (durante un mes) con una amiga mia, hay lugares gay en la peninsula de Yucatan? Y en Oxaca y San Cristobal? Muchas gracias. Me gusta mucho nadar y no quiero ir a playas con muchas olas para los surfistas... Espero recibir vuestros mensajes, me podeis escribir a mi direccion email: gra18100@hotmail.com Stefano

You can fly to Puerto Escondido, but there are fewer flights per day, buses run less frequently, and the trip is a bit longer trip. In daytime, ask the bus driver to let you off at the road to Mazunte. Take a taxi or collectivo thru Mazunte and San Augustinillo to Zipolite (about 15-20 minutes).

The closest airport to Zipolite is Huatulco, with more flights than PE. Huatulco is served mostly by Mexicana from Mexico City, at hefty prices. Magnicharters also goes there from MexCity. Continental has just added a flight from Houston, 4x a week. In most cases (not all), the best bet for keeping the cost down is to buy a ticket from your home airport all the way through to Huatulco, which cuts out some of the taxes.

If you land in Huatulco, the locals will try to convince you to take one of the large white tourist vans from the airport, which will charge 60-80 US dollars (or more, at night) to Zip. You can do it for much less. Walk out of the airport (road toward the right) and usually you will find local taxis, just outside the security gate, that will charge 30 bucks or less. It's a 4-minute walk. Altho local taxis are allowed to take people to the departure area of the airport, they are NOT allowed to pick up arriving passengers on the airport property. That's why they wait outside. Local taxis (look for red & white ones) have their hometown printed on the side. If you find a local cab whose hometown is Zipolite, or in the same direction as Zipolite (Pochutla, Puerto Angel), it can charge you less, because it will be going your way for sure, and the driver would prefer to make even a small amount than go empty. Cabs from Huatulco are home-based in the opposite direction, so they will need to charge you more to make a profit.

Cheapest way by green & white local bus: walk 300 yards to the main road (5-6 minute walk) and catch a bus to the right (west). The bus stop is on the right, where the airport entrance meets the main road. Across the street is the Pemex gas station. Buses arrive from your left (from Huatulco) every 15 minutes, bound for Pochutla. Last bus at 8pm. Price is 10 pesos, less than $1. Some very small buses go only a mile or so; just ask the bus driver: Pochutla? The final stop is the bus station in Pochutla. Cross the street and walk about 100 yards to the left (direction from which the bus arrived) to the tienda (store) marked "Electra." Zipolite taxis and collectivos (small pickup trucks with canvas roof over the back) stop there. The collectivos charge about 7 pesos to Zip. Some of these collectivos go the "long" way, via Mazunte and San Augustinillo. It's quicker to go the "short" way, via Puerto Angel. Taxis go via Puerto Angel, and it is normal for them to jam as many passengers into the cab as possible. Allow 40 minutes for the bus trip from the airpt to Pochutla, and 25-30 minutes by cab from there to Zipolite. When the collectivos stop running, after dark, taxis charge more. Then 80 pesos is standard from Pochutla to Zipolite. In a collective taxi, you can get it for 15 pesos. Daytime from Zip to Pochutla, it's 10-15 pesos. Good luck!

HI Is there a bank machine in the Huatulco Airport or in Puchutla, where you can use your bank card to get pesos. Is there a Canadian bank in town at all (Scotia Bank etc) where the charge would be less.

Are U.S American express travellers cheques easily cashed, in $20 amounts. How about in Zipolite? Can I change U.S. money in Zipolite. Thanks [%sig%]

Best rates are in airport in Mexico city.Change a few hundred at least between flights.International end of airport,a blue place was always the highest. I don't know what zipol. has now.But it obviously won't be a good deal for you.

There are money machines in many of the banks in Pochutla, getting cash is no problem, they are the best way to get money in pesos. All the money machines will give you the best exchange rate, although they may charge a couple of dollars for the use. Buena suerte

I forgot to add, travelers checks may be accepted as payment by larger restuarants, hotels, and retailers, but usually cashing them will involve a Mexican bank. This can take a loooonng time. Anything other than the money machine will involve a long wait in line. I used to bring $100 US in AM Ex T-chex but I don't bother anymore. Also, you will have traveled all the way from Canada to the Oaxacan coast, don't be a cheapskate and worry about a dollar or two for the money machine. If you try to keep track of every dollar you will ruin your trip to paradise : ) Buena suerte

Sounds like ATM's in Pochutla is the way to go.

I am flying direct to Huatulco from Toronto $489 +$241 taxes =$730 Cdn.return. $592 U.S. return.

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There is a Scotiabank in Pochutla which has an ATM. There are 3 or 4 other machines in town as well. Don't rely on changing traveller's cheques or large notes in Zipolite as most businesses won't have the cash on hand. I've never had a long wait at a bank in Pochutla but I usually get there early (8 a.m.). Good luck.

Go to Posada Teponaztli (next to Kiko) and ask for Benjamin (no English spoken). He has 2 really good boards that he sometimes rents. Be prepared to leave a deposit.

He may not have worded his comments very politically correct; however, he's absolutely right. Danny should have sweetened it up a bit, I'll grant you, but when it ocmes to "just the facts, ma'am," he's right on the money. Good luck to you ladies.

jeannie

Hi: I'm Jeannie and I'd love to move to Mexico to live and work. I've been a lawyer for seven years, but I'm so very done with that line of work now. I want to get away from the hustle and bustle and BS of what I've been doing. Whta do you have available?

jeannieibraun@msn.com

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Why advertise on zipol's page?Are you looking for dreamy fools or what?No one goes to ziplol to work.Unless your opening a buisness there?

That was some good reading!Iv'e been thinking about this stuff a while.13 years here. John Williams is a smart guy.Danny also has straight up intelligence.But John is smarter.

HI Its official I'm returning to Zipolite after 30 years. My buddy Deni and I hung out on the beach for around 6 weeks this time of year in 1974 - 1975. A memory that has never left me. I'm sure many things have changed (like the turtle museum, which was a far cry from that back then) and this web site has helped to get me prepared.

Only a month away, yes, its -15 in T.O centigrade something like 2 in Farenhiet. A little skiing, ice hockey and then the Zipolite beach. Yes!

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Hey Danny I think you have the wrong idea about mexicans, you should respect people don't matter if they're Mexicans or Europeans or Americans. Your attitude is wrong and I feel like you have some other issues not concerning "zipolite or other beautiful place populated by the wrong people" Do the world a favor and fix your head before you spread your negative vews.

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I think he remembers all the worst and forgot to write all the best.But then he might of got the worst treatment of his life.Racism towards him,thats new,eh?Handle it.Were all here to learn.These are the learning grounds.Every one is proud of something,and very well should be.But accepting others without jealousy ain't easy,for anyone.Smoke another and ponder race.Topic of topics here.Can 'they' be trusted?Can 'we' be?Racial paranoia,can't we be real friends?Possible or impossible with coastal people.What does a friendship here grow towards?Exchanging educations?Respect given but none recieved.What are respectable qualities considered to be here?Is screwing your new friends wife a respectful thing to do?Here it's THE thing to do.So why do we ask why when outsiders get pissed here,they may have many reasons to be pissed.His experiance may not have been the best.It's a rough state.

Remember, it takes all types to make a world no matter what color they are!

I'm heading to Zip/Maz. for a few days between Christmas and New Years and having a horrible time getting a reservation. Either they are booked or their email address no longer works. Anyone know if I'll have trouble finding a place to stay if I just show up?

It seems like a lot of places don't have contact info, so I'm hoping those places will have hammocks/cabanas open, but don't know.

An educated world is what we want because we're educated. Uneducated people want what they understand,dishonest,scavenging anything goes world.You find this in all countries. Race has little if nothing to do with conflicts here.I believe it's all 'basic' in home education that many people unfortunatly are lacking.I am lacking and teaching myself.Those like me who try to educate themselves more than what their homes have taught them,these are the few who will rise,up out of the poverty.Those who act like dear old dad,will turn out like dear old dad.With nothing,and many times a early death.It's a rough state.Educating these people is next to impossible.Tourism just uses the locals.Men or women.And few offer advice to local families for fear of insulting them and their ways.I always suggest things like 'send your kids to school'.Many people don't even do that.God help them.

Show up,and walk the beach.Many available cabins.The more remote end of the beach is better to stay anyway.Many nice rooms their with nice families to help watch your stuff.

How can I contact El Alquimista to make a reservation to rent a cabana thank you

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